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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 Apr 16:19
Cannot get the part 1 to work so have started a part 2
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 Apr 16:25
Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Apr 14:10
Johnson and Sunak have both been issued with FPNs by the Met for attending parties during lockdown. Can any action be taken against Johnson for lying to Parliament?
I think that misleading or misspeaking or in Boris the Braves case lying to parliament should result in a resignation
Whether he will or not remains to be seen (the usual bluff and bluster)
Sunak is already a dead man walking
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Apr 17:16
I can`t see Johnson resigning voluntarily. It`ll be up to the Tory MPs to kick him out but they`ll do whatever they think is best for their party, not for the country.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 Apr 17:44
For their jobs first wee eck then the Party then the Country :-((
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 Apr 17:51
Just seen this OMG .. What enhanced substance is this silly woman on ? :-
Junior minister Amanda Milling has tweeted her support for Boris Johnson.
"The PM won us a massive majority in 2019, the PM is the only person that got Brexit done," she says.
"The PM is the right person to lead the country and focus on getting on with the job of delivering for the British people and protecting Ukraine from the tyranny of Russia."
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 Apr 18:05
BJ-lookalike MP Michael Fabricant claims the folk at the Downing St parties were only doing what NHS staff were doing with their workmates during lockdown - having a drink to relieve the stress they were under!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 12 Apr 18:17
What a shower of arrogant, entitled and out of touch weasels.
Boris Johnson
Dominic Raab
Rishi Sunak
Jacob Rees-Mogg
Liz Truss
Priti Patel
Michael Gove
Can you list a more disliked line up ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 12 Apr 19:50
I wonder which of his Russian buddies will pay his fine for him.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 12 Apr 20:57
Not sure if Boris has any Russian buddies, but he is very popular in Ukraine.
Unlike the German President who has been told he is not welcome. Something to do with his and Merkel’s energy policies ending up funding the Russian war machine.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 12 Apr 22:17
Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 12 Apr 20:57
Not sure if Boris has any Russian buddies, but he is very popular in Ukraine.
Unlike the German President who has been told he is not welcome. Something to do with his and Merkel’s energy policies ending up funding the Russian war machine.
Whitabootery’
He is also very popular in Saudi Arabia as he allows weapons made in U.K. to blow the arms and legs off innocent women and children in Yemen.
It does not detract from the fact that never in the history of the U.K. has there been such an arrogant,law breaking, bare faced liar in the post of PM.
I take it your post is a veiled defence of the arrogant, law breaking, bare faced liar ?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 12 Apr 22:37
Quote:
Parboiled, Tue 12 Apr 20:57
Not sure if Boris has any Russian buddies, but he is very popular in Ukraine.
Lubov Chernukhin
Alexander Temerko
Evgeny Lebedev
I`m sure there`s others.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Wed 13 Apr 00:19
Does it not trouble Tory supporters that Johnson`s partying means he stuck two fingers up to those who wanted to be with their loved ones when they were dying from Covid, and that effectively he said, "ffuck you" to those who were dying and their loved ones?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 13 Apr 11:11
His weekly audience with the Queen would be interesting!
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 Apr 12:47
What sort of apology was that?
That was a, I’m sorry I got caught and I don’t think I really did anything wrong anyway
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 13 Apr 19:02
He is not sorry in the slightest…..well he is sorry he got caught…
A despicable human being.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 13 Apr 23:08
They`re not sorry till they are caught, just imagine what is still hidden!
They don`t sleep straight in bed, wouldn`t trust them to run a bath!
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 14 Apr 03:43
Been fined £50. That`ll sting him. I had thought the Law were quite courageous in fining him, but by imposing a fine which is even less than a parking ticket, the message is clear - to those who died from Covid and were prevented from having their loved ones with them - "Here`s two fingers fae the Law and Ffuck the lot o` ye`s."
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 14 Apr 08:29
According to an insider there are 3 more fines heading his way
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 14 Apr 10:05
He`ll never go. Even if he does, anyone replacing him will be just as bad or worse.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 14 Apr 12:34
Not worse. Not even the Tory party contains anyone less fit to be PM than Mr Bully Boris.
Definition:
The meaning of BULLY is a blustering, browbeating person; especially : one who is habitually cruel, insulting, or threatening to others who are weaker.`*
Rings a bell.
(*source :- https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 14 Apr 16:56
It was a £100 fine but reduced to £50 for paying quickly. I know because Grant Shapps made told us so on BBC Breakfast as if it was something to be proud of
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 14 Apr 23:46
Quote:
onandupthepars, Thu 14 Apr 12:34
Not worse. Not even the Tory party contains anyone less fit to be PM than Mr Bully Boris.
Definition:
The meaning of BULLY is a blustering, browbeating person; especially : one who is habitually cruel, insulting, or threatening to others who are weaker.`*
Rings a bell.
(*source :- https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary)
Nadine Dorries would be even worse. The ultimate "Karen" who thinks she`s never wrong.
Jacob Rees-Mogg would be less of an oaf but would probably pass a bill to bring back poor houses.
Liz Truss, Michael Gove, Priti Patel...I genuinely can`t remember there ever being such a vile group on individuals involved in the running of this country.
Right now the SNP could crash a Cal Mac ferry into Greenock Docks and still be considered a success in comparison to those idiots in Westminster.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Fri 15 Apr 08:14
Quote:
parsfan, Tue 12 Apr 22:37
Quote:
Parboiled, Tue 12 Apr 20:57
Not sure if Boris has any Russian buddies, but he is very popular in Ukraine.
Lubov Chernukhin
Alexander Temerko
Evgeny Lebedev
I`m sure there`s others.
Johnson and his tovarisch.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 17 Apr 12:32
From Aunty :-
Boris Johnson`s fine for breaching lockdown rules is the "most severe constitutional crisis involving a prime minister", a historian has said.
History of government expert Lord Hennessy told the BBC Mr Johnson had "broken the law", "misled Parliament" and "shredded the ministerial code."
Mr Johnson is the first serving PM to be sanctioned for breaking the law.
"The prime minister sealed his place in British history as the first lawbreaker to have occupied the premiership," Lord Hennessy wrote.
He said Mr Johnson had turned his position into "an adventure playground for his narcissistic vanity".
Lord Hennessy accused the prime minister of having "broken the law, misled Parliament and has in effect shredded the ministerial code" when he "should be the guardian of the code".
So why the hell is he still PM ??
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 17 Apr 13:06
Our great leaderene seen in barber shop posing for official photo wearing mask.
Then posing for lots of selfies In same shop sans mask
Polis Alba do your job!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 17 Apr 18:37
Are the Tories calling for her resignation?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 17 Apr 19:27
Question is are the snp?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 17 Apr 19:51
Not while there`s war in Ukraine. It would play into Putin`s hands. He`s already banned her from Russia.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 20 Apr 23:47
Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 17 Apr 13:06
Our great leaderene seen in barber shop posing for official photo wearing mask.
Then posing for lots of selfies In same shop sans mask
Polis Alba do your job.
So are you suggesting that forgetting to wear a mask for a minute is on a par with telling bare faced lies in WM , breaking the ministerial code and breaking the law on multiple occasions?
Thing is many of those criticising NS are the very same people who wanted her to stop the compulsory wearing of masks in public months ago, who argued against their effectiveness.
The vile woman who grassed on NS is the very same Tory councillor who made fun of NS miscarriage.
They really are utter scum the lot of them and anyone who even try’s to defend them by comparing NS to Boris is just as bad.
The opposition party leaders were all photographed recently at their manifesto launch without masks on……never heard a thing about it…….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 21 Apr 16:04
Some good points, Desperado
The Tories trying to dismiss partygate are being hugely disrespectful to the people who suffered losses during covid.
Scumbags
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Apr 19:00
Saw JRM responding to Andrew Marr.saying he missed his dad`s funeral due to restrictions but Johnson and others were off having wee parties. His response was pretty much "we should`ve left the churches open in hindsight". Completely disregards that they broke their own rules. What he`s basically admitting is the rules went too far and that`s why THEY broke them. That`s just a further slap in the face of people who dutifully followed them.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 22 Apr 11:52
The consensus seems to be that Johnson is running out of road. Tory MPs are finally acknowledging what a lot of people knew years age - that he isn`t a fit and proper person to be Prime Minister.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 4 May 20:49
From Aunty :-
UK PM Boris Johnson is to have an embankment named after him in the city of Vasylkiv, near the capital Kyiv.
The city`s mayor, Natalia Balasinovich, made the announcement on Facebook.
"Great news, friends!" she wrote.
"Our new embankment on the Stugna River ... will now have the name of a great friend of Ukraine: Prime Minister Boris Johnson."
The UK prime minister was the first among European leaders to provide full-scale military assistance to Ukraine, and "supported the aspirations of our country and our people to defeat the Russian invaders", she added.
"Thank you Boris!"
Last month the town of Fontanka, near Odesa, announced it would be naming a street after Johnson.
It came after his surprise trip to Kyiv to meet Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, when the pair took a trip around the capital together on foot.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 5 May 10:42
Obviously believe the lies he tells them, we sussed him out a while ago!🤔🤬🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 19 May 20:30
It looks like he`s landed on his feet again after the closure of the Met investigation into `partygate`. It`s funny how the emphasis is now on how many FPNs he received rather than whether he lied to the HoC about the incidence of parties, his attendance at them, the general culture, etc. That doesn`t seem to matter anymore.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 19 May 20:47
Because we allowed the narrative to change to being about a slice of cake and away from lying to parliament…
People are focusing on the actual discretion resulting in being fined by the police, and not the far greater issue
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 19 May 21:45
Sue Gray`s report may change the focus back to the ministerial code.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 19 May 22:29
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 19 May 21:45
Sue Gray`s report may change the focus back to the ministerial code.
It`ll be that redacted it will be meaningless!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 19 May 22:42
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 19 May 22:29
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 19 May 21:45
Sue Gray`s report may change the focus back to the ministerial code.
It`ll be that redacted it will be meaningless!
