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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Thu 2 Jan 17:00
5pm and still no news on our new manager this is a joke.
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Thu 2 Jan 17:02
Quote:
Kba990309, Thu 2 Jan 17:00
5pm and still no news on our new manager this is a joke.
Well its really not.
Someone been enjoying some bank holiday drinks today?
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Thu 2 Jan 17:17
Quote:
DBA, Thu 2 Jan 17:02
Quote:
Kba990309, Thu 2 Jan 17:00
5pm and still no news on our new manager this is a joke.
Well its really not.
Someone been enjoying some bank holiday drinks today?
Unfortunately not DBA,
We have a game on sat our interim coach is away on holiday, I think it would be something that would need to be delt with ASAFP for the club, player and fans.
Also player we have had on trial signing for a team below us, to me that looks like we are that badly run that he would rather get relegated than sign for us.
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Thu 2 Jan 17:21
Where is the sense of urgency?
Doesn’t inspire confidence in what’s happening at the club.
“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 2 Jan 17:46
If it is Tidser then compensation is required. This could lead to lengthy negotiation times. It`s pretty obvious if you think about it so have a bit of patience for goodness sake.
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:02
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Thu 2 Jan 17:46
If it is Tidser then compensation is required. This could lead to lengthy negotiation times. It`s pretty obvious if you think about it so have a bit of patience for goodness sake.
No probs kozma
Will you`ll be taking first training tomorrow then?
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:11
There are coaches and senior pros who can organise training. Raith took four weeks to appoint their manager after binning Murray.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:14
Calm down.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:14
I would very strongly suspect that our interim coach would have had to postpone his holiday whether or not a new manager announcement is imminent.
This is my signature
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:14
McLaughlin is the only one at the club with the pro licence to be in charge. If we don’t have him at the game, then genuinely who can take the team?
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:17
These things take time so just have a little patience
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Topic Originator: gthyde
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:18
Quote:
parsfan97, Thu 2 Jan 18:14
McLaughlin is the only one at the club with the pro licence to be in charge. If we don’t have him at the game, then genuinely who can take the team?
Big Leish
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:19
We are totally and utterly rudderless
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:19
Do you need a license to be interim manager? I thought Naismith initially took charge of Hearts without one.
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC88
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:27
From what I have gathered, the Tidser deal has been finalised, and all personal terms have been mutually agreed upon. The impediment lies with Kelty Hearts, who are insisting on a specific amount of compensation that the club is currently attempting to negotiate downward. Kelty possesses the advantage in this negotiation, as their management team remains under contract with them.
We have seasoned professionals within the squad who are more than capable of navigating the upcoming match this week. Is this the ideal situation? Certainly not, but it is the reality we must face.
Post Edited (Thu 02 Jan 18:28)
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Thu 2 Jan 18:33
Quote:
RossDAFC88, Thu 2 Jan 18:27
From what I have gathered, the Tidser deal has been finalised, and all personal terms have been mutually agreed upon. The impediment lies with Kelty Hearts, who are insisting on a specific amount of compensation that the club is currently attempting to negotiate downward. Kelty possesses the advantage in this negotiation, as their management team remains under contract with them.
We have seasoned professionals within the squad who are more than capable of navigating the upcoming match this week. Is this the ideal situation? Certainly not, but it is the reality we must face.
What I`d heard too.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:01
Why would Kelty reduce their demands?
Surely Dunfermline would have known the compensation figure when thrashing out personal terms with the manager or when they were eventually given official permission to talk to him ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: k76
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:08
Kelty possibly looking to get a management team in before they agree compensation, they don’t have a standout from within.
Hopefully wee Joe Cardle gets an opportunity at coaching/management.
Tidser has always struck me as someone with ambition to progress in management and would see DAFC as good a good next step.
Can’t see him turning us down when we are a club that if well managed could go to the SPL.
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:11
It`s been said on the Tidser thread he`s rejected the contract offer
nazpar
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Topic Originator: k76
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:15
And you believe?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:20
I honestly don’t understand the panic 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:26
Is it because we are sleepwalking towards the relegation playoffs, getting cut adrift from the teams above us and starting a transfer window with no manager in place therefore unable to make any signings?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:29
I`m concerned if we actually have anyone to take the team on Saturday. If tidser was desperate to join us and Kelty are stalling surely he can just resign?
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:32
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Thu 2 Jan 19:01
Why would Kelty reduce their demands?
