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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 19 Jun 19:03
Mmmmmm ? Negative
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 19 Jun 19:04
Must not lose game
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Wed 19 Jun 19:04
And Kenny McLean on in the 70th minute
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Wed 19 Jun 19:26
Ralston gulp…..3 nil Switzerland….Injuries have hit us hard.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 19 Jun 19:36
That’s the spirit folks!
Mon Scotland Getintaethum!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 19 Jun 19:57
What a horrible Scottish strip.
Are they going for the worst anthem/strip double?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:14
Goalllllllllll
Scotland 🏴
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:21
Does that mean we have the joint top scorer in the tournament so far?
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:30
Shambles from Ralston. He passed it to Shakiri. No pressure on him suicide pass.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:30
Brilliant finish mind you
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:31
"Ralston gulp…..3 nil Switzerland….Injuries have hit us hard. "
There must be someone in the crowd that could do a better job...
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Topic Originator: usurpar
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:31
I can’t watch any more. Scotland are dire at the back, nowhere near good enough to even try playing out from defence. That was at least the third time they’ve failed to clear and it was only a matter of time before the Swiss caught them out. Back to the drawing board….
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:33
No excuse for Ralston but an absolute hospital pass from Hanley just before it under no pressure.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:33
How bad are we?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: PansPar
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:36
It looks like being another long night. Despite how we played in qualifying we look very out of place at this tournament - can`t string more than 2-3 passes together, launching high balls up to McGinn and Adams, lots of individual errors. Still hope tonight, but it`s tough to watch.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:49
McGinn. Invincible.
Commentators saying much much better, which is true, but it is still dreadful.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:53
This is some of the most honking football I’ve ever seen from Scotland. It’s definitely the worst defending. We are lucky to be even drawing. It’s not looking good. I hope I’m wrong.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:56
Two touches from kick off and out for a Swiss thrown in !!!
Later Robertson has the ball in the left corner - then it’s played backwards al the way to Gunn !!!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:57
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 19 Jun 20:56
Two touches from kick off and out for a Swiss thrown in !!!
Later Robertson has the ball in the left corner - then it’s played backwards all the way to Gunn !!!
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:59
Why is McTominay taking corners?
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:00
Quote:
Parboiled, Wed 19 Jun 20:59
Why is McTominay taking corners?
Pretty sure he always takes them.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:01
I think we have competed, were doing OK until the goal then looked shaky. Started to get a hold of the ball towards the end.
But they have targeted Ralston now as the weak link, which he is, so he needs sent home
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:02
It`s madness though - he`s such a threat in the air.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:03
Class finish from Shakira ...
Those hips don`t lie 🤣
Admin
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:03
We are sore on the eyes
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Topic Originator: PansPar
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:06
I was just wondering the same - McTominay is usually our biggest threat in the air, so it`s strange not to have him in there.
Fingers crossed for a bit more composure second half 🤞
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:23
Should have gone 4 at back when Tierney when off and brought Christie or Forrest on. Clarke is joke.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:55
Substitutions should have been on 10 mins earlier.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:57
Decent second half. Ralston much better. Tierney injury is an utter disaster. Hickey, Ferguson and Tierney are 3 top class players that we have lost
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:58
Quote:
doctordandruff, Wed 19 Jun 21:57
Decent second half. Ralston much better. Tierney injury is an utter disaster. Hickey, Ferguson and Tierney are 3 top class players that we have lost
Ralston was argubly the weakest link tonight.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:59
Swiss are in the top 20 in the world and consistent qualifiers. Cut the guys some slack, can you even imagine the pressure they`re under?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:59
No Scot has scored for us yet !!!
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Wed 19 Jun 21:59
We are better when either Tierney or Robertson is unavailable. Brilliant players but the whole team shouldn’t revolve round squeezing them both in.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:02
Quote:
General Zod, Wed 19 Jun 21:59
We are better when either Tierney or Robertson is unavailable. Brilliant players but the whole team shouldn’t revolve round squeezing them both in.