It`ll be Swinney that`ll be running a pen over it then.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 23 May 22:02
Will he resign now ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 24 May 09:16
Doubt it, Tories can`t lie straight in a bed!🤬
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 24 May 14:53
Does it surprise anyone to find out that the Met ran a corrupt enquiry into this?
The photos of the PM at a party for which he wasn`t fined clearly show that the Met didn`t do its job. Yet again.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 24 May 15:00
Sajid Javid`s brother in charge at the Met., what could go wrong?🤔😲
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 24 May 15:51
Hard to believe that there are still around 45% of people in Scotland happy to let these crooks run Scotland ,decide what`s good for us, decide how much pocket money we get, while deriding most of us most of the time.
Destroying our economy, overseeing exponential rises in poverty , food banks. Handing billions from our natural resources to companies that have links to the Tories instead of handing what`s ours back to the people or investing it as Norway does.
Rolling back devolution which was overwhelmingly voted for by the Scottish people...without consulting the Scottish people.
From potentially one of the richest countries in the world to within a few years a desperate, depressing backwater of Yookay. Welcome to Scotlandshire..
Utterly baffling.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 24 May 16:39
https://wingsoverscotland.com/firing-blanks/
Nothing worse than hanging around waiting on the starting gun getting fired.
At least we now know that indy2 is next year.
Glad we`ve resolved all the issues we failed to convince soft no`s last time round like currency and pensions etc.....
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 24 May 18:10
Quote:
Tenruh, Tue 24 May 16:39
https://wingsoverscotland.com/firing-blanks/
Nothing worse than hanging around waiting on the starting gun getting fired.
At least we now know that indy2 is next year.
Glad we`ve resolved all the issues we failed to convince soft no`s last time round like currency and pensions etc.....
This.
Can`t convince people without answers.
Amusingly, it`s potentially payback time in England as around 50% want independence for England. What currency will they use? 😉
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 24 May 18:15
Quote:
jake89, Tue 24 May 18:10
Quote:
Tenruh, Tue 24 May 16:39
https://wingsoverscotland.com/firing-blanks/
Nothing worse than hanging around waiting on the starting gun getting fired.
At least we now know that indy2 is next year.
Glad we`ve resolved all the issues we failed to convince soft no`s last time round like currency and pensions etc.....
This.
Can`t convince people without answers.
Amusingly, it`s potentially payback time in England as around 50% want independence for England. What currency will they use? 😉
Probably shillings and ten Bob notes
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Tue 24 May 19:38
Never got the issue with the currency…
we can use GBP if we want.
And if I’m the future the monetary policy of Bank of England doesn’t suit or policies then we change it or (preferably for me) join the EU and adopt the euro
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 24 May 19:55
Quote:
DBP, Tue 24 May 19:38
Never got the issue with the currency…
we can use GBP if we want.
And if I’m the future the monetary policy of Bank of England doesn’t suit or policies then we change it or (preferably for me) join the EU and adopt the euro
If we use GBP we won`t have control of our interest rates .
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Tue 24 May 20:18
…And I refer you to my last sentence
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 24 May 20:43
It`s pathetic the way the Tories have tried to trivialise Johnson`s behaviour over the course of `Partygate`. From outright denial, to `now is not the time`, `the public aren`t interested and knew he was a flawed character,` `let`s wait for the end of the Met inquiry/Sue Gray`s report`, etc. We even had Rees-Mogg saying the rules were too strict anyway as if some other body had imposed them on the country.
For the party of law and order which sees itself as the natural party of government they don`t seem to set much store by having a leader of integrity who doesn`t lie to parliament.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 24 May 22:43
``We even had Rees-Mogg saying the rules were too strict anyway as if some other body had imposed them on the country.``
From Rees-Mogg’s perspective this is close to the truth. The ruling class has never been very keen on democracy and their fear of universal suffrage is well documented through history. Mob rule they called it just over a century back. Parliament to them is a necessary evil but they have the fallback of the House of Lords to protect their privilege when proposed laws affect their own interests. Their guide in these matters is the monarchy which is to all intents and purposes above the law, symbolised by the PM being summoned to Buckingham Palace every week to answer to the biggest landowner in the UK.
The police, who are charged to uphold the law, are aware that confronting the privilege of the ruling class is a passport to individual career destruction. Collectively, massive funding cuts can be imposed on the service if it does not acknowledge where real power lies. Hence Johnson’s confidence in stalling the Grey inquiry, confident that the Met would issue him a token fine and no more.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 25 May 06:49
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DBP, Tue 24 May 20:18
…And I refer you to my last sentence
And it may take 5 year`s to join the EU so what do we do in the mean time let England control our economy?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 25 May 06:54
Quote:
sammer, Tue 24 May 22:43
``We even had Rees-Mogg saying the rules were too strict anyway as if some other body had imposed them on the country.``
From Rees-Mogg’s perspective this is close to the truth. The ruling class has never been very keen on democracy and their fear of universal suffrage is well documented through history. Mob rule they called it just over a century back. Parliament to them is a necessary evil but they have the fallback of the House of Lords to protect their privilege when proposed laws affect their own interests. Their guide in these matters is the monarchy which is to all intents and purposes above the law, symbolised by the PM being summoned to Buckingham Palace every week to answer to the biggest landowner in the UK.
The police, who are charged to uphold the law, are aware that confronting the privilege of the ruling class is a passport to individual career destruction. Collectively, massive funding cuts can be imposed on the service if it does not acknowledge where real power lies. Hence Johnson’s confidence in stalling the Grey inquiry, confident that the Met would issue him a token fine and no more.
You can read every move the Tories are going to make, The Grey report comes out and within the same 24 hrs there will be a big announcement to help the poor re raising costs.
Just like the Boris fine was announced during the Spring recession.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 25 May 08:57
Quote:
Tenruh, Wed 25 May 06:49
Quote:
DBP, Tue 24 May 20:18
…And I refer you to my last sentence
And it may take 5 year`s to join the EU so what do we do in the mean time let England control our economy?
If in the first 5 years we really can’t live with using the pound, then we can decide as a country to set up our own. Not sure how’s long that will take though either.
Either way I’m happy to use GBP as a transition, and then decide ourselves what we want to do.
If I’m not mistaken, after partition Ireland used GBP for years before it decided to create the punt
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 25 May 09:06
You can read every move Sturgeon is gonna make, and they’re all sideways. Or backwards like the ditched education attainment gap, the policy she asked to judged on. How about you’re crap at everything you touch hen?
Another prospectus for Indy out soon, annual event since getting stuffed eight years ago. Got to keep the gullible on board and £250k a year rolling in to the Murrell kitty.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 25 May 09:41
DBP, according to Emma Harper SNP we don’t need a currency we all use plastic.
Oh and you get a better exchange rate for your Scottish pound than English pound.
Nature abhors a vacuum according to the laws of physics, but the space between her lugs suggests otherwise
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 25 May 10:08
The Tories would love the deflection on here; classic tactic to take the heat off them.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 25 May 11:00
I suppose the beauty of a referendum is that if you genuinely believe that Scotland is unique among all other countries that it’s so unable to govern itself, then you can always vote no.
However, perhaps one benefit of gaining Indy is that if you genuinely believe the government of the day is unable to govern, then you can vote them out (unlike just now where, due to demographics, we get whatever England decides irrelevant of who or what we choose)
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 25 May 11:56
Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 25 May 09:06
You can read every move Sturgeon is gonna make, and they’re all sideways. Or backwards like the ditched education attainment gap, the policy she asked to judged on. How about you’re crap at everything you touch hen?
Another prospectus for Indy out soon, annual event since getting stuffed eight years ago. Got to keep the gullible on board and £250k a year rolling in to the Murrell kitty. <
Or keep the gullible on board by staying in the Union. Two party politics in the same tired old failing WM. Allowing a bunch of corrupt to the core Bullingdon boys to decide what`s good for us.......or doing things by ourselves, for ourselves like every other normal country in the world....what a novel idea eh ?
As long as we need answers to every question we will never be independent. How about getting answers to every question if we stay in the Union ?
Oh wait a minute we got those eight years ago and every one has been proved wrong.
Slovakia/Slovenia/Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania all became independent fairly recently. Not one of them worried about what currency they were going to use or how to set up a central bank.........they just did it....in months.
All of them are doing quite nicely.
Scotland would be no different and we have far far more natural resources than probably all of them put together.
If our government was failing us we would kick them out. In the current system being part of the union our vote is basically neutered.
Why any self respecting so called proud Scot can settle for that is beyond my comprehension.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 25 May 14:11
Double post
Post Edited (Wed 25 May 14:17)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 25 May 16:13
I suspect that a number of Scottish folk are natural Tory voters, who can`t bring themselves to vote Tory for historical reasons, but are quite happy to be in the union because they still get the Tory government they subconsciously want without having to get their hands dirty personally.
A No vote is an acceptance that Scotland will be ruled by Tories for the majority of its existence.
Having said that, our aversion to voting Tory is fairly recent, starting not long before we acquired an aversion to voting labour.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 25 May 16:37
I suspect a lot of Lib Dem voters are closet Tories.
Back in the 50s you`d see plenty Tories in Scotland. I`ve no great issue with what they stand for but the current crop of Tory MPs are despicable IMO. Completely out of touch and horrid people.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 25 May 23:23
I think a fair amount of SNP voters are closet Tories as well. They fear socialism so voting SNP is a safe bet since they are confident there will never be a vote for Independence. Status quo forever and a clear conscience.
sammer
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 26 May 00:27
I don`t think the Tories have won a majority in any election in Scotland since 1955, long before the SNP came to the fore, so I can`t see the logic to suggest many have switched to the SNP. Some of the theories on here are as crazy as the ones that appear on the Football Forum.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 26 May 07:58
Although they`ve not been elected, they still had a fair chunk of the vote. All through until the 90s they had a 25-50% vote share. SNP voters came from somewhere and didn`t magically appear overnight.
Being honest, most people vote like they`re voting for their football team. They don`t know the policies or what they stand for. They know a few names, which is why the Murdoch media put so much focus on destroying the likes of Milliband.
