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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:14
I thought it might be a good idea to start a dedicated thread for the Euro24 final, rather than continue with Parboiled`s, which is rather narrower.
Few would argue that Spain have produced some of the best football of the tournament, even if they were a tad fortunate to scrape past Germany and they were out on their feet during the last 20 mins v France. By contrast, England have been largely lucky, cautious, dull and uninspiring, even if they improved considerably against the Dutch.
Will England`s luck hold for one more game, or will make their superior class tell?
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Sun 14 Jul 18:14)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:17
Spain for me based on current form.
Most pressing question is what channel to watch. I think I might watch BBC for the game and ITV for half time. I wish Sam Matterface and Rio were on the same channel.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:26
I wish Rio was on channel 972!
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:37
ipswichpar wrote:
> Spain for me based on current form.
>
> Most pressing question is what channel to watch. I think I
> might watch BBC for the game and ITV for half time. I wish Sam
> Matterface and Rio were on the same channel.
BBC: Guy Mowbray with Shearer on comms. Rio, Micah Richards, and Juan Mata in the studio.
ITV: Sam Matterface, Lee Dixon, Ally McCoist on comms. Neville, Keane, Mendieta, and Ian Wright in the studio.
Why ITV ditched Clive Tyldesley for Sam Matterface is a mystery.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:44
Who is the referee?
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:44
Spain would be the most worthy winners, they’ve been by far the best team and had the hardest route to the final.
On that basis…it’s going home isn’t it.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:51
Frenchman Francois Letexier is the ref.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:57
Cheers, TA.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:59
Why is this on BBC and ITV?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 14 Jul 18:59
Shaw starts in place of Trippier -
England XI: Pickford, Walker, Stones, Guehi, Saka, Mainoo, Rice, Shaw, Foden, Bellingham, Kane.
Subs: Alexander-Arnold, Trippier, Ramsdale, Konsa, Dunk, Gallagher, Toney, Gordon, Watkins, Bowen, Eze, Gomez, Henderson, Palmer, Wharton.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sun 14 Jul 19:03
If the ref is strong and decent then Spain win. If he is weak and easily rattled, England win
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 14 Jul 19:03
home team,Spain
Manager:
Luis de la Fuente
Formation:
4 - 2 - 3 - 1
Number
23,
Unai Simón
Number
24,
Marc Cucurella
Number
14,
Aymeric Laporte
Number
3,
Robin Le Normand
Number
2,
Dani Carvajal
Number
8,
Fabián Ruiz
Number
16,
Rodri
Number
17,
Nico Williams
Number
10,
Dani Olmo
Number
19,
Lamine Yamal
Number
7,
Álvaro Morata (c), Captain
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 14 Jul 19:28
Southgate will put every player behind the ball and hope for extra time/penalties.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 14 Jul 20:22
Williams seems very reluctant to take on Walker on the outside.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 14 Jul 20:22
Borefest already
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 14 Jul 20:43
Luke Shaw been very impressive so far.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 14 Jul 20:49
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 14 Jul 20:22
Borefest already
I’ve watched a lot worse. England much better with Shaw in the team.
Vamos
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 14 Jul 20:53
If Williams and Yamal could find their way out of the back pocket`s of Walker and Shaw then Spain might have a chance. As it is the Spanish are going to lose this because for all their possession they have never looked likely to score.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:02
It`s cagey but spain were one pass away from unlocking the door. It`s coming.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:04
Rodri off injured. Oh well, welcome home football, it`s been a while.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:05
Goal Espana!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:06
They fair jumped out those pockets...
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:07
They’re both young lads assist and goal scorer
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:14
Vamos
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:21
Watkins on now… he’s a great player when you think his goal tally and the team he plays for
Anyway don’t think one is likely to be enough for Spain
Post Edited (Sun 14 Jul 21:24)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:33
1-1
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:33
The breathtaking arrogance of the Spanish fans giving it the `ole` with twenty minutes to go. They must feel pretty stupid now.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:33
That was a great finish
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:34
Some game. Spain badly missing Rodri.
Southgate is a lucky manager. Forced into making changes, the changes he was not brave enough to start with
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:37
In fairness. Did Kane not just have an outstandingseason in Germany?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:40
I can`t stand Dickford but what a save at 1-0. He might even just won them the trophy.
Still a Tw*t tho
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:48
Thought the second Spanish goal might have been offside?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:49
Great save!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:51
This is so enjoyable
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:51
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 14 Jul 21:40
I can`t stand Dickford but what a save at 1-0. He might even just won them the trophy.
Still a Tw*t tho
Come on, I’d have saved that
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:53
A kneecap played him on!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:57
And we can all breath again!
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:58
So it’s not coming home then? Oh well.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:59
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 14 Jul 21:53
A kneecap played him on!
