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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 13 Nov 19:05
Daily Record reporting an American group may be in pole position to take us over. From the usually reliable Scott Burns.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Wed 13 Nov 19:15
Hope they have deep pockets and good intentions
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Wed 13 Nov 19:20
My mate is a st mirren fan and he says the reporter has a history of being well informed. Hopefully some good news at last
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Topic Originator: M-PAR
Date: Wed 13 Nov 19:24
“Make the pars great again”🇺🇸
COYP!
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Wed 13 Nov 19:30
Quote:
M-PAR, Wed 13 Nov 19:24
“Make the pars great again”🇺🇸
Amen 🙏
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 13 Nov 19:31
Wires crossed.....it`s simply that Trump wants to buy another golf course at Pi Treavie.
Some US investment would be interesting as they seem to be rolling in it just how.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 13 Nov 19:55
Scott Burns knows his stuff. No way would it have gone to print if he was not very sure of his facts
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
COYP
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 13 Nov 20:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
What other sport does this individual have ties to?
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Wed 13 Nov 20:25
Let’s hope this gets done soon. We need a deep clean from top to bottom. Some decent players added in January would go a long way.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 13 Nov 20:32
Sounds like it`s a done deal. Only time will tell if it`s a good thing. I have some reservations, as I did when GMBH came on board.
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Wed 13 Nov 21:12
Let’s hope it’s not the folk who attempted to buy Motherwell until fans saw right through it…
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 13 Nov 21:43
Ryan Reynolds please
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Wed 13 Nov 21:50
Does that mean a name change ?
Dunfermline athletic soccer club ?
With cheerleaders and aw that at half time etc ... ?🤣
Tee shirts getting fired into the crowd?
Singing the national anthem before kick off ?
American food for sale ?
Barbecues in the parking area ?
Fun times 😆
Admin
Post Edited (Wed 13 Nov 21:58)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 13 Nov 21:56
Lets hope they have some financial clout and want to challenge at the top end of the country.
What we don’t want now though is whats going on at Hibs, which is currently a complete sh*tshow at boardroom level. For a club of their size they are worse than us by a long shot.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:01
Hopefully Stan Kroenke and we`ll be used as a feeder club for Arsenal.
I`d reckon that kid Odegaard could learn on a loan spell up here playing alongside the likes of Wotherspoon.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:04
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
"Wee ASDA" is a well known source of local information. Just last week I read in the toilets there that Serenity McLeod is a dirty mink.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:14
Let`s hope it`s different American investors than Motherwell nearly had!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:25
surely we are due some luck with who comes in
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:29
Quote:
widtink, Wed 13 Nov 21:50
Does that mean a name change ?
Dunfermline athletic soccer club ?
With cheerleaders and aw that at half time etc ... ?🤣
Tee shirts getting fired into the crowd?
Singing the national anthem before kick off ?
American food for sale ?
Barbecues in the parking area ?
Fun times 😆
Don’t forget the B52 bomber flyover at 2.55pm 👍🏻
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:29
Quote:
Kdy Par, Wed 13 Nov 20:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
What other sport does this individual have ties to?
I’ll respectfully refrain from commenting
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:30
Quote:
jake89, Wed 13 Nov 22:04
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
"Wee ASDA" is a well known source of local information. Just last week I read in the toilets there that Serenity McLeod is a dirty mink.
Well, anywhere you can find it 👍🏻
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:32
Quote:
buffy, Wed 13 Nov 21:43
Ryan Reynolds please
Cos he’s rich or cos he’s braw?
COYP
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 Nov 22:49
You do realise the term soccer is what we used to call it, and in some areas in the uk we still do
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 14 Nov 01:09
Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Thu 14 Nov 01:33
At the risk of sounding xenophobic I feel like American ownership is far more relatable than German. Nothing against our German owners, they definitely approached this with the best intentions but the relatability to the support was the missing piece and that tends to be something Americans excel at.
Let`s find out who they are, of course, but this is probably the outcome I was hoping for.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 14 Nov 06:22
Quote:
widtink, Wed 13 Nov 21:50
Does that mean a name change ?
Dunfermline athletic soccer club ?
With cheerleaders and aw that at half time etc ... ?🤣
Tee shirts getting fired into the crowd?
Singing the national anthem before kick off ?
American food for sale ?
Barbecues in the parking area ?
Fun times 😆
They do it bigger and better but with ticket prices so high, suppose I will have to settle for a luke warm bovril.
By the way, if any youngsters want to see how supporters can have a great time without flares, watch the Inter Miami supporters. A real spectacle.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 14 Nov 09:44
"At the risk of sounding xenophobic I feel like American ownership is far more relatable than German. Nothing against our German owners, they definitely approached this with the best intentions but the relatability to the support was the missing piece and that tends to be something Americans excel at."
I`d go the opposite way in fairness. American sports is all about the day and about the "spectacle" the HT shows etc etc rather than the game itself. Germany is much more like the UK model with the focus being what is achieved on the pitch, winning/losing/relegation/promotion etc.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 14 Nov 09:46
"Ryan Reynolds please"
other than being Canadian the loans they are saddling wrexham with would be a huge concern for a normal football fan when it eventually goes t!ts up (Gretna/Brookes Mileson style)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 14 Nov 10:13
Hot dogs, peanuts and beer in paper cups sold by Stephens` employees throughout the stadium ?
"Bluebell Polka" dropped and replaced by "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" ?
Huge TV monitors so match officials can review controversial incidents before making a decision ?
This earlier comment caught my eye - "Don’t forget the B52 bomber flyover at 2.55pm 👍🏻"
The USAF have recently flown in 4 of them to be based at RAF Fairford - maybe they are preparing for a club takeover sooner rather than later !!!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 14 Nov 10:19
I`m going to reserve judgement until this is concluded. Made the mistake in 2020 of getting carried away with our current owners "vision".
Look how that ended up.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Thu 14 Nov 10:57
There seems to be a lot of interest from US investment groups in UK football. I think that from a financial perspective, the club has the potential to grow its fan base in both the UK and overseas. Technology is also moving fast.the ability to watch sporting events from anywhere in the world in 3D is not so far away. 10-15 years or so years ago, I recall speaking with someone who worked in silicon valley who was working on this technology. In terms of cup success and access to European competitions, the Scottish leagues are an easier and lower cost option than England in terms of investment v success. It will be interesting to see what changes this brings about within the club both culturally and the travel of direction from a business perspective. Hopefully, it will all be good news for the management, players, and supporters.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Thu 14 Nov 11:20
Carlisle is another one to be mindful of.
Recruitment model an absolute car crash for two seasons in a row, granted not all under the new owners remit, and on course for back to back relegations out of the football league.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: cumbrian par
Date: Thu 14 Nov 11:56
At Carlisle, there’s been a huge contrast between on the field and off the field since the American takeover. About £10 million has been spent or committed on stadium improvements and (guess what) a new training ground. However, the new owners have made, or allowed others to make catastrophic mistakes, especially as TAFKA says on recruitment.
Hopefully, they’ve steadied the ship with a new manager and a sporting director. Not all Americans are the same, obviously, but I trust the Carlisle owners and I believe that they’re here for the long term.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Thu 14 Nov 11:58
Obviously following our previous owners I`m pretty skeptical. I don`t think GmbH had a clue in what was important to either the fans or the Scottish game (this often came across in poorly worded statements that rubbed people up the wrong way, true sportsmanship etc).
Winning games of football became a secondary objective, which for a club with a fanbase that is hungry to challenge for Premiership promotion was never going to end well.
My hope is that new ownership gets back to prioritising the first team and having a tangible plan on how to improve year on year. Recruitment has been really poor on the whole the last couple years whilst also remaining too loyal and handing contracts to players that can`t consistently perform at this level.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Thu 14 Nov 12:26
Quote:
king lad, Thu 14 Nov 11:58
Obviously following our previous owners I`m pretty skeptical. I don`t think GmbH had a clue in what was important to either the fans or the Scottish game (this often came across in poorly worded statements that rubbed people up the wrong way, true sportsmanship etc).
Winning games of football became a secondary objective, which for a club with a fanbase that is hungry to challenge for Premiership promotion was never going to end well.
My hope is that new ownership gets back to prioritising the first team and having a tangible plan on how to improve year on year. Recruitment has been really poor on the whole the last couple years whilst also remaining too loyal and handing contracts to players that can`t consistently perform at this level.
Makes a lot of sense. The real issue now is who is going to be in charge of all recruitment? Will new American investors, with as yet unknown level of knowledge of Scottish football, work with the home-based board to recruit? Will they stay with the current management set-up from CEO down?Would they bring in UK/Scottish recruitment consultants?
Like any investor, they’ll need to balance risk with reward. Why pump money into anything without a strategy for return on that investment?
Post Edited (Thu 14 Nov 12:31)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 14 Nov 13:16
"I`m going to reserve judgement until this is concluded. Made the mistake in 2020 of getting carried away with our current owners "vision".
Look how that ended up."
Seconded.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Thu 14 Nov 13:29
We need to put our faith in this new development. Despite our recent history, no need for any negativity. And stay right behind the team.
Post Edited (Thu 14 Nov 13:30)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 14 Nov 13:36
If we follow the Wrexham model then Shuggy Jackman and Charlie Day/Danny De Vito.
Even if not them,people should watch IASI Philidephia as it`s tremendous. The first series is pretty good but it comes into it`s own in series 2 when Danny De Vito joins.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Thu 14 Nov 13:38
If i was the club id be desperate to get Crawford back in a recruitment capacity, the players he brought in at that time that have gone on to have good careers is very impressive and looking back we should have done much better but that probably tells you more about his management ability unfortunately...
Nisbet - Aberdeen
Edwards - Charlton
Mayo - Killie
E. Henderson - Beerschot
Fraser Murray - Killie
Scott Banks - St Pauli
...to name a few
Good contacts, good use of the loan system and obviously had an eye for a player, whether he would come back is a different story i suppose. As mentioned above hopefully the new owners focus on the first team squad, and can look at the overall growth of the club once we received the riches of premiership football
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Thu 14 Nov 14:05
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 22:32
Quote:
buffy, Wed 13 Nov 21:43
Ryan Reynolds please
Cos he’s rich or cos he’s braw?
Think you Ken the answer to that one chap and it’s no because he’s rich 😂
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Thu 14 Nov 14:50
Quote:
PARadise, Thu 14 Nov 13:38
If i was the club id be desperate to get Crawford back in a recruitment capacity, the players he brought in at that time that have gone on to have good careers is very impressive and looking back we should have done much better but that probably tells you more about his management ability unfortunately...
Nisbet - Aberdeen
Edwards - Charlton
Mayo - Killie
E. Henderson - Beerschot
Fraser Murray - Killie
Scott Banks - St Pauli
...to name a few
Good contacts, good use of the loan system and obviously had an eye for a player, whether he would come back is a different story i suppose. As mentioned above hopefully the new owners focus on the first team squad, and can look at the overall growth of the club once we received the riches of premiership football
^^^^ Spot on 👍
Crawford did an incredible job with limited resources. Would love to see him back.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 14 Nov 15:22
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 14 Nov 01:09
Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...Please be the Big Orange Fella...
As much as that burned my eyes, it made me chuckle.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Thu 14 Nov 15:25
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 22:29
Quote:
Kdy Par, Wed 13 Nov 20:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
What other sport does this individual have ties to?
I’ll respectfully refrain from commenting
Anything to do with Boston?
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 14 Nov 15:54
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Thu 14 Nov 09:46
"Ryan Reynolds please"
other than being Canadian the loans they are saddling wrexham with would be a huge concern for a normal football fan when it eventually goes t!ts up (Gretna/Brookes Mileson style)
Difference with that is Reynolds has some serious financial clout, they get decent endorsement deals and if they make it to the PL in the next 3/4 years then they have made it to the dreamland of football financially.
Brooks was just a millionaire that wanted to leave a legacy and sp*nked his smaller wealth up the wall.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 14 Nov 16:01
If it wasn`t for the association with Trump, I could see "Make Athletic Great Again" caps selling well.