I can`t remember the website, but there was one there that asked you questions then indicated how much of a Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem voter you were.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 26 May 11:27
No doubt there will be some floating voters who have moved from the Tories to the SNP but I can`t imagine many, if any, true-blue Tories will have. The main casualty of the rise of the SNP has been the Labour Party who became very complacent and many of their supporters were attracted to the SNP as they have always been left-of-centre in their policies.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Thu 26 May 12:15
Quote:
jake89, Thu 26 May 07:58
Being honest, most people vote like they`re voting for their football team. They don`t know the policies or what they stand for.
I think there`s also a contingent who just want to vote for the winner and will drift with popular opinion.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 26 May 12:30
I think there’s also a contingent who don’t really care about the minor differences between parties when there are such fundamental (constitutional) questions to sort out first.
I vote SNP because I want independence and they’re the party most likely to deliver that. I also think they are doing a decent job in the interim here in Scotland and certainly a lot better than our current and previous friends in WM.
I wouldn’t vote SNP in an independent Scotland, but right now I wouldn’t give up my dream of independence because another party promises to spend a bit more on one thing and a bit less somewhere else
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 26 May 19:47
Might argue that you`re more likely to get independence voting Tory 😂
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 27 May 19:42
Johnson has now rewritten parts of the Ministerial Code although anyone found guilty of misleading Parliament is still expected to resign.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 27 May 23:43
Easy to stay on top when you write the rules to the game.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 28 May 07:47
Seriously, how long can this corruption continue?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 28 May 08:16
From the Guardian Wee Eck
How can he get away with this ??
The prime minister faced a barrage of criticism after he amended the rules on Friday to make clear that ministers will not always be expected to resign for breaching the code of conduct. Under new sanctions, they could apologise or temporarily lose their pay instead.
Johnson also blocked his independent ethics chief, Christopher Geidt, from gaining the power to launch his own investigations, and rewrote the foreword to the ministerial code, removing all references to honesty, integrity, transparency and accountability.
It comes as the PM faces an inquiry by the privileges committee into whether he misled parliament over lockdown parties in Downing Street – which could itself be a breach of the ministerial code.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 28 May 10:21
Scary stuff; that speech seemed to get very little publicity. I just saw a clip of it on the daily Politics show on BBC2. Most TV coverage on the news just shows sound-bites from the Commons rather than well-argued pieces like that one.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 May 18:57
We`re now considering returning to imperial measures, just to prove we`re different no doubt.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 29 May 19:02
It`s getting laughable now. Full on Little Englander. Not long before they`re insisting on having the national anthem played every morning and it being mandatory to stand for it.
This country is slowly but surely getting worryingly like a comedic version of 1984.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 29 May 21:27
Imperial measures rule, and always has, when it comes to ordering at the butchers counter Everything is priced in metric but who the hell asks for 454g of mince or a quarter kilo of bacon?
Post Edited (Mon 30 May 08:07)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 31 May 08:42
He`d be long gone if we had a decent political system.
He got 43% of the vote and should have got 43% of the representation, leaving 57% to tell him to sling it.
Alternatively, an elected Head of State would have had the moral authority to remove him.
Don`t, as they say, blame the player, blame the game.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 31 May 16:42
Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 May 18:57
We`re now considering returning to imperial measures, just to prove we`re different no doubt.
I`ve never used anything else wee eck
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Tue 31 May 16:52
I’ll stick with base 10 please…
our whole numerical system is based on that as well and I can divide or multiply by 10 quite easily thanks
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 1 Jun 09:00
DBP - That might be your opinion, but it comes from a position of genetic privilege.
You have to think of the inbred little Englanders. When your mum is your Dad`s cousin and your gran won the Derby, counting money on your twelve fingers or weights on your sixteen toes is simple.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 1 Jun 09:34
I think many of us already use imperial in our everyday lives. When I think about how much I weight I don`t think of kilos I think in stones and pounds. Same goes for my height, feet and inches. And when I`m driving I look at the mph gauge rather the kmph gauge.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 1 Jun 09:53
But I think that’s only because that’s the general parlance of today… we talk about a pint of milk… I don’t know if I buy a pint or not but I know it’s the small one.
I wear size 9 shoes but I don’t know what that means other than that’s the size that fits and it’s what is understood in the shops… I’d be just as comfortable asking for a size 48 or 60 or whatever if that was understood (actually if that was the length of my get in cm then I would understand what that meant and it would be relatable).
Also a lot of folk, myself inclusive, because I cycle and run will use km and kilos where you may use miles and stones. Eg Park run is 5km - I know I weigh 68kg no idea what that is in pounds or stones.
On the driving thing… I go to Ireland a lot on the border, where it switches from mph to kmph and you naturally just switch with it no problem at all
Post Edited (Wed 01 Jun 09:55)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 1 Jun 10:32
DBP, on an entirely different subject, does your passport get stamped, when in the South?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 1 Jun 10:43
Don’t need a passport to go to Ireland… it’s an agreed common travel area. Where I go anyway you wouldn’t realise you’ve crossed the border as you’d actually cross it twice walking down the high street!
My wife used to cross the border three times on her walk to primary school
Edited to say that if you take a ferry or drive from north to south then you don’t need a passport, but airlines seem to want a passport as proof of Identity. Even though it’s not required officially
Post Edited (Wed 01 Jun 10:45)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 1 Jun 14:00
Was going to drive down to County Kerry to visit wife`s relatives and have a Guinness or 3!
Good to know it doesn`t affect my 90 day Brexit allowance. 👍😎
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 1 Jun 14:06
Yeah if you’re in the north you’ll just drive down as if you were going from here to England…
you won’t need an international driving permit or anything, but you will probably need international cover on your insurance?
Found this online:
https://www.ireland.com/en-gb/help-and-advice/practical-information/brexit/
Post Edited (Wed 01 Jun 14:07)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 2 Jun 12:24
The mix of metric and imperial in this country is a joke. So I put fuel in my car, which is measured in litres but then my fuel economy is measured in miles per gallon. I go into a supermarket and buy a can of beer, which is measured in millilitres then change my mind and go to the pub where it`s measured in pints. I buy 500g of mince to go home and make quarter pounders...
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 2 Jun 21:27
I bought a pack of four pint size cans of Carlsberg Export this week. Perhaps Denmark has switched to imperial
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 6 Jun 08:22
Big vote to save Boris the Brave at 18.00 tonight
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 6 Jun 08:36
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 2 Jun 21:27
I bought a pack of four pint size cans of Carlsberg Export this week. Perhaps Denmark has switched to imperial
Brewed in Northampton 🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 6 Jun 08:54
No surprise there, my summer easy drinking thirst quenchers Bud and more recently Corona are brewed in the UK. Many other brands I suspect.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 6 Jun 10:22
This is a pretty convenient time for Johnstone to face a no confidence vote imo.
I`d much rather it was held after the two upcoming bye elections, when I imagine more Blue Wall MPs will have gained a bit of fear for the future.
If I were a Tory MP I`d kill myself, but before I did that I would have withdrawn my letter until after the bye election.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 6 Jun 10:23
https://twitter.com/Jesse_Norman/status/1533699235417403393?s=20&t=4VNS_Jk_CcADG-FjgRYmgA[\url]
Not a happy chappie.
Will be sad to see Boreus go as he would have been the best recruitment Sargent for independence
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 6 Jun 10:43
Don’t think he’ll be going anytime soon… and even if he does, what will follow won’t be much better anyway
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 6 Jun 10:57
Well that`s another year of Johnson for everyone.
The Tories won`t get rid of him because they have no one to replace him with. He gutted the party in 2019 and filled it with flag-waving simpletons. He will be on the phone to them all today with promises of promotion to the secretary of state for imperial measures and they will all jump in line.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 6 Jun 11:41
I think he will survive because when push comes to shove I don`t think enough Tories will have the gumption to get rid of him.
They will after all still be gushing at the very British festival that has been taking place.
Britnat fever will still be engulfing them and to get rid of a PM regardless of how incompetent, regardless of his behaviour and his lack of integrity/moral compass, they wont push him.....yet.
Another year of this buffoon when he will essentially be bullet proof will see the UK lurching further to the right, more draconian laws pushed through.
There is an upside to the above though and that is more and more Scots who are sitting on the constitutional fence will come off on the side of independence.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 6 Jun 11:44
Think that they`ll struggle to get rid of him, if they don`t the downward spiral will continue, general strikes and protests, which hopefully will end with their total extinction!
As was said previously, best thing for Scottish Independence!🤔🏴🏴🏴
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 6 Jun 11:55
Fellas the independence push is done for the rest of the decade. To be resumed in 2030 if conditions are favourable.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 6 Jun 12:42
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 6 Jun 11:55
Fellas the independence push is done for the rest of the decade. To be resumed in 2030 if conditions are favourable.
Don`t think so, next year we`ve got a gold standard referendum to look forward to.
To much work done to abandon it now.
What`s brought this on TOWK ?
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 6 Jun 12:54
Johnson will most likely survive the vote of no confidence but that was not enough to sustain Theresa May for long back in 2018. Margaret Thatcher comfortably saw off a leadership challenge from Michael Heseltine but resigned very soon after in 1990.
The mood seems to have shifted and not just about what is called Partygate. The UK public is being faced with a cut in living standards due to rising fuel and food prices that will require considerable sacrifice; Johnson is obviously unsuited by dint of his character to oversee this process. These shortages and the situation in Ukraine have also made the UK’s anti-EU rhetoric look outdated. Hard Brexit has had its day in the sun. The future looks like it will bring closer UK ties with the EU and a sensible resolution to the Northern Ireland question.
sammer
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 6 Jun 13:03
That “gold standard” referendum is not in the gift of Holyrood to hold.
It’s more like rusty tin can kicked down the road yet again standard
Post Edited (Mon 06 Jun 13:05)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 6 Jun 13:18
I will say this though, Sturgeon is a very savvy operator who will exploit this Tory shambles to the full. Started doing so already probably.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 6 Jun 13:21
Quote:
Parboiled, Mon 6 Jun 13:18
I will say this though, Sturgeon is a very savvy operator who will exploit this Tory shambles to the full. Started doing so already probably.
