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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:41
Should have opened this earlier sorry.
I’m doing updates from the BBC feed (at home).
We played so well before United got their goal.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Fri 10 Nov 21:50)
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:42
Yet another shocking goal to concede. Mehmet should have done better and the two defenders let Fotheringham breeze past them. Ever since Utds goal, we`ve been brutal. Shame because we played well before that. Hopefully McPake can fire them up at half time.
Post Edited (Fri 10 Nov 20:43)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:45
It`d be good to see Todd and KRH on there. Wish we`d stop constantly passing back to Mehmet. Where has the playing out from the back gone? Punt it and see isn`t working.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:45
How did the United keeper have the ball after the referee stopped the game when the defender was poleaxed and treated - surely that should have been a dropped ball ?
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Topic Originator: plainview
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:47
Noticed when Mehmet slipped at the goal kick he touched the ball twice. Anyone more in the know aware if a foul should be given if that happens?
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:48
Mehmet is only good in league one.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:49
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Fri 10 Nov 20:48
Mehmet is only good in league one.
So is your support apparently.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:52
Yeah supposed to be an indirect freekick, but since the player had the chance, was probably not given as they got an advantage... And then when Moult dives in with the studs, just let it go
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:53
We were definitely better until the goal. Been a shambles since then.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:56
Harry Sharp in goals this half
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:56
Very flat and clueless after the goal strangely.
Mehmet looking a bit dodg again.
It actually looks like 13v11 Utd`s way.
Subs on.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 10 Nov 20:57
Quote:
plainview, Fri 10 Nov 20:47
Noticed when Mehmet slipped at the goal kick he touched the ball twice. Anyone more in the know aware if a foul should be given if that happens?
Retake ?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:07
Goallllll
Moffat
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:08
Brilliant composure for the finish. Matty Todd on for him now
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:10
The top been coming off the Pitch everywhere tonight, has it been verti-drained or something ?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:39
Goal for United
Mochrie
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:39
Only got ourselves to blame yet again. Shocking defending. Played so well this half aswell
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:39
Two mistakes from the goalie(s) and two goals, can`t get away with that against the league leaders.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:46
Passing and composure has been poor this half
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:50
Poor goalkeeping for both goals and the usual lack of cutting edge upfront.
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:53
The difference,having forwards that take their chance ours are very poor
G.B
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:55
Refereeing wasn`t great. Lacked a bit up front. Definitely looked tired come the end. That said, I`m not convinced Dundee Utd deserved that. If that ended a draw I`d have said it was a solid performance by the Pars. We`d benefit from Bene back but it`s upfront we have the biggest issue. We need more strikers who will cause problems. Easier said than done though!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:56
Our keepers are…..dodgy it’s fair to say.
Thought we played well for 30 mins but after that we struggled. Moffat goal was a beauty but Wighton and Jakubiak and indeed Mcann could play all night without scoring. Otoo had his worst game for Pars, he must have gave the ball aŵay five of six times and looked very uncomfortable.
Chalmers was excellent fist half. Allan anonymous.
As has been said countless times before our lack of fire power is proving costly and I can’t make up my mind who should be in between the sticks….
Don’t believe Mehmet was injured by the way….
At least Todd and KRH are back now.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:57
Quote:
desparado, Fri 10 Nov 21:56
Our keepers are…..dodgy it’s fair to say.
Thought we played well for 30 mins but after that we struggled. Moffat goal was a beauty but Wighton and Jakubiak and indeed Mcann could play all night without scoring. Otoo had his worst game for Pars, he must have gave the ball aŵay five of six times and looked very uncomfortable.
Chalmers was excellent fist half. Allan anonymous.
As has been said countless times before our lack of fire power is proving costly and I can’t make up my mind who should be in between the sticks….
Don’t believe Mehmet was injured by the way….
At least Todd and KRH are back now.
Mehmet got hit the eye and it was twitching. It looked nasty.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:57
BBC had a close up shot of Mehmet after the clash and he most definitely had an injury to his face.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:57
Quote:
desparado, Fri 10 Nov 21:56
Our keepers are…..dodgy it’s fair to say.
Thought we played well for 30 mins but after that we struggled. Moffat goal was a beauty but Wighton and Jakubiak and indeed Mcann could play all night without scoring. Otoo had his worst game for Pars, he must have gave the ball aŵay five of six times and looked very uncomfortable.
Chalmers was excellent fist half. Allan anonymous.
As has been said countless times before our lack of fire power is proving costly and I can’t make up my mind who should be in between the sticks….
Don’t believe Mehmet was injured by the way….
At least Todd and KRH are back now.
Mehmet had a visible stud mark on his face.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Fri 10 Nov 21:58
We need a striker in Jan. We are not clinical enough up top. Goals win games.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:01
Disappointing, but we didn`t shame ourselves—a pretty good effort.
Our attack is our main weakness. Jakubiak should be ahead of Wighton every time. And McCann, well, I don`t know the answer. He should have been loaned out a couple of seasons ago, but that didn`t happen, and we have a promising young lad who will probably never reach anything beyond that.