How quick are the var calls? Very good
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 14 Jul 21:59
Scotland were the worst team……England second worst. They were brutal……
Great seeing a bunch of old men dressed as Ivanhoe sick as pigs…..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sun 14 Jul 22:01
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 14 Jul 21:33
The breathtaking arrogance of the Spanish fans giving it the `ole` with twenty minutes to go. They must feel pretty stupid now.
I`m sure they`re feeling fine tbh
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sun 14 Jul 22:04
Quote:
desparado, Sun 14 Jul 21:59
Scotland were the worst team……England second worst. They were brutal……
Spain lost one game in the qualifiers mind.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 14 Jul 22:10
Only Rodri remains from the game at Hampden
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 14 Jul 22:14
Glorious. Absolutely fkn glorious
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 14 Jul 22:17
Good things come to those who wait, couldn’t have asked for much of a nicer way to see them lose.
Sleep easy for another couple of years!
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 14 Jul 22:20
I’m sure the police will have a busy night down south lol!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 14 Jul 22:22
The best team in the tournament doesn`t always win it but Spain are the most worthy winners of the Euros, well, since they won it in 2012. Spain will rightly be the favourites for the world cup in North America in two years time. A joy to watch when they are in full flow.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 14 Jul 23:44
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 14 Jul 22:10
Only Rodri remains from the game at Hampden
His tears that night were wonderful. Congratulations Spain, the best overall team and if they nurture him, Yamal is an absolutely special talent
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Topic Originator: Hay Fever
Date: Mon 15 Jul 00:00
7 games, 7 wins, best team won👏
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Mon 15 Jul 00:26
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 14 Jul 22:10
Only Rodri remains from the game at Hampden
Dani Carvajal played that night too. Kieran Tierney skinned him for McTominays 2nd goal.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 15 Jul 05:10
England made a decent game of it, but not even their most fanatical supporter can deny that Spain were worthy winners. It`s hard to escape the conclusion that those players often trumpeted as "world class" by the media have been clearly overhyped. Even without their midfield talisman, Rodri, in the second half, Spain proved to be too good for them. Even after England equalised, I felt confident Spain would find a winner.
You have to wonder if it`s ever coming home as successive "golden generations" keep coming up short......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 15 Jul 06:03
Anyone else think there is a passing resemblance of Cucurella to Dill the Dog?
Well done Spain, enjoyed that eventually
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Mon 15 Jul 07:44
Quote:
parsmad68, Mon 15 Jul 06:03
Anyone else think there is a passing resemblance of Cucurella to Dill the Dog?
Or Olmo and David Bingham?
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 15 Jul 10:43
Quote:
parsfan, Mon 15 Jul 07:44
Quote:
parsmad68, Mon 15 Jul 06:03
Anyone else think there is a passing resemblance of Cucurella to Dill the Dog?
Or Olmo and David Bingham?
I had to read that twice. I was thinking of Olmo and Dave Bingham being in the Herb garden at first, but then I realised you are right, Olmo does look like Dave Bingham’s love child 🤣
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 15 Jul 10:53
Are players like Bellingham and Foden as good as they are cracked up to be? They seem to me to flit in and out of games rather than dominate them. Is it maybe because, at their clubs, they are consistently playing with better players than when they are playing for England?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 15 Jul 11:00
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 15 Jul 10:53
Are players like Bellingham and Foden as good as they are cracked up to be? They seem to me to flit in and out of games rather than dominate them. Is it maybe because, at their clubs, they are consistently playing with better players than when they are playing for England?
I`m beginning to think this is the case
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 15 Jul 11:17
bellingham looked dead on his feet. Foden was poor. England managed to turn all the momentum in their favour with the equaliser but didnt go for it and bring in Gallagher/Gordon who could have brought even more freshness/energy.
Spain showed how to control possession and how to change tempo going into attack (something scotland couldnt do)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 15 Jul 11:24
Think that`s a bit harsh. You could level that accusation at many players who have enjoyed success at clubs but haven`t then replicated that success at international level. John McGinn didn`t perform very well at these euros yet he had a very good season for Villa. Were those good performances for Villa just down to being surrounded by better players than he has when he pulls on a Scotland jersey? Bernardo Silva plays for Man City on the opposite wing to Foden. Silva didn`t have a particularly good euros but we`ve seen him play incredibly well for City over the past few seasons. Or has he not played incredibly well for City and it`s just that he`s surrounded by top players and being coached by one of the all time greats at his club?
Just my opinion but I think that the top English players would be the top players for any other nation in the world if they were eligible for them.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 15 Jul 11:51
You haven`t really explained why Bellingham and Foden (and others) haven`t reproduced their club form for their country.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Mon 15 Jul 11:52
A lot of England`s bigger names were disappointing.
Kane, Foden, Bellingham and even Saka although he looked a lot better in the last couple of games.
I`d say their best two players overall were Guedhi and Rice - a centre back and a holding midfielder - which pretty much sums up Southgate`s defensive approach.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Mon 15 Jul 11:59
One difference is that their clubs play more on the front foot, rather than opening up and attacking once they are behind or to win a game in the last 10 minutes.