You give her more credit than I do .
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 6 Jun 14:05
Oh, and the SNP’s discipline is exceptional.
Like the Tiller Girls, whose poster adorns Buspasspar’s potting shed, never a foot out of step..
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 6 Jun 16:19
It`s thought that BJ will go for a snap election if he looses the vote!
Meanwhile BBC news find people in the North of England that love him🤔😲💩💩💩
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 6 Jun 16:19
So how is Sturgeon taking advantage? Pushing for independence?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 6 Jun 17:23
6pm on the 6th June.....666......seems apt!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 6 Jun 17:37
Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 6 Jun 14:05
Oh, and the SNP’s discipline is exceptional.
Like the Tiller Girls, whose poster adorns Buspasspar’s potting shed, never a foot out of step..
Aye the tiller girls parboiled them were the days ... Thats me 3rd from the left
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XQ17OZ4mwU
Post Edited (Mon 06 Jun 19:50)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 6 Jun 21:03
148 votes against. Not enough to remove him, but enough to tear his party apart imo
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 6 Jun 21:18
He`s finished. Tories win the next General Election.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 6 Jun 22:04
Who is going to be the next PM, O wise one?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 6 Jun 22:15
Can someone take out that absolute bell-end who just shouts loads of stuff in Parliament Square?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 6 Jun 23:05
Doesn`t matter Wee Eck. All the bad stuff will get pinned on Johnson and the slate gets wiped clean (along with a couple of ministers getting punted). Whoever takes over, and I wouldn`t bet against Truss, gets a clear run at Starmer and another term.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 6 Jun 23:23
It`ll be night of the long knives with DROSS probably first on the list!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 7 Jun 01:21
Sums up the Tory party.
A leader with no shame.
94 rebels with no balls to put in a letter of no confidence.
I’ve never before in my life hated a party so much. Full of absolute wasters
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 7 Jun 08:19
This ^^^^^^^^
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 7 Jun 12:47
It`s not just the Tories tbh. I say it a lot that I`m not an SNP fanboy, but Mairhi Black did a good job of shaming these wasters. The country is failing and they`re too busy having parties and doing dodgy deals. It said it all when Nadine Dorries told the news that ministers should think about the donors. That is scandalous! So she`s openly admitting they make decisions based on a rich few rather than represent their constituents? It`s absolutely disgusting.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 7 Jun 13:09
That`s always been the Tory philosophy. They look after the folk who are best equipped to look after themselves. Everybody else can sink or swim. I must say they`ve excelled themselves with Johnson though, someone who obviously doesn`t have the basic honesty or integrity to be Prime Minister. He`s not going to suddenly discover these qualities now.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 7 Jun 13:34
They are indeed absolute scum. Very rich powerful scum though.
It should be a no brainer.
Scotland needs to rid itself of this vermin and the only way is independence.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 9 Jun 12:37
As petrol begins to hit £2.00 a litre, remember 86p of that goes to the Government in VAT and Duty!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 9 Jun 13:22
we are paying for their furlough schemes this way
That 5p cut was really a pisstake
BTW, I thought the rate was 55%?
Post Edited (Thu 09 Jun 13:23)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 9 Jun 14:53
The Johnson Tory government has overseen the biggest splurge in spending since the Second World War and the tax take is the highest since Clement Atlee`s Labour government of the late 1940s. But that`s what we want isn`t it? High tax high spend.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 12 Jun 16:43
Interesting :-
Fuel duties are levied on purchases of petrol, diesel and a variety of other fuels. They represent a significant source of revenue for government. In 2022-23, we expect fuel duties to raise £26.2 billion. That would represent 2.7 per cent of all receipts, and is equivalent to around £930 per household and 1.0 per cent of national income.
Fuel duty is levied per unit of fuel purchased and is included in the price paid for petrol, diesel and other fuels used in vehicles or for heating. The rate depends on the type of fuel:
The headline rate on standard petrol and diesel is 52.95 pence per litre, it has been frozen since 2011-12 and it reflects a temporary 5 pence cut in 2022-23. This also applies to biodiesel and bioethanol;
VAT is applied after fuel duty, so, for example, the pump price of a litre of petrol currently reflects the pre-tax price plus 52.95p for fuel duty plus 20 per cent VAT on the pre-tax price and a further 10.59p for VAT at 20 per cent on fuel duty.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Jun 17:28
I`m surprised it`s possible to apply tax on another tax.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 12 Jun 18:16
Same here wee eck .. still trying to work it out
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 12 Jun 20:22
I suppose tax on top of another tax happens a lot but you don`t really notice it. When imported goods are sold in shops I suppose the base price (before VAT) already includes any import taxes.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 12 Jun 21:28
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Sun 12 Jun 20:22
I suppose tax on top of another tax happens a lot but you don`t really notice it. When imported goods are sold in shops I suppose the base price (before VAT) already includes any import taxes.
Yes the tax is added but a lot of people don`t realise if its over 100 years old your only required is to pay 5% VAT but ebay automatically charge 20% VAT through their shipping programme.
On top of that VAT is also added to the shipping cost.
Post Edited (Sun 12 Jun 21:31)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 19 Jun 10:47
Story been pulled from electronic versions of papers about Johnson trying to get his then mistress (now wife) a £100k job with him. All whilst his wife was battling cancer.
What-a-guy.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 19 Jun 12:03
He seems to be more popular in Ukraine than in UK.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 19 Jun 13:11
Safer in Ukraine than in UK!
It`s OK though we might get Eurovision song contest!🤮💩
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 19 Jun 17:39
Injunction out to stop the story of BJ offering Carrie a job in Foreign Office @£100K a year whilst she was his mistress.
Meanwhile his wife was undergoing cancer treatment!
A lovely man🤔🤬🥳💩
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 24 Jun 13:36
From Aunty :-
The UK`s top civil servant has admitted having an "informal conversation" about potential roles for the PM`s wife with a royal charity, after being prompted by a former Downing Street colleague.
But Simon Case said he had not recommended that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge`s Royal Foundation give Carrie Johnson a position.
There had been "no improper conduct" on his part, he added.
However, Labour said the PM had "serious questions" to answer.
In her letter asking Mr Case what had happened, the party`s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, said Boris Johnson had to address claims of "impropriety and conflict of interest".
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 29 Jun 15:50
Quote:
ipswichpar, Mon 6 Jun 22:15
Can someone take out that absolute bell-end who just shouts loads of stuff in Parliament Square?
Well Steve Bray is up in court soon, because of the new demonstration laws that came into force this week.
Strange they heard him but couldn`t hear the parties in Downing Street!🤔😎🤬
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 29 Jun 21:51
Private Eye have divulged the story of Carrie, which the times dropped.
Apparently BJ was caught having a BJ on a sofa in Westminster, from CJ when an MP walked in on them.
The said MP might have received a knighthood for his discovery, no names, no packdrill, but GW is being mentioned.😲🤮🤪🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 1 Jul 11:11
Canadian hairdresser the next scandal????
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 5 Jul 14:40
It`s pretty clear by now that he just spouts whatever is most convenient for him personally (ie what he wants the truth to be) then acts annoyed and/or confused at anyone who points out that he`s lied.
How much longer can his supporters fall for the "I`m not a liar, I`m an idiot" defence?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 5 Jul 14:48
First, deny; second, deflect; third, defer.
It`s the Tory version of the Donald Trump playbook.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 5 Jul 15:52
Sending his ministers out to lie for him now
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 5 Jul 18:21
Quote:
Buspasspar, Tue 5 Jul 15:52
Sending his ministers out to lie for him now
Plenty of them too, the bar on morals isn`t set very high in the Tory party!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 5 Jul 18:24
Rats leaving a sinking ship!!!🤔😲🤣🤣🤣
Post Edited (Tue 05 Jul 20:14)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 5 Jul 18:37
Its all kicking off now ..
Speaking to BBC political editor Chris Mason, Mr Johnson said he was "fed up with people saying things on my behalf" and wanted to set the record straight.
He said he was "aware back in 2019, of a specific allegation against Pincher that was resolved".
But in hindsight, Mr Johnson said, appointing Mr Pincher to the role of deputy chief chip in February this year "was the wrong thing to do".
"There is no place for anyone in this government who abuses power," Mr Johnson said.
He added: "I bitterly regret the decision not to... intervene."
He also did not deny jokingly referring to the MP as "Pincher by name Pincher by nature".
What we are witnessing tonight - playing out before our eyes minute by minute - is the potential collapse of the government.
Two resignations in the space of the last half hour, in the most stinging terms.
Resignation letters, from the chancellor and the health secretary, saying that they cannot, in all good conscience, continue to serve the government.
This matters because if these resignations continue it could make it very, very difficult for Boris Johnson to carry on as prime minister.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 5 Jul 19:16
`But in hindsight, Mr Johnson said, appointing Mr Pincher to the role of deputy chief chip in February this year "was the wrong thing to do"`
Captain Hindsight.
sammer
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 5 Jul 19:20
He knew it was the wrong thing to do at the time too, but he did it anyway.
Again.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 6 Jul 08:27
Look who he has appointed as his "BOLD" new Chancellor maybe he misspoke and meant BALD
The very man who lied to us all that Boris knew nothing about Pincher
This from the beeb :-
Nadhim Zahawi has been denying reports he threatened to resign from the Cabinet to secure the role of Chancellor.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Jul 09:20
I just heard that Johnson wanted to appoint Truss as Chancellor but Zahawi threatened to resign if he wasn`t appointed.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 6 Jul 09:53
Least the peasants can get a heat in his stables !🤔😲
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Wed 6 Jul 13:40
Good quote attributed to Starmer
"The sinking ships are deserting the rat".