At the time, I felt it would have been better to substitute Allen rather than Moffat. But the boss made the call.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:04
ate: Fri 10 Nov 21:57
Quote:
desparado, Fri 10 Nov 21:56
Our keepers are…..dodgy it’s fair to say.
Thought we played well for 30 mins but after that we struggled. Moffat goal was a beauty but Wighton and Jakubiak and indeed Mcann could play all night without scoring. Otoo had his worst game for Pars, he must have gave the ball aŵay five of six times and looked very uncomfortable.
Chalmers was excellent fist half. Allan anonymous.
As has been said countless times before our lack of fire power is proving costly and I can’t make up my mind who should be in between the sticks….
Don’t believe Mehmet was injured by the way….
At least Todd and KRH are back now.
Mehmet had a visible stud mark on his face.
Since when did a stud mark on your face cause an injury so bad that you do not appear for the SH ?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:04
Quote:
OzPar, Fri 10 Nov 22:01
Disappointing, but we didn`t shame ourselves—a pretty good effort.
Our attack is our main weakness. Jakubiak should be ahead of Wighton every time. And McCann, well, I don`t know the answer. He should have been loaned out a couple of seasons ago, but that didn`t happen, and we have a promising young lad who will probably never reach anything beyond that.
At the time, I felt it would have been better to substitute Allen rather than Moffat. But the boss made the call.
Wighton was far more effective than Jakubiak tonight.
Only hope is Todd and KRH start creating enough space for the strikers to take 3 touches and score the 4th!
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Topic Originator: John-Boy
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:05
Thought Todd was excellent when he came on.
We seem to create half chances, we just need someone who can finish them.
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A) Yes, B) A or C) B
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:08
Let down by a couple mistakes in an otherwise solid performance in general. I think we will be lucky to have Edwards next season. Some player.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:10
Thought we played some good stuff at times but individual errors and giving the ball away loosely has cost us.
I think we need to be more adventurous. Goal apart, even with lots of good spells, we`ve barely tested their goalkeeper
Post Edited (Fri 10 Nov 22:11)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:12
DBA, where do you get that idea? Jakubiak`s first touch was infinitely better than Wighton`s tonight. He has physical strength and found space that opened up opportunities we were not finding when Wighton was on the field.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:14
Usual.
Strikers that can’t score.
Far too many mistakes at the back, mostly from trying to play out from goal kicks.
Players scared of their own shadow never mind a challenge to the win the ball. Wighton and chalmers bad for it.
Goalkeeping howlers.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:15
Quote:
desparado, Fri 10 Nov 22:04
ate: Fri 10 Nov 21:57
Quote:
desparado, Fri 10 Nov 21:56
Our keepers are…..dodgy it’s fair to say.
Thought we played well for 30 mins but after that we struggled. Moffat goal was a beauty but Wighton and Jakubiak and indeed Mcann could play all night without scoring. Otoo had his worst game for Pars, he must have gave the ball aŵay five of six times and looked very uncomfortable.
Chalmers was excellent fist half. Allan anonymous.
As has been said countless times before our lack of fire power is proving costly and I can’t make up my mind who should be in between the sticks….
Don’t believe Mehmet was injured by the way….
At least Todd and KRH are back now.
Mehmet had a visible stud mark on his face.
Since when did a stud mark on your face cause an injury so bad that you do not appear for the SH ?
i think hes stating he had been hit by such force he had a clear stud mark, which is probably why he was taken off, probably a concussion
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:16
Sods law Mochrie would finally score at EEP. Decent game, frustrating result.
We played some neat stuff first half without much cutting edge, faded after the goal where we were just too passive, lots of players back, but nobody being aggressive in closing down the ball or getting a foot in (as was the second). The equaliser was really a bit lucky but really well taken, then we had a decent 10 minutes before letting United dictate again. I think that game was there for the taking for us, there just wasn`t enough aggression to our play. We never really pressed them with any purpose, Allan and Chalmers are too slow, too deep and too timid as a pair.
I think Moffat was sacrificed to early, he was starved off possession but always looked lively with it. Wighton was poor first half but was just starting to get involved when he was hooked as well. Jakubiak is already very frustrating, fluffed another excellent chance (which he made himself), has some neat turns and touches and then normally a woeful touch/pass.
We were just too lightweight, a little bit at the back without Bene and Breen, but especially in midfield as we can`t use either Hamilton or Otoo in there at the moment. Matty Todd looked good, great to see him and KRH back. Maybe McPake needs to think about a back 4, possibly a 4-2-3-1. I`d like to see Moffat and Todd in the same team, they can`t both play as a 10 though, and maybe Matty is wasted a little playing deeper as a central midfielder.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:18
Like everyone here I am disappointed not to pick up a point tonight ,
And for me both goals conceded were goalkeepers faults
We played a lot of good stuff tonight but at times we gave the ball away far too easily , you can see why we do not score many goals, we do not create enough good chances in a game ! we can blame the forwards all we want but if they do not get decent service you cannot score ! and scoring is our downfall
surprised at Moffat being taken off especially after scoring , he would have been on a high after that !
