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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:05
Scotland are unchanged from the Poland game; Portugal have benched Ronaldo.
Portugal: Costa, Semedo, Dias, Silva, Mendes, Fernandes, Palhinha, Silva, Neto, Leao, Jota.
Scotland: Gunn, Ralston, Hanley, McKenna, Robertson, Gilmour, McLean, Christie, McTominay, McGinn, Dykes.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:13
Same team. Some managers just don’t like to change. Different opponents. Different challenge.
🤷
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sun 08 Sep 19:13)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:13
Is STV player the only way to watch, dreadful coverage!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:14
ITV4
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:15
Isn`t it on ITV4 as the Poland match was?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:17
Leao against Ralston. Could be a difficult night for the Celtic reserve ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:22
Same team again. What a predictable bore SC is…..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:29
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 8 Sept 19:15
Isn`t it on ITV4 as the Poland match was?
Cheers👍
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Sep 19:55
What a simple goal!
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Topic Originator: sintv
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:08
STV player is in HD, much better than ITV4
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:33
Everything coming down the left for Portugal.
We`ve done really well to hold this lead.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:34
Hanging on.
McGinn ? Nothing super about him tonight. Waste of a Jersey….again..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:36
Quote:
sintv, Sun 8 Sept 20:08
STV player is in HD, much better than ITV4
So is itv4
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:38
Christie also like mginn
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:40
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 8 Sep 20:38
Christie also like mginn
there left winger No 17 destroying us
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:45
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 8 Sep 20:40
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 8 Sep 20:38
Christie also like mginn
there left winger No 17 destroying us
That’s Leao that I mentioned earlier
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:46
The skills gap is enormous but football`s not just about skill.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:46
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 8 Sep 20:40
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 8 Sep 20:38
Christie also like mginn
there left winger No 17 destroying us
One of best players in Europe these days so no surprise there!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:46
Is it still Sam F#%kface commentating on STV Player? I’ve got ITV4 on
COYP
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:47
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 8 Sep 20:45
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 8 Sep 20:40
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 8 Sep 20:38
Christie also like mginn
there left winger No 17 destroying us
That’s Leao that I mentioned earlier
can`t handle him ,what a player
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:47
McKenna doing really well at the back, lots of good interceptions and blocks, Gunn made a coue of good saves,and obviously the goal, but we have been so bad... Every time they come down their left, it should have been a goal. As above, McGinn almost a passenger, McTominay and Dykes have done well when it reaches them, but its going to be a long 45 mins...
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:49
Quote:
d3monstrate, Sun 8 Sep 20:47
McKenna doing really well at the back, lots of good interceptions and blocks, Gunn made a coue of good saves,and obviously the goal, but we have been so bad... Every time they come down their left, it should have been a goal. As above, McGinn almost a passenger, McTominay and Dykes have done well when it reaches them, but its going to be a long 45 mins...
agree 100% If we get any result in this game I`m putting double lottery numbers on :):)
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 8 Sep 20:59
How many times will McLean give the ball away?
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:40
Another epic failure
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:42
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 8 Sept 21:40
Another epic failure
Any credit for the performance or just lazy sarcastic pointless drivel?
Really tough shift for the guys. Portugal have top quality throughout the team and bench that is a few levels above us but I thought we competed well.
This is a very tough section, feasible we could end up pointless.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sun 08 Sep 22:12)
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:44
Very little pace in our team. Did well to keep it to just 2-1.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:45
Could see that coming sadly. Soon as Dykes went off we had zero outball or way to get up pitch. Harsh all the same.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:45
Done ok for the most part of what I seen, but Gunn has to save that and McKenna sold himself to let Ronaldo in 🤦🏻♂️ could have been 3/4 more for Portugal though.
Clarkes time has ran its course I feel - could’ve gotten away with that result if we had won v Poland, but we blew the important game of these 2…..too little, too late for me.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:49
When you consider what the expectations were before this game it was hardly a `failure` to lose 1-2. I liked the way we came back into the game after they equalised. Against a team like that it`s inevitable they`re going to make chances and you just hope they won`t take them all.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:49
let`s be honest ,we were second best all game
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:51
As said the other night Mclean shouldn`t be near that team !
Punished again for switching off , Gunn probably could have done better with the first goal but certainly made up for it but unfortunately to no avail !
defended too deep as usual , and tonight we are the only team in the group without a point !
McGinn was just a waste of a jersey tonight again seem to have lost his mojo just now
Bottom line is we give teams too many late goals
We need to get more fresh blood in that team also
Clarke needs to see if anyone that isn`t getting picked for England has a granny from Scotland and tap them
To be honest I was expecting to get scudded tonight so 2-1 doesn;t seem so bad
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sun 8 Sep 21:53
As much as Gunn shouldve saved the first, he more than made up for it with 3 or 4 great saves. But he seems to struggle to anticipate the long shot, double stamps his feet before moving and its that split second that has lost us a goal each game this week...