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Thu 14 Nov 16:17
I think we should be very careful what we wish for.
There are very few business people that are not looking for decent return on investment and none of them would be American.
I’m not really sure what you could do with a provincial Community Scottish club to get any return.
Even Reynolds and MCal……..the other one will be banking on PL football for their return.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 14 Nov 16:32
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Thu 14 Nov 15:25
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 22:29
Quote:
Kdy Par, Wed 13 Nov 20:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
What other sport does this individual have ties to?
I’ll respectfully refrain from commenting
Anything to do with Boston?
Gid band that
COYP
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Thu 14 Nov 16:44
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 14 Nov 16:32
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sonofpetrie, Thu 14 Nov 15:25
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NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 22:29
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Kdy Par, Wed 13 Nov 20:19
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NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
What other sport does this individual have ties to?
I’ll respectfully refrain from commenting
Anything to do with Boston?
Gid band that
Is that how you feel? Or is it more than a feeling? 😏
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Thu 14 Nov 17:15
Bit sad that a lot of British businesses in general have been bought over by foreign owners but it seems to be the way most things have gone over the years.
It`s not an easy business to make money from particularly at this level in Scotland but hopefully the next steps will be positive.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 14 Nov 19:06
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Thu 14 Nov 16:44
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NMCmassive, Thu 14 Nov 16:32
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sonofpetrie, Thu 14 Nov 15:25
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NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 22:29
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Kdy Par, Wed 13 Nov 20:19
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NMCmassive, Wed 13 Nov 20:04
I was lead to believe a few weeks ago that a rich American was the preferred choice. I didn’t hear it in the pub before anyone says. I heard it in wee Asda. That’s all I can say tho… got to look after sources!
What other sport does this individual have ties to?
I’ll respectfully refrain from commenting
Anything to do with Boston?
Gid band that
Is that how you feel? Or is it more than a feeling? 😏
It wiz, till I seen my Marianne walk away
COYP
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 15 Nov 13:11
More than a feeling and Smell like teen spirit, never seen in the same room together.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 18 Nov 19:32
Steven Mill on the big Scottish football podcast saying today that the Record Article is not entirely accurate-in fact a lot of it not accurate at all.
There are still 3 or 4 really interested parties.
He’s expected a statement or something from the club hopefully in the next few days.
Funnily enough the word I heard over the weekend was -it’s not Americans 🤷🏻♂️
God knows what’s happening.
Still would love a MAGA hat tho (Make Athletic Great Again)
COYP
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 18 Nov 19:51
Thanks for flagging this up.
I wonder where the "not entirely accurate" facts might differ from "not accurate at all" stuff ?
Sounds like six of one and half a dozen of the other ?
BTW - "Still would love a MAGA hat tho (Make Athletic Great Again)"
Several outfits online will do a baseball cap with your chosen text.
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Mon 18 Nov 19:52
Steven Mill should stick to radio.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 18 Nov 19:53
Steven Mill should be a fairly reputable source given he’s the clubs media man these days
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Mon 18 Nov 19:59
He’s wide of the mark here
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 18 Nov 20:11
Quote:
OorWullie, Mon 18 Nov 19:59
He’s wide of the mark here
Written like you’re a man who knows more than you’re saying?
COYP
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 18 Nov 20:42
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 18 Nov 19:32
Steven Mill on the big Scottish football podcast saying today that the Record Article is not entirely accurate-in fact a lot of it not accurate at all.
There are still 3 or 4 really interested parties.
He’s expected a statement or something from the club hopefully in the next few days.
Funnily enough the word I heard over the weekend was -it’s not Americans 🤷🏻♂️
God knows what’s happening.
Still would love a MAGA hat tho (Make Athletic Great Again)
Jist dinnae.
Even the slightest hint of the Pars having anything to do with that fascist rapist brings me out in a sweat.
I know you are likely joking but pleeeeezze don`t put ideas in folks heads.
I`m away for a lie doon now.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 18 Nov 21:10
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 18 Nov 20:42
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 18 Nov 19:32
Steven Mill on the big Scottish football podcast saying today that the Record Article is not entirely accurate-in fact a lot of it not accurate at all.
There are still 3 or 4 really interested parties.
He’s expected a statement or something from the club hopefully in the next few days.
Funnily enough the word I heard over the weekend was -it’s not Americans 🤷🏻♂️
God knows what’s happening.
Still would love a MAGA hat tho (Make Athletic Great Again)
Jist dinnae.
Even the slightest hint of the Pars having anything to do with that fascist rapist brings me out in a sweat.
I know you are likely joking but pleeeeezze don`t put ideas in folks heads.
I`m away for a lie doon now.
I might just buy a MAGA hat now regardless if it’s American owners or not…
COYP
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 18 Nov 22:20
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 18 Nov 19:32
Steven Mill on the big Scottish football podcast saying today that the Record Article is not entirely accurate-in fact a lot of it not accurate at all.
There are still 3 or 4 really interested parties.
He’s expected a statement or something from the club hopefully in the next few days.
Funnily enough the word I heard over the weekend was -it’s not Americans 🤷🏻♂️
God knows what’s happening.
Still would love a MAGA hat tho (Make Athletic Great Again)
The one thing I took from it was he played American music whilst talking about it. A not so subtle hint perhaps?
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 29 Nov 16:16
Was hoping to hear positive news in this regard before the New Year so that we could go into 2025 with some positivity. It’s all gone rather quiet unfortunately….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 29 Nov 16:18
It`s only 29 November.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 29 Nov 16:42
Would the parties not have to go into a period of due diligence and as we are being sold through a broker would it not involve an arms length agreement. So the seller will not know until the transaction is finally made, then it would happen all quite quickly after that.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 29 Nov 18:00
Feels difficult to agree a few given every game chances our chances of staying up or going down.
Just have to hope if a deal gets done there’s enough time to get a new manager in and at least 2 decent signings in January.
Post Edited (Fri 29 Nov 18:00)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 29 Nov 18:33
Not expecting any news until the end of the season tbh. Business deals can sometimes take months to get over the line.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 29 Nov 19:57
Quote:
buffy, Fri 29 Nov 18:33
Not expecting any news until the end of the season tbh. Business deals can sometimes take months to get over the line.
100 percent this. Why would someone rush things when we could be in league 1 next season.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 30 Nov 07:51
Well I`d expect that if we do go down the investors will pull out tbh. Why start of your regime with a season (at least) in League One where you`re going to have losses of around a million quid? Unless they could renegotiate how much they pay the GmbH group, they`d just be burning money.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 30 Nov 09:19
We’re all just speculating Kelty_Par, however I doubt they would pull out, however the value would drop, you would have thought.
I remember when West Brom (my Dad’s team, my English team) were going through the same and like every takeover, it was uncertain and there were lots of speculation going around. I suppose ultimately we just have to wait and see.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 30 Nov 11:23
I would hope any potential investor would have included the risk of relegation into their bid, but would also hope they are looking longer term than next season. Dunfermline do have the potential based on support to be a permanent fixture in the top league and average big home gates in comparison to any provincial club.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 30 Nov 12:57
Quote:
Par, Sat 30 Nov 11:23
I would hope any potential investor would have included the risk of relegation into their bid, but would also hope they are looking longer term than next season. Dunfermline do have the potential based on support to be a permanent fixture in the top league and average big home gates in comparison to any provincial club.
Any business owner that doesn`t factor in real and present risks into their planning isn`t someone I`d like to see involved in the club. It would go horribly wrong.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 30 Nov 13:27
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 30 Nov 12:57
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Par, Sat 30 Nov 11:23
I would hope any potential investor would have included the risk of relegation into their bid, but would also hope they are looking longer term than next season. Dunfermline do have the potential based on support to be a permanent fixture in the top league and average big home gates in comparison to any provincial club.
Any business owner that doesn`t factor in real and present risks into their planning isn`t someone I`d like to see involved in the club. It would go horribly wrong.
That’s why this will be a very interesting next wee while. I’m pretty certain that the potential investors will be playing hardball with the Germans. The Germans will want X amount, investors will be offering Y.
Take Y or we’ll come back next year with Z type of thing.
January might be very enlightening…
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 30 Nov 13:49
I think it`ll be sorted before then
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 30 Nov 14:20
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 30 Nov 13:49
I think it`ll be sorted before then
I’m hoping so but things do seem to be moving slowly 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Sat 30 Nov 16:19
I`ve heard it`s going to be done by new years eve.
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 30 Nov 18:07
Quote:
Kba990309, Sat 30 Nov 16:19
I`ve heard it`s going to be done by new years eve.
I think the timeline was always Christmas but everything I’d heard has dried up so to speak. Hopefully it will be done for then and we can put a line in the sand.
We’ve got the makings of a squad to challenge for promotion but the clubs feeling lost in limbo
COYP
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 30 Nov 18:14
Don’t fret. Won’t be long now
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 30 Nov 18:50
🤞
COYP
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 30 Nov 19:23
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 30 Nov 18:07
We’ve got the makings of a squad to challenge for promotion but the clubs feeling lost in limbo
Have we…..have we really?? Can’t say I share that view personally. I do think we have the makings of a squad that should be doing better, but promotion…na!
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 30 Nov 19:23
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 30 Nov 18:14
Don’t fret. Won’t be long now
🤞🏻🤞🏻
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 30 Nov 19:58
I hope Raymie`s right.
I can`t see why any investor would intentionally hold off to see which division we`re playing in. If finances are crap now, they`d be even worse when relegated so why on Earth would you buy then? A smart person would invest before the January window opens so they can (hopefully) provide funds to get some players in (or a new management team!).
As has been said, I think there`s a good squad there but I think the management is completely wrong. We should have been all out attack against EC today. They`re mid-table in the 2nd division FFS!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 30 Nov 20:18
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Sat 30 Nov 19:23
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 30 Nov 18:07
We’ve got the makings of a squad to challenge for promotion but the clubs feeling lost in limbo
Have we…..have we really?? Can’t say I share that view personally. I do think we have the makings of a squad that should be doing better, but promotion…na!
Yeah, I really think we have the makings of a squad that should be challenging for play off spots ie promotion.
Tobi, Bene, Comrie, Wotherspoon, Hammy, Otoo and Chris Kane more than good enough.
Todd, Ngwenya, Young & Fogarty IMO all have more than enough ability but are unproven.
Funny tho, when I look through the names, not a lot of attack minded players there 😬 obviously McPakeball doesn’t require goals 🤦🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 30 Nov 20:23
That’s a big problem. We have an unbalanced squad
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 30 Nov 20:56
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 30 Nov 20:18
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Sat 30 Nov 19:23
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NMCmassive, Sat 30 Nov 18:07
We’ve got the makings of a squad to challenge for promotion but the clubs feeling lost in limbo
Have we…..have we really?? Can’t say I share that view personally. I do think we have the makings of a squad that should be doing better, but promotion…na!
Yeah, I really think we have the makings of a squad that should be challenging for play off spots ie promotion.
Tobi, Bene, Comrie, Wotherspoon, Hammy, Otoo and Chris Kane more than good enough.
Todd, Ngwenya, Young & Fogarty IMO all have more than enough ability but are unproven.
Funny tho, when I look through the names, not a lot of attack minded players there 😬 obviously McPakeball doesn’t require goals 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah, fair play, on reflection I can see where you’re coming from and the 7 names you mentioned above, plus the additions, could quite easily fit into a squad within the top 4 imho.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 9 Dec 11:59
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 30 Nov 19:58
I hope Raymie`s right.
I can`t see why any investor would intentionally hold off to see which division we`re playing in. If finances are crap now, they`d be even worse when relegated so why on Earth would you buy then? A smart person would invest before the January window opens so they can (hopefully) provide funds to get some players in (or a new management team!).
As has been said, I think there`s a good squad there but I think the management is completely wrong. We should have been all out attack against EC today. They`re mid-table in the 2nd division FFS!