Surely Dunfermline would have known the compensation figure when thrashing out personal terms with the manager or when they were eventually given official permission to talk to him ?
Or Kelty know we really need him for Saturday so are trying to squeeze as much out of us as possible, knowing our desperation.....
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:36
Quote:
parsfan97, Thu 2 Jan 18:14
McLaughlin is the only one at the club with the pro licence to be in charge. If we don’t have him at the game, then genuinely who can take the team?
👍
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:40
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 02 Jan 19:20
I honestly don’t understand the panic 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe because we are staring relegation in the face and need to be collecting some points quickly?
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:42
Quote:
parathletic, Thu 2 Jan 18:19
Do you need a license to be interim manager? I thought Naismith initially took charge of Hearts without one.
True, but that’s why Frankie McAvoy was brought in, to cover the need for a pro licence
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:49
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Thu 2 Jan 19:42
Quote:
parathletic, Thu 2 Jan 18:19
Do you need a license to be interim manager? I thought Naismith initially took charge of Hearts without one.
True, but that’s why Frankie McAvoy was brought in, to cover the need for a pro licence
It was European games Naismith couldn’t be in charge for. He was ok for the league
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:50
The guy that was blowing a fuse in row YY at Starks Park and Cappielow would be great in the dugout. Put a red hot burning rocket in their pants, he would. Send them out with their ears burning. No way would they consider defeat. Who needs a hair dryer with that guy on your side.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:50
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Thu 2 Jan 19:29
I`m concerned if we actually have anyone to take the team on Saturday. If tidser was desperate to join us and Kelty are stalling surely he can just resign?
You may be misunderstanding how being under contract works.
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Topic Originator: AndyBird
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:57
The longer it’s not Tidser the longer it might be Lennon …
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 2 Jan 19:59
Quote:
Paralex, Thu 2 Jan 19:50
The guy that was blowing a fuse in row YY at Starks Park and Cappielow would be great in the dugout. Put a red hot burning rocket in their pants, he would. Send them out with their ears burning. No way would they consider defeat. Who needs a hair dryer with that guy on your side.
If he was also swearing at the nearside linesman I’d put money on it you’re talking about oor Socks.
He’s a wild yin I tell ye.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Thu 2 Jan 20:06
Quote:
pars no1, Thu 2 Jan 19:49
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Thu 2 Jan 19:42
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parathletic, Thu 2 Jan 18:19
Do you need a license to be interim manager? I thought Naismith initially took charge of Hearts without one.
True, but that’s why Frankie McAvoy was brought in, to cover the need for a pro licence
It was European games Naismith couldn’t be in charge for. He was ok for the league
Ah, my mistake, apologies
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 2 Jan 20:10
Useless incompetent shower of $!!t we have running our club. The sooner they are gone the better….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 2 Jan 20:28
Quote:
CrossPar, Thu 2 Jan 19:26
Is it because we are sleepwalking towards the relegation playoffs, getting cut adrift from the teams above us and starting a transfer window with no manager in place therefore unable to make any signings?
That was all happening before we sacked McPake. If we get relegated it’s not going to be because we went to Maryhill without a full time manager.
The silence from the club is deafening but I’m in no panic about appointing a manager before Partick thistle.
COYP
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Thu 2 Jan 20:36
I don`t think Tidser has a pro license currently.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 2 Jan 20:43
Quote:
Paralex, Thu 2 Jan 19:50
The guy that was blowing a fuse in row YY at Starks Park and Cappielow would be great in the dugout. Put a red hot burning rocket in their pants, he would. Send them out with their ears burning. No way would they consider defeat. Who needs a hair dryer with that guy on your side.
This the same guy that was giving Chalmers a barrel load of expletives whilst surrounded by children, then continued his tirade despite numerous people telling him to shut the f*ck up?
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Thu 2 Jan 20:44
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 2 Jan 20:28
Quote:
CrossPar, Thu 2 Jan 19:26
Is it because we are sleepwalking towards the relegation playoffs, getting cut adrift from the teams above us and starting a transfer window with no manager in place therefore unable to make any signings?
That was all happening before we sacked McPake. If we get relegated it’s not going to be because we went to Maryhill without a full time manager.
The silence from the club is deafening but I’m in no panic about appointing a manager before Partick thistle.