It tickled me.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 6 Jul 14:04
I would happily see Liz Truss as chancellor just to see how bad it can get. It would be like getting a 2-year-old to perform brain surgery.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Jul 14:38
I also liked Starmer`s quip - `the Charge of the Lightweight Brigade`!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Jul 15:06
He has now lost 2 cabinet ministers, 13 ministers of state, 9 parliamentary private secretaries, a vice-chairman of the party and 2 trade envoys.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 6 Jul 15:55
And Zahawi already being implicated in second job and offshore banking accusations!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Jul 16:07
Zahawi seems to have started a running feud with ex-Labour adviser Alastair Campbell who has some dirt on him!
The number of resignations of junior ministers and PPSs is now so high there may not be sufficient candidates available to fill their posts.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 6 Jul 16:12
I`ve just watched the full debate between Starmer and Boris
Boris is saying the same things to every question for 3 days now people back in work .. £1200 in poor peoples pockets.. cutting taxes .. controlling prices
I think he is having a serious breakdown judging from what I`ve just watched
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 6 Jul 16:17
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 6 Jul 14:04
I would happily see Liz Truss as chancellor just to see how bad it can get. It would be like getting a 2-year-old to perform brain surgery.
Made me laugh aaaaaaaaaargh
The frightening reality is .. she could be the next P.M.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 6 Jul 18:31
Liz Truss as PM, God help us!
She`d whack up taxes on European cheese, make Wallace and Gromit minister for food and enforce the eating of Wensleydale cheese.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 6 Jul 19:11
Johnson`s Italian bunga bunga party came up this afternoon at committee level, met with the KGB member whilst security were stood down.
Seemingly loads of girls plus drink, what could go wrong?
Media not mentioning it!!!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Jul 19:37
Priti Patel now advising him to go apparently!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 6 Jul 19:53
Wondered where she was wee eck .. another spurned mistress ? All will be revealed when the injunction are lifted ..
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Jul 21:21
Gove sacked!!!
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 6 Jul 23:36
Strong and stable. Strong and stable.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 7 Jul 06:40
Keep hearing that Boreus got
"Get Brexit Done"
but did he actually get it done with the NI problem still on-going ?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 7 Jul 07:05
He did the classic thing in any change when it’s not going well, he shoved something over the line so he can announce it’s been implemented…
…and like any change shoved over the line, it’s normally half done, not what was promised, expected or actually required and the recipients plus those impacted by it are left dealing with the consequences
Edited to say that meanwhile the team that delivered it normally swan off to something else and no longer want to discuss it - blaming everyone but themselves
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 7 Jul 08:03
Hes a liar, always has been, always will be, he has been found out!
That`s only the things we know about, super injunctions are suppressing many more scandals.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 7 Jul 08:56
Having accepted his appointment as Chancellor, Zahawi has now written to Johnson telling him he should resign!
At the end of this Johnson will get all the flak but all the Tory MPs who voted for him in the leadership contest are complicit because they must have known he wasn`t fit to be PM. They just thought he could win an election for the Tories.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 7 Jul 09:11
Caroline Johnson has resigned as vice chair of the Conservative Party.
Jings there will soon be no one left .. JRM awfy quiet
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 7 Jul 09:13
Going, going, gone!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 7 Jul 09:14
Sorry wee eck I did not see your post when typing mine
He`s gone
Boris Johnson will resign as prime minister today, the BBC has been told.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 7 Jul 09:29
That hot line I`ve got to No 10 paid off, bpp! Who are we going to talk about now?!!!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 7 Jul 09:42
LOL .. Bloody sods law wee eck .. I`ve just paid £250,000 to play tennis with him
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 7 Jul 09:47
According to media, the plan is for Johnson to resign today (Thursday) but remain leader (and therefore PM) until the Tory Party Conference in the autumn. The problem with this scenario is that Johnson`s demise is not down simply to no longer commanding the confidence of his colleagues. A host of ministers have claimed Johnson lacks the honesty and integrity to be PM so how could they serve under him for a few more months? How could he have the authority to reappoint ministers who have been resigning over the past two days?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 7 Jul 11:48
M.P`S Lining up telling him to go Now
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 7 Jul 14:52
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 7 Jul 11:48
M.P`S Lining up telling him to go Now
Still clinging on, Moody Blues will not be happy!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 7 Jul 15:22
Oh happy day.... when Boris walked. 🙂
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 7 Jul 16:26
Wonder if his replacement will reject the clear and democratic mandate for a Scottish independence referendum…
If so, then that will be three PMs on the trot which makes it clear that we are not in a union of equals (although that’s obvious now anyway) but more of a prisoner to whoever is currently sitting in Westminster, and will be a country who effectively has no right to leave this political union of their own accord (or even ask the question).
Could you imagine if Germany had told England they weren’t allowed to hold the Brexit vote and that “now was not the time” because of <<insert reason of the day>>
PS I deliberately said England as the party that offered the Brexit vote, was not voted for by Scotland, N Ireland or Wales.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 8 Jul 18:49
Rishi Sunak has entered the race to be the next leader of the Conservative Party and prime minister. .... Eh ??
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 8 Jul 21:51
You can see why the Tories hate the BBC 🙈
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Jul 00:37
Bpp, like me you must be disappointed you didn`t get invited to join Johnson`s interim government. Every other beggar did!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 9 Jul 10:20
Getting pointed out that the word "resign" never appeared in his speech!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 9 Jul 17:16
Correct wee eck .. I only needed one more to resign then I was in :-))
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 11 Jul 09:08
The Metro hinting at another Boris sex for jobs scandal
Apparently he tried to get a volunteer he was having a relationship with a job in the City Hall while he was Mayor
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 11 Jul 13:38
The next challenge for his hangers-on is to get included in his resignation honours list.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Mon 11 Jul 14:40
While his hangers-on are being mentioned, I wonder if anyone has any views on Alister Jack. From the page on the government website:
The Secretary of State for Scotland is the UK Government Cabinet Minister representing Scotland. They act as the custodian of the Scottish devolution settlement, represent Scottish interests within the UK Government, and advocate for the UK Government’s policies in Scotland.
I haven`t seen any evidence of that whatsoever, though I appreciate that this role has been effectively downgraded since devolution. I think I`ve only ever heard him on GMS once, and just about every time there`s some UK governemnt issue to explain, he`s asked for an interview but is unavailable. How is that consistent with the need to `advocate for the UK Government`s policies in Scotland`?
From my viewpoint, he appears to have no role other than to be a Johnson ultra-loyalist, right up to being one of those standing alongside while the worst Prime Minister of my lifetime did his semi-resignation speech. I found Mundell to be quite odious but Jack is on a different level. A pathetic representative of Scotland in the UK government.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 11 Jul 20:30
Quote:
Socks, Mon 11 Jul 14:40
While his hangers-on are being mentioned, I wonder if anyone has any views on Alister Jack. From the page on the government website:
The Secretary of State for Scotland is the UK Government Cabinet Minister representing Scotland. They act as the custodian of the Scottish devolution settlement, represent Scottish interests within the UK Government, and advocate for the UK Government’s policies in Scotland.
I haven`t seen any evidence of that whatsoever, though I appreciate that this role has been effectively downgraded since devolution. I think I`ve only ever heard him on GMS once, and just about every time there`s some UK governemnt issue to explain, he`s asked for an interview but is unavailable. How is that consistent with the need to `advocate for the UK Government`s policies in Scotland`?
From my viewpoint, he appears to have no role other than to be a Johnson ultra-loyalist, right up to being one of those standing alongside while the worst Prime Minister of my lifetime did his semi-resignation speech. I found Mundell to be quite odious but Jack is on a different level. A pathetic representative of Scotland in the UK government.
Alister Jack does nothing to represent Scotlands interests. It seems to me everything he does is actually against Scotlands best interests.
Add to that, that he comes across as smug brown noser
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 16 Jul 18:31
The latest rumour is that Johnson is going to elevate a couple of Tory MPs to the Lords before he goes, thus triggering a couple of potentially tricky by-elections. Nadine Dorries could be one of them!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 16 Jul 20:59
He`s compiling his "leaving honours list" supposedly 38 new Tory peers.
Most defeats of Tory policies in the Lords were on a majority of less than 50 votes.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sun 17 Jul 13:33
After my wee moan about Alister Jack last week, I see he`s written the following fawning article about Johnson:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/next-pm-must-build-on-boris-johnsons-impressive-record-in-scotland-alister-jack-3770184
I don`t think there will be much agreement in Scotland with that! Rather than being remembered for `formidable achievements`, I think it`s more likely Johnson will be barely remembered at all, except perhaps as a blustering ****wit who somehow managed to become Prime Minister.
Alister Jack really irritates me for some reason, though hopefully he`ll be out of minesterial office as soon as Johnson is.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 17 Jul 18:02
Then we`ll get Andy Bowie who`ll be worse than Jack as he`s a media whore
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 17 Jul 18:54
I heard one political commentator this morning who reckoned Jack would remain as Scottish secretary if Liz Truss became PM.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 17 Jul 21:48
How any self respecting Scot is happy to have this circus, this clown show, full of pompous idiots decide our future for us I will never know.
They have no intention of doing the best they can for the majority of people in England never mind Scotland.
They really do believe that we work for them.
A new PM will change nothing.
U.K. is on a path to rack and ruin.
Will Scotland jump in time though?
We better hope so, or it’s Scotlandshire here we come.
There are a good few Scots who will actually be happy to see that…..giving your country up to be ruled over by expensively educated right wing xenophobic British Nationalists, rather than charting your own path.
There must be a name for people who would sell their country down the river….🤔
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 18 Jul 11:59
Liz Truss making out she had a hard time at school on Leeds due to poor funding is hilarious. It was the Tories in power the whole time she was there and ex-classmates have pointed out the excellent facilities the school had 🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 19 Jul 12:03
So he survived a vote of no confidence last night and we are stuck with him till September, no Tories voted against the motion!
Taxpayers will finance his parties, his farewell tour, meanwhile his second presidential jet lies at Gatwick, half a million a month to lease on a 5 year contract.
What damage and spending will he be mounting up till he goes?
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Tue 19 Jul 20:00
Socks asked for opinions on Alister Jack.