Like you Jake I was hoping this would be done by Xmas. Will we get an early Xmas present? If not I think it will drag on well into 2025….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: dafc123
Date: Mon 9 Dec 15:15
It`s quite common knowledge by now that the takeover will be completed and announced shortly.
Not sure why the club are staying quiet about it.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 9 Dec 15:29
Topic Originator: dafc123 like
Date: Mon 9 Dec 15:15
It`s quite common knowledge by now that the takeover will be completed and announced shortly.
Not sure why the club are staying quiet about it.
Well if it is common knowledge then I will pop into Coadys in the next day or two because that’s where you can get info on any subject due from the well informed clientele…
The club won’t announce anything until all the t’s have been crossed and the i’s have been dotted…..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: dafc123
Date: Mon 9 Dec 15:39
The club aren`t doing anything right at the moment so doubt they`d do that
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 9 Dec 15:41
The one thing they`re clearly doing right is not publicising anything about the sale of the club until it has completed.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 9 Dec 16:46
Quote:
dafc123, Mon 9 Dec 15:15
It`s quite common knowledge by now that the takeover will be completed and announced shortly.
Not sure why the club are staying quiet about it.
Don’t think it’s that common knowledge. We’re all just patiently waiting.
Post Edited (Mon 09 Dec 17:06)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 9 Dec 16:48
Quote:
Kdy Par, Mon 9 Dec 16:46
Quote:
dafc123, Mon 9 Dec 15:15
It`s quite common knowledge by now that the takeover will be completed and announced shortly.
Not sure why the club are staying quiet about it.
Don’t think it’s that common knowledge. We’re all just patently waiting.
That`s "patently" incorrect....
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 9 Dec 17:06
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 9 Dec 16:48
Quote:
Kdy Par, Mon 9 Dec 16:46
Quote:
dafc123, Mon 9 Dec 15:15
It`s quite common knowledge by now that the takeover will be completed and announced shortly.
Not sure why the club are staying quiet about it.
Don’t think it’s that common knowledge. We’re all just patently waiting.
That`s "patently" incorrect....
😂
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 9 Dec 17:09
The club are absolutely correct not commenting on any details of a proposed takeover, no discussion to be had.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 9 Dec 18:20
Quote:
dafc123, Mon 9 Dec 15:15
It`s quite common knowledge by now that the takeover will be completed and announced shortly.
Not sure why the club are staying quiet about it.
Because there`s nothing to say.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Mon 9 Dec 22:57
in the Daily Mail, by Stephen McGowan:
A former professional poker player is in advanced talks over purchasing a stake in SPFL Championship club Dunfermline.
Entrepreneur James Bord is the founder of San Francisco-based Short Circuit Science, a company which specialises in sports data analytics, medical prescription technology and climate adoption analysis.
Originally from Stanmore, just outside of London, 43-year-old Bord quit banking in his mid-twenties to forge a career playing poker, gaining international attention when he won the 2010 World Series of Poker Europe Main Event.
Dividing his time between London and the United States, Bord is spearheading a consortium in advanced discussions with German football investment group Fussball GmbH after they placed Dunfermline up for sale in August, citing supporter negativity following a poor start to the season.
The Hamburg-based owners purchased a 30-per-cent stake in the Pars in 2020 before agreeing to increase that to 75 per cent the following year.
Bord would be subject to SFA scrutiny under dual interest rules after Short Circuit Science became minority investors in Spanish second-tier strugglers Cordoba CF in September.
While the rules on dual ownership were relaxed in 2023, anyone who owns or has an interest in any club in the world is restricted to a capped shareholding subject to the permission of the SFA board.
Bournemouth owner Bill Foley was restricted to a maximum stake of 29.9 per cent in Hibernian. And Brighton owner Tony Bloom is in the process of tying up a minority stake in Hearts after the Tynecastle club agreed a data tie-up with his company Jamestown Analytics.
The governing body’s Professional Game Board would also need to be satisfied over the fit and proper person status of any directors named on the club’s annual return.
On their website, Short Circuit Science claim to be ‘at the forefront of sports analytics... through cutting edge algorithms, we uncover intricate details about players and teams offering invaluable insights for performance and strategic decision making’.
Dunfermline currently sit sixth in the Championship on 15 points from 16 games. Mail Sport has approached Short Circuit Science for comment.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 9 Dec 23:31
That`s interesting that the SFA only allows a capped shareholding if the investors have interests in another club. Looks like Park Bench has a 37% stake in Cordoba CF, the rest being owned by a Bahrain based investment trust.
Not sure how I feel about the club being owned as part of a group of clubs, but this seems to be the way the world is going now
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 10 Dec 06:05
They only allow a certain percentage ownership but are happy for fly by night chancers like the guy who tried to take over Inverness to get into the game. Sums up the SFA really.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 10 Dec 06:10
Sounds like a fit and proper person….poker player…
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 06:17
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Tue 10 Dec 06:10
Sounds like a fit and proper person….poker player…
Are The Pars not a gamble?
And using analytics can`t surely be worse than our signing strategy at the moment?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 10 Dec 06:33
Quote:
GJS93, Mon 9 Dec 22:57
in the Daily Mail, by Stephen McGowan:
A former professional poker player is in advanced talks over purchasing a stake in SPFL Championship club Dunfermline.
Entrepreneur James Bord is the founder of San Francisco-based Short Circuit Science, a company which specialises in sports data analytics, medical prescription technology and climate adoption analysis.
Originally from Stanmore, just outside of London, 43-year-old Bord quit banking in his mid-twenties to forge a career playing poker, gaining international attention when he won the 2010 World Series of Poker Europe Main Event.
Dividing his time between London and the United States, Bord is spearheading a consortium in advanced discussions with German football investment group Fussball GmbH after they placed Dunfermline up for sale in August, citing supporter negativity following a poor start to the season.
The Hamburg-based owners purchased a 30-per-cent stake in the Pars in 2020 before agreeing to increase that to 75 per cent the following year.
Bord would be subject to SFA scrutiny under dual interest rules after Short Circuit Science became minority investors in Spanish second-tier strugglers Cordoba CF in September.
While the rules on dual ownership were relaxed in 2023, anyone who owns or has an interest in any club in the world is restricted to a capped shareholding subject to the permission of the SFA board.
Bournemouth owner Bill Foley was restricted to a maximum stake of 29.9 per cent in Hibernian. And Brighton owner Tony Bloom is in the process of tying up a minority stake in Hearts after the Tynecastle club agreed a data tie-up with his company Jamestown Analytics.
The governing body’s Professional Game Board would also need to be satisfied over the fit and proper person status of any directors named on the club’s annual return.
On their website, Short Circuit Science claim to be ‘at the forefront of sports analytics... through cutting edge algorithms, we uncover intricate details about players and teams offering invaluable insights for performance and strategic decision making’.
Dunfermline currently sit sixth in the Championship on 15 points from 16 games. Mail Sport has approached Short Circuit Science for comment.
Sport analysis seems to be the thing for these guys. Could this spell the end of the dead wood who have been hanging on for the last few years.
Although this model if it`s done right with the right people looking over it can be very fruitful. Look at Brighton and Napoli both use analysis and stats a bit factor in their signings.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 10 Dec 07:51
Data Analytics is certainly the way ahead, so something like this might give us the edge in regards to talent identification. The problem then will be encouraging them to come here rather than anywhere else.
It`ll probably give us an edge for a very brief period of time anyway, as soon all teams will be doing it, bigger and better. Picking the right investor is going to be key now, all the teams in Scotland are ripe for takeover, in England they predict that US investors will be looking at every team over the 4 divisions and all will soon be under overseas investment groups.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 10 Dec 08:21
It looks like they`d be limited to a minority shareholding. How does that work with the loan conversion the Germans have?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 08:23
They`re not at the forefront of anything going by the website, deeply unimpressive.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 Dec 08:29
My worry is that we could be stepping out of the frying pan snd into the fire?
GmbH will not care one jot, of course. As long as someone meets their asking price.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Tue 10 Dec 08:29)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 Dec 08:30
Quote:
jake89, Tue 10 Dec 08:21
It looks like they`d be limited to a minority shareholding. How does that work with the loan conversion the Germans have?
That puzzles me too.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 10 Dec 09:54
It’s a case of wait and see for me, I’ve been around long enough to know that it’s a case of wait and see and you can never predict how these things are gonna go. The analytical background is interesting because it’s obviously worked for other clubs and seems to be the hot topic in footballing chat these days.
As long as there’s a string business plan in place, prudence when spending and investment to increase playing budgets and facilities, then I’m happy.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 10:24
Can anyone find any success stories linked to this analytics company?
I`m struggling?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 10 Dec 10:39
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:24
Can anyone find any success stories linked to this analytics company?
I`m struggling?
What would it achieve if someone did??
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 10:43
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Tue 10 Dec 10:39
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:24
Can anyone find any success stories linked to this analytics company?
I`m struggling?
What would it achieve if someone did??
Just curious, is that ok with you?
Do you not think it would encouraging if they had a traceable track record in finding decent players?
Honestly this site is full of cynical individuals that seemingly get off on belittling others posts.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:01
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:43
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Tue 10 Dec 10:39
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:24
Can anyone find any success stories linked to this analytics company?
I`m struggling?
What would it achieve if someone did??
Just curious, is that ok with you?
Do you not think it would encouraging if they had a traceable track record in finding decent players?
Honestly this site is full of cynical individuals that seemingly get off on belittling others posts.
Have to admit yours was a perfectly reasonable question
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:02
`Honestly this site is full of cynical individuals that seemingly get off on belittling others posts.`
😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:21
Let’s be honest we are not the most attractive option are we?
Never thought that a knight in shining armor is coming to turn our fortunes around.
There were three or four interested party’s apparently.
Think I would be more comfortable with an individual/company that has no ties to another team….analytical connections or not.
Hopefully it all gets resolved soon though.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:29
intrests/ownerships in other clubs is a tad more comforting that they have more than just a "business" pull to the club. Meggle aside the current group dont seem to have any footballing interests.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:31
Id say calling him a professional poker player is a a bit of a stretch……he’s in the top 500 money list of all time, granted an incredible achievement, but thats boosted by his last major win - a $2.3m win at the WSOPE One Drop in 2016……now I’m only taking that from Hendon Mob, which is the worlds leading poker database for players and is well reputed within that world. His last recorded cash before that was 2013. But it only tracks tournament results - he may have been a high stakes cash player since 🤷🏻♂️
Either way, there will always be a risk to any investment, you just need to think about is it more risky to be taken over by a group where one of them has made his millions through calculated gambling. It could be a great decision, or an absolute calamity. But theres a reason very few of the big poker names in the world are invested in sports teams, if any.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:39
"GmbH will not care one jot, of course. As long as someone meets their asking price."
club update, october 4th
"It is important to note that DAFC Fussball GmbH, Dunfermline Athletic Football Club Ltd and Pars United CIC are working collaboratively on this process to ensure that any new investor is well positioned to build upon the strong foundations that are in place and to help realise the great potential of our club."
"Sounds like a fit and proper person….poker player…"
hows Tony Bloom getting on?
its far too early to make any conclusions on either the guy himself or the deal as a whole, lets see the details, what the plans are, who else is involved etc
Post Edited (Tue 10 Dec 11:51)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:46
Quote:
GJS93, Tue 10 Dec 11:39
"GmbH will not care one jot, of course. As long as someone meets their asking price."
club update, october 4th
"It is important to note that DAFC Fussball GmbH, Dunfermline Athletic Football Club Ltd and Pars United CIC are working collaboratively on this process to ensure that any new investor is well positioned to build upon the strong foundations that are in place and to help realise the great potential of our club."
It loses me at "strong foundations".
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:49
Quote:
GJS93, Tue 10 Dec 11:39
"GmbH will not care one jot, of course. As long as someone meets their asking price."
club update, october 4th
"It is important to note that DAFC Fussball GmbH, Dunfermline Athletic Football Club Ltd and Pars United CIC are working collaboratively on this process to ensure that any new investor is well positioned to build upon the strong foundations that are in place and to help realise the great potential of our club."