Starting a transfer window wasn`t happening before McPake left.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:00
We all know the score by now and it’s happened over the past 2 seasons with players McPake wanted…Cook is being the authoritarian in this process and getting the cheapest deal possible…Supposedly the guy is a nightmare to deal with. Mr Cook is the problem within the club imo.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:07
The trouble is we don`t all know the score.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:11
Oh we do DA…The negotiations of player over the past 2 years was down to 1 man and McPake hardly ever got to sign who he wanted…
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:12
Quote:
Alter Ego, Thu 2 Jan 21:00
We all know the score by now and it’s happened over the past 2 seasons with players McPake wanted…Cook is being the authoritarian in this process and getting the cheapest deal possible…Supposedly the guy is a nightmare to deal with. Mr Cook is the problem within the club imo.
You are correct alter ego. Our ceo is a huge problem at our club.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:16
Correct. B is a problem. C has come along and it has got a whole lot worse . Only when B&C are gone can we as s club move on. It’s so friggin obvious to anyone who even listens to the jungle drums in the toun, sorry, city as to where the problems lie . Only when these two jokers are gone will we progress.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:20
OK he`s the devil.
Tidser must be seen as the new owners wanted man. If Cook alone is responsible for the deal falling through then I can`t see them being best pleased.
All conjecture obviously
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:22
3 players McPake wanted to sign last season that were between 30/32 years old wanting 2 year contracts and the club offered 1 year…Considering these players would still be here for next season and just 5 still on a contract would have been a good base to build on…
It wouldn’t surprise me if Tidser is having send thoughts but I hope he’s in the dugout for Saturday…
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:22
Quote:
desparado, Thu 2 Jan 21:16
Correct. B is a problem. C has come along and it has got a whole lot worse . Only when B&C are gone can we as s club move on. It’s so friggin obvious to anyone who even listens to the jungle drums in the toun, sorry, city as to where the problems lie . Only when these two jokers are gone will we progress.
C is a salaried employee. B is not. Is B a significant shareholder? If not, would their position not be better filled by someone who is? Presumably a lot of the directors put in place by the Germans will depart once the sale goes through? We seem to have lost a lot of very decent directors in the past few years, would any of them return?
Have to say it`s slightly amusing seeing people earlier bemoaning the signing up Tidser as uninspiring but now people are complaining he might not come 😂
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:41
It’s more amusing the C and B names😅 Get a grip and just use names of who you are wanting to mention! Brian likes you so I’ll get a red card anyway!
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:42
Yeah, I must confess to being sarcastic about the guy in row YY who was XX expletive in his language and completely out of control. I guess it was the degree of anger and high voltage vitriol, he put into his sense of outrage, that if bottled and channelled into the determination of the players, might see them run about like scolded tigers, instead of the defeated, timid bunch of pussycats they`ve become
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 2 Jan 21:49
Let’s just hope Tidser is in place tomm to try and get something f ty on the team on Saturday. If not then we have a youth coach and whoever for sat as John is on holiday.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC88
Date: Thu 2 Jan 22:23
Yogi Hughes spoke in a podcast that I listened to some time ago, in which he discussed his tenure at Pars. From his account, it appears that Meggle was an issue, as every decision made at the club required his authorisation, even when he was not in the country. We must cease the blame game directed at David Cook.
In truth, no one truly understands the dynamics at the club. A friend of mine is professionally involved in a different sport, and the events that have transpired recently are simply unbelievable.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 3 Jan 00:30
Quote:
CrossPar, Thu 2 Jan 20:44
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 2 Jan 20:28
Quote:
CrossPar, Thu 2 Jan 19:26
Is it because we are sleepwalking towards the relegation playoffs, getting cut adrift from the teams above us and starting a transfer window with no manager in place therefore unable to make any signings?
That was all happening before we sacked McPake. If we get relegated it’s not going to be because we went to Maryhill without a full time manager.
The silence from the club is deafening but I’m in no panic about appointing a manager before Partick thistle.
Starting a transfer window wasn`t happening before McPake left.
A whole 10 days ago 😱
COYP
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 3 Jan 03:59
It is difficult to muster much enthusiasm for the club right now. The decisions being made at the board level seem so divorced from the simple basic desire of fans to have a competitive and fun team to watch.
Ross and Co. may have made mistakes, but you always felt black and white blood ran through their veins, and they shared your pain when things on and off the field went south.
We can now see that the German investment was a disaster. On the plus side, they brought desperately needed cash when the stands emptied due to COVID. Our club may not have survived relegation without their input. But at what cost?