It’s difficult to have many as he has not made much of an impression – he seems to owe his role largely to being an ultra-loyalist who is content to suppress any contrary opinions in the name of collective responsibility and to not being “Fluffy” Mundell (is it OK to give Tories nicknames?). As has been pointed out, his role is much reduced as the Scottish Government has (or should have) responsibility for much of domestic policy. Perhaps he offers more behind the scenes?
Publicly he seems to parrot the lines that Boris Johnson may be a sociopath but at least he got the “Big calls” right which seem to be 1) getting Brexit done 2) handling the pandemic so well and 3) offering support on Ukraine.
Of these three, perhaps there is more of an argument in favour of the third but to an extent that was made easier by having the relative fleetness of foot of not being in the EU any more.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 19 Jul 20:36
Was his nickname "Fluffy" Mundell? I thought it was "Fluffer" Mundell
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 25 Nov 14:18
There`s a new book out about Johnson`s demise by FT journalist Sebastian Payne.
Payne reports that Johnson tried to form a Cabinet from loyalists in a last bid to stay in power:-
When [Simon] Clarke refused to take levelling up secretary, other names were mooted in the study, including one close Johnson ally who had served him loyally as a minister several times. After hearing the name of the minister being seriously suggested, Johnson told the room, ‘It’s not fair on the nation to give them a D-list government.’
The Guardian comments -
`Sadly, Payne has not been able to establish whether or not this was Johnson’s way of conceding that his previous administrations were just C-list.`
There are so many candidates who could have been the potential minister Johnson regarded as the last straw.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 12 Jan 15:47
I read this morning that staff have been shredding document evidence before the hearing L.A. Also shagging at some of the parties .. If true he is finished at Westminster
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 12 Jan 18:23
Typical Civil Service party then?🤔😲🙈🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 13 Jan 15:58
This from the Beeb :-
Mr Johnson`s financial interests also show that in December and January he and his family received use of accommodation from Lady Carole Bamford worth an estimated £20,000.
Jings .. he`s no living in Duloch is he :-))
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 16 Jan 21:39
Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson has signed a deal to write a book about his turbulent time as prime minister, described as a "memoir like no other".
Publisher HarperCollins has bought the rights to the memoir, which is yet to be titled.
How about Lying Useless Babbling Bumbling Oaf
Any other suggestions ?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 17 Jan 19:29
Quote:
Buspasspar, Mon 16 Jan 21:39
Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson has signed a deal to write a book about his turbulent time as prime minister, described as a "memoir like no other".
Publisher HarperCollins has bought the rights to the memoir, which is yet to be titled.
How about Lying Useless Babbling Bumbling Oaf
Any other suggestions ?
Lubbo? More apt than Boris. 😃
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 17 Jan 19:42
Like That GG :-))
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 20 Jan 17:56
Thanks for sharing LA .. Nothing shocks me anymore where the Tory`s are concerned .. or Boris the Brave :-(
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 20 Jan 20:29
Labour is calling for Rishi Sunak to sack Nadhim Zahawi as Conservative Party chairman after reports he paid a penalty to HMRC as part of a multi-million pound tax settlement.
The ex-chancellor has been under pressure over claims he tried to avoid tax and has now had to pay it back.
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner said Mr Zahawi`s position was "untenable" and the prime minister must sack him.
The BBC has approached Mr Zahawi for comment on the latest allegations.
Ms Rayner said: "Nadhim Zahawi`s story doesn`t add up.
"The position of the man who was until recently in charge of the UK`s tax system and who this prime minister appointed Conservative Party Chair is now untenable.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 20 Jan 20:41
Remember when folk got the jail for tax evasion? Why did we stop doing that?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 20 Jan 22:59
Apparently there`s going to be over 100 names on Johnson`s resignation Honours List.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 21 Jan 08:51
Quote:
Wotsit, Fri 20 Jan 20:41
Remember when folk got the jail for tax evasion? Why did we stop doing that?
We didn`t... But that law generally only applies to the plebs along with other laws like fraudulently claiming things
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 26 Jan 13:51
MPs have been told that the government expects to pay up to £222,000 in legal fees to help Boris Johnson defend himself against claims he misled parliament over Partygate.
The law firm Peters and Peters was awarded a four-month contract worth £129,700 in August 2021 to provide Johnson with advice during the investigation into his conduct by the House of Commons Privileges Committee.
That amount has since been increased to £222,000, the Cabinet Office’s permanent secretary Alex Chisholm said at a meeting of the Commons Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee. He said the increase was due to the length of the Privileges Committee inquiry, and could rise again depending on how long the inquiry takes. He said:
`At the moment we have estimated that it would be up to a figure of £200,000, which has been published, £222,000 to be precise. We hope and expect that will be a maximum figure but obviously we don’t want to anticipate and certainly could not regulate the conduct of the committee, which is entirely up to them.`
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 27 Jan 10:08
He must spend money like it`s going out of fashion. With a loan guaranteed by a distant cousin, lecture fees, book advances plus his parliamentary salary etc can he still not afford to buy a place to stay?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 27 Jan 11:18
The former culture secretary, Nadine Dorries, will host a new Friday night talkshow on TalkTV. The first instalment of her programme, which starts on 3 February, will feature an interview with former prime minister Boris Johnson, of which Dorries has been a long-time supporter.
TalkTV described her upcoming show as “an irreverent look at the week’s news and a lively mix of topical chat with guests from the world of politics, culture and sport”.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 27 Jan 15:48
Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 27 Jan 10:08
He must spend money like it`s going out of fashion. With a loan guaranteed by a distant cousin, lecture fees, book advances plus his parliamentary salary etc can he still not afford to buy a place to stay?
Have you added Jennifer to the expenses list wee eck :-))
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 27 Jan 16:21
I forgot about her, Bpp, and we don`t know how many dependants he pays alimony for...
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 31 Jan 06:02
Now the Blustering Buffoon is telling us Putin threatened Britain last year. The Kremlin has called him a liar.
Guilty as charged there, but who to believe? Rather tricky when both parties are habitual liars and yet, one of them must be telling the truth.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 31 Jan 08:20
The way I read it GG was it was a threat to Boris .. That Putin could take him out with one missile ..
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 31 Jan 19:20
Liars cheats hoors and comic singers
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 1 Feb 17:26
Actually saw a piece on DW about that GG. The recently ex-American Ambassador said that he wouldn`t be surprised at all if Putin had said that to BJ - apparently he had many negotiations where the Russians would suddenly threaten Nuclear War if they didn`t get their way and this is an old tactic that goes back to the Soviet days. Will see if I can find the link!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 2 Feb 09:50
Says it all really LA
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 2 Feb 13:44
Folk are declined legal aid, yet he gets money thrown at him!
Due to the visits and photoshots with various politicians around the world, people are asking who is financing the jaunts, is he the Foreign Secretary or even the PM?
Meanwhile his constituents haven`t seen him for months!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 20 Feb 12:39
Nice to see that he has managed to buy a house, meanwhile the taxpayers are paying for his defence in the Partygate shenanigans!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 23 Feb 16:43
Legal costs have increased, and yeah the taxpayers are still financing the defence!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 23 Feb 17:06
Why all the fuss about the NI Protocol? I`m pretty sure Johnson told us `Brexit is Done`!
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 23 Feb 17:11
And the majority of those returned to what should be stormont are in favour of the protocol...
It appears the DUP are the main of protagonists, but in reality is just an excuse not to join a government where they (even as a perception) play second fiddle to sinn fhèin
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 24 Feb 13:38
DUP are seemingly wanting the border re established, though last time I went from North to South I never noticed it.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 3 Mar 16:09
Is this the same as lying ? :-
Boris Johnson may have misled Parliament over Partygate on four occasions, MPs investigating his conduct say.
Evidence strongly suggests breaches of coronavirus rules would have been "obvious" to Mr Johnson, the privileges committee said in an update.
The former PM was among those fined by police for breaking lockdown rules at gatherings in government buildings.
He said there was no evidence he "knowingly" misled Parliament.
Mr Johnson is due to give evidence to the MPs later this month.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 3 Mar 17:07
I find it odd that this `interim` report is being issued before the committee have heard evidence from Johnson himself but then the customs and processes followed at Westminster seem to defy logic anyway.
Now Johnson `groupies` like Dorries and Rees-Mogg are claiming the committee`s report is discredited because it is based on the evidence of the Sue Gray report (accepted by Johnson at the time) and must have been politically biased as she has now accepted a job as Keir Starmer`s Chief of Staff.
The committee point out that their report is mainly based on independent examination of messages and statements of involved parties. In any case Sue Gray prepared this report over a year ago when she was a civil servant, required to act with impartiality. Should her report be totally disregarded just because, a year later, she accepts a job with an opposition party?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 3 Mar 18:42
Good post wee eck
Just another indication of how corrupt and desperate the cabinet of Boris the Brave really are
Send in the clowns
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 4 Mar 08:01
Humza is being caught out lying every day, ideal replacement for “cannae recall, no notes exist, not to my knowledge” Elsie!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 4 Mar 08:29
Usual half boiled comment!
All they have to do is look at parliament TV to see him lying, basically about everything.
Hoyle should have sorted him out ages ago!😡
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 4 Mar 08:40
Sue Gray was impartial? Suddenly morphed into a Labour fan after she compiled her report?
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Sat 4 Mar 11:06
Quote:
Parboiled, Sat 4 Mar 08:40
Sue Gray was impartial? Suddenly morphed into a Labour fan after she compiled her report?
Unlesss she photoshopped Boris into all those parties he was at, you are, as usual, talking absolute nonsense
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 4 Mar 11:19
LochgellyAlbert, I wish we had Hoyle up here as Presiding Officer instead of that drip we’ve got now.
He wouldn’t stand for Elsie droning on and on - he gets more questions in on PMQ’s than she manages in twice the time.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 4 Mar 11:56
That`s because at WM the PM makes no attempt to answer the questions and the Speaker let`s him away with it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 4 Mar 12:01
Westminster is the biggest farce going. It`s like watching chimpanzees with all the constant shouting. Then there`s all the outdated processes from the 1800s. Pathetic parliament in a manky old building.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 4 Mar 13:19
Quote:
Parboiled, Sat 4 Mar 11:19
LochgellyAlbert, I wish we had Hoyle up here as Presiding Officer instead of that drip we’ve got now.