You mean like the Denmark, Norway and Spain matches, our 3 best performances in the past few years?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:04
I don`t know what some of you expect.
We are 39th in the world rankings, and we just came within a post width of beating the team ranked 19th.
Following a sore gubbing just a few days ago I think we lifted ourselves and put on a good performance.
We lost our way a bit after a terrible lapse for their equaliser, but we went for it in the second half and nearly got the win.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:09
Think a point was fair, they were close to nicking a goal on the break and should`ve scored a header near the end. Hanley hit the post. Hungary won`t be easy but they are absolutely beatable with a showing like tonight
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:09
McTominay has now been credited with the goal.
You`ve got to remember we are the lowest-rated team in the group so every game`s a real challenge at this level. We could have caved in after conceding that goal but the overall stats aren`t too bad. There were close things at both ends.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:10
Solid performance but a bit shaky at the back early on. It`s important to be on the front foot from the kick off. It`s a result and we are still in the competition.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:11
We’re still in with a shout of getting through.
Shankland and Christie should have been on a lot earlier.
Ralson was a bombscare in the first half, slightly better in the second.
Roll on Sunday.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:26
Fairly solid game. Unlucky not to sneak a win. The Swiss are dangerous in attack but we made plenty chances ourselves. A bit like the watching the Pars, I would`ve liked to see us take some more shots from outside the box.
Concerning potential injury going into the final game.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:35
Not good with Tierney being stretchered off.
Enjoyed the game but wish Shanks and Christie were on earlier.
On to Sunday!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:40
Just chuffed they made a game of it. Give the guys credit they pushed one of the serial knock out stage teams all the way and bear in mind the injuries they`ve had to deal with.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:51
They did alright, I thought the Clarke fist pump at the end was a bit naff, think that’s the format of the tournament to blame for that, not a fan of allowing teams who finish third in a group of four to qualify.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 19 Jun 21:59
No Scot has scored for us yet !!!
Not true now.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 19 Jun 23:02
Quote:
Berry, Wed 19 Jun 22:51
They did alright, I thought the Clarke fist pump at the end was a bit naff, think that’s the format of the tournament to blame for that, not a fan of allowing teams who finish third in a group of four to qualify.
I kind of agree but we knew 3rd was the place to be had we lost the opening game. Clark knew this was on the table and he’s planned on 4 points to get us through the group.
We now know the script and a must win on Sunday.
I kind of prefer knowing we must win now than hoping for a draw as we usually bottle it.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Wed 19 Jun 23:06
Agree PARrot. Much better performance and a pity to give away a goal like that. Starting with Gilmour helped, although I would have liked to have seen Shankland given a bit more than just a few minutes. A draw would probably been fair but we were so close to scoring that second. The Tartan Army`s support and singing was great.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Wed 19 Jun 23:12
Probably did enough to deserve a point from it. First half was pretty poor and generally frustrating - like Friday, we just couldn`t cope with the press and rarely got anywhere. Again, the risk of pushing on in the first half was too great, and Clarke obviously knows that the players he has there are not at the level of a decent interational side. It`s not his fault and it`s not their fault - he`s just trying to find a decent balance that doesn`t leave us wide open. However, what was really annoying was that when we did have a chance to do something in the first half, we often made basic mistakes which just kept the pressure on us.
Second half was better, as I thought it would be. Once their press died off a bit around 55-60 mins it was quite an even game with us probably having slightly more of the play from then on. If Switzerland had scored again to win 2-1 it wouldn`t have been underserved, but it was a good second half effort to get through the game and get a point.
It was quite interesting watching the Switzerland press. They didn`t do it constantly - sometimes they eased off and allowed us some time on the ball, but they switched it on quickly when we played into an area where it would work for them. That meant they were able to maintain the intensity of it for a bit longer than they would had they pressed all the time.