Will a partially built training ground or youth academy bear fruit? Or will it become an unmanageable drain on the club`s resources, as other clubs at our level have found?
I can`t find comfort in the news that our club`s potential buyer could have made his fortune on a card table. And I also struggle to be excited about the thought that our next manager has so little experience. Of course, I would be delighted to be proven wrong on both counts.
Judging by the comments here and elsewhere, I fear optimism is in short supply on Halbeath Road. For some fans, supporting the Pars is fast becoming an unpleasant chore rather than the joy it once was.
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Fri 3 Jan 05:15
Quote:
OzPar, Fri 3 Jan 03:59
It is difficult to muster much enthusiasm for the club right now. The decisions being made at the board level seem so divorced from the simple basic desire of fans to have a competitive and fun team to watch.
Ross and Co. may have made mistakes, but you always felt black and white blood ran through their veins, and they shared your pain when things on and off the field went south.
We can now see that the German investment was a disaster. On the plus side, they brought desperately needed cash when the stands emptied due to COVID. Our club may not have survived relegation without their input. But at what cost?
Will a partially built training ground or youth academy bear fruit? Or will it become an unmanageable drain on the club`s resources, as other clubs at our level have found?
I can`t find comfort in the news that our club`s potential buyer could have made his fortune on a card table. And I also struggle to be excited about the thought that our next manager has so little experience. Of course, I would be delighted to be proven wrong on both counts.
Judging by the comments here and elsewhere, I fear optimism is in short supply on Halbeath Road. For some fans, supporting the Pars is fast becoming an unpleasant chore rather than the joy it once was.
Spot on Oz.
As you said black and white blood, Mr Cook is a pars fan but it doesn`t feel the same as when Ross and Co where here.
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Fri 3 Jan 07:24
Pars fan, my bottom . You can’t compare him to Ross in that regard
Get out of our club Cook
Post Edited (Fri 03 Jan 07:25)
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 3 Jan 07:40
He is a life long Pars fan, though.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 3 Jan 08:55
McLaughlin reported to be in charge tomorrow.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 3 Jan 09:02
Take it there’s little chance of it getting called off due to weather. Wouldn’t be a bad result that given the circumstances.
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Fri 3 Jan 09:26
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 3 Jan 07:40
He is a life long Pars fan, though.
That may be so but there’s fans and there’s fans
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 3 Jan 11:01
I am a life long Pars Fan. Doesn’t mean I would be a good or even competent CEO….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 3 Jan 11:22
Loads of folk with an axe to grind with Cook, I see. Maybe because he`s no their pal, or because they are no longer in the mnow. There may well be legitimate gripes about some kf the decisions made, but the complaints about him `penny pinching` seem a bit odd. If you were the CEO of a business that had twice recently posted losses of over a million pounds, wouldn`t you be looking to cut costs along the way?
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Fri 3 Jan 11:28
Quote:
kelty_par, Fri 3 Jan 11:22
Loads of folk with an axe to grind with Cook, I see. Maybe because he`s no their pal, or because they are no longer in the mnow. There may well be legitimate gripes about some kf the decisions made, but the complaints about him `penny pinching` seem a bit odd. If you were the CEO of a business that had twice recently posted losses of over a million pounds, wouldn`t you be looking to cut costs along the way?
Of course, you would. Can you explain the need for a ceo with a marketing background, a marketing manager and a commercial manager ?
Also, have you noticed how many boxes have been filled recently ?
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Fri 3 Jan 11:56
and discuss how the club have progresses/regressed when it comes to marketing and "brand image" under his tenure
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 3 Jan 12:30
How, specifically, has the dafc brand regressed?
Let`s not conflate performance on the pitch (dismal) with the football club brand (largely identical).
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 3 Jan 12:52
That`s why it`s better to support 2 teams. 1 Scottish and one from another country. I`ve supported Newcastle since the very bad old days so I can focus on them while keeping an eye on goings on at East End Park.
Over the years, the parallels have sometimes been eerie. Both teams fighting relegation at the same time or fighting for promotion at the same time. Sometimes they`d even mirror one another`s terrible/terrific performances.