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:07
No disgrace with tonight`s result but Clarke has had his shot and should be given a firm handshake and best wishes for the future.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:10
agree
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:10
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 8 Sep 22:07
No disgrace with tonight`s result but Clarke has had his shot and should be given a firm handshake and best wishes for the future.
Who would you replace him with?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:13
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 8 Sept 22:07
No disgrace with tonight`s result but Clarke has had his shot and should be given a firm handshake and best wishes for the future.
Completely disagree with this. Much more going forward the last 2 games. Maybe he`s changed his philosophy slightly?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:14
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 8 Sept 21:49
let`s be honest ,we were second best all game
Hardly surprising, is it?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:22
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 8 Sep 22:13
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 8 Sept 22:07
No disgrace with tonight`s result but Clarke has had his shot and should be given a firm handshake and best wishes for the future.
Completely disagree with this. Much more going forward the last 2 games. Maybe he`s changed his philosophy slightly?
Great and weve still only won 1 game since Cyprus last year 😂
Post Edited (Sun 08 Sep 22:22)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:25
The problem isn’t getting beat tonight. Portugal were far better than us.
The problem was giving away 2 stupid penalties against Poland. We should have beat them on the day
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:29
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 8 Sept 22:22
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 8 Sep 22:13
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 8 Sept 22:07
No disgrace with tonight`s result but Clarke has had his shot and should be given a firm handshake and best wishes for the future.
Completely disagree with this. Much more going forward the last 2 games. Maybe he`s changed his philosophy slightly?
Great and weve still only won 1 game since Cyprus last year 😂
There`s that smiley face again......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 8 Sep 22:32
Scotland are now without a win in 8 competitive fixtures in all competitions for the first time in our history .
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sun 8 Sep 23:36
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Sun 8 Sept 22:32
Scotland are now without a win in 8 competitive fixtures in all competitions for the first time in our history .
It`s all relative though, isn`t it?
The end of a campaign we`d already qualified from, 3 games at a major championship, and then 2 games in the top tier of European football.
We are where we are. We`re not good enough to compete at this level without 3 guaranteed starters - Tierney, Hickey and McGregor. We`ve never had strength in depth, and while Thursday was a major disappointment, tonight was a good performance.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Sep 23:42
Some people just love stats though, even when they`re quoted without context.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 9 Sep 01:23
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 8 Sep 21:42
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 8 Sept 21:40
Another epic failure
Any credit for the performance or just lazy sarcastic pointless drivel?
Really tough shift for the guys. Portugal have top quality throughout the team and bench that is a few levels above us but I thought we competed well.
This is a very tough section, feasible we could end up pointless.
I meant another loss to a late goal. Going out of groups on goal difference. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
That kind of failure
In terms of tonight, they defended doggedly. Scored a great goal and had something to hang on to, but we were second best against a much better outfit. Didn’t expect anything else at kick off
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Mon 09 Sep 01:24)
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Mon 9 Sep 06:56
We had one good move in the first half but apart from that the ball was like a hot potato and we couldn`t keep possession. I think it was 16 shots to 1 at half-time. I thought bringing on Ronaldo actually helped us as they were well on top in the first half.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Mon 9 Sep 07:32
In the last calendar year, San Marino have a better win record than Scotland. Something has to change.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 9 Sep 07:43
In terms of late goals, in our last 6 games, we have conceded in the 85th minute or later, in 5 of those.
That tends to suggest an error or lack of concentration? That would certainly apply to Poland and Portugal.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Mon 9 Sep 08:04
Gulf in quality was there for all too see. There were moments where Scotland managed to get out of defense to release McTominay, but these were few and far between. Gunn made some decent saves to keep the scoreline respectable.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 9 Sep 08:57
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 9 Sept 07:43
In terms of late goals, in our last 6 games, we have conceded in the 85th minute or later, in 5 of those.
That tends to suggest an error or lack of concentration? That would certainly apply to Poland and Portugal.
The penalty against Poland should 100% not have happened at the international level.
The lapse of concentration last night can be attributed to being under constant exhaustive pressure for the whole game, last nights is forgivable,
The polish one not so.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 9 Sep 09:18
Quote:
General Zod, Mon 9 Sept 07:32
In the last calendar year, San Marino have a better win record than Scotland. Something has to change.
Ridiculous comparison
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 9 Sep 09:33
Quote:
General Zod, Mon 9 Sept 07:32
In the last calendar year, San Marino have a better win record than Scotland. Something has to change.
What a pointless post.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 9 Sep 09:46
The second goal you could see coming a mile off. Before Morgan came on surely he was told they are crossing in from deep all day on your side stop the cross at all costs but he ends up being nowhere near where he should be in comes the cross and Ronaldo sticks it home.
The higher you go the slimmer the margin for errors becomes. We have found that out the hard way. We were hardly a failure or crap as previously mentioned as we were still in the game. Again fine margins with 2 individual errors costing us again.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Mon 9 Sep 11:28
Quote:
General Zod, Mon 9 Sept 07:32
In the last calendar year, San Marino have a better win record than Scotland. Something has to change.