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Thu 20 Jun 03:02
Against the Swiss, the same players (15) were on the field who had played against the Germans (other than Porteous). With Tierney out, that reduced the group to 14. Does someone else play against Hungary?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Jun 08:35
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 19 Jun 22:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 19 Jun 21:59
No Scot has scored for us yet !!!
Not true now.
Not that it matters one way or another - but if that was not an OG I don’t know what is.
Some commentators were saying a deflection - that’s another new definition.
The goal v Germany was a misplaced pass back !!!
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 20 Jun 08:43
Shaqiri and ex teammate Robertson had a reunion hug at the end…he scored some great goals for Liverpool too.
Our bad luck he was the old fox loitering with intent when Ralston slipped up…what a sublime finish though
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Jun 10:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Jun 08:35
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 19 Jun 22:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 19 Jun 21:59
No Scot has scored for us yet !!!
Not true now.
Not that it matters one way or another - but if that was not an OG I don’t know what is.
Some commentators were saying a deflection - that’s another new definition.
The goal v Germany was a misplaced pass back !!!
Any goal thats come from a shot on target should be credited to the shooter. Doesnt matter how it ends up in the net, its on target. Anything heading for the post or wide should be an own goal. Always been the case.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 20 Jun 11:06
In some ways our goal was more of a defensive error than theirs was. It would have been a simple save for Sommer to make if the defender hadn`t intervened unnecessarily. Shaqiri had a lot to do after latching on to Ralston`s horrific back-pass and many players might have fluffed the chance. Most goals involve some kind of error or misjudgement and there have been plenty in this tournament so far.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Jun 11:17
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Jun 10:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Jun 08:35
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 19 Jun 22:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 19 Jun 21:59
No Scot has scored for us yet !!!
Not true now.
Not that it matters one way or another - but if that was not an OG I don’t know what is.
Some commentators were saying a deflection - that’s another new definition.
The goal v Germany was a misplaced pass back !!!
Any goal thats come from a shot on target should be credited to the shooter. Doesnt matter how it ends up in the net, its on target. Anything heading for the post or wide should be an own goal. Always been the case.
The keeper was ready to make the save - then it was “deflected” by his own defender.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 20 Jun 11:52
Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Thu 20 Jun 03:02
Against the Swiss, the same players (15) were on the field who had played against the Germans (other than Porteous). With Tierney out, that reduced the group to 14. Does someone else play against Hungary?
I doubt very much if safety first super cautious Clarke will change much.
The Hungarians have nothing to lose as even a win for them might not be enough. I expect them to have a very attacking line up and they have looked good at times.
I would love to see Conway and Morgan play as these two have genuine pace, something that we have lacked.
I am sure it will be more or less the same team and tactics from SC.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 20 Jun 13:02
I think Shankland would get the nod ahead of Conway and Forrest would edge out Morgan but I`d be surprised if any of these players start the game.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 20 Jun 13:28
Shankland will get the nod ahead of Conway.
We need pace in the team if we are going to hurt Hungary on the break. Conway has pace, Shankland doesn’t.
Post Edited (Thu 20 Jun 13:28)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Jun 16:07
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Jun 11:17
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Jun 10:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 20 Jun 08:35
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 19 Jun 22:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 19 Jun 21:59
No Scot has scored for us yet !!!
Not true now.
Not that it matters one way or another - but if that was not an OG I don’t know what is.
Some commentators were saying a deflection - that’s another new definition.
The goal v Germany was a misplaced pass back !!!
Any goal thats come from a shot on target should be credited to the shooter. Doesnt matter how it ends up in the net, its on target. Anything heading for the post or wide should be an own goal. Always been the case.
The keeper was ready to make the save - then it was “deflected” by his own defender.
Yes but the shot was on target and there was no way of knowing if the keeper wouldn’t have made the same kind of error - which wouldn’t be an own goal either. Hence why McTominay was awarded it.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 20 Jun 19:29
Sommer had it covered for a comfortable save until Schar "assisted" McTominay`s shot into the goal.
If a defender makes a deliberate attempt to play the ball but diverts it into his own net - that`s an OG in my book.