"Sounds like a fit and proper person….poker player…"
hows Tony Bloom getting on?
Bloom may be the outlier in the equation btw, thats a good shout!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 10 Dec 12:09
The current owners won`t care who they sell to but they`re not going to come out and say "give us money and we`ll give you the keys, we don`t care who you are or where your money came from.".
Similarly, these guys are no fools. They`re in an interesting business and one that is growing. Believe it or not, a club on its bottom is the perfect choice. Probably why they bought into Cordoba too.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 12:26
Quote:
jake89, Tue 10 Dec 12:09
The current owners won`t care who they sell to but they`re not going to come out and say "give us money and we`ll give you the keys, we don`t care who you are or where your money came from.".
Similarly, these guys are no fools. They`re in an interesting business and one that is growing. Believe it or not, a club on its bottom is the perfect choice. Probably why they bought into Cordoba too.
My worry is for a sporting analytics company there isn`t much evidence of them actually doing it to any success, maybe someone with a bit more nous than I could search.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 10 Dec 12:37
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:43
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Buster_Brown, Tue 10 Dec 10:39
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:24
Can anyone find any success stories linked to this analytics company?
I`m struggling?
What would it achieve if someone did??
Just curious, is that ok with you?
Honestly this site is full of cynical individuals that seemingly get off on belittling others posts.
If ever there was a belittling comment, it’s yours!
My comment wasn’t made to belittle ANYONE. You have obviously spent time looking for a success story with this company and haven’t found any. All I asked was, what difference would it make if you did or didn’t.
FFS, why do I bother
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 12:40
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Buster_Brown, Tue 10 Dec 12:37
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:43
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Buster_Brown, Tue 10 Dec 10:39
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:24
Can anyone find any success stories linked to this analytics company?
I`m struggling?
What would it achieve if someone did??
Just curious, is that ok with you?
Honestly this site is full of cynical individuals that seemingly get off on belittling others posts.
If ever there was a belittling comment, it’s yours!
My comment wasn’t made to belittle ANYONE. You have obviously spent time looking for a success story with this company and haven’t found any. All I asked was, what difference would it make if you did or didn’t.
FFS, why do I bother
You thought you were being smart.
I`ll ask again, is it not of interest given it`s one of their main selling points?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Tue 10 Dec 12:46
For no single specific reason, this potential "investment" concerns me more than the German one did. Oh for a wealthy Pars supporter to come along!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 12:47
I think I found their Facebook page, no engagement or posts since 2021, no mentions.
Colour me cautious.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 10 Dec 12:47
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 12:40
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Buster_Brown, Tue 10 Dec 12:37
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:43
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Buster_Brown, Tue 10 Dec 10:39
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 10 Dec 10:24
Can anyone find any success stories linked to this analytics company?
I`m struggling?
What would it achieve if someone did??
Just curious, is that ok with you?
Honestly this site is full of cynical individuals that seemingly get off on belittling others posts.
If ever there was a belittling comment, it’s yours!
My comment wasn’t made to belittle ANYONE. You have obviously spent time looking for a success story with this company and haven’t found any. All I asked was, what difference would it make if you did or didn’t.
FFS, why do I bother
You thought you were being smart.
No I wasn’t, far from it.
I’ll leave it here
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:08
Find it strange the negativity because the bloke played Poker.
I don’t see the same disdain towards Tony Bloom.
To me it seems both men have similar sporting analytical companies having accrued a lot of their wealth from “gambling “ .
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:14
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Westies squint kicks, Tue 10 Dec 14:08
Find it strange the negativity because the bloke played Poker.
I don’t see the same disdain towards Tony Bloom.
To me it seems both men have similar sporting analytical companies having accrued a lot of their wealth from “gambling “ .
I wouldn’t say its negativity, more cautiousness. Poker players and pro gamblers rely on a relative amount of luck to make their money, more so than a generic businessman would.
For context though, their poker winnings are not even close to being high enough to make them rich enough to buy a football club, especially not Bloom at Brighton, so they must have done something right outside of that world to succeed.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:14
Is this guy worse than what we have just now ? Owners who aren`t spending any money and looking for a way out ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:22
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Westies squint kicks, Tue 10 Dec 14:08
Find it strange the negativity because the bloke played Poker.
I don’t see the same disdain towards Tony Bloom.
To me it seems both men have similar sporting analytical companies having accrued a lot of their wealth from “gambling “ .
This guy`s analytical company doesn`t seem to be doing much?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 10 Dec 14:30
From InsideWorldFootball re their involvement with Cordoba FC
“September 23 – Córdoba FC, promoted back into the second tier of Spain’s LaLiga via the play-offs at the end of last season, have announced San Francisco-based sports data analytics and software company Short Circuit Science as a minority investor.
In December 2019, the club was bought by Bahrain-based investment fund Infinity Sports Ventures for a reported amount of €3.25 million and since then has made steady progress back into LaLiga’s higher and professional tiers.
Infinity will still hold the majority stake but Short Circuit will have a seat on the board.
“The entry of Park Bench (Short Circuit Science) will result in a strategic collaboration that aims to strengthen the stability and growth of the club, through the reinforcement of the sporting structure, the improvement of infrastructures and the commitment to the development of technological resources,” said a club statement.
“With the focus on the club itself and its supporters, this latest boost will allow the club to offer new opportunities to realize the potential of different areas with plans to develop a football academy to attract and train young talent* bring the performance of its sporting structure to a new level, implement technological projects and access new markets for talent.”
*sounds familiar but DW is correct, there’s very little out there re their actual business model.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 10 Dec 15:13
"To me it seems both men have similar sporting analytical companies having accrued a lot of their wealth from “gambling “
I think it`s a stretch to suggest that our guy`s analytics company is similar to Tony Bloom`s - in terms of having a record of success.
Short Circuit Science may turn out to be the world leaders in the market, but that`s wishful thinking at the moment.
"Poker players and pro gamblers rely on a relative amount of luck to make their money, more so than a generic businessman would."
Disagree with that, over the long-term anyway. The best poker players, over a sustained period of time, have a good record of making the right decisions, at the right time, based on the information they have.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Dec 15:14
Good stuff Buffy, a bit more than I found, my concern is there doesn`t seem much to find.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Tue 10 Dec 16:19
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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 10 Dec 15:13
"To me it seems both men have similar sporting analytical companies having accrued a lot of their wealth from “gambling “
I think it`s a stretch to suggest that our guy`s analytics company is similar to Tony Bloom`s - in terms of having a record of success.
Short Circuit Science may turn out to be the world leaders in the market, but that`s wishful thinking at the moment.
"Poker players and pro gamblers rely on a relative amount of luck to make their money, more so than a generic businessman would."
Disagree with that, over the long-term anyway. The best poker players, over a sustained period of time, have a good record of making the right decisions, at the right time, based on the information they have.
Similar in that they are both offering a very niche service, there was no mention of levels of success.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 10 Dec 16:29
I`d be interested in what they`ve done at Cordoba so far but the problem is they`ve only been in a couple of months.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Tue 10 Dec 16:48
What choice do you have? You just have to hope for the best 🙏
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Tue 10 Dec 16:57
If he’s the man, I’d concentrate on his business acumen and the sports analysis expertise rather than his ability at poker.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Tue 10 Dec 17:33
Maybe he`s the face of a group of investors and the person or people with the money are behind him. Great to hear glimmers of news of new investment.
I`m a bit irked by the data/analytical angle being talked about in relation to it though.
The data available at our level is quite different to that you see on Sky or recorded against top league matches. We aren`t high enough in the pyramid to have a team sitting in the stand, or at OPTA HQ, pressing buttons to track pass completion, headers won, tackles won, dangerous runs, successful dribbles, player shooting xG, producing positional heat maps, etc.
We could definitely make more of analysis, particularly in its use for specific opposition analysis or scouting players. The latter would be resource intensive and therefore costly unless you are recruiting players from a decent level where the data already exists.
I think the way some teams or data services get around this cost is by shipping footage off to low income parts of the world where the matches are watched and counts taken of specific elements. AI (a very broad brush of technologies) video analysis can only do so much in this regard...for an example of bad computer based image recognition, think of the pandemic pixellot streams, where the camera zoomed in on the baldy farside linesman...
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 17:53
We all wondered what the German investors` motivation was. This guy`s a gambler. Won`t he just be looking to make a buck? That`s not necessarily a bad thing but it doesn`t suggest long-term commitment. It`s the same question that`s asked about all these outside investors who have got involved in Scottish football. I don`t think anyone has come up with a convincing answer yet.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 10 Dec 17:54
We have a person in the gantry (in the extension part) who provides the data analysis programme for the manager and team. We have had this for over 15 years. It was, at the time we received it, state of the art and was welcomed by the club. It’s probably been updated since then.
It’s fascinating to watch it in action.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 10 Dec 17:56
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wee eck, Tue 10 Dec 17:53
We all wondered what the German investors` motivation was. This guy`s a gambler. Won`t he just be looking to make a buck? That`s not necessarily a bad thing but it doesn`t suggest long-term commitment. It`s the same question that`s asked about all these outside investors who have got involved in Scottish football. I don`t think anyone has come up with a convincing answer yet.
According to Wikipedia he hasn’t been gambling for over a decade now. Describes him as a entrepreneur.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:00
I can`t imagine he`s lost the gambler`s instinct, buffy! In truth we need to know a lot more about this before coming to any conclusions.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:02
In truth your conclusion or concerns won`t matter a jot. We have no say on this, we don`t have a seat at the table.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:04
We are a middling Championship team or 1st Dividion team dependant on how this season goes , the City Group are not going to be interested in clubs at our level, so it`s not going to be well Kent faces in the boardroom , the Germans made a mess of thier plan, can we be any worse.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:17
Well, for all their faults, I don`t think the Germans have bankrupted us. There`s no guarantee that a new investor wouldn`t but that`s what due diligence is about.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:29
It absolutely could be worse than `the Germans`.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:32
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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 10 Dec 18:29
It absolutely could be worse than `the Germans`.
Reminds me of a Fawlty Towers episode.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:34
The club also use wyscout to track players etc. si ferry did a good interview with the ex hearts sporting director Joe savage. If you haven`t already i would definitely give it a listen it`s a brilliant insight to his job at hearts and how tools like wyscout can help Scottish teams compete when trying to unearth gems.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 10 Dec 18:56
The analytics side of things has worked well for Brighton and Brentford been very profitable for both clubs what have we got to lose
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 10 Dec 19:34
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DA-go Par Adonis, Tue 10 Dec 18:29
It absolutely could be worse than `the Germans`.
It definitely can, look at some of the absolute roasters that have owned a large number of English sides over the years
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 10 Dec 19:49
The analytics is much more advanced than watching back recordings. It can all be done through AI nowadays. Camera scan what`s going on and output the analysis and recommendations. It can spot things most humans won`t. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until we're promoted.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Tue 10 Dec 21:00
An interesting concept with the use of AI and analytical assessment of players both during games but also as a tool to develop younger players. Potentially, Dunfermline could be an experiment in the application of the technology. It`s potentially a good investment for their business in terms of advertising the technology by applying it in the championship. It probably costs less than an advertising campaign.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 10 Dec 21:04
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Jeffery, Tue 10 Dec 17:33
Maybe he`s the face of a group of investors and the person or people with the money are behind him. Great to hear glimmers of news of new investment.
I`m a bit irked by the data/analytical angle being talked about in relation to it though.
The data available at our level is quite different to that you see on Sky or recorded against top league matches. We aren`t high enough in the pyramid to have a team sitting in the stand, or at OPTA HQ, pressing buttons to track pass completion, headers won, tackles won, dangerous runs, successful dribbles, player shooting xG, producing positional heat maps, etc.
We could definitely make more of analysis, particularly in its use for specific opposition analysis or scouting players. The latter would be resource intensive and therefore costly unless you are recruiting players from a decent level where the data already exists.