Todd played well when he came on though ,
Our Home record is Abyssmal already ! so here`s hoping we can step up and win our next few games at home
2 bad goals to lose us the game as I still think we deserved a point
but football is cruel and if you do not score goals you do not win Games
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:23
I thought it was madness taking off Moffat , a guy who has just scored his third goal in two gamesand bringing on Todd who hasnt played for three months. I would have delayed that substitution for another 10/15 mins. Ref was brutal. I thought we played not too badly , certainly better than second half last week.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:26
Surely Jakubiak was carrying a knock tonight? Dropped for an ineffective wighton and didnt look as sharp when he came on.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:36
Quote:
wetherby, Fri 10 Nov 22:23
I thought it was madness taking off Moffat , a guy who has just scored his third goal in two gamesand bringing on Todd who hasnt played for three months. I would have delayed that substitution for another 10/15 mins. Ref was brutal. I thought we played not too badly , certainly better than second half last week.
I agree that substitution was terrible. The guy who scored 3 goals in 1.5 games..should of brought Todd in for Wighton and played them two behind McCann
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:36
Still no sign of the Nisbet money while we play auld pals acts up front ? I thought we were worth a point tonight but if we stay up it’ll be an achievement . Goalkeepers are not good enough and we don’t score enough goals . The rigid 3-5-2 formation is also dire to watch . So easy to play against.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:40
A point would’ve probably been a fair result but can’t begrudge Dundee Utd the victory, they just took their chances whereas we didn’t create or test the GK enough unfortunately.
I’m finding it hard to be disappointed tonight though, we’re still in a reasonably good position in the league and we have both Todd and KRH back in the first team, if they can return to their best then the rest of the season will be a positive one.
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:46
Quote:
Berry, Fri 10 Nov 22:40
A point would’ve probably been a fair result but can’t begrudge Dundee Utd the victory, they just took their chances whereas we didn’t create or test the GK enough unfortunately.
I’m finding it hard to be disappointed tonight though, we’re still in a reasonably good position in the league and we have both Todd and KRH back in the first team, if they can return to their best then the rest of the season will be a positive one.
Agree, 100%
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:52
Difficult to sum up that game but will give it a go...
First half I thought the game started quite evenly although United were a bit higher up the park than we were. Liked how we kept the ball moving even in tight spaces and although they got the ball wide a few times the back three looked fairly solid. Chalmers was playing things a little quicker and United couldn`t get any real joy with their press. O`Hallloran going off probably didn`t help us as we`d presumably had a plan in place and we looked a bit lost after that and took a few minutes to readjust. We never really created anything other than a counter attack with Wighton then a long ball to McCann who couldn`t control it and the opening was gone. Still not sure how their opener happened - we seemed reasonably in control of things but let the man get a shot away too easily, the keeper has had a nightmare and then the back three have been sleeping while Fotheringham has gambled. Really poor goal to lose. We then have Mehnet slipping then doing really well to recover. Not sure why the ref didn`t stop play sooner for the double hit on the bye, I can only assume he wasn`t looking or didn`t realise that had happened, so if Moult had scored or won a penalty that would have been quite the contentious occident. Getting to half time only a goal down then was key.
The second half started quite evenly as well and then we started to get a little bit higher up the park and started putting them under a bit more pressure. Not sure how the push on McCann wasn`t a penalty - perhaps his tendency to go down easily went against him but it was still a clear push with no attempt to win the ball - then Moffat broke upfield, we get a wee bit of fortune with the slip and it`s a lovely finish. He looked burst up until then so I can see why the change was made but I think he could have stayed on for another 5 minutes after the goal as he`d have been flying. Allan perhaps could have come off as he wasn`t as good as he`s been thus far. Todd brings a bit of energy and his wee run that resulted in a yellow card was a delight. Jakubiak needs to do better with his chance, Edwards was unlucky with a decent angled drive and other than the McCann free kick that`s all we were really able to muster. The midfield started to drop off (there was an example of some good pressing by McCann, Jakubiak and Comrie but then when it came forward Chalmers, Allan and Todd weren`t following up the press which was disappointing - it came into the area Chalmers was in but I`m not saying it was all his fault or anything) and United always looked the likelier winners. Typical it was a Mochrie winner after not really showing that at East End (although the shot was hit like his goal up at Peterhead) and also typical that Sharp`s wrists turned to poppadoms again after pulling off a couple of decent stops.
For all the performance was decent and we made United work for the win, I think the lack of reliable goalkeeper and goalscorer was ag
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:54
Todd should have came on for Allen, as I don`t think he had any involvement in the game, second half especially. Then rather than play Hamilton as sweeper, play him in front on the two defenders as we were being destroyed defensively in midfield, even in the first half it was obvious we we were struggling to match up.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 10 Nov 22:58
Frustrating tonight but showed we can match teams like Dundee Utd if we cut out stupid errors and finish our chances. Losing games like this really infuriate me because it was completely preventable! Without Bene at the back we just seem to make far too many daft errors and switch off at crucial moments. We gave them far too much space in the last 15 minutes as well, which is very unlike us. I`m also surprised that we didn`t use KRH as often when he came on as there were a number of times he had acres of space to run into but we played it to Edwards instead?
Overall, a draw would have been fair tonight. Hopefully once Jakubiak scores one it will give him belief in front of goal. He had another glorious chance tonight that he did all the hard work to create! Once we`re back to full strength I think we could easily be a playoffs team.
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:10
Was it McCann with the free kick late on ? I thought that was in . Must have been close
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:24
I didn`t enjoy the game much - not sure if that was the game its self or how I was feeling otherwise. We managed to play ourselves into the game after struggling a bit in the first 5 minutes but we just didn`t seem able to get anywhere and I don`t think we managed to get on top of them at any point.
I haven`t seen any replays, but the first goal didn`t look a terrible goalkeeping mistake. Just looked like a very hard hit shot that he didn`t get as much on as he`d want. Second looked like it went straight through, with the keeper not reacting at all - I was a long way from it, but looked like what happens when the keeper doesn`t have sight of the shot.
If we`d managed to hold on and get a point, it would have been fair enough but a narrow loss wasn`t unfair either. We were never really a threat and were really struggling by the time they scored the winner. Just looked really tired all over the park and annoyng that Dundee Utd did enough to win without ever being that great either.
Frustrating, but I suppose the good thing is that we`re competitive in most games. Overall I`d say things haven`t really gone our way recently and if we continue to stay competitive, surely that changes at some point.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:26
Why was Declan Gallagher allowed to stay on the park after getting treatment from the McCann booking incident? The ball is played to him the ball goes forward and they score. The ref lost control of the game in the last 20 minutes, I`m gutted we didn`t take anything from the game
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:26
Just a shame we have 2 keepers that give goals away for fun
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:32
Why was Declan Gallagher allowed to stay on the park after getting treatment from the McCann booking incident?
Rules if a player is booked then the fouled player doesn’t have to leave the pitch
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:33
Very little between the teams.
Lewis was very close wi` the free kick near the end that just cleared the bar. I felt for him, it was a really good effort. Hope he keeps trying them.
I would have kept Moffat on - proven goalscorer - and not just from easy chances. His three goals lately - he pretty much made them and scored them. I thought he was having an OK game, and with his ability to score - he`s worth the full match.
I would have took somebody else off for Matty to get on.
We should have had a penalty for the shove on McCann.
If only we had Bene! I think we`d have got something.
We`re not a bad side - no failures tonight. We lost by the whisker that Lewis`s free kick went over the bar.
Post Edited (Fri 10 Nov 23:34)
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:33
Midfield of chalmers and Allan only works for 60 mins then they both run out of steam, absolutely overrun the last 30 and was no surprise to see them get the winner. We’ve absolutely no threat top end of the pitch and if we don’t get a striker in then it’ll be a long season
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Topic Originator: AJ27
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:33
I’m surprised more hasn’t been said about the penalty shout - from where I sit in the Norrie it looked an absolute stonewaller. I thought we were very unlucky to lose that game.
Andy J
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:40
As for the referee - he was utter mince in the second half but perhaps the worst of it was that he allowed us 4 separate stoppages to make subs when you are only allowed 3. I`m not going mad on this one, am I? We definitely made one sub in the first half, one at half-time (which doesn`t count as a stoppage) and 3 separate subs in the second half. I just checked Law 3 on IFAB website in case there was a chagne that got through without me noticing, but it`s still the same - 5 subs allowed with a maximum of 3 separate stoppages.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:44
Quote:
Socks, Fri 10 Nov 23:40
As for the referee - he was utter mince in the second half but perhaps the worst of it was that he allowed us 4 separate stoppages to make subs when you are only allowed 3. I`m not going mad on this one, am I? We definitely made one sub in the first half, one at half-time (which doesn`t count as a stoppage) and 3 separate subs in the second half. I just checked Law 3 on IFAB website in case there was a chagne that got through without me noticing, but it`s still the same - 5 subs allowed with a maximum of 3 separate stoppages.
Are you not allowed another sub break as one of the subs was due to concussion?
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:47
Our goalkeeper substitution was down as a concussion sub I believe, so didn`t count as a standard sub but United got an extra sub if they wished. At least that`s my understanding.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:49
Quote:
Kdy Par, Fri 10 Nov 23:44
Quote:
Socks, Fri 10 Nov 23:40
As for the referee - he was utter mince in the second half but perhaps the worst of it was that he allowed us 4 separate stoppages to make subs when you are only allowed 3. I`m not going mad on this one, am I? We definitely made one sub in the first half, one at half-time (which doesn`t count as a stoppage) and 3 separate subs in the second half. I just checked Law 3 on IFAB website in case there was a chagne that got through without me noticing, but it`s still the same - 5 subs allowed with a maximum of 3 separate stoppages.
Are you not allowed another sub break as one of the subs was due to concussion?
The concussion sub was at half time therefore not a stoppage. Im with Socks on this - the officials have had an absolute mare with this one and the 4th official should have alerted our bench.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:54
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desparado, Fri 10 Nov 22:04
ate: Fri 10 Nov 21:57
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desparado, Fri 10 Nov 21:56
Our keepers are…..dodgy it’s fair to say.
Thought we played well for 30 mins but after that we struggled. Moffat goal was a beauty but Wighton and Jakubiak and indeed Mcann could play all night without scoring. Otoo had his worst game for Pars, he must have gave the ball aŵay five of six times and looked very uncomfortable.
Chalmers was excellent fist half. Allan anonymous.
As has been said countless times before our lack of fire power is proving costly and I can’t make up my mind who should be in between the sticks….
Don’t believe Mehmet was injured by the way….
At least Todd and KRH are back now.
Mehmet had a visible stud mark on his face.
Since when did a stud mark on your face cause an injury so bad that you do not appear for the SH ?
Already explained he was twitching. His sight may have been affected.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Fri 10 Nov 23:56
I don`t think concussion subs exist in football yet, except in trials. Searching the Laws of the Game for `concus` only gives 3 results, all of them in supplementary notes talking briefly about concussion substitute trials. There`s defeinitely no mention of it in Law 3, where it will go if such a change does come in.
Is the SPFL partaking in such a trial? If so, I don`t recall hearing about it.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:00
From my point in the Norrie I thought Mehmet made a decent stop and the Pars defender was too flat footed at the follow up for the first goal. No one around me thought Mehmet was at fault. Bizarre how so many people see it differently.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:01
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Socks, Fri 10 Nov 23:56
I don`t think concussion subs exist in football yet, except in trials. Searching the Laws of the Game for `concus` only gives 3 results, all of them in supplementary notes talking briefly about concussion substitute trials. There`s defeinitely no mention of it in Law 3, where it will go if such a change does come in.
Is the SPFL partaking in such a trial? If so, I don`t recall hearing about it.
The SPFL started the concussion sub trial in February 2021.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:02
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doctordandruff, Sat 11 Nov 00:00
From my point in the Norrie I thought Mehmet made a decent stop and the Pars defender was too flat footed at the follow up for the first goal. No one around me thought Mehmet was at fault. Bizarre how so many people see it differently.
We were in the Norrie - and about 6 of us thought it was Mehmets fault 😂 he palms it back directly into the box - not away from danger but right into it
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:02
What possible justification can a fan have for saying `Don`t believe Mehmet was injured by the way`? James McPake has explained that he wanted to come back on but the club doctor examined him and said he should come off as he might have been concussed. That was what delayed the team`s reappearance at the start of the second half.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:14
Moffat sub wasn’t a stoppage as the sub was right after the goal
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Topic Originator: NiallDAFC
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:23
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parsfan97, Sat 11 Nov 00:14
Moffat sub wasn’t a stoppage as the sub was right after the goal
I thought you could only make 5 changes within 3 substitutions. Regardless of reason for stoppage in play, with the exception of 1 concussion sub. If you bring on 3 separate players at different times then that’s you done and cannot use the further 2. I may be wrong but that’s the understanding I have on the rule.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:26
Quote:
parsfan97, Sat 11 Nov 00:14
Moffat sub wasn’t a stoppage as the sub was right after the goal
Thats still a stoppage……the game has stopped, due to a goal being scored…..a better way to put it, is you get 3 opportunities to make substitutions whilst the game is ongoing, aka first half/second half….we had 4 tonight and the officials seemed oblivious to it 🤔
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:38
Thanks to Kdy Par for that - on searching, I do see some stuff about the start of a trial starting in March 2021, though it was only to be temporary until the end of that season. Now that I read it, I do have a vague recollection of it but it`s some time ago and I don`t see anything at all about a continuation after summer of 2021.
This is the relevant protocol:
https://www.datocms-assets.com/43623/1624965681-concussion-substitutes-protocol-b.pdf
Assuming that the trial was continued and this is the explanation for what happened tonight, I`m still not sure why we should have been allowed an extra substitution opportunity. It`s complicated by that sub being at half-time, but the principle seems to be that you still get 3 `normal` substitution opportunities during play but the guideline is not explicit about what happens if it`s at half-time. But, if that`s what was being followed, I think we should have been allowed to make a 6th sub if we wanted, but not allowed a 4th substitution opportunity. So, I think he was probably still wrong, but nowhere near as badly as I thought at the time.
It would also help if the SPFL kept us up to date as to whether or not the trial was still in operation.
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:40
Noticed Mochrie didnt over celebrate depite getting boo`d when he came on
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Topic Originator: Swainy
Date: Sat 11 Nov 00:41
Quote:
doctordandruff, Sat 11 Nov 00:00
From my point in the Norrie I thought Mehmet made a decent stop and the Pars defender was too flat footed at the follow up for the first goal. No one around me thought Mehmet was at fault. Bizarre how so many people see it differently.
Was watching on BBC with replays, definitely Mehmets fault, he cleared himself saving the chance which ended up with him being subbed.
Lost the game due to two keeper errors. If anyone deserved the win, it would be DAFC!
Draw would have probably been fair.
D.A are the number one!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 11 Nov 07:36
Really good performance at the back and in the middle for the first 30minutes but you just knew they would only take one chance and would score. Our level then dipped and were happy to get to half time. 2nd half wasn’t easy and our energy levels and confidence dropped. Not sure what’s going on with mehmet, was in concussion or crisis of confidence, looked shake and the other guy looks poor, another example of is looking at what’s available at Dundee instead of looking for further afield.