The last calendar year was 2023. The year we beat Spain and Norway (away) plus Georgia and Cyprus (twice).
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 9 Sep 11:31
First half was quite good. Great ball in from the much maligned McLean and a simple header from Scott McGoalmachine. While they had a lot of the ball, I wasn`t that worried. Second half started off like the alamo, Portugal were quicker and we sat deeper. After the equaliser (it took a deflection I think but neither commentator mentioned it? Although Gunn should have saved it) we had a few moments where we looked like we could get joy on the break. But when Dykes went off and when we didn`t bring Doak on to use his pace on the counter we retreated once more and it was terrible defending by McKenna for the winner. Could have easily had 4 points already and an honest to God chance of getting into the quarter finals but instead, individual errors have cost us and it`s likely we`ll be down in League B next time round with jobbers like "Finland" and "England". Also could affect our world cup chances depending on how they allocate seedings, and we have no chance of a play off through the Nations League.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 9 Sep 11:37
As with all our games recently - the midfield looks OK (although I don`t know what`s up with McGinn - he`s a shadow of the player he was 18 months ago); the attack looks limited and the defence looks constantly shaky and in `panic` model.
If you look at last nights back 4..
Gunn - made some great saves, but also should have saved Portugal`s equaliser; it seems that every game he`s letting in a saveable shot, and when we struggle to score that`s a big problem.
Ralston - Leao had him on toast all night. Was struggling all match.
McKenna - Our best defender I think, made a couple of good blocks.
Hanley - Panic inducing, slow and immobile. I can`t believe he`s the best we have.
Robertson - so much less effective than for liverpool (which is explainable given the calibre of the respective team mates).
Every decent team is gonna look at that back 4, and run at them. Poland and Portugal did so, and we couldn`t hold out.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 9 Sep 12:03
We are over promoted, the nations league has been brilliant for us but no one expected us to reach tier 1. Simple fact is we are not a tier 1 nation, we are the equivalent of the present Pars squad being promoted to the premier league - we can hope to pick up the occasional point here and there but we (should) know where we are.
Clarke is not going anywhere so stop banging that drum as it’s really boring.
This was a very decent performance (v the team ranked 8th best in the world) after some really poor performances but this thread is 90 % negativity - typical moaning fifers
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 9 Sep 12:17
Quote:
Bandy, Mon 9 Sep 11:37
As with all our games recently - the midfield looks OK (although I don`t know what`s up with McGinn - he`s a shadow of the player he was 18 months ago); the attack looks limited and the defence looks constantly shaky and in `panic` model.
If you look at last nights back 4..
Gunn - made some great saves, but also should have saved Portugal`s equaliser; it seems that every game he`s letting in a saveable shot, and when we struggle to score that`s a big problem.
Ralston - Leao had him on toast all night. Was struggling all match.
McKenna - Our best defender I think, made a couple of good blocks.
Hanley - Panic inducing, slow and immobile. I can`t believe he`s the best we have.
Robertson - so much less effective than for liverpool (which is explainable given the calibre of the respective team mates).
Every decent team is gonna look at that back 4, and run at them. Poland and Portugal did so, and we couldn`t hold out.
You can say a lot about Hanley but he’s far from slow. Infact he was in the top 20 quickest players at Euro 2024.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 9 Sep 12:45
Well - I never knew that.
`quickest` - can be a deceptive term, because top speed and acceleration are different types of `quick`. I remember that there was one season where a 34 year old Phil Jagielka was the quickest player in the Premiership in that he had the highest recorded top speed, although he was never, ever, considered to be a quick player.
I wonder if Hanley has a high top speed but takes an age to get there, giving the illusion that he`s slow?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 9 Sep 12:53
Quote:
P, Mon 9 Sept 12:03
We are over promoted, the nations league has been brilliant for us but no one expected us to reach tier 1. Simple fact is we are not a tier 1 nation, we are the equivalent of the present Pars squad being promoted to the premier league - we can hope to pick up the occasional point here and there but we (should) know where we are.
Clarke is not going anywhere so stop banging that drum as it’s really boring.
This was a very decent performance (v the team ranked 8th best in the world) after some really poor performances but this thread is 90 % negativity - typical moaning fifers
Said before the 1st Nations league campaign began that, while it would be good to win the groups due to the reward of the play offs, getting promoted to Section A could be disastrous for countries like us. Wales found that out last campaign.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 09 Sep 12:56)
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Topic Originator: macapar
Date: Tue 10 Sep 21:33
Too many players playing who can`t get a game at their club. We really don`t have talent in every position available.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 11 Sep 08:07
Clarke should’ve gone after the tournament where we left with a whimper to be honest, it was really inexcusable.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Wed 11 Sep 08:51
Totally, but he is getting a free ride from the press. Compare that to the end of McLeish`s reign, where they hounded him out of the job
There`s just something not sitting right with me how he got away without so much as a single comment to the press after the Euros. He then got asked 1 question about it recently and bit the guys head off saying no-one cares about the Euros anymore.
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