When Harry Kane played in these Euros England were almost playing the Craig Levein 4-6-0. Must be difficult as a midfielder to play a forward ball or have any space at all without anyone making runs ahead for an out ball or just to pull defenders around.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 15 Jul 12:25
I believe if you asked all the world class managers to pick a nation to manage for that tournament.
The top answers would be spain and England, that squad is phenomenal, and it is scary to think the likes of grealish and rashford were left at home.
A manager like klopp with his style would`ve won the euros with England at a canter.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 15 Jul 12:33
Grealish and Radford were left at home because of poor form at their clubs.
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Topic Originator: vasco
Date: Mon 15 Jul 13:03
Throughout the tournament England looked good when they went behind and started attacking teams. When they drew level they went on the defensive again. They had so many lucky breaks and were one of the worst teams to watch.
Hyped up by the media, worse than Ally McLeod team of 78.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 15 Jul 13:16
They do have some really exciting players but get found out when they play top teams managed by the best.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 15 Jul 14:34
I can only chuckle at all the comments re how bad England were, or how they get "Found out" when they play top sides.
They just finished runners up in the top European competition.
What chance does McPake and squad have with such critics?
Post Edited (Mon 15 Jul 14:35)
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 15 Jul 14:35
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 15 Jul 14:34
I can only chuckle at all the comments re how bad England were, or how they get "Found out" when they play top sides.
Why? Are you not allowed to tell the truth?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 15 Jul 14:37
Quote:
Kdy Par, Mon 15 Jul 14:35
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 15 Jul 14:34
I can only chuckle at all the comments re how bad England were, or how they get "Found out" when they play top sides.
Why? Are you not allowed to tell the truth?
I hadn`t finished the post. Fat fingers job. Had to edit.
You get that opinion isn`t truth right. It`s just opinion.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 15 Jul 14:43
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 15 Jul 14:37
Quote:
Kdy Par, Mon 15 Jul 14:35
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 15 Jul 14:34
I can only chuckle at all the comments re how bad England were, or how they get "Found out" when they play top sides.
Why? Are you not allowed to tell the truth?
I hadn`t finished the post. Fat fingers job. Had to edit.
You get that opinion isn`t truth right. It`s just opinion.
Everything in football other than the final result is opinion.
What is clear but not fact is England aren’t as good as they are made out to be.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Jul 15:16
Let`s be honest, England did well to get to the final in the first place. Whilst a good team, they had a fairly easy ride of it. They were "found out" because Spain had to battle past better teams and were therefore the better team in the final. Whilst you can only beat what`s in front of you, England weren`t convincing in their games.
As daft as it sounds, being the winner of a game doesn`t necessarily mean you were the better team and you can quickly get "found out". See our past season for an example! I just hope Falkirk get the same result this season (their fans think they`ll win the league because they beat Dundee Utd 😂).
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 15 Jul 15:26
They were hardly found out against Spain. They both gave each other an honest game. I would understand this view if Spain romped away with it last night, but they never.
Spain, however, looked to be the side with the most attacking intent and the fault for that lies with Southgate.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 15 Jul 16:01
"PARrot, Mon 15 Jul 14:34
I can only chuckle at all the comments re how bad England were, or how they get "Found out" when they play top sides."
Based on FIFA rankings and converting into
domestic positions England`s results over 90
minutes would have been
Spurs 1 Preston 0
Spurs 1 Leicester 1
Spurs O Exeter 0
Spurs 1 Portsmouth 1
Spurs 1 Burnley 1
Spurs 2 Newcastle 1
Spurs 1 Man Utd 2
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 16 Jul 03:37
Quote:
kelty_par, Mon 15 Jul 16:01
"PARrot, Mon 15 Jul 14:34
I can only chuckle at all the comments re how bad England were, or how they get "Found out" when they play top sides."
Based on FIFA rankings and converting into
domestic positions England`s results over 90
minutes would have been
Spurs 1 Preston 0
Spurs 1 Leicester 1
Spurs O Exeter 0
Spurs 1 Portsmouth 1
Spurs 1 Burnley 1
Spurs 2 Newcastle 1
Spurs 1 Man Utd 2
Pardon me for being a birdbrain, but I don`t have a clue what you are on about.
Anyhoo, am I right in saying that Spain was unbeaten in the entire competition, including qualifiers, except by one team?
Who was that now?
Post Edited (Tue 16 Jul 03:40)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 16 Jul 12:14
"Pardon me for being a birdbrain, but I don`t have a clue what you are on about."
If you replace FIFA rankings with English league placings for last season then you have
Man City = Argentina
Arsenal = France
Liverpool = Belgium
Aston Villa = Brazil
SPURS = ENGLAND
And so on down the ladder.
So England (Spurs equivalent) beat or drew with teams well below them in the rankings and then lost to a team just below them.
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