I think the way some teams or data services get around this cost is by shipping footage off to low income parts of the world where the matches are watched and counts taken of specific elements. AI (a very broad brush of technologies) video analysis can only do so much in this regard...for an example of bad computer based image recognition, think of the pandemic pixellot streams, where the camera zoomed in on the baldy farside linesman...
I think you are really far off the mark with all of this. I know a couple of players that play for Scottish Premiership and League 1 Clubs and have seen the information that they get from Whyscout. I think it`s available to anyone for a yearly subscription of about 300 quid. It`s extremely detailed, heat maps of where they are on the pitch, maps showing every touch they have, every pass they make, whether completed or not, tackles made. It gives an incredible amount of statistical detail, which was fascinating to me, but in the hands of a football person who knew what he was looking for, would be invaluable. Analysed by AI it would be even more useful. I`d imagine the type of systems the likes of Brighton and Brentford are using will be cutting edge and will be identifying players that can do a job for them, but the same systems can probably identify players that are playing at a lower level to us who could use us as a stepping stone to a higher level
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Topic Originator: Kintos
Date: Tue 10 Dec 21:29
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jake89, Tue 10 Dec 19:49
The analytics is much more advanced than watching back recordings. It can all be done through AI nowadays. Camera scan what`s going on and output the analysis and recommendations. It can spot things most humans won`t. It can`t be bargained with. It can`t be reasoned with. It doesn`t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until we`re promoted.
Nicely done sir 👏👏
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 Dec 21:32
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red-star-par, Tue 10 Dec 21:04
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Jeffery, Tue 10 Dec 17:33
Maybe he`s the face of a group of investors and the person or people with the money are behind him. Great to hear glimmers of news of new investment.
I`m a bit irked by the data/analytical angle being talked about in relation to it though.
The data available at our level is quite different to that you see on Sky or recorded against top league matches. We aren`t high enough in the pyramid to have a team sitting in the stand, or at OPTA HQ, pressing buttons to track pass completion, headers won, tackles won, dangerous runs, successful dribbles, player shooting xG, producing positional heat maps, etc.
We could definitely make more of analysis, particularly in its use for specific opposition analysis or scouting players. The latter would be resource intensive and therefore costly unless you are recruiting players from a decent level where the data already exists.
I think the way some teams or data services get around this cost is by shipping footage off to low income parts of the world where the matches are watched and counts taken of specific elements. AI (a very broad brush of technologies) video analysis can only do so much in this regard...for an example of bad computer based image recognition, think of the pandemic pixellot streams, where the camera zoomed in on the baldy farside linesman...
I think you are really far off the mark with all of this. I know a couple of players that play for Scottish Premiership and League 1 Clubs and have seen the information that they get from Whyscout. I think it`s available to anyone for a yearly subscription of about 300 quid. It`s extremely detailed, heat maps of where they are on the pitch, maps showing every touch they have, every pass they make, whether completed or not, tackles made. It gives an incredible amount of statistical detail, which was fascinating to me, but in the hands of a football person who knew what he was looking for, would be invaluable. Analysed by AI it would be even more useful. I`d imagine the type of systems the likes of Brighton and Brentford are using will be cutting edge and will be identifying players that can do a job for them, but the same systems can probably identify players that are playing at a lower level to us who could use us as a stepping stone to a higher level
Maybe tell Man Utd about this ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 10 Dec 21:32
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Kintos, Tue 10 Dec 21:29
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jake89, Tue 10 Dec 19:49
The analytics is much more advanced than watching back recordings. It can all be done through AI nowadays. Camera scan what`s going on and output the analysis and recommendations. It can spot things most humans won`t. It can`t be bargained with. It can`t be reasoned with. It doesn`t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until we`re promoted.
Nicely done sir 👏👏
We’ll be back
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 10 Dec 23:45
Can they use this technology to find a new manager?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 11 Dec 00:04
Could someone else maybe have a look into the analytics company involved?
Because for all the chat of the benefits I can`t find much at all regarding Short Circuit Science have much history actually doing this?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Wed 11 Dec 00:42
"My name is Bord, James Bord", not so much poker playing investor we need but a shaken, not stirred philanthropist.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 11 Dec 07:20
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red-star-par, Tue 10 Dec 21:04
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Jeffery, Tue 10 Dec 17:33
Maybe he`s the face of a group of investors and the person or people with the money are behind him. Great to hear glimmers of news of new investment.
I`m a bit irked by the data/analytical angle being talked about in relation to it though.
The data available at our level is quite different to that you see on Sky or recorded against top league matches. We aren`t high enough in the pyramid to have a team sitting in the stand, or at OPTA HQ, pressing buttons to track pass completion, headers won, tackles won, dangerous runs, successful dribbles, player shooting xG, producing positional heat maps, etc.
We could definitely make more of analysis, particularly in its use for specific opposition analysis or scouting players. The latter would be resource intensive and therefore costly unless you are recruiting players from a decent level where the data already exists.
I think the way some teams or data services get around this cost is by shipping footage off to low income parts of the world where the matches are watched and counts taken of specific elements. AI (a very broad brush of technologies) video analysis can only do so much in this regard...for an example of bad computer based image recognition, think of the pandemic pixellot streams, where the camera zoomed in on the baldy farside linesman...
I think you are really far off the mark with all of this. I know a couple of players that play for Scottish Premiership and League 1 Clubs and have seen the information that they get from Whyscout. I think it`s available to anyone for a yearly subscription of about 300 quid. It`s extremely detailed, heat maps of where they are on the pitch, maps showing every touch they have, every pass they make, whether completed or not, tackles made. It gives an incredible amount of statistical detail, which was fascinating to me, but in the hands of a football person who knew what he was looking for, would be invaluable. Analysed by AI it would be even more useful. I`d imagine the type of systems the likes of Brighton and Brentford are using will be cutting edge and will be identifying players that can do a job for them, but the same systems can probably identify players that are playing at a lower level to us who could use us as a stepping stone to a higher level
Agree Red Star, this is something that has been worked on for many years. The Sports Science is very useful for understanding our own team performance. I expect data from opposition performance is harder to obtain. Our players actually wear sports vests currently so I expect some level of detail is already available to our players. Also Arsenal actively promote it and have done for some time, including tracking your own personal data to their players data.
For us Europeans playing soccer it is relatively new but US American Football, this has been around for years and provides some good reading.
The question is whether the humans that use it believe in it and what does it change or wake up in the players that improves things for them.
Mark Cavendish often said his stats would mean he is a rank outsider, yet he managed to be the greatest sprinter of all times. Why? Because he said he could read race situations better than any other rider in the race, so stats can only take you so far. There also must be that extra within the individuals that analytics cannot define.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 11 Dec 09:26
Analytics are obviously very useful but they will never predict how a player reacts under pressure, split second decision making , individual determination, or off field issues that will effect a players performance.
The movie Moneyball showed how it worked….and to a degree , failed.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Wed 11 Dec 14:35
Topic Originator: desparado like
Date: Wed 11 Dec 09:26
Analytics are obviously very useful but they will never predict how a player reacts under pressure, split second decision making , individual determination, or off field issues that will effect a players performance.
The movie Moneyball showed how it worked….and to a degree , failed.
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There`s a heck of a lot of psychometric stuff around, that can analyse the headspace stuff to add to the physical ... but a bit like all the stuff around in business when hiring someone, it`s what they could achieve not just what they have achieved or you wouldn`t ever progress .... and we would be left signing players who have played at a higher level and ... ( oops - a bit too close to home)
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: DrumRoad
Date: Wed 11 Dec 16:56
Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 10 Dec
“what have we got to lose”
…….. Absolutely everything including EEP
2022/23 League one Winners
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 11 Dec 18:03
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DrumRoad, Wed 11 Dec 16:56
Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 10 Dec
“what have we got to lose”
…….. Absolutely everything including EEP
EEP is not owned by the club.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Wed 11 Dec 18:04
I`m pretty nervous at how things play out from now. As bad as the Germans have been we`re still afloat and more or less where we were when they came in.
It feels now that we have very little say in what goes on at the club which is probably how it was always going to go when mcarthur cited we needed outside investment.
All I want is someone with ambition (something we`ve lacked for many years), leadership - someone to spearhead the club with a clear direction and honesty/transparency. Hopefully this guy is the man but for no particular reason I`m very hesitant.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 11 Dec 18:21
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jake89, Wed 11 Dec 18:03
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DrumRoad, Wed 11 Dec 16:56
Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 10 Dec
“what have we got to lose”
…….. Absolutely everything including EEP
EEP is not owned by the club.
One interested party is looking at both the team and stadium as a package deal....
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 11 Dec 18:30
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desparado, Wed 11 Dec 09:26
Analytics are obviously very useful but they will never predict how a player reacts under pressure, split second decision making , individual determination, or off field issues that will effect a players performance.
The movie Moneyball showed how it worked….and to a degree , failed.
It didn’t fail tho. Every baseball team in America basically follows moneyball or some form of it.
COYP
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 11 Dec 19:12
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Tenruh, Wed 11 Dec 18:21
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jake89, Wed 11 Dec 18:03
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DrumRoad, Wed 11 Dec 16:56
Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 10 Dec
“what have we got to lose”
…….. Absolutely everything including EEP
EEP is not owned by the club.
One interested party is looking at both the team and stadium as a package deal....
Why on earth would the stadium be part of any deal? The current owners don’t have anything to do with it.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 11 Dec 19:37
Quote:
Tenruh, Wed 11 Dec 18:21
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jake89, Wed 11 Dec 18:03
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DrumRoad, Wed 11 Dec 16:56
Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Tue 10 Dec
“what have we got to lose”
…….. Absolutely everything including EEP
EEP is not owned by the club.
One interested party is looking at both the team and stadium as a package deal....
That sounds like a story to me. At no point has anyone came out and said EEP was up for sale. Yes, interested parties may be interested in purchasing it, but it’s not for sale
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 11 Dec 20:13
Would the sale of EEP really be that big a deal? It’s too big, too expensive and half the time is like a morgue…..
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 11 Dec 20:15
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 11 Dec 20:13
Would the sale of EEP really be that big a deal? It’s too big, too expensive and half the time is like a morgue…..
It`s also a massive asset. Would we want to risk ending up like Airdrie and having to share grounds for years?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 11 Dec 20:46
Quote:
jake89, Wed 11 Dec 20:15
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 11 Dec 20:13
Would the sale of EEP really be that big a deal? It’s too big, too expensive and half the time is like a morgue…..
It`s also a massive asset. Would we want to risk ending up like Airdrie and having to share grounds for years?
It’s also an asset we don’t technically own……Im just providing an alternative viewpoint thats all btw.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Wed 11 Dec 21:03
Still never had a detailed explanation on why our ground costs so much to run, I do know the commercial department is shocking .
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 11 Dec 21:10
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 10 Dec 23:45
Can they use this technology to find a new manager?
Hearts did apparently
COYP
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 11 Dec 21:31
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 11 Dec 20:46
Quote:
jake89, Wed 11 Dec 20:15
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 11 Dec 20:13
Would the sale of EEP really be that big a deal? It’s too big, too expensive and half the time is like a morgue…..
It`s also a massive asset. Would we want to risk ending up like Airdrie and having to share grounds for years?
It’s also an asset we don’t technically own……Im just providing an alternative viewpoint thats all btw.
There’s no technically. The club don’t own the ground.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 11 Dec 21:35
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 11 Dec 20:13
Would the sale of EEP really be that big a deal? It’s too big, too expensive and half the time is like a morgue…..
It would be for me, I love EEP and it’s home. Unless it was a plan, similar to the one St.Mirren had or Dundee currently have then it would be a huge concern from me if we were to sell it to be left homeless. I genuinely think EEP is amongst the best of the provincial club grounds and there’s plenty of life left in it, despite needing “a lick of paint”.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Wed 11 Dec 21:57
I`ve been attending EEP for several decades and worked in the Commercial Department during the 90s. For me, it`s one of the top grounds in the country with a great atmosphere when there`s a good crowd in, admittedly something we could improve on at the moment, and I`d be gutted if we moved to one of these boxy, soulless stadia that seem to be quite prevalent when cubs move.
