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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Wed 12 Feb 22:27
Was talking to my mate, who’s a pro footballer and was saying about Tidser playing Chalmers at left back …
Turns out he’s actually a Left Back by trade so to speak. They played together at Motherwell and he was left back there. Tidser obviously sees something in him there
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 12 Feb 22:29
We know….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Wed 12 Feb 22:37
So why are so many questioning it like we are asking him to do something he hasn’t ever done before
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Wed 12 Feb 22:49
To be fair on recent performances it looks like he’s never played there before
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Wed 12 Feb 22:51
He,s worse at left back than he is in midfield
G.B
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Thu 13 Feb 07:25
Lots of players played in different positions in their youth. Andy Robertson was originally a centre midfielder but has not played there in his entire senior career (to my knowledge) Chalmers absolutely cannot play at left back. He is a competent centre midfielder when played the right players but he looks extremely uncomfortable at left back.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 13 Feb 07:45
As much as I think he`s overly derided, he`s not been good at left back, teams will target him and we`ll be starting with an exploitable weakness.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Thu 13 Feb 07:45)
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 13 Feb 08:36
lets be serious since the start of time there has been scapegoats when the team has had poor form/runs of results.
Jamie Mccunnie/Ross Millen are 2 notable examples that stand out in the modern era where you would hear a groan from the crowd when there name was mentioned. 1 stray pass from whoever was playing next to them, not even a batted eyelid, 1 stray pass from them and crowd right on them baying for blood.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 13 Feb 08:45
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Thu 13 Feb 08:36
lets be serious since the start of time there has been scapegoats when the team has had poor form/runs of results.
Jamie Mccunnie/Ross Millen are 2 notable examples that stand out in the modern era where you would hear a groan from the crowd when there name was mentioned. 1 stray pass from whoever was playing next to them, not even a batted eyelid, 1 stray pass from them and crowd right on them baying for blood.
Justin Skinner was another
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Thu 13 Feb 08:46
McCunnie played a few games in centre midfield and was decent from memory but definitely was one for the booboys when he played majority of games at right back.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Thu 13 Feb 08:59
I`d be in the minority but I actually really liked Jamie McCunnie. Nothing special and kept his game simple I thought
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 13 Feb 09:06
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Thu 13 Feb 08:36
lets be serious since the start of time there has been scapegoats when the team has had poor form/runs of results.
Jamie Mccunnie/Ross Millen are 2 notable examples that stand out in the modern era where you would hear a groan from the crowd when there name was mentioned. 1 stray pass from whoever was playing next to them, not even a batted eyelid, 1 stray pass from them and crowd right on them baying for blood.
Millen received a hard time because he wasn’t Williamson, even though he had more end product.
Dorrans probably our most recent scapegoat, despite being absolutely fine whilst playing for us (excluding the game at Ibrox).
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Thu 13 Feb 10:49
Players get dubbed scapegoats for a reason. And usually that reason is because they are consistently poor. All the players getting mentioned here are in that category. Not always their fault, sometimes the manager is at fault for signing them or playing them or putting them in the wrong position. No point in getting indignant at fans who voice their opinions about it though. It`s all part of football.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Thu 13 Feb 11:23
Skinner had an absolute howler in a match (Livingston possibly?) when we were pretty comfortable at 1-0 towards the end of the gameand went onto lose. That seemed to seal his fate with a lot of people and something he never really shook off.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 13 Feb 11:30
I can remember plenty of `scapegoats` from my time supporting the pars.
Justin Skinner definitely got the worst treatