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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 25 Mar 14:54
The thread about the Blue Brazil got me thinking about the S. American version, that managed to beat the Three Lions at Wembley on Saturday. Vinicius Jnr. almost made Kyle Walker look one paced. š Three questions for the dotnet anoraks;
1. Is Vinicius Jnr the fastest footballer still playing?
2. Who is thought to be the fastest footballer ever?
3. Who is the fastest Pars player ever? (I can think of a few contenders.)
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 25 Mar 14:57
3 .
It wasn`t Ivo den bieman was it ? š¤£
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:01
3 - Simon Wiles
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:01
Quote:
widtink, Mon 25 Mar 14:57
3 .
It wasn`t Ivo den bieman was it ? š¤£
Maybe when he flew on Concorde, tiddlywink. š
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:10
Kenny Thomson? Did he not take part in the Powderhall Sprint at one time?
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:11
Kenny Thomson ? He might have run in the Powderhall sprint back in the day .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:12
Quote:
Zimbo, Mon 25 Mar 15:10
Kenny Thomson? Did he not take part in the Powderhall Sprint at one time?
Well done Zimbo . You outsprinted me there š
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:19
1. Not sure - but Micky Van de Ven at Spurs is ludicrously fast. I`d back him in a footrace v Walker. I think Walker was carrying a bit of an injury v Brazil, so I wouldn`t place much emphasis on that drill. Martinelli at Arsenal is also lightning quick - especially when carrying the ball.
2. As above - Given the advances in sports science/conditioning etc. I`d say that that today`s fastest players are probably the fastest ever. I`ve no evidence for that though. That said - the original Ronaldo, pre injuries, was absurdly quick
3. Simon Wiles was super fast - but I don`t remember much of him other than his lightning speed.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:32
Is MFW not also a sprinter?
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:38
Whilst on the subject.....
Kane Ritchie-Hosler has a running technique that looks almost casual at times but is deceptively fast. I think more than one full-back has been fooled by it.
ā.........it aināt over till the Pars score!ā
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:39
Wasn`t Malcolm Macdonald pretty quick back in the day?
George McNeill was fast - gave up football for athletics in the days when the Olympics were still notionally amateur.
Kenny Thomson is the name that sprung to mind when mentioning Pars players.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:40
Francisco `Paco` Gento who played for Real Madrid and Spain in the 50s and 60s must have had a claim to being the fastest footballer of all time.
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:41
I think Aaron Labonte was marked as,the fastest during JC`s time at the club. I reckon Burchill will be up there too and I wouldn`t be shocked if currently Comrie is the fastest (pre injury). Honorable mentions for Freddy Daquin and Chris McGroarty.
Theo Walcott surely has to be mentioned? And perhaps Michael Owen?
Ep.16 of East End Tales is out now with Steven Mill
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/14949749
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:44
Is it not acceleration that is more important than average speed. Messiās acceleration was fast.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:47
Of the current crop I`d say Mbappe seems pretty quick.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Mon 25 Mar 15:49
Gareth Bale has to be up there (when in his prime).
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 25 Mar 16:29
Quote:
Zimbo, Mon 25 Mar 15:10
Kenny Thomson? Did he not take part in the Powderhall Sprint at one time?
KT was one of three ex-Pars that sprang to my mind. I think he won the Powderhall Sprint, perhaps more than once. He was a regular at EEP before Covid but haven`t seen him since. I`m fairly sure some dotnetters will be pals of his. Maybe one of them can help?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Mon 25 Mar 17:14
I don`t think KT ever won the actual Powderhall Sprint. He might have won a subsidiary footballers` race?
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Mon 25 Mar 17:33
There was a pretty fast winger/centre forward played a few games for Central Coast Mariners in Aus, scoring twice - apparently had trained with Dortmund and Stromsgodset too.
What was his name? Usain somethingā¦
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Mon 25 Mar 17:43
I remember reading somewhere that Theo Walcott was faster than most professional sprinters but only for the first few strides.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 25 Mar 17:47
Mbappe and Haaland are very quick in their full flow. Vini Jnr absolutely Kyle Walker a couple of years back at club level to show his true pace!
The best ones are the ones that can sprint, then slow their pace to draw a defender, then go again at the click of a button. Leaving defenders on their heels is a great look, and Messi used to sit people down constantly.
Post Edited (Mon 25 Mar 17:48)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 25 Mar 17:50
I think Arthur Duncan beat Kenny Thomson to claim the fastest footballer honour in the 70s?
He was still very fast when I played against him in his latter years at Hibs !
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Mon 25 Mar 17:50)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 25 Mar 17:51
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Mon 25 Mar 17:14
I don`t think KT ever won the actual Powderhall Sprint. He might have won a subsidiary footballers` race?
Yeah, I should have made that clear. There was a race open only to pro footballers. In my defence, the thread title does suggest that. š
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 25 Mar 18:00
"Francisco `Paco` Gento who played for Real Madrid and Spain in the 50s and 60s must have had a claim to being the fastest footballer of all time."
Seconded - a flying machine - and 6 European Cup winner medals, with 2 runner up gongs !!!
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Mon 25 Mar 18:44
Freddie Daquin was rapid was he not?
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Mon 25 Mar 18:48
I heard the pieās and bridies are pretty fast in the Norrie.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Mon 25 Mar 18:54
3. I remember Mark Williams as being fast, and sometimes he took the ball with him ...
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Mon 25 Mar 18:58
Quote:
neilholland999, Mon 25 Mar 15:49
Gareth Bale has to be up there (when in his prime).
^^^ Got to agree with this. Mohammed Salah also ā”šØ
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: NikNakPar
Date: Mon 25 Mar 19:34
Not sure on fastest pars player but slowest has to be Jim Hamilton. Ran like he was pulling a tank
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Mon 25 Mar 21:05
Not as slow as John Clark, although he did have an extremely powerful shot on him!
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Mon 25 Mar 23:08
There was a Dane who played in England in the noughties called Dennis Rommedahl who was unofficially crowned fastest in the premier league at the time.
Fastest Iāve seen in the flesh has to be Didier Agathe. Seem to remember him playing for Rovers before moving up the way, possibly via Hibs to Celtic?
Was Mark Smith not a bit nippy?
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Topic Originator: ballingrypar
Date: Tue 26 Mar 00:04
kenny thomson was fast, but mark williams wow
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Topic Originator: dickandbert
Date: Tue 26 Mar 03:00
Davey Moyes had deceptive pace. He was even slower than he looked.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 26 Mar 05:35
Sandy Clarkās pace when played for us against Motherwell could be described as malingering.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 26 Mar 08:14
Quote:
Stanza, Mon 25 Mar 18:54
3. I remember Mark Williams as being fast, and sometimes he took the ball with him ...
Cruel, but funny. I thought the same about Mark Smith. He was the 2nd Par I had in mind. I`d forgotten about Williams.
The 3rd supersonic Par I had in mind was a winger in the 60s.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Mar 09:48
As a slight aside, I`d say we have more pace in our current squad than we have had for some time. Edwards, Todd, Jakubiak, O`Halloran and KRH can all show a clean pair of heels given the chance. MFW has a deceptive, loping style but also covers the ground quickly.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Tue 26 Mar 10:55
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 26 Mar 09:48
As a slight aside, I`d say we have more pace in our current squad than we have had for some time. Edwards, Todd, Jakubiak, O`Halloran and KRH can all show a clean pair of heels given the chance. MFW has a deceptive, loping style but also covers the ground quickly.
MFW was a sprint champion at youth level we`ve probably not seen him leave 2nd gear, there was a through ball against utd when he was a stride behind the striker and 2 seconds later was first to the ball,
Signing him must be priority number 1 for the board imo
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Tue 26 Mar 11:46
fastest footballer i remember for pars was welsh guy from navy mark something cant remember his second name just couldnt finish or could have ben good player
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Mar 11:50
Mark Williams as mentioned above, donnie.
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Tue 26 Mar 23:39
What was the name of that player (we ****) who was really fast shifting from East end to tannadice to sign for them instead of us.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 26 Mar 23:49
Fraser Aird? He`s now in Canada which is where he was born.
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Wed 27 Mar 08:18
McMillan?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 27 Mar 09:01
I`m surprised no senior Pars fan has had a stab at my teaser about a flying Pars winger from the 60s. Sammer would have named him in a flash, but he hasn`t posted on here for a couple of months or so. I hope he`s OK. Folk didn`t always agree with his views on Off Topic, but his historical football knowledge is unrivalled on dotnet. Our very own Bob Crampsey. š
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Wed 27 Mar 09:25
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 27 Mar 09:01
I`m surprised no senior Pars fan has had a stab at my teaser about a flying Pars winger from the 60s. Sammer would have named him in a flash, but he hasn`t posted on here for a couple of months or so. I hope he`s OK. Folk didn`t always agree with his views on Off Topic, but his historical football knowledge is unrivalled on dotnet. Our very own Bob Crampsey. š
Jim Gillespie?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 27 Mar 09:33
Jackie Sinclair ?
I mind Mark Williams debut at EEP - he went through the opposition defence like a flash, what a first 45 minutes - not bad in the second half either.
He was a PTI in the Royal Navy at HMS Caledonia and had to get permission to turn out for the Pars, presumably as an amateur.
He actually approached the club with a request for a trial - not sure why he faded away, possibly his duties interfered ?
Post Edited (Wed 27 Mar 09:39)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 27 Mar 09:43
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 27 Mar 09:01
I`m surprised no senior Pars fan has had a stab at my teaser about a flying Pars winger from the 60s. Sammer would have named him in a flash, but he hasn`t posted on here for a couple of months or so. I hope he`s OK. Folk didn`t always agree with his views on Off Topic, but his historical football knowledge is unrivalled on dotnet. Our very own Bob Crampsey. š
Aye, I am a bit worried regarding the Sammer situation
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 27 Mar 10:31
It was Jackie Sinclair I was thinking of, well done, VEE. I remember him almost single-handedly destroying Rangers before being transferred to Leicester City. Jim Gillespe was a good shout, Cross Par. I think he arrived at the end of that decade. He fits in nicely with Mark Williams and Mark Smith in that he was sometimes too fast for his own good and the ball would be left behind. š
Players of that ilk need to have the ball played well in front of them rather than to their feet, so that they can easily outrun their opponents.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Wed 27 Mar 11:03
I vaguely remember at Wembley they had a charity race (100m?) between all the fastest players respresenting each club every year. Might have been before the Charity Shield?
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Post Edited (Wed 27 Mar 11:03)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 27 Mar 18:48
Stephen Simmons has to be in with a shout of fastest former Par
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Wed 27 Mar 18:49
Quote:
Andrew283, Wed 27 Mar 18:48
Stephen Simmons has to be in with a shout of fastest former Par
I think Willo Flood wins that.
Ep.16 of East End Tales is out now with Steven Mill
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/14949749
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Wed 27 Mar 18:57
Ted McMinn š¤£š¤£
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Topic Originator: manic preacher
Date: Wed 27 Mar 20:25
If I remember correctly Jim Gillespie was pretty quick.
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Topic Originator: Parahandy
Date: Wed 27 Mar 21:38
From Sunday Post - Many would nominate Arthur Duncan.
The Hibsā winger was nicknamed āNijinskyā andāThe Flying Scotsmanā because of his incredible speed down the wing. But he couldnāt beat a defender from Fife. For two consecutive years, Kenny Thomson of Dunfermline was o!cially crowned as Scotlandās speediest player.
He believes his pace helped him have a 22-year career.
He recalls: āIn 1975 they held the Scottish ProfessionalFootballersāSprintCham- pionship.
āI think we may have had run- o"s to see who was quickest at the club before I was nominated to take part.
āI beat Arthur Duncan over the 75- yard dash with a time of 8.65 seconds.
āThe following year we ran in front of 12,000 people at Meadowbank Stadium, Edinburgh as part of an athletics meeting.
āPeople had come to see David Hemery in the hurdles and Scotlandās George McNeill took part in a professional sprint race.ā
As well as Arthur Duncan, Kenny ( right) was up against Peter Marinello (Motherwell), Paul Wilson (Celtic), Rab Prentice (Hearts) and Jim Denny (Rangers).
He again triumphed and collected the Ā£200 first prize.
āI was quite confident of winning because Iād taken part in a race at Selkirk the week before and won Ā£ 300,ā says Kenny. āQuite a few local businessmen won a few quid by having a bet on me.
āRunning in the event at Meadowbank was a great thrill.ā Kennyās speed was clearly in the genes. He reveals: āMy dad was a professional sprinter before the War. He was one of the favourites to win the famous Powderhall New Year Sprint but had to go o" to fight.
āHe was a prisoner of war for five years and didnāt have the same speed when he came back.
āBu t he used to coach me and his Dunfermline United team won the Under-16 Scottish Cup.
āMy dad would give me a training regime to follow during the summer which certainly made pre-season a bit easier.
āHaving that speed helped me when I became a professional player.
āI wouldnāt say I was the greatest tackler but I could always catch my opponent if they tried to knock the ball past me. āI was never quick enough to consider a switch to athletics.
āAllan Wells could give me a 10 yard start and still beat me.ā
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 27 Mar 21:42
Thanks, Parahandy. It was in the back of my mind that Kenny beat Duncan. That was the event I was thinking of
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981
Date: Wed 27 Mar 22:39
George McNeil awday long he was beating Olympic champions for fun
Alan Moore was rapid
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Thu 28 Mar 07:00
Yes, Kenny Thompson took part in a footballers sprint at Powederhall. Kenny dad was a sprint coach for a group of professional sprinters who trained out at Townhill, I believe.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 28 Mar 08:42
Quote:
Bazzler1981, Wed 27 Mar 22:39
George McNeil awday long he was beating Olympic champions for fun
Alan Moore was rapid
George had a great pub in Tranent!š»š„
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 28 Mar 10:37
Im sure that Josh Coley we had on loan the other year from Norwich was rapid - a shame he couldnt do anything else though!
Martin Boyle was quickest in Scotland for a while, not sure if he still is or not.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Thu 28 Mar 11:11
Ivan Sproule was the name that came to my mind in Scottish football.
Van de Ven became the fastest recorded PL player ever recently at 37.8km/h.Walker is 2nd-here is the list of the fastest 10 recorded
https://www.premierleague.com/news/3884168
Post Edited (Thu 28 Mar 11:15)
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Topic Originator: John-Boy
Date: Thu 28 Mar 21:18
Was there not a player we had on loan from Arsenal who was rapid? I seem to recall his lack of ability weighed up against āwell he was the second fastest in the Arsenal teamā
Think it was Grondin (sp).
Do you think I'm the man?
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