I go by MagPar on the Newcastle forum.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 3 Jan 12:53
Quote:
OorWullie, Fri 3 Jan 11:28
Quote:
kelty_par, Fri 3 Jan 11:22
Loads of folk with an axe to grind with Cook, I see. Maybe because he`s no their pal, or because they are no longer in the mnow. There may well be legitimate gripes about some kf the decisions made, but the complaints about him `penny pinching` seem a bit odd. If you were the CEO of a business that had twice recently posted losses of over a million pounds, wouldn`t you be looking to cut costs along the way?
Of course, you would. Can you explain the need for a ceo with a marketing background, a marketing manager and a commercial manager ?
Also, have you noticed how many boxes have been filled recently ?
A few games ago boxes were used by players families which usually happens when they aren`t filled by paying customers.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Fri 03 Jan 12:54)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 3 Jan 13:46
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Fri 3 Jan 12:30
How, specifically, has the dafc brand regressed?
Let`s not conflate performance on the pitch (dismal) with the football club brand (largely identical).
I`ll answer this. It started really well with the maroon strip and bringing "Dunfermline" back into the club.
Unfortunately, it was short-lived and the communication out the club went massively downhill. I`d say it`s improved of late but the silence from the club right now is astonishing. Even if there`s nothing to say, they could be telling people that rather than leaving people to speculate and potentially make up some utter nonsense.
I`ve no issue with Cook per se. I don`t know him and as far as I can see he does a job. That`s about it. He doesn`t come across as personable but then he`s there to run the club, not cuddle fans. However, I am concerned if he`s handling signings and general engagement with stakeholders poorly. It`s a hard enough job attracting investment and players to the club without that. Saying all that, I`ve no evidence that is the case other than comments made on this forum.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 3 Jan 16:00
I’ve never heard a good word said about Cook since he started his role to be honest.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 3 Jan 16:08
Quote:
desparado, Fri 3 Jan 11:01
I am a life long Pars Fan. Doesn’t mean I would be a good or even competent CEO….
Nobody is debating that.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Fri 3 Jan 16:16
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Bannockburn Par, Fri 20 Dec 08:28
All I want for Xmas is the club confirmed as sold….any updates???
Mail and other outlets reporting that it will be concluded next week.
https://t.co/uh3zdv6ar8
https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/football/2253324-james-bord-s-move-to-acquire-dunfermline-fc-gets-green-light-from-sfa
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Fri 3 Jan 18:03
"How, specifically, has the dafc brand regressed?"
[apologies, annoyingly long post to follow...]
Maybe it depends what you define as the `brand`, and from some of your other posts I`d guess that you might have relevant experience of this from your own work. But, for me, it`s about the whole thing, how it`s seen by people generally and, specifically because it`s a football club, how it`s seen by fans in particular who actively care and regularly do irrational things to support that club. And how things make them (us) feel about their (our) club.
Based on that, I think there has been regression, though not all of it due to the most recent board. I liked the ownership setup we had before. Even though the football was often bad, it felt that people were valued and the various voluntary initiatives were valued in their own right. Ross McArthur regularly acknowledged this and I always felt it was genuine. I don`t like that we gave up the previous structure, seemingly with little dissent. I didn`t like it at the time and was one of the few who said so openly. I had hoped that eventually DAFC itself would become the CIC, as a statement that the club really was a part of the community. I understand that people had thier reasons for going the way we did and it wasn`t me who was having to put in loads of hours to keep things going, but in itself the sale in 2020 and giving up all of that was a major regression.
In the last two years, we`ve also had major issues getting fans into the ground. Entry to the NW is an absolute joke at bigger games with only two gates open. I`ve also seen very big queues for the wing of the main stand at some games. At the Forfar game at the start of this season, with a relatively small crowd, it took 20 minutes to get in after the club website said that ticket booths would be open but then didn`t open it after all and forced everyone to go to the shop. That`s a really basic thing, and fundamental to anyone wanting to watch their team.
At a fan forum thing, Cook was asked about the pathetic state of the toilets in the NW. I wasn`t there, but a few people who were told me that the response sounded very dismissive.
All of that just hints at people not bieing valued, which is in complete contrast to how it was before.
I don`t know the situation with volunteers, but it might be worth considering the reaction on foums like this when it`s been suggested that Cook has been dismissive of staff and volunteers. I don`t know if it`s true or not, but if it was a total fabrication I think you`d have people here who are known to be stalwart volunteers saying that he had been really good and that it was totally untrue. I didn`t see anyone say that, which might tell a story. Keep in mind that those who have been regular volunteers are not likely to say publicly that Cook is a fanny so their silence is worth taking into account.