The strikers, where to start? Wighton just not mobile enough at this level, he’s the mostly like of the 3 to score though and intelligent enough to win free kicks etc but isn’t an out ball. Jak is more mobile and strong but does the hard bit and then gives the ball away, never looks likely to score. McCann doest’t look capable at this level, never ever gambles so always on his heels when the ball comes into the box and generally it’s all workrate and very little else, bar a couple of wee patches that’s been his career to date and will continue to be.
We just seem a bit weak in strength sometimes, chalmers had his best 30 minutes for us tonight but he’s just not strong enough in the tackle and doesn’t compete in the air. I know we were missing bene etc but we are not currently a threat from set prices and in general are a small side, in fact we regularly lose the aerial battle in the middle of the park. Otoo looks strong and athletic but will make plenty of mistakes and likes to mark his man from about 10 yards away sometimes but has potential and isn’t one to just hoof it down the line which is good to see.
Moffat looks a tidy player, we’ll need the midfield to weigh in with goals if we’re to win any more games at this rate as we’re always likely to concede and those strikers aint scoring 2 goals in a game very often if at all.
Post Edited (Sat 11 Nov 07:41)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 11 Nov 07:51
Disappointed but not despondent. There`s a feeling of inevitability that United will win this league comfortably. They have a strong, experienced squad with good players they can bring on to impact the game.
We competed well for the most part, but their goalie didn`t have a great deal to do. We lost two avoidable goals, which I don`t think we would have with Bene at the back - no disrespect to the boys who played there. Nobody could have grudged us a point, but United will feel they edged it. Once Bene, Breen and Summers are back, we`ll win more games than we`ll lose and I feel we have a good chance of finishing in the top 4.
Oh, and the ref was brutal. Overheard a fan on the way home saying, "That Euan Anderson is s***e! He should have stayed at home in Dumbarton." He probably did.😀
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 11 Nov 08:29
My honest assessment is that Utd were the better team and more likely to win the game. They had more movement around the box and moved the ball quickly at the same time. They showed controlled aggression and closed us down quickly. The had too much time and space in midfield at times and the width enabled them to get into dangerous positions. They looked like a premier league outfit.
We have some younger players, and we lacked that controlled aggression that they need to learn. They are still young and will learn. Mcann is big and strong, but he makes the wrong choices with the ball when we get into good positions. It will come with time. Wighton has good movement around the box, but I agree that against better teams, he could play all night and not score.
Another great goal by Moffat. As he develops, he will be a great player. Personally, I thought it was a bad decision to take him off right after scoring. Not just for his confidence, but he was the one player on the park in my view who was capable of scoring for us. As others have said, there were others in the team who should have gone off before him.
Not convinced about Mhemet yet. He makes too many mistakes that can cost us games. His distribution of the ball isn`t good. It was much better when Harry Sharp came on. He found players with the ball and his quick distribution got a couple of attacks going.
Otoo seems to have lost a bit of confidence, I think. There is a real player in there. He is still young and will be up and down. He is more comfortable going forward. Perhaps having to play in a position at the moment that does not suit him is not getting the best from him.
Chris had another solid performance playing out of position. He`s a Dunfermline man and will go on to be one of our great club servants. He is coming on to his game.
We matched the for large parts of the game but it is the mistakes that cost you games. It was a good yardstick to see how we measured up against Utd. On reflection I feel we are not the finished article, a bit disjointed sometimes in terms of direction on the park but we have a young side with players who are developing all the time. Utd gave us a lesson in controlled aggression in forward positions in my view.
Agree with others in that we are looking like a top 4 side but lack the movement in the last third. Again, Owen Moffat came to the rescue for the goal. The forward players need to be scoring.
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Topic Originator: halbe
Date: Sat 11 Nov 09:04
Moffat scores third goal in 2 games but gets immediately hooked. Good players in the team but so short of goals . Not sure why you take off the one player taking chances at the moment.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:06
That substitution was an add one. It was almost as if the manager was so keen to give Matty Todd a run that he was prepared to take off the player most similar in style to him regardless of the fact he had just scored. If that was the case are we unlikely to see them starting together in the same team?
Post Edited (Sat 11 Nov 10:10)
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:07
Thought we played well again in spells however individual mistakes and lack of creativity cost us again. Wighton offers hee haw when he plays.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:08
Are you allowed to cancel subs? Moffat was already down to come off but then got the goal. Unless it was down to fitness I would have kept Moffat on.
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:14
Yes, that`s my concern as well Wee Eck, not sure we are aggressive or attacking enough with the current 3-4-2-1 when the central pair are Chalmers and Allan. We can keep the ball neatly at times, as have done in both Friday games, but there isn`t much genuine threat.
Could Matty Todd be used as a box to box central midfielder beside one of Chalmers/Allan? Or do we move Hamilton into midfield and play a back 4, something like:
Mehmet
Edwards
Otoo
Fisher
Comrie
Chalmers
Hamilton
Todd
Moffat
KRH
Wighton/McCann/Jak
I`d think there would be enough pace at the back to try it, whoever plays as the attacking left midfielder (Todd, Moffat or even McCann) can drift in, allowing Edwards to overlap. Comrie could sit a bit more as KRH would provide the width down the other side. With 3 attacking midfielders, no reason why they can`t move around more. At the moment we are very predictable.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:32
Really think McCann should have started the match.