Other opinions differ obviously.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 21 Jun 15:19
Tierney is out of the tournament and on his way home to be assessed by Arsenal.
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Fri 21 Jun 15:21
It’s pretty clear now that 4 points will indeed be sufficient to get to knockout round. So it’s win or go home on Sunday.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Fri 21 Jun 15:31
Quote:
USMac, Fri 21 Jun 15:21
It’s pretty clear now that 4 points will indeed be sufficient to get to knockout round. So it’s win or go home on Sunday.
Not strictly true, there is a scenario where 2 points would be enough. Albeit I’m praying for a win.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 21 Jun 16:13
Kdy Par wrote:
> Quote:
USMac, Fri 21 Jun 15:21
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> It’s pretty clear now that 4 points will indeed be sufficient
> to get to knockout round. So it’s win or go home on
> Sunday.
>
> Not strictly true, there is a scenario where 2 points would be
> enough. Albeit I’m praying for a win.
Yeah. If Albania and Croatia both lose their last game and say Poland and Austria draw this afternoon and then both lose their last game, then a draw against Hungary would take us through. Trouble is we’re not going to know this on Sunday, so we have to go for it.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 21 Jun 16:38
There`s no way we`re going through with 2 points. Our goal difference means there is literally zero chance.
Even a win might not be enough. Twice in this format, teams on 4 points haven`t qualified.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 21 Jun 17:02
If - for example - Albania, Croatia, Poland and Austria all finish with 1 point, then there’d be 2 third placed teams on 1 point. We’d then go through with a draw in third place on 2 points regardless of goal difference.
Not likely, but not zero chance either.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 21 Jun 17:41
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Fri 21 Jun 17:02
If - for example - Albania, Croatia, Poland and Austria all finish with 1 point, then there’d be 2 third placed teams on 1 point. We’d then go through with a draw in third place on 2 points regardless of goal difference.
Not likely, but not zero chance either.
I mean, it`s not going to happen is it? 3 points is the average for 3rd placed teams. To have 2 sitting on 1 point? Nah!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 21 Jun 17:54
We need it for Hungary to have nothing to play for, as it stands 3 points might get them through
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 21 Jun 18:01
DBA wrote:
> Quote:
Tad Allagash, Fri 21 Jun 17:02
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> If - for example - Albania, Croatia, Poland and Austria all
> finish with 1 point, then there’d be 2 third placed teams on
> 1 point. We’d then go through with a draw in third place on 2
> points regardless of goal difference.
>
> Not likely, but not zero chance either.
>
> I mean, it`s not going to happen is it? 3 points is the average
> for 3rd placed teams. To have 2 sitting on 1 point? Nah!
Well you’d certainly get very long odds on a team going through with 2 points, but Czech Republic and Georgia could also draw with each other and both lose their last game to have a third placed team on 1 point.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Fri 21 Jun 18:12
Quote:
DBA, Fri 21 Jun 16:38
There`s no way we`re going through with 2 points. Our goal difference means there is literally zero chance.
Even a win might not be enough. Twice in this format, teams on 4 points haven`t qualified.
Here’s what needs to happen, unlikely but not impossible.
https://x.com/scotlandscoeff1/status/1804179340885635552?s=46
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Fri 21 Jun 19:04
Two third-placed teams already have 3 pts and possibly a third if there’s a winner between Czechia and Georgia tomorrow. And we can be pretty sure that Slovenia isn’t going to lose to England by 4 goals. So I stick by my original statement.
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Topic Originator: USMac
Date: Sat 22 Jun 16:16
With the draw between Czechia and Georgia, if Scotland end up with 2 pts and -4 GD, you can bet that Croatia will finish just ahead by managing a draw against Italy and ending up with 2 pts and -3 GD.
The draw just now means that Hungary could qualify with a win tomorrow. That does not make them a more difficult opponent because I don’t believe in this instance they would have been an easy opponent if they had nothing to play for.
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