He wouldn’t stand for Elsie droning on and on - he gets more questions in on PMQ’s than she manages in twice the time.
Pray tell me, who`s Elsie?🤔
Hoyle????? You ever watched PM's questions?
Never get a straight answer!!!😡
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 5 Mar 19:37
"Should her report be totally disregarded just because, a year later, she accepts a job with an opposition party?"
Watchdog looking at the timing of her recruitment wee eck
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 5 Mar 20:10
Isn`t that normal procedure?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 20 Mar 17:36
Latest rumour is that Sue Gray was speaking to Starmer while still dealing with Partygate.
Anyway, we`ll probably need a third thread for Johnson from Wednesday when he faces the Privilege Committee of the HoC on Wednesday.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 20 Mar 19:08
Hanging by 3 threads .. sounds good tome wee eck :-)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 22 Mar 09:25
Its the Boris the Brave show at 2pm Today
Get the big bucket of popcorn in .. It should be quite entertaining
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 22 Mar 11:17
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 22 Mar 09:25
Its the Boris the Brave show at 2pm Today
Get the big bucket of popcorn in .. It should be quite entertaining
On a committee with a Tory majority?
No chance!😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 22 Mar 16:20
It`s excruciating....answer the question man!😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 22 Mar 16:38
I`m still rolling about laughing when I heard him swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 22 Mar 16:49
Albert Costa (Tory MP!) getting under Johnson`s skin!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 22 Mar 17:12
Tory MPs in general are giving him the hardest time. Typical weasel answers from Johnson when asked about the legitimacy of the committee. Sounds like a Trumpian defence if the decision goes against him.
ETA - Glad to see Jonathan Freedland of the Guardian agrees with me. That lad could go far!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 22 Mar 19:13
Do we taxpayers feel we got our money`s worth with Johnson`s legal defence team?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 22 Mar 22:43
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 22 Mar 19:13
Do we taxpayers feel we got our money`s worth with Johnson`s legal defence team?
Don’t. Why are taxpayers having to pay for that fat b’stard’s defence ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 22 Mar 23:14
That`s the way it works, Raymie. It`s not for us to question it.
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Topic Originator: mikeod
Date: Thu 23 Mar 09:42
A display of overriding, arrogant entitlement by an intrinsic liar!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 23 Mar 09:49
It would be interesting to hear an analysis of his body language by an expert in that field.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 23 Mar 13:03
I heard him likened to a pufferfish this morning, wee eck.
Won’t help us decide if he was lying or not, but accurate nonetheless
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 23 Mar 13:32
Bit like a duck, nothing happening on the surface, but legs going like f**k!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 23 Mar 15:25
Topic Originator: mikeod
Date: Thu 23 Mar 09:42
A display of overriding, arrogant entitlement by an intrinsic liar!
Spot on mikeod :-
Sacked for lying in 1998
Sacked for lying in 2004
Sacked for lying in 2022
Still lying to this day or as it is now known as misspoke or mislead .. its lying
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 23 Mar 16:07
His lawyer (paid for by us) sitting behind him Allegedly is getting paid £250,000 in fees.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 24 Mar 13:31
Not one member of the audience at last night`s Question Time on BBC thought he had told the truth. This was at Newcastle under Lyme which returned a Tory MP at the last GE.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 24 Mar 16:32
Just watched wee eck .. there cant be many who actually think he told the truth .. under oath as well .. custodial sentence ? .. Naw he will be suspended for 10 days .. then he can continue to lie .. entertain all his sycophant following and make a lot of money .. addendum .. I thought Cummings and Sunak were supposed to give evidence as well ??
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 24 Mar 16:52
Seems the ABBA party held on November 2020 is not included as it`s covered by the Official Secrets Act, strange?😲
Wonder who the special guest was?🤔🫅
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 24 Mar 17:09
The MET yet again being criticised for the investigation into the Abba party LA
Cummings noted as saying dozens of people could hear it down in the press office as the music was so loud and it was never properly investigated
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 10 May 19:26
From Aunty :-
Allegedly Boris the Brave has earned nearly £5 million since being sacked for lying for the third time
Taxpayers are being billed up to £245,000 to cover the cost of Boris Johnson`s Partygate inquiry lawyers.
The former PM is being investigated by MPs over whether he misled them over lockdown parties in Downing Street.
He is facing growing calls to cover the legal costs himself, as the bill for his defence team increased this week for a second time.
The BBC has learned the Treasury did not sign off the decision to use public money to pay the bill.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 28 May 15:32
Now hiring new lawyers with a £1 million price tag, that he is trying to get the taxpayers to fork out for!😡
UK government also trying to withhold information from the Covid enquiry, what have they got to hide?🤔🤥😡
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 12 Jun 18:02
On a lighter note .. His hairdresser got into the honours list :-))
Boris Johnson is loyal to those who are loyal to him. And his resignation honours list underlines this - until the ink runs out.
Almost all of the 45 names know him personally. Many worked for him either at No 10 or when he was London mayor.
Even his current spokesman has been transformed into a legislator, with a seat in the House of Lords.
And for anyone who assumed that meritocracy might play a part in the honours system, a long-standing parliamentary hairdresser, Kelly Dodge, gets a gong for doing... Mr Johnson`s hair.
Yes, you read that correctly. Mr Johnson`s mop. !!!!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 13 Jun 09:28
It is monstrous that the honours system could be abused in this way. It either needs to be scrapped or radically redesigned.
Killing off the House of Lords would be an excellent start.
If there is a need for an upper chamber - and I do understand its rationale - then create a Senate in which members of the public vote for their senators.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 13 Jun 10:57
You’ve got a nerve Ozzie, at least our lot aren’t descended from sheep stealers, poachers and pickpockets!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 13 Jun 12:35
I think you will find that your lot, too, are all descended from the same sheep stealers, poachers and pickpockets.
In Oz, being descended from one of the convicts shipped out in the 1800s is considered a badge of honour.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 13 Jun 12:48
Quote:
Parboiled, Tue 13 Jun 10:57
You’ve got a nerve Ozzie, at least our lot aren’t descended from sheep stealers, poachers and pickpockets!
Aaaand there he goes again 🙄
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 13 Jun 13:26
Yep 🎣
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 15 Jun 11:44
Well well :-
The committee said the 90-day sanction was recommended because of repeated contempts, including:
Deliberately misleading the House of Commons
Deliberately misleading the committee
Breaching confidence
Impugning the committee and thereby undermining the democratic process of the House
Being complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee
The committee has also recommended that Mr Johnson should be stripped of the pass given to former MPs allowing them access to Parliament.
Two MPs on the committee wanted to go further and expel Mr Johnson from the Commons.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 15 Jun 13:44
Wasn`t me, honest Guv!
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 15 Jun 20:12
Sunak`s keeping quiet. No doubt because he broke the same rules and made the same denials and paid his own fine whilst all this was going on with Johnson.
Boris is very clearly dead, but we have another liar as Prime Minister.
The only moral course of action for Sunak is to call an election.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 15 Jun 20:24
Conservative MPs are split over whether or not to approve a report condemning Boris Johnson for misleading Parliament over Covid rule-breaking.
The former PM has branded the Privileges Committee`s findings "deranged" - and his most loyal supporters are set to vote against it.
But other Tory MPs are torn about what to do, as Mr Johnson remains popular with many party members.
No 10 has not said if Prime Minister Rishi Sunak will attend the vote.
"He hasn`t yet had time to fully consider the report. He does intend to take the time to do that," said the PM`s official spokesman.
I think the last 2 paragraphs sums it all up wotsit
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 15 Jun 20:29
Sir Jacob Rees Mogg is backing him to come back.
How a weasel like him gets a knighthood really boils my p1ss
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 15 Jun 20:30
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 15 Jun 20:53
Sunak seems to be bailing out to Ukraine next week to avoid the vote and PM,`s questions.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 15 Jun 21:32
A weasel of a man with no substance L.A. perhaps as big a liar as Boris the Brave
Time will tell
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 16 Jun 06:56
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Thu 15 Jun 20:29
Sir Jacob Rees Mogg is backing him to come back.
How a weasel like him gets a knighthood really boils my p1ss
What is it with some people like Rees Mogg and Nadine Dorris? Just ignore the mountain of evidence and continue the love in for that pathetic excuse for a human being. Logic tells me there`s no way that odious turd can ever make a political comeback after the whipping he`s had in that report, but he`s arrogant and deluded enough to try.
And the sad fact is that if he does, there will be plenty of numpties prepared to vote for him. Stupidity really has no limits. I liked Angela Raynor`s description of the Blustering Buffoon as "a pound shop Trump." 🤣😃🤣
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 16 Jun 08:32
The clouds are gathering in the west :-
A free vote will be held on the conclusions on Monday - Mr Johnson’s 59th birthday.
Nadine Dorries, a close ally, warned Tories planning to endorse the report that they “will be held to account by members and the public”. She added: “Deselections may follow. It’s serious.”
Sir James Duddridge, a friend of Mr Johnson’s, said one of the “great politicians of his time” had been forced out by a “vindictive” report.
Writing in the Daily Express, he said: “All politics is political! You cannot take the politics out of it. This is a political report.
“The irony of the overreaction and distortion of the report is it strengthens Boris’ hand. He has walked away from a parliamentary party that is not on a good trajectory.
“He could have been part of the solution but resigned before he was pushed.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 16 Jun 09:14
From the Papers web site :-
Boris Johnson has reportedly landed a plum new job following his dramatic departure from Parliament.
The former prime minister quit as an MP last Friday ahead of the release of yesterday`s partygate report by the Privileges Committee.
But Mr Johnson has already secured a new role in the wake of his Commons resignation.
Politico cited three separate sources as saying he is the "erudite new columnist" the Daily Mail teased on its front page today.