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Wed 11 Dec 21:59
When we left administration and pars unitied(eep) bought the ground the lease signed was lock tight. I think that`s still in place despite GBMH having shares in EEP(tho it`s been suggested these are the b shares previously held by pars united CIC.
If is still in place, EEP can not be sold without an alternative ground that the club agrees is suitable is built.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 11 Dec 22:10
Quote:
CitizenPar, Wed 11 Dec 21:57
For me, it`s one of the top grounds in the country with a great atmosphere when there`s a good crowd in
Delighted to read I’m not alone in thinking this
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 11 Dec 22:30
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Wed 11 Dec 22:10
Quote:
CitizenPar, Wed 11 Dec 21:57
For me, it`s one of the top grounds in the country with a great atmosphere when there`s a good crowd in
Delighted to read I’m not alone in thinking this
I agree too. As much as I think the catering is crap, the actual stadium has a lot of character to it and is nicely laid out.
I`ve often thought we should bite the bullet and move to a new stadium that would be cheaper to run. The issue is there is nowhere suitable in Dunfermline other than out of town sites. The best alternative would probably be the northern section of the land at Broomhall (or the City Quarter) but it`s already marked for housing and business with Persimmon soon to start building.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 12 Dec 07:10
I`m sorry but east end is a run down stadium no longer fit for purpose. We very rarely fill it and there always seems to be problems with it. As a poster said above what are the ACTUAL costs that makes it so expensive? Dave Cook at supporters meetings (interestingly they have been shelved) was always talking about eep being a big cost but when he was asked why compared to others he couldn`t come up with an answer.
If someone wants to buy eep we should try and get a deal where we get a 7/8k wee ground elsewhere. Worked for St Mirren.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Thu 12 Dec 07:12)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 12 Dec 08:53
Quote:
CitizenPar, Wed 11 Dec 21:57
I`ve been attending EEP for several decades and worked in the Commercial Department during the 90s. For me, it`s one of the top grounds in the country with a great atmosphere when there`s a good crowd in, admittedly something we could improve on at the moment, and I`d be gutted if we moved to one of these boxy, soulless stadia that seem to be quite prevalent when cubs move.
A great atmosphere? When 2 teams come to town you could maybe claim that, but then we get hit with fines after.
Also, in my 20 years of being a fan it’s been sold out to capacity maybe twice. We didn’t even get close to a sell out on trophy day in 2011 v Falkirk. That in itself proves it’s too big for its needs.
I will agree that to move it would mean it goes out of town - unless a large area of commercial properties needed knocked down to build there, it would be out at Duloch or on the Cairneyhill/McKane Park routes out of town.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 12 Dec 10:17
There is no real viable land left in the city boundaries, so it would end up being worse than Mcdairmid,
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 12 Dec 11:49
"I'm sorry but East End Park is a run down stadium no longer fit for purpose"
Stopped reading right there.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Thu 12 Dec 11:51)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 12 Dec 12:06
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 12 Dec 11:49
"I`m sorry but East End Park is a run down stadium no longer fit for purpose"
Stopped reading right there.
Will get to find out at Falkirk game if the hole in the back of the Norries been fixed yet 😃
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Thu 12 Dec 12:07
Aye, EEP is pretty decent compared to the other stadiums built if the same era. McDiarmid almost gets a pass as that was the first, but Airdrie, Falkirk, Hamilton, Cumbernauld (ex-Clyde), etc are all in pretty terrible locations for going for food or drink before or after a game, Dens, St Mirren, Livingston, etc all look pretty cheap and nasty compared to East End (no raised disabled area, everything just breeze block rather than red brick and tile, narrow turnstiles and catering areas, etc). There Main Stand is in much better nick than the examples at Firhill, Cappilow, Motherwell, Ayr, etc. The North West being smaller and with the roof being at a lower height means the atmosphere in there can be good when there is a good crowd in. I`m struggling to think of any comparable stadiums that have as much going for it. Even some of the bigger ones, like Tannadice and Rugby Park aren`t as good IMO. It`s only really the big city clubs that have stadiums that are much better than EEP. The only improvements I`d like to see is an upgrade to the tannoy, proper terracing in the North Stand and if money was no object then a cantilevered roof to replace the two older ones with supporting pillars.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Thu 12 Dec 12:14
I agree with all of that, kelty_par.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 12 Dec 12:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 12 Dec 11:49
"I`m sorry but East End Park is a run down stadium no longer fit for purpose"
Stopped reading right there.
But still couldn`t resist taking the time to comment? That makes perfect sense.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Thu 12 Dec 13:02
Quote:
kelty_par, Thu 12 Dec 12:07
Aye, EEP is pretty decent compared to the other stadiums built if the same era. McDiarmid almost gets a pass as that was the first, but Airdrie, Falkirk, Hamilton, Cumbernauld (ex-Clyde), etc are all in pretty terrible locations for going for food or drink before or after a game, Dens, St Mirren, Livingston, etc all look pretty cheap and nasty compared to East End (no raised disabled area, everything just breeze block rather than red brick and tile, narrow turnstiles and catering areas, etc). There Main Stand is in much better nick than the examples at Firhill, Cappilow, Motherwell, Ayr, etc. The North West being smaller and with the roof being at a lower height means the atmosphere in there can be good when there is a good crowd in. I`m struggling to think of any comparable stadiums that have as much going for it. Even some of the bigger ones, like Tannadice and Rugby Park aren`t as good IMO. It`s only really the big city clubs that have stadiums that are much better than EEP. The only improvements I`d like to see is an upgrade to the tannoy, proper terracing in the North Stand and if money was no object then a cantilevered roof to replace the two older ones with supporting pillars.
Well said Kelty_Par 👏🏻
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 12 Dec 13:10
Don’t think there’s much wrong with the stadium at all, other than the catering which continues to be poor and the toilet situation in the NW which really does need looked at.
Other than that, the stadium is only as good as its occupants so if we focus on getting the team performances up and work out ways of encouraging people to come to games, EEP can be bouncing like it has been on occasion even this season
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 12 Dec 13:11
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Thu 12 Dec 12:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 12 Dec 11:49
"I`m sorry but East End Park is a run down stadium no longer fit for purpose"
Stopped reading right there.
But still couldn`t resist taking the time to comment? That makes perfect sense.
Yes I stopped reading. No point continuing as your opening sentence was absolute nonsense. It does make perfect sense if you think about it.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 12 Dec 13:18
I love EEP, it`s full of charm and character. A wee dab of paint wouldn`t go amiss and modern toilets with handsoap and air dryers. I think it`s beautiful.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 12 Dec 13:32
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 12 Dec 13:11
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Thu 12 Dec 12:39
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da_no_1, Thu 12 Dec 11:49
"I`m sorry but East End Park is a run down stadium no longer fit for purpose"
Stopped reading right there.
But still couldn`t resist taking the time to comment? That makes perfect sense.
Yes I stopped reading. No point continuing as your opening sentence was absolute nonsense. It does make perfect sense if you think about it.
Shame you didn`t read the rest of it but you can`t win them all.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 12 Dec 14:21
It`s been done to death on here before. There`s no better location available in terms of football but somewhere like the field by the Halbeath Park and Ride would make more commercial sense. No more pints before the game but it would open up more conferencing and events use, which would make the club plenty money.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Thu 12 Dec 15:01
I agree that east end if looked after could be a brillaint stadium, i love east end even though nowadays it feels a wee bit dreary(is that the right word lol) however if we even were to downgrade capacity and move it would have to be the right time, with the right owners etc, however i have been going to east end since i was 1 and i could never think of watching pars games anywhere else
COYP
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Thu 12 Dec 15:25
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 12 Dec 08:53
Also, in my 20 years of being a fan it’s been sold out to capacity maybe twice. We didn’t even get close to a sell out on trophy day in 2011 v Falkirk. That in itself proves it’s too big for its needs.
Poor example given we`d already won the league & the Babies were in a huff about it.
There was a near capacity crowd the previous home game for the top of the table clash with the Rovers - not bad for a Fife derby.
Had Falkirk been in the hunt & we hadn`t already sewn the title up it would have been a far bigger away support.
We have only sold out a couple of times, but there is a few other occasions we have gone close.
8k would prob be enough, generally, but in certain circumstances we certainly can get over 10k.
COME ON YE PARS!
Post Edited (Thu 12 Dec 15:28)
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Thu 12 Dec 18:29
If we moved to a soulless out-of-town location where folks either have to get a bus or drive to an under-provisioned car park with one entrance/exit, then I’d hazard a guess that we could get away with a capacity of 5,000 ;)
This is my signature
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 12 Dec 19:02
Probably how much we get now if you didn`t count season ticket holders not in attendance.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 12 Dec 19:19
East End Park is a fantastic stadium. Speaking to folk at work in Edinburgh and they all agree that much. Looking at the stadia in Scotland, Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts are bigger and have decent atmospheres but after that EEP is one of the best. I`d say the place does need a bit of cash spent on it, but it`s a fantastic place to watch football.
It would absolutely break my heart to see it sold for cheap build Duloch-style houses and replaced by a Legoland Stadium out on the edge of town. If it involved buses to get there from the town centre, I`d probably just give it a miss
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Topic Originator: Fethiyespar
Date: Thu 12 Dec 19:38
If any fan would like to move our football club away from Halbeath Road go to a game at The Caledonian Stadium in Inverness. Caley fans had a great little stadium in Telford Street, look what they have to endure now, awful stadium.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Thu 12 Dec 19:40
We dont and,should not want to move ,What we need is to bring the stadium up to date .We all know this cost miney and lots of it. EEP has an amazig character and atmosphere.We should be applying for every type of goverment grant for upgrades.Local buisnesess attached to EEP Offering materials and manpower wherever possible . Fans whobare tradesman offering their services for specific projects and the club rewarding these people,with season tkts ,and other incentatives
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 12 Dec 19:42
Quote:
SusieQ, Thu 12 Dec 15:25
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 12 Dec 08:53
Also, in my 20 years of being a fan it’s been sold out to capacity maybe twice. We didn’t even get close to a sell out on trophy day in 2011 v Falkirk. That in itself proves it’s too big for its needs.
Poor example given we`d already won the league & the Babies were in a huff about it.
There was a near capacity crowd the previous home game for the top of the table clash with the Rovers - not bad for a Fife derby.
Had Falkirk been in the hunt & we hadn`t already sewn the title up it would have been a far bigger away support.
We have only sold out a couple of times, but there is a few other occasions we have gone close.
8k would prob be enough, generally, but in certain circumstances we certainly can get over 10k.
It’s only a poor example in your eyes because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Even outwith the title lifting day, we haven’t reached 5 figures v Falkirk in the last 2 decades.
Even in our last long Premier League stint our avg attendance was only just over 6k.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 12 Dec 19:45
Quote:
Rigger Al, Thu 12 Dec 19:40
We dont and,should not want to move ,What we need is to bring the stadium up to date .We all know this cost miney and lots of it. EEP has an amazig character and atmosphere.We should be applying for every type of goverment grant for upgrades.Local buisnesess attached to EEP Offering materials and manpower wherever possible . Fans whobare tradesman offering their services for specific projects and the club rewarding these people,with season tkts ,and other incentatives
Tradesmen have been sought out for years to do voluntary work on the stadium and how many have stepped up to the mark? Very few.
We’ve used our last government grant for the academy/training ground - is that even near completion? Or has work now halted until the takeover is completed?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 12 Dec 20:18
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 12 Dec 19:42
Quote:
SusieQ, Thu 12 Dec 15:25
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 12 Dec 08:53
Also, in my 20 years of being a fan it’s been sold out to capacity maybe twice. We didn’t even get close to a sell out on trophy day in 2011 v Falkirk. That in itself proves it’s too big for its needs.
Poor example given we`d already won the league & the Babies were in a huff about it.
There was a near capacity crowd the previous home game for the top of the table clash with the Rovers - not bad for a Fife derby.
Had Falkirk been in the hunt & we hadn`t already sewn the title up it would have been a far bigger away support.