Finally, the new website, which could be a useful resource for fans, is terrible. The old one (
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Fri 3 Jan 18:03
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Finally, the new website, which could be a useful resource for fans, is terrible. The old one (run by volunteers I think) didn`t have a particularly excitiing visual layout but was at least usable. The new one, that presumably we pay for (there`s details of the company running it who operate by charging retainer fees) is pretty much useless. I don`t think you can put up such an awful new website and think that it won`t cause brand damage.
Others might have other reasons for saying things have regressed but that`s where I think most of the damage is done.
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Topic Originator: auldpar
Date: Fri 3 Jan 18:29
I was a volunteer. I was part of the programme team and was responsible for filling 3 pages. This took up a lot of my time for 6 years until Covid hit. I had to come up with ideas for features, find people to feature, find (and take) photos, and interview subjects either face to face or by email. I also paid to send programmes to fans abroad.
After Covid the editor retired and a new team took over. Nobody told me and I only found out after I went to East End and asked what was happening. That`s how this volunteer was treated.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 3 Jan 18:36
John McLaughlan deserves a lot of credit for cancelling family plans to take charge this weekend. The way the club are treating staff and volunteers I’d be surprised to see them show him the same loyalty. I can’t see it happening based on our performances this season but hopefully the players can pick up a much needed 3 points this weekend. We cannot afford to fall any further behind.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 3 Jan 18:46
Quote:
auldpar, Fri 3 Jan 18:29
I was a volunteer. I was part of the programme team and was responsible for filling 3 pages. This took up a lot of my time for 6 years until Covid hit. I had to come up with ideas for features, find people to feature, find (and take) photos, and interview subjects either face to face or by email. I also paid to send programmes to fans abroad.
After Covid the editor retired and a new team took over. Nobody told me and I only found out after I went to East End and asked what was happening. That`s how this volunteer was treated.
That`s really poor to hear. I appreciate it can be difficult relying on volunteers as they`re not obligated to do the work, but we`ve got a load of really hard working volunteers at EEP and they should be cherished rather than being binned when considered surplus to requirement.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Fri 3 Jan 18:55
Have to agree regards website and programmes.
The programme I bought at the Falkirk game was as bad as I have seen, reminds me of an early 70s programme with little content, and nothing of interest. Not sure what has gone wrong there overall.
Website should be crucial, doesn`t even work as a driver of commercial .
It feels purely automated, with little if any human input-again any neutral would find little of interest, and as a fan, there`s really nothing on it.
I`m not going to go into a rant about staff etc. I have no idea if Cook is bad or good, I feel little need in being overly critical, but we have increased staffing with marketing, commercial etc?
We absolutely need to be asking what, if anything do these people do?
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 3 Jan 19:13
I would love for the 3 paid positions of CEO, MARKETING AND COMMERCIAL what their day to day tasks at the club are. This is a massive outset for the club that was never there before.
Going by cooks Linkedin account his background and expertise is in the sponsorship/relations department which is surely what the commercial manager is now paid to do
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Fri 3 Jan 19:22
I worked in the Commercial Department with Audrey Bastianelli when Jocky Scott was team manager and I don`t remember Commercial and Marketing ever being separate positions.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 3 Jan 19:38
From the ukbusinessforums.co.uk:
“…a CM`s responsibilities would not only be external but also internal. It’s the middle role between the ops/s&m director(s) and the "shop floor"
A marketing manager’s responsibility is to ensure exposure and conversion working alongside the purchasing and sales teams.
A commercial manager is responsible for ensuring a reasonable growth and maximising company relationships, and working internally to develop new products or reduce internal costs.
That said there is a lot of overlap between the 2 roles.”
From Investopedia:
“A CEO`s primary responsibilities include making major corporate decisions, driving the workforce and resources of a company toward strategic goals, and acting as the main point of communication between the board of directors and corporate operations. The chief executive officer serves as the public face of the company in many cases.”
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Fri 3 Jan 19:46
Excellent post(s) Socks. Always enjoy yours and wish you`d post more. Reply when I get the chance.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 3 Jan 21:06
They`re separate roles but I`d argue a club the size of Dunfermline doesn`t need all these positions. Much of marketing isn`t about sticking stuff out on socials, posters, adverts etc and more a kit monitoring the impact. I dare suggest there`s more impact felt from the voluntary work done organising school visits than the material that goes out out X and Facebook. That`s not a critique of the social media work, but someone should be doing the analysis to see what`s being well received and what isn`t.