An insider told the website he is on a “very high six-figure sum” to pen a weekly column which starts tomorrow.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 16 Jun 09:53
He surely has to be answering questions about where the money came from to buy his house,
🤔😲💰£3.8 million in cash?
Considering he had a loan arranged by the BBC chairman because he was skint, he suddenly becomes rich and still gets taxpayers money for his lawyers fees!
If money like that appeard in my bank account there would be questions asked.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 16 Jun 12:11
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Fri 16 Jun 09:53
He surely has to be answering questions about where the money came from to buy his house,
🤔😲💰£3.8 million in cash?
Considering he had a loan arranged by the BBC chairman because he was skint, he suddenly becomes rich and still gets taxpayers money for his lawyers fees!
If money like that appeard in my bank account there would be questions asked.
My interpretation of the loan was that it was for services rendered rather than because Johnson was skint?
It reminded me of the Rangers EBT thing, where a payment is classified as a loan despite there being no expectations for repayment.
I could be totally wrong though, as I often am!!
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 16 Jun 17:24
He has broken the ministerial code by accepting the Daily Mail job so quickly but no sanctions are available to penalise him. Lovely guy.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 16 Jun 17:27
It would be quite interesting to see an investigation into Boris Johnstons finances, and the Tory Party donations, such as the 700k from the convicted Money Launderer, at the same level of scrutiny as this Police investigation into the SNP.
I did find myself shouting at the telly watching Question Time last night (I know....I don`t know why I bother). When the chap from the SNP had a wee rant when asked a question about Johnston, Fiona Bruce quickly interjected with a classic piece of whataboutary and deflection to try and change the subject on to Nicola Sturgeons arrest. State broadcaster right enough
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 17 Jun 16:28
Well there ye go .. One of the wittiest and original writers in the business 1200 words of sh1te :-
In his first column, published at around 5pm, Mr Johnson writes about noticing a Cabinet colleague’s weight loss during his time in government and wondering how they had achieved it.
“If an otherwise healthy middle-aged man displays sudden weight loss, I reasoned, there are only two possible explanations.
"Either he has fallen hopelessly in love, or else he is about to mount a Tory leadership bid,” he says.
Semaglutide, also known as brand names Wegovy and Ozempic, is an appetite suppressant, which is popular with celebrities including Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who injects it to maintain his weight.
In a 1,200-word article, Mr Johnson discusses his unsuccessful personal experience with the appetite-suppressants – but reaches the conclusion that they could be used to tackle Britain’s obesity crisis.
Mr Johnson wrote: “After 40 years of moral failure, 40 years of weakness in the face of temptation … I was going to acquire a new and invincible chemical willpower. I was going to become an ex-glutton, a person of moderation and grace and restraint, and like my Cabinet colleagues I was going to start to resemble a chiselled whippet.
The Mail itself even went as far as to describe Mr Johnson – who was once sacked from a job at The Times over allegations he made up a quote – as “one of the wittiest and most original writers in the business”.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 19 Jun 00:15
I wonder how Michael Gove keeps the weight off?
Wonder if it is in any way related to the fact that he always seems to be awake early on a Sunday morning?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 19 Jun 08:31
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 17 Jun 16:28
Well there ye go .. One of the wittiest and original writers in the business 1200 words of sh1te :-
In his first column, published at around 5pm, Mr Johnson writes about noticing a Cabinet colleague’s weight loss during his time in government and wondering how they had achieved it.
“If an otherwise healthy middle-aged man displays sudden weight loss, I reasoned, there are only two possible explanations.
"Either he has fallen hopelessly in love, or else he is about to mount a Tory leadership bid,” he says.
Semaglutide, also known as brand names Wegovy and Ozempic, is an appetite suppressant, which is popular with celebrities including Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who injects it to maintain his weight.
In a 1,200-word article, Mr Johnson discusses his unsuccessful personal experience with the appetite-suppressants – but reaches the conclusion that they could be used to tackle Britain’s obesity crisis.
Mr Johnson wrote: “After 40 years of moral failure, 40 years of weakness in the face of temptation … I was going to acquire a new and invincible chemical willpower. I was going to become an ex-glutton, a person of moderation and grace and restraint, and like my Cabinet colleagues I was going to start to resemble a chiselled whippet.
The Mail itself even went as far as to describe Mr Johnson – who was once sacked from a job at The Times over allegations he made up a quote – as “one of the wittiest and most original writers in the business”.
Wow! Fascinating stuff and so, so witty. I`m buying a Daily Mail subscription TODAY!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 19 Jun 09:31
So, to summarise, I tried this product, it didn`t work, but it`ll DEFINITELY work for you.
Aren`t papers supposed to mark these pieces as advertorial?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 19 Jun 17:48
What have MPs said so far?
If you`re just joining our coverage of the debate, here`s an quick summary of the key points we`ve heard so far:
Tory Minister Penny Mordaunt said she will vote in favour of the Privileges Committee report, encouraging fellow MPs to be "left alone" to vote with the conscience
Her Labour counterpart, Thangam Debbonaire, says Prime Minister Rishi Sunak should have blocked Boris Johnson`s honours list
Green MP Caroline Lucas accused Conservative MPs who are abstaining from the vote of cowardice
The SNP`s Deidre Brock said the report demonstrates a "culture of shattering rules" in the government throughout the pandemic
Former Tory PM Theresa May said her colleagues must be seen to hold their own to account, to show the public there is "not one rule for them and another for us"
The committee`s chair, Harriet Harman, says a second report into MPs who sought to undermine their work is being prepared
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 19 Jun 17:53
It’s a measure of the mood in the Commons - and the make up of those who have attended the debate - that the contribution of Lia Nici, a former parliamentary aide to Boris Johnson, is met with laughter and calls of "rubbish".
She blames officials for the parties and advisers for misleading the former prime minister.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 19 Jun 18:08
Same barber by the looks of it :-)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 19 Jun 21:11
Has anybody seen the spineless back stabbing weasel that goes by the name of Rishi Sunak .. Leader of no one .. The Tory`s are finished and they know it .. We will have to wait and see how much more damage they an do .. how much more they can syphon off to their donors before they are removed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 19 Jun 21:16
double post sorry
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 19 Jun 22:22
This whole saga has just shown how inept and useless Westminster is for actually holding elected officials to task for breaking the law.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 27 Sep 19:16
Good news his swimming pool is finally going ahead and fek the great crested newt .. the protected small amphibian ..not the large lying Basta*d
The £3.8m 17th Century property, which Mr Johnson and his wife Carrie bought earlier this year, is bordered on three sides by a moat.
So Question .. why don`t they not just swim in the moat ?? .. answers on a postcard
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 28 Sep 00:33
Must be nice getting your legal expenses paid!🤔💩
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 27 Oct 16:16
From Aunty :-
Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced he is joining GB News.
Mr Johnson, who stepped down as an MP earlier this year, will work for the news channel as a presenter, programme maker and commentator.
He will "play a key role" in coverage of the UK and US elections next year and will host a series "showcasing the power of Britain around the world", the broadcaster said.
Mr Johnson said he was "excited" to take up the new role on the channel.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 27 Oct 16:56
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 27 Oct 16:16
From Aunty :-
Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced he is joining GB News.
Mr Johnson, who stepped down as an MP earlier this year, will work for the news channel as a presenter, programme maker and commentator.
He will "play a key role" in coverage of the UK and US elections next year and will host a series "showcasing the power of Britain around the world", the broadcaster said.
Mr Johnson said he was "excited" to take up the new role on the channel.
You`re obsessed with the Blustering Buffoon, BPP. Here`s the full story:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67242822
What really rips my knitting is that a man who has shown time and again that he`s incompetent and a shameless liar, keeps getting cushy well remunerated jobs.
I`d honestly never tire of kicking him in the err... nether regions.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 27 Oct 18:34
As ma granny used tae say `Them that huz aye gets`!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 30 Oct 20:37
Sounds about right :-
The UK`s top civil servant told colleagues in private that Boris Johnson "cannot lead" at the height of the Covid pandemic.
In WhatsApp messages from September 2020 disclosed to the Covid inquiry, Simon Case said the former PM "changes strategic direction every day".
He added that he was making government "impossible," and "we cannot support him in leading with this approach".
"I am at the end of my tether," he wrote, calling other ministers "weak".
In a day of explosive evidence, one of Mr Johnson`s former aides also said he thought Mr Johnson had questioned why the economy was being destroyed "for people who will die anyway soon".
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 7 Dec 16:58
Ex-prime minister Boris Johnson blamed Wales` high Covid rates in the pandemic on "the singing and the obesity", according to the diary of his chief scientific adviser at the time.
An extract from Sir Patrick Vallance`s diaries was shown as Mr Johnson gave evidence to the UK Covid-19 inquiry.
It included the line: "Wales very high - PM says `it is the singing and the obesity... I never said that.`"
Iechyd da! Boris
He also fought back the tears as he recalls his time in intensive care with covid 19
One source inside the hospital said Johnson was “very sick” when taken into ICU. “It was touch and go whether he would be put on a ventilator,” the source said.
The same source, however, wonders whether the prime minister really should have been in intensive care.
About 130 other patients were in critical care at the time, the vast majority hooked up to ventilators. At no point was Johnson on a ventilator. Nor did he receive Cpap, a less invasive form of treatment.
The source said: “Before the coronavirus crisis you could be in ICU without being on a ventilator but pretty much every bed is now taken by a coronavirus patient with a ventilator.
I know people who work in ICU and I know the technicians who prepare all the equipment and they all say he was not put on a ventilator.
He was taking up an ICU bed when he didn’t need it. The idea that you would put a patient who didn’t need a ventilator on an ICU bed is nonsense.”
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 10 Feb 08:42
We all know they are desperate .. but I did not think it was this bad :-
Boris Johnson is seriously considering a return to frontline politics following growing calls for him to give the Tories a campaign poll boost.
The former prime minister is mulling what role he can play in the future after Rishi Sunak opened the door to a comeback.
Andrew Griffith became the first member of the government to support a comeback, saying "Boris is a great voice”.
And another Tory MP insisted Mr Johnson would “win us the next election” if he hit the campaign trail.
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