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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 2 Sep 11:01
I am a bit surprised that there has been no mention here of the proposed AI Data Centre next to Auchtertool village. By any stretch of the imagination, the scale seems way out of proportion from an environmental sustainability perspective.
I am curious to know what Fife Council and the local community are doing to counter what, on the face of it, seems quite a problematic project. For instance, is it true that, when fully operational, the data centre could consume 20% of Scotland`s electricity?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 2 Sep 11:34
There`s a lot of discussion on Facebook. The community are primarily against it and there have been community meetings. My understanding is they need to do an EIA and they`ve stated it`ll be powered by hydro from up north.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 2 Sep 13:32
With transmission line losses would it not make sense to have the data centre near where it is consuming power or is that too simple.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 2 Sep 15:10
Quote:
parsmad68, Wed 2 Sept 13:32
With transmission line losses would it not make sense to have the data centre near where it is consuming power or is that too simple.
Local distribution networks typically have losses of 5 to 8%.
Power sent over the high power transmission network of the National Grid has a loss of about 1.7%
I would imagine location of high enery using data centres would be strategically chosen to reduce local disruption losses and as close to transmission network as possible.
They could build it close to where the power in generated and still have high local distribution losses.
But getting a good location near the transmission network with low local losses could be a better prospect.
Obviously other factors like a workforce come into the choice of location as well. So all things will be weighed up in deciding location not just power losses.
This is just my thoughts on it.
I have no idea how close the proposed data centre in Auchtertool is to the transmission network.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 2 Sep 16:13
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Post Edited (Wed 02 Sep 16:15)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 2 Sep 19:35
Suggestion is that it should be built on Mossmoran on the site that is being vacated by Exxon.
Not many jobs created when up and running and an impact assessment has only happened due to pressure from locals.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 2 Sep 20:36
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Wed 2 Sept 19:35
Suggestion is that it should be built on Mossmoran on the site that is being vacated by Exxon.
Not many jobs created when up and running and an impact assessment has only happened due to pressure from locals.
There`s a suspicion that this is how they get it through. Propose putting it somewhere people will definitely object to so that people are less likely to object when they appear to compromise and build it elsewhere. It`s basically what`s happened in Rosyth where 300 homes magically became 150 homes and it got approved.
Is the pipeline still in use at Mossmorran? I can`t imagine building a data centre on top of that is a good idea.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 2 Sep 21:33
Emptying us of our last remaining resource, water.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 2 Sep 21:55
Wasn`t that long ago we were watching Twrminator and Quantum of Solace and thinking they were all fantastical stories.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 2 Sep 22:32
Quote:
jake89, Wed 2 Sept 20:36
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Wed 2 Sept 19:35
Suggestion is that it should be built on Mossmoran on the site that is being vacated by Exxon.
Not many jobs created when up and running and an impact assessment has only happened due to pressure from locals.
There`s a suspicion that this is how they get it through. Propose putting it somewhere people will definitely object to so that people are less likely to object when they appear to compromise and build it elsewhere. It`s basically what`s happened in Rosyth where 300 homes magically became 150 homes and it got approved.
Is the pipeline still in use at Mossmorran? I can`t imagine building a data centre on top of that is a good idea.
Shell still at the Moss, would imagine pipeline still in use, they stopped T in the Park because of it!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 2 Sep 22:52
Apparently they did assess Moss as that was the preferred location initially. However, despite the size of the site there was good reasons for not picking it, with the decommissioning of the previous stuff being one of them.
It was covered on Scotcast recently. I`ll let you make your own mind up if the guy sounds trustworthy....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00309z0?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Hopefully the location picked isn`t on top of some old mines!
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 3 Sep 11:11
Quote:
ipswichpar, Wed 2 Sep 22:52
Apparently they did assess Moss as that was the preferred location initially. However, despite the size of the site there was good reasons for not picking it, with the decommissioning of the previous stuff being one of them.
It was covered on Scotcast recently. I`ll let you make your own mind up if the guy sounds trustworthy....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00309z0?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Hopefully the location picked isn`t on top of some old mines!
They certainly would be data mining then……
Ok , I’ll get my coat…..
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 15 Sep 11:43
Is there a reason not to locate a data centre on the Muir land at Rosyth? It`s unattractive for other uses due to the proximity to the sewage works and is a large area that`s been undeveloped for years.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 15 Sep 11:57
Quote:
jake89, Tue 15 Sep 11:43
Is there a reason not to locate a data centre on the Muir land at Rosyth? It`s unattractive for other uses due to the proximity to the sewage works and is a large area that`s been undeveloped for years.
Is that the land that was rented by Amazon a few years back as an overflow lorry park for peak?
Unsure why thats never been seen as an ideal services after the new bridge opened, given that the old ones became effectively pointless being so far off route.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 15 Sep 12:10
Despite all the talk about water, energy (including solar) and size of the place required, I`m sure cost is going to be a massive factor.
Are the planning documents (including assessments of other areas, or proposals to use other areas as part of the community feedback) not published online?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 15 Sep 12:13
The Muir land was the "East Tip" a long time ago, we weren`t allowed near it when we were kids.
One of our pals managed to get on it one day and came home with a handgrenade, don`t know what other nasties are entrenched there?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 15 Sep 13:18
Hahaha. Brilliant. "Look what I`ve found".
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 15 Sep 14:56
I`m meaning the land closer to the forth. They`re building business units on the land Amazon were using. That`s the bit where the oil tanks were.
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