We have only sold out a couple of times, but there is a few other occasions we have gone close.
8k would prob be enough, generally, but in certain circumstances we certainly can get over 10k.
It’s only a poor example in your eyes because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Even outwith the title lifting day, we haven’t reached 5 figures v Falkirk in the last 2 decades.
Even in our last long Premier League stint our avg attendance was only just over 6k.
So what? Most grounds are half empty these days. Why should we beat ourselves up about it. We have a great wee ground.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 12 Dec 20:25
It`s not really worth thinking about tbh. The land isnt worth a lot unless a supermarket like Morrisons or Sainsbury`s wanted to go there. The cost would need to cover buying land elsewhere and building a new stadium. As mentioned, the only likely viable site would be by the park and ride. As much as it would be good commercially, it would be crap for both home and away fans, and it would have a negative impact on the shops, pubs and restaurants in Dunfermline.
Developing EEP, like Hearts have done at Tynecastle would be much more desirable but would cost money we don`t have. In reality you`d be talking about rebuilding the main stand, and making more of the space for corporate use or a hotel rather than seats. The Norrie and East Stand aren`t old but could do with money being spent too.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Thu 12 Dec 20:30
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 12 Dec 19:45
Quote:
Rigger Al, Thu 12 Dec 19:40
We dont and,should not want to move ,What we need is to bring the stadium up to date .We all know this cost miney and lots of it. EEP has an amazig character and atmosphere.We should be applying for every type of goverment grant for upgrades.Local buisnesess attached to EEP Offering materials and manpower wherever possible . Fans whobare tradesman offering their services for specific projects and the club rewarding these people,with season tkts ,and other incentatives
Tradesmen have been sought out for years to do voluntary work on the stadium and how many have stepped up to the mark? Very few.
We’ve used our last government grant for the academy/training ground - is that even near completion? Or has work now halted until the takeover is completed?
thanks for update
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 12 Dec 21:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 12 Dec 11:49
"I`m sorry but East End Park is a run down stadium no longer fit for purpose"
Stopped reading right there.
Still commented tho
COYP
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 12 Dec 21:25
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 12 Dec 21:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 12 Dec 11:49
"I`m sorry but East End Park is a run down stadium no longer fit for purpose"
Stopped reading right there.
Still commented tho
Fascinating post 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Thu 12 Dec 21:26
Using my 2:2 Engineering degree from Napier, always felt it would be doable to slice the top 3rd of the 2 goal end stands. Bring the capacity to about 8000?
The location is fantastic, god forbid we ever end up with a St Mirren Park
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 12 Dec 21:43
I think the club will need to be ambitious and do something with the main stand. The problem will be its financing, meaning whatever they do, it’s a critical decision. The main stand is an old stand and sitting in it, you feel it. I do think they have certainly made their best efforts with the facilities inside the stand (legends, the suits etc)
I honestly don’t think the stadium is “too big”. The SMiSA has a capacity of 7,937 and has an average attendance of around 6,800. Folk might read that and think it’s perfect but I read that and think for the potentially 4/5/6 games a season they could do with an extra couple of thousand seats, they’ve no got them. That’s lost revenue in my eyes. It’s also hugely frustrating for fans that couldn’t get tickets to these games - I think it was Kilmarnock (at the start of the split when they were chasing European places or something) there last season when I read a thread of St Mirren fans no happy at being able to get tickets.
Worth noting that in the last couple of seasons, the interest is there. 9000 attendance in league 1. Would have been a full house if not for issues with the North East. For me I don’t think reducing the capacity would help anyone.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 12 Dec 21:44
Quote:
doctordandruff, Thu 12 Dec 21:26
Using my 2:2 Engineering degree from Napier, always felt it would be doable to slice the top 3rd of the 2 goal end stands. Bring the capacity to about 8000?
The location is fantastic, god forbid we ever end up with a St Mirren Park
Why would you spend however much it would cost, to reduce the capacity there? What’s the point?
Maybe take your 2,2 degree and burn it
COYP
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Thu 12 Dec 22:07
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 12 Dec 21:44
Quote:
doctordandruff, Thu 12 Dec 21:26
Using my 2:2 Engineering degree from Napier, always felt it would be doable to slice the top 3rd of the 2 goal end stands. Bring the capacity to about 8000?
The location is fantastic, god forbid we ever end up with a St Mirren Park
Why would you spend however much it would cost, to reduce the capacity there? What’s the point?
Maybe take your 2,2 degree and burn it
spend the money you plan to reduce the capacity and upgrade and keep the capacity
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 12 Dec 22:34
Do you want a Falkirk solution? Take out the North, have three stands... and a fine uninterrupted view of the cemetery.
:)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 12 Dec 22:36
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 12 Dec 22:34
Do you want a Falkirk solution? Take out the North, have three stands... and a fine uninterrupted view of the cemetery.
:)
But but but the Grangemouth blast zone 😂
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 12 Dec 22:40
Quote:
Rigger Al, Thu 12 Dec 22:07
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 12 Dec 21:44
Quote:
doctordandruff, Thu 12 Dec 21:26
Using my 2:2 Engineering degree from Napier, always felt it would be doable to slice the top 3rd of the 2 goal end stands. Bring the capacity to about 8000?
The location is fantastic, god forbid we ever end up with a St Mirren Park
Why would you spend however much it would cost, to reduce the capacity there? What’s the point?
Maybe take your 2,2 degree and burn it
spend the money you plan to reduce the capacity and upgrade and keep the capacity
That would be my thoughts.
Like if we loose any capacity it’ll be due to redevelopment of the main stand. Maybe using the area for other commercial opportunities. Maybe only having Box’s and suits directors box there and relying on the rest of the stadium for the capacity.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 12 Dec 22:55
Knock down the north stand, which I believe only holds about 1,500, and build some boxes with views over the pitch, and put hospitality, bars, suites etc in there, a proper TV gantry and media suite, maybe some office space on the other floors
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 12 Dec 22:55
Popcorn ready.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 12 Dec 22:58
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 12 Dec 22:55
Popcorn ready.....
Why?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 12 Dec 23:07
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 12 Dec 22:55
Knock down the north stand, which I believe only holds about 1,500, and build some boxes with views over the pitch, and put hospitality, bars, suites etc in there, a proper TV gantry and media suite, maybe some office space on the other floors
We can’t fill the hospitality boxes we currently have.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 13 Dec 00:48
You’ve caught a few 🐟 there Tenruh.
Notice the absence of the fisherman since his post…. 🎣
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 13 Dec 06:28
Personally I think any investor needs to put a bit of money in the first team before we worry about ground improvements or a new stadium.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 13 Dec 10:34
In terms of reducing the capacity of the Norrie and East Stands, Kilmarnock have done something similar by installing boxes at the back of the stand (almost like refurbished container boxes, I think?) which reduces the number of empty seats, increases revenue from the boxes and makes things a bit nicer all round.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 13 Dec 11:52
Hypothetically speaking. What happens if a big investor came in and said I don’t want to play football at East End Park and built a stadia wherever. What forces them to play the team at East End Park.
BTW I love East end Park.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 13 Dec 12:51
Quote:
parsmad68, Fri 13 Dec 11:52
Hypothetically speaking. What happens if a big investor came in and said I don’t want to play football at East End Park and built a stadia wherever. What forces them to play the team at East End Park.
BTW I love East end Park.
Is it not leased for something like 100 years rolling…..or words to that effect?? Going from memory of a fans forum here and no actual proof. If that is the case then it would probably cost more to buy us out of that lease than it’s worth I’m presuming.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 13 Dec 13:48
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 13 Dec 06:28
Personally I think any investor needs to put a bit of money in the first team before we worry about ground improvements or a new stadium.
☝🏻 that’s ultimately true
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 13 Dec 14:29
Quote:
NMCmassive, Fri 13 Dec 13:48
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 13 Dec 06:28
Personally I think any investor needs to put a bit of money in the first team before we worry about ground improvements or a new stadium.
☝🏻 that’s ultimately true
No point in a refurbishment or new ground with no one going to games 😉
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: TommyR
Date: Fri 13 Dec 16:22
East End Park is a bit run down.
But suggestions of a new stadium are madness. A bit of a cash injection to renovate it and it`s fine.
It`s a 5 minute walk from the town, the historical home of the pars and you drive past it often. This trend of moving clubs out the city centre to compact soulless grounds is tragic.
Make the pars great again and get the team performing. Soon fill up EEP if we returned to glory.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 13 Dec 18:13
Madness to suggest these piddly wee 7/8k lego technik efforts. Surely we have ambition to reach the top flight and 6/7 matches v Old Firm, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen plus developing our own fan base?
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 13 Dec 18:46
I just hope the new owners whoever they may be focus on the 1st team and getting the management/players sorted. The club has to have a decent team performing week in/out.
The academy imo can wait in the background…a new management team/strategy is the fort point of call.
Plus have a look at what Cook is doing in the background.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 13 Dec 19:28
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Fri 13 Dec 18:55
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 13 Dec 18:46 ***********
That`s a really disrespectful thing to say. He`s a very decent bloke doing good things.
How would you like your work performance discussed in the public domain by someone who doesn`t have all the information at hand?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 13 Dec 19:32
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Fri 13 Dec 19:28
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Fri 13 Dec 18:55
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Alter Ego, Fri 13 Dec 18:46
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That`s a really disrespectful thing to say. He`s a very decent bloke doing good things.
How would you like your work performance discussed in the public domain by someone who doesn`t have all the information at hand?
What is he doing in the background then? Come on, tell us……because in the foreground he has been an absolute disaster.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 13 Dec 19:55
Probably best not taking a post in a highly public domain then. I’ve worked with loads of lovely folk who are not good at their jobs - least they would all be worldy wise enough to not take a job with a high level of public scrutiny and feedback. Calling them numpties is a bit far but not the most offensive thing you will see.
The club’s relationship with its fans has consistently deteriorated under Cooks tenure and the Commercial director, unless the clubs next accounts show something surprising to the contrary, has done heehaw to arrest a collapse in finances.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 13 Dec 20:28
He’s talking about our CEO’s job not this forum.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 13 Dec 20:29
Quote:
P, Fri 13 Dec 19:55
Probably best not taking a post in a highly public domain then. I’ve worked with loads of lovely folk who are not good at their jobs - least they would all be worldy wise enough to not take a job with a high level of public scrutiny and feedback. Calling them numpties is a bit far but not the most offensive thing you will see.
The club’s relationship with its fans has consistently deteriorated under Cooks tenure and the Commercial director, unless the clubs next accounts show something surprising to the contrary, has done heehaw to arrest a collapse in finances.
It`s just a weird way for a grown adult to behave. Constructive criticism is one thing, juvenile stuff is another.
I don`t buy the fact that the relationship deteriorating is anything other than us being poison to watch the majority of the time and the current board under-investing in the first team.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 13 Dec 20:32
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 13 Dec 19:32
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Rusty Shackleford, Fri 13 Dec 19:28
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cammypar 1995, Fri 13 Dec 18:55
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Alter Ego, Fri 13 Dec 18:46
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To be clear, I`m irritated by a nameless character who has previous form for this kind of thing, reducing a lad to "that other numpty". No way you would act like that in life as opposed to behind a keyboard.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 13 Dec 20:40
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Fri 13 Dec 20:32
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Dave_1885, Fri 13 Dec 19:32
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Rusty Shackleford, Fri 13 Dec 19:28
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cammypar 1995, Fri 13 Dec 18:55
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Alter Ego, Fri 13 Dec 18:46
That`s a really disrespectful thing to say. He`s a very decent bloke doing good things.
How would you like your work performance discussed in the public domain by someone who doesn`t have all the information at hand?
What is he doing in the background then? Come on, tell us……because in the foreground he has been an absolute disaster.
To be clear, I`m irritated by a nameless character who has previous form for this kind of thing, reducing a lad to "that other numpty". No way you would act like that in life as opposed to behind a keyboard.