He’s got pace.
He’s annoying to defenders and would close them down on the ball unlike Wighton.
All in all though, we definitely deserved a point but only have ourselves to blame with our lack of a clinical goal scorer.
Moffat was subbed way too early. He’s bubbling with confidence right now and while Matty Todd did well, I think there was space for both of them on the park.
It’s frustrating yes, but we do have real foundations in place at the club to progress next season and beyond.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:39
Moffat did absolutely nothing in the game except score. We were more of a threat once Todd came on.
We competed well but that was to be expected as we were the home side.
Otoo is very very raw, and loses alot of aerial battles for someone so big. He also performs so well one second and then just gives it away. He will defo improve going forward and this extended run in the side will serve him well.
Where as Hamilton wins more than his height would suggest.
All in all the result was to be expected.
But I`m very upbeat and positive about the direction the club is taking. We will have something to play for come the end of the season and if this team can stay together for a couple of years they will have a good chance of winning a trophy 🏆
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:44
I wouldn`t put the first goal totally down to Mehmet. He did the most important part in saving the ball, but our defence just stood still while Fotherigham reacted. Pretty sure other way round, neither Wighton or McCann would`ve done the same.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:45
I feel the lack of goals is down to a lack of clear-cut chances rather than poor finishing. I felt that last season too. Our build-up play is good at times but so often the final ball lacks accuracy or the wrong option is taken. When the strikers get so few chances it`s inevitable their misses get highlighted.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 11 Nov 11:05
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 11 Nov 10:45
I feel the lack of goals is down to a lack of clear-cut chances rather than poor finishing. I felt that last season too. Our build-up play is good at times but so often the final ball lacks accuracy or the wrong option is taken. When the strikers get so few chances it`s inevitable their misses get highlighted.
100% agree it`s always Wighton that gets picked on but how many times does Edwards get into a really good crossing position and the produce nothing.
The lack of chances that we create was the same issue the last time we were in the championship and you could argue at home last season we had the same issues
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Topic Originator: yorkiepar
Date: Sat 11 Nov 11:17
Middleton and McMann were two of the most influential players on the park, what with the consistency of excellent crosses. We just don`t have that at the moment. I`m sure that it`s something that management are working on though.
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Sat 11 Nov 11:19
Post Edited (Sat 11 Nov 11:19)
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 11 Nov 11:33
Looking at Jakubiak`s chance again I can`t believe McCann wasn`t screaming at him for the ball. He had an easy tap in. As many have already claimed, we need a goal scorer.
I think the criticism on Wighton is harsh though. I thought he played well yesterday and made an intelligent header for Moffat`s goal
Post Edited (Sat 11 Nov 11:34)
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Sat 11 Nov 11:44
In that system he`s completely isolated most of the time.
What`s the point in a smart player like Wighton when we play in a way he never gets the ball?
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 11 Nov 13:41
far too easy to play against, dont create many chances never mind clear cut chances but lets keep doing the same things and expect different results.
going back to concussion subs, they are covered in the SPFL rules although reading through it im not sure we should have been allowed that final change.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 11 Nov 13:52
Got to agree on the lack of quality on the wings, Edwards and comrie rarely put in a decent ball and when they do our strikers lack the anticipation or instinct to get in the right position means it’s an easy clearance. Same with corners, we’re never attacking the ball always under it…
Hopefully KRH can help a bit with this.
Hamilton, Moffat and Todd feels like our best midfield just now so once Todd up to speed that will hopefully give us legs, steel and creativity in there.
Not sure we’ll have any budget to bring anyone in, in January unless someone leaves so we’ll need to go with what we have. Here’s hoping Todd and Moffat can continue chipping in with goals or we’ll continue to look half decent right up until the final third and with us continuing to gift goals we’ll struggle for wins.
Who knows maybe we’ll just persevere the way it and it will eventually click a bit better.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 11 Nov 14:03
The way some folk go on you`d think we were marooned at the bottom of the league.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sat 11 Nov 14:43
Thought Sharp might have done better for the winner but credit to Mochrie his dip of the shoulder to make space for his shot was class. I thought the Pars played really well outside of a few individual errors. They move the ball from defence to attack really well but like every one has said all season they need to be more clinical. Get that sorted and the Pars will be a force to be reckoned with.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 11 Nov 14:50
@Berkey
I refuse to believe we don`t have any budget to sign anyone in January. As it has been said many times before, we are amongst the best supported teams in the league, with good season ticket sales and income from Nisbet`s transfer to Millwall.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 11 Nov 14:54
I`m loving all these in-depth analytical posts when we lose. Would be nice to see the same level of detail when we win.
Fat chance
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 11 Nov 15:03
We`re 4 wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats against the "bottom 8", so I think we`ll be alright.
I think our tally is slightly skewed by having only played 11 matches, with 4 of them against the best two sides.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 Nov 15:13
I think there`s a lot of positives to take from the club right now.
We`ve got a good team of lads who seem genuinely interested in playing for the jersey rather than the money
We`ve finally got things moving at the academy site
We`re probably exactly where we should be this season and can build on this.