I have to say there`s certainly more advertisers on board (or should that be on the boards?), suggesting commercial activities are improving things.
Saying all this, it all comes down to the question of ROI. Is the cost of these roles and the money spent on the activities generating more money than if someone was doing this as a volunteer?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 3 Jan 21:09
Quote:
CitizenPar, Fri 3 Jan 19:22
I worked in the Commercial Department with Audrey Bastianelli when Jocky Scott was team manager and I don`t remember Commercial and Marketing ever being separate positions.
Depends on the company structure and the type of business it is. Worked in one place where “commercial” was installing/building in a B2B setting but generally speaking… I’d agree Commercial/Marketing usually largely overlap
COYP
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Fri 3 Jan 21:30
I’m pleased that more and more people are finding out about our ceo
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 3 Jan 21:38
Finding out what exactly? No one seems to know his job description so how can we judge how he is performing? I would imagine over the last couple of months he will have been preoccupied with the potential change in ownership and then the change in manager.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 3 Jan 21:42
Quote:
auldpar, Fri 3 Jan 18:29
I was a volunteer. I was part of the programme team and was responsible for filling 3 pages. This took up a lot of my time for 6 years until Covid hit. I had to come up with ideas for features, find people to feature, find (and take) photos, and interview subjects either face to face or by email. I also paid to send programmes to fans abroad.
After Covid the editor retired and a new team took over. Nobody told me and I only found out after I went to East End and asked what was happening. That`s how this volunteer was treated.
And, as I can attest having featured in a couple of your pieces in the programme, you did a great job.
Sad how you were treated mate.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 3 Jan 21:46
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 3 Jan 21:38
Finding out what exactly? No one seems to know his job description so how can we judge how he is performing? I would imagine over the last couple of months he will have been preoccupied with the potential change in ownership and then the change in manager.
I think it’s blatantly obvious how he is performing……
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Topic Originator: OorWullie
Date: Fri 3 Jan 21:50
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 3 Jan 21:38
Finding out what exactly? No one seems to know his job description so how can we judge how he is performing? I would imagine over the last couple of months he will have been preoccupied with the potential change in ownership and then the change in manager.
Preoccupied with saving his own skin, I’d suggest
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Topic Originator: tappies par
Date: Fri 3 Jan 22:25
Credit where credits due. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes that isn’t always noticed or recognised. As for commercially and marketing i think we are doing way better than we have previously. The fan zone was a big success. Sponsorship of the away stand from Mackln Motors. New stadium naming rights with KDM to mentions a few.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 3 Jan 22:39
Good points Tappies
But I agree with Socks regarding the dismissive attitude re repairs to the stadium, and it shouldn’t be one or the other.
On many an occasion I’ve asked questions from the forum re updating the tannoy system, the nearside (main stand) flooding of the pitch, the agreed upgrade of the two bars, perhaps more advertising of the events and matches not just on social media and the reply is always the same ~ they cost a lot of money and wouldn’t you prefer the money went to the first team?
I go away thinking “let’s just let the stadium crumble around us, never mind about the fans, the matchday experience, encouraging new supporters…”.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Fri 3 Jan 22:46
Quote:
tappies par, Fri 3 Jan 22:25
Credit where credits due. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes that isn’t always noticed or recognised. As for commercially and marketing i think we are doing way better than we have previously. The fan zone was a big success. Sponsorship of the away stand from Mackln Motors. New stadium naming rights with KDM to mentions a few.
You`re wasting your time I`m afraid. Fans aren`t interested in administrators unless things are going badly on the field in which case they must be equally to blame. I`ve got no idea what they get paid or whether they are paying their way but some on here have made their mind up.
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Topic Originator: tappies par
Date: Fri 3 Jan 22:50
I agree that there should be more focus on improving the match day experience. I also feel there should be more engagement and communication from the chairman. When we won league 1 we were altogether as one. Hopefully we can get back to that. Onwards and upwards hopefully.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 3 Jan 23:01
Quote:
tappies par, Fri 3 Jan 22:25
Credit where credits due. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes that isn’t always noticed or recognised. As for commercially and marketing i think we are doing way better than we have previously. The fan zone was a big success. Sponsorship of the away stand from Mackln Motors. New stadium naming rights with KDM to mentions a few.
I think we need a stable team on the park not worrying about relegation before an accademy
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