Im pretty sure plenty of adults call workers in public facing jobs worse than “numpties” for not being very good at their job……still waiting to hear whats going on in the background though?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 13 Dec 20:42
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Fri 13 Dec 18:55
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 13 Dec 18:46
Can you explain yourself ?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 13 Dec 20:56
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 13 Dec 18:46
**********
That`s a really disrespectful thing to say. He`s a very decent bloke doing good things.
How would you like your work performance discussed in the public domain by someone who doesn`t have all the information at hand?
What is he doing in the background then? Come on, tell us……because in the foreground he has been an absolute disaster.
To be clear, I`m irritated by a nameless character who has previous form for this kind of thing, reducing a lad to "that other numpty". No way you would act like that in life as opposed to behind a keyboard.
Im pretty sure plenty of adults call workers in public facing jobs worse than “numpties” for not being very good at their job……still waiting to hear whats going on in the background though?
Why would I care if plenty of adults behave like that? Treat people with respect.
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Topic Originator: DAPAR
Date: Fri 13 Dec 21:10
I`ve met a good few numpties in person, and have read numerous numpty posts online. I have also met Alastair on several occasions and have some appreciation of his contribution and dedication. He is not a numpty.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 14 Dec 07:01
Take it this has all been redacted as it makes no sense. Like even less than usual.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 14 Dec 10:15
Quote:
kelty_par, Sat 14 Dec 07:01
Take it this has all been redacted as it makes no sense. Like even less than usual.
Weird. For me it makes more sense without certain people`s posts 😂
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 14 Dec 11:07
Quote:
jake89, Sat 14 Dec 10:15
Quote:
kelty_par, Sat 14 Dec 07:01
Take it this has all been redacted as it makes no sense. Like even less than usual.
Weird. For me it makes more sense without certain people`s posts 😂
Indeed. Did he really get a red for that?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 14 Dec 11:13
Just "Cammypar1995" doing what he does best.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 14 Dec 12:47
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 14 Dec 11:13
Just "Cammypar1995" doing what he does best.....
For someone who doesn`t read all of my posts you seem to know what I do best.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 14 Dec 13:21
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 14 Dec 12:47
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da_no_1, Sat 14 Dec 11:13
Just "Cammypar1995" doing what he does best.....
For someone who doesn`t read all of my posts you seem to know what I do best.
One of your post Cammy. One. It`s not that hard to understand
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 14 Dec 13:29
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 14 Dec 13:21
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cammypar 1995, Sat 14 Dec 12:47
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da_no_1, Sat 14 Dec 11:13
Just "Cammypar1995" doing what he does best.....
For someone who doesn`t read all of my posts you seem to know what I do best.
One of your post Cammy. One. It`s not that hard to understand
AHH it`s good that I still live in your head rent free. I`m glad, it`s hard to find a new home this time of year.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 14 Dec 13:35
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 14 Dec 13:29
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da_no_1, Sat 14 Dec 13:21
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cammypar 1995, Sat 14 Dec 12:47
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da_no_1, Sat 14 Dec 11:13
Just "Cammypar1995" doing what he does best.....
For someone who doesn`t read all of my posts you seem to know what I do best.
One of your post Cammy. One. It`s not that hard to understand
AHH it`s good that I still live in your head rent free. I`m glad, it`s hard to find a new home this time of year.
You`re having an absolute mare here tbh. I`d give up now.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 14 Dec 13:53
How about we put the patter bereft kids and sad old trolls aside and get back on topic?
Anyone found any successes this "analytic" company have had,?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 14 Dec 13:56
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Fri 13 Dec 18:13
Madness to suggest these piddly wee 7/8k lego technik efforts. Surely we have ambition to reach the top flight and 6/7 matches v Old Firm, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen plus developing our own fan base?
That’s my exact thoughts… honestly can see St Mirren having to try something soon if their crowds stay at that level
COYP
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 14 Dec 14:09
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sat 14 Dec 13:56
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Fri 13 Dec 18:13
Madness to suggest these piddly wee 7/8k lego technik efforts. Surely we have ambition to reach the top flight and 6/7 matches v Old Firm, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen plus developing our own fan base?
That’s my exact thoughts… honestly can see St Mirren having to try something soon if their crowds stay at that level
agree 100%
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 14 Dec 14:11
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 14 Dec 13:53
How about we put the patter bereft kids and sad old trolls aside and get back on topic?
I`m struggling to work out which category you`d fit into best to be fair.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 14 Dec 14:20
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 14 Dec 14:11
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 14 Dec 13:53
How about we put the patter bereft kids and sad old trolls aside and get back on topic?
I`m struggling to work out which category you`d fit into best to be fair.
The irony...
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 14 Dec 14:23
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 14 Dec 14:11
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Dandy Warhol, Sat 14 Dec 13:53
How about we put the patter bereft kids and sad old trolls aside and get back on topic?
I`m struggling to work out which category you`d fit into best to be fair.
My man, you`re in your 50`s are you not?
Playground stuff aside, top up your sippy cup and pin your flag to the pole, who is it you think I am?
Are you at the game today? I could come say hello?
I could confirm or debunk your curiosity?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 14 Dec 18:04
If there is more than one party interested then this will go on for another few months……woohoo
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 14 Dec 18:17
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 14 Dec 18:04
If there is more than one party interested then this will go on for another few months……woohoo
I`d be shocked if anything happens before January/February, even if a bid is accepted tomorrow there`s surely a lot of paperwork to go through the SFA?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 14 Dec 18:38
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 14 Dec 18:17
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 14 Dec 18:04
If there is more than one party interested then this will go on for another few months……woohoo
I`d be shocked if anything happens before January/February, even if a bid is accepted tomorrow there`s surely a lot of paperwork to go through the SFA?
Who will buy a club (who looks like a stick one for relegation play offs at best by the time the season ends) before knowing what division we will be in ?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 14 Dec 18:50
I’d imagine it wouldn’t matter where a club sits in a table. If we were relegated they’d be seen as hopeful saviours to promotion / mid - top to to take us up / keep us stable.
I’d think the only negative would be a club massively in debt ie on the brink of administration or bankruptcy as this would use up the majority of finances and what’s left would be the minimum
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 14 Dec 18:57
Quote:
buffy, Sat 14 Dec 18:50
I’d imagine it wouldn’t matter where a club sits in a table. If we were relegated they’d be seen as hopeful saviours to promotion / mid - top to to take us up / keep us stable.
I’d think the only negative would be a club massively in debt ie on the brink of administration or bankruptcy as this would use up the majority of finances and what’s left would be the minimum
I`m sorry, but it absolutely does matter.
Attendance alone in the short term between Championship and League One is absolutely massive. Never mind prize money.
This season is critical in our long term future and it`s not looking good.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 14 Dec 19:03
New owners will be in place for January.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 14 Dec 19:03
if we were to get relegated I have no confidance we would stay full time
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 14 Dec 19:05
Quote:
buffy, Sat 14 Dec 18:50
I’d imagine it wouldn’t matter where a club sits in a table. If we were relegated they’d be seen as hopeful saviours to promotion / mid - top to to take us up / keep us stable.
I’d think the only negative would be a club massively in debt ie on the brink of administration or bankruptcy as this would use up the majority of finances and what’s left would be the minimum
Say we are valued at £2m currently if we go down surely you`re not going to get even close to that due to the drop in potential income.
When I buy shares if the company is not performing that`s reflected in the share price.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 14 Dec 19:16
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 14 Dec 19:03
New owners will be in place for January.
Guess or solid info????
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 14 Dec 19:26
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 14 Dec 19:03
if we were to get relegated I have no confidance we would stay full time
We’d be fine for a couple of seasons in league 1 I’m sure but I’m not sure we’d last as long in league 1 as a full time club if we were down there as long as a club like Falkirk were
COYP
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:05
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sat 14 Dec 19:16
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 14 Dec 19:03
New owners will be in place for January.
Guess or solid info????
I heard it will be done deal by new years eve
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:22
Best pars related news this season ahoy, just hope you are right and the new owners are already speaking to candidates for the managers job and in turn identifying possible signings in Jan (if there’s any cash)
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:26
Certain to be January. Hopefully before the window opens would be my guess.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:28
Quote:
Kba990309, Sat 14 Dec 21:05
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sat 14 Dec 19:16
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 14 Dec 19:03
New owners will be in place for January.
Guess or solid info????
I heard it will be done deal by new years eve
Ohh I do hope so….the situation can’t go on.
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:37
They need to be in place for January as our current owners aren’t putting any more cash in for 2025
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:42
No it can’t.
Since our return to the Championship we have been stinking and that’s down to the manager and the ‘quality’ within the squad.
We’ve dropped 47pts at home in 27 games and 52pts away from home in 26 games.
McPakes record I’m the championship is diabolical.
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:47
We don’t have too long to wait until the next set of accounts are published. Hopefully that spells the end of certain high profile persons at our broken club?
I wonder what pihs will be given this time for another staggering loss?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:49
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 14 Dec 21:26
Certain to be January. Hopefully before the window opens would be my guess.
This is hard to believe unless a deal has been formally accepted? Because after that we have the authority`s ponderous machinations to go through?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:53
I’ve heard that everything is sorted and completed.
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Sat 14 Dec 21:56
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 14 Dec 21:53
I’ve heard that everything is sorted and completed.
Me too
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 14 Dec 22:17
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 14 Dec 21:53
I’ve heard that everything is sorted and completed.
🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 14 Dec 22:35
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 14 Dec 21:53
I’ve heard that everything is sorted and completed.
Fingers crossed…
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:00
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 14 Dec 21:53
I’ve heard that everything is sorted and completed.
I wasn`t doubting your assertion so much as doubting the efficiency of the SFA to do their thing👍
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:50
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 14 Dec 19:05
Quote:
buffy, Sat 14 Dec 18:50
I’d imagine it wouldn’t matter where a club sits in a table. If we were relegated they’d be seen as hopeful saviours to promotion / mid - top to to take us up / keep us stable.
I’d think the only negative would be a club massively in debt ie on the brink of administration or bankruptcy as this would use up the majority of finances and what’s left would be the minimum
Say we are valued at £2m currently if we go down surely you`re not going to get even close to that due to the drop in potential income.
When I buy shares if the company is not performing that`s reflected in the share price.
Tell that to (un)Truth Social. DJT.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 14 Dec 23:53
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 14 Dec 18:38
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 14 Dec 18:17
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 14 Dec 18:04
If there is more than one party interested then this will go on for another few months……woohoo
I`d be shocked if anything happens before January/February, even if a bid is accepted tomorrow there`s surely a lot of paperwork to go through the SFA?
Who will buy a club (who looks like a stick one for relegation play offs at best by the time the season ends) before knowing what division we will be in ?
No Cammy, investors want stock at its low value so they can develop and profit.
They won`t be in this to make a quick buck in the first couple of years.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 15 Dec 14:04
Its all about buying at the right price though and that price will reflect the current financial assessment of the club.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Dec 18:23
This is going to sound a bit daft, but how does this work? My understanding is:
The Germans owned around 30% but have a loan thing that can be converted to shares that would give them something like 70% of the club.
Based on what`s been said elsewhere, it sounds like the new investor would be limited to the 30% share due to SFA rules. Assuming that`s right, what happens with the loan?
Also assuming it`s 30%, how does it work if the new guys say they want to chuck money at the club to do a clear out? Presumably all shareholders would have to contribute their bit too and some of our shareholders might not have enough money to invest. What happens then?
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 20 Dec 08:28
All I want for Xmas is the club confirmed as sold….any updates???
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 20 Dec 11:27
"Based on what`s been said elsewhere, it sounds like the new investor would be limited to the 30% share due to SFA rules. Assuming that`s right, what happens with the loan?"
I`ve seen stuff like this but you`ve got multi club groups such as 777 and the City Group, and then you`ve for Friedkin who own Roma and Everton...
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 20 Dec 11:37
SFA rules state you cannot hold more than a certain % if you are involved in another club anywhere in world football. English rules clearly differ. Would mean the City Group could only own a minority stake in a Scottish club.
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