All of these things make the club more attractive to players.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 11 Nov 17:16
Quote:
weemike, Sat 11 Nov 10:39
Moffat did absolutely nothing in the game except score. We were more of a threat once Todd came on.
This is hilarious...except score.. - 3 goals in 2 games
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 11 Nov 17:26
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Sat 11 Nov 17:16
Quote:
weemike, Sat 11 Nov 10:39
Moffat did absolutely nothing in the game except score. We were more of a threat once Todd came on.
This is hilarious...except score.. - 3 goals in 2 games
Except he is right. He is talking solely about last night`s game. Moffat was anonymous and about to get hooked when he scored. Todd gave us a new dimension when he came on.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 11 Nov 17:53
Personally I think it`s unfair to criticise Edwards. If his deliveries were consistently good he wouldn`t be with us cause his game is pretty strong otherwise. I would love to see Comrie carry the same threat but with KRH back I think we can do ok. I`m looking forward to seeing what Matty will bring to the midfield in this division. It will be interesting to see how the manager decides to play with him, Chalmers and an in form Moffat to pick from.
As for Wotherspoon he seems to be making a difference at ICT but that`s not to say he would have fitted in here any more than Bene could have gone elsewhere and been a flop.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 11 Nov 18:07
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Sat 11 Nov 15:03
We`re 4 wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats against the "bottom 8", so I think we`ll be alright.
I think our tally is slightly skewed by having only played 11 matches, with 4 of them against the best two sides.
That`s cheered me up no end. 🙂
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 11 Nov 18:57
We look like a top 4 side and will have a better 2nd half of the season once we have the injured players back to give us more options.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 11 Nov 23:01
Todd playing in front of two holding midfielders will hopefully bridge the gap to whoever is up front and compensate for for lack of a proper old school centre forward.
Wighton picks up good positions but often has to drop in much deeper to get the ball than you`d like as a lone striker. Reminds me a wee bit of Michael Moffat in that respect. Clever player but never going to be an out and out striker IMO.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sun 12 Nov 00:45
When I played, going in with your feet, and even worse studs up to a keeper on the ground was a yellow, possibly a red. Just ignored by all, bad refereeing.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sun 12 Nov 00:55
Quote:
CrossPar, Sat 11 Nov 17:26
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nick_dafc1, Sat 11 Nov 17:16
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weemike, Sat 11 Nov 10:39
Moffat did absolutely nothing in the game except score. We were more of a threat once Todd came on.
This is hilarious...except score.. - 3 goals in 2 games
Except he is right. He is talking solely about last night`s game. Moffat was anonymous and about to get hooked when he scored. Todd gave us a new dimension when he came on.
Moffat gave us a goal....
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 12 Nov 02:01
And he might`ve gave us another one if he`d been kept on. Only needs to be given the ball thirty yards out and can carve his own opening.
Besides - when we had Matty and KRH on, I felt - now we`ve got almost our best team - we`re in with a chance of winning. I`d have felt even more optimistic with Moffat on. I`m not gonna say who should`ve gone off, but I think we could have done it without weakening our defence.
Can`t wait for the day when we have Bene, KRH, Matty, Moffat and Lewis all on and playing well. The rest of our team is pretty dependable, I`m just thinking of central defence, plus the cohesion Bene brings - and getting more goals.
Post Edited (Sun 12 Nov 02:10)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sun 12 Nov 08:45
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Sat 11 Nov 23:01
Todd playing in front of two holding midfielders will hopefully bridge the gap to whoever is up front and compensate for for lack of a proper old school centre forward.
Wighton picks up good positions but often has to drop in much deeper to get the ball than you`d like as a lone striker. Reminds me a wee bit of Michael Moffat in that respect. Clever player but never going to be an out and out striker IMO.
I like Craig Wighton I agree he is a clever player and kotcan out and out striker. Its hard to see where goals are going to come from if not the midfield. McCann still needs time to develop. He works hard for sure he is a big lad but needs to be more controlled and direct with his aggression and drive at defences in my view.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 12 Nov 20:09
Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par like
Date: Sat 11 Nov 10:14
Yes, that`s my concern as well Wee Eck, not sure we are aggressive or attacking enough with the current 3-4-2-1 when the central pair are Chalmers and Allan. We can keep the ball neatly at times, as have done in both Friday games, but there isn`t much genuine threat.
Could Matty Todd be used as a box to box central midfielder beside one of Chalmers/Allan? Or do we move Hamilton into midfield and play a back 4, something like:
Mehmet
Edwards
Otoo
Fisher
Comrie
Chalmers
Hamilton
Todd
Moffat
KRH
Wighton/McCann/Jak
Chalmers and Hamilton in middle does not work. They have both been subbed before Half time in two games and got completely roasted at Firhill..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: halbe
Date: Mon 13 Nov 18:29
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Sat 11 Nov 17:16
Quote:
weemike, Sat 11 Nov 10:39
Moffat did absolutely nothing in the game except score. We were more of a threat once Todd came on.
We might have looked more of threat but that meant nothing in the end and the only real threat to United and Morton was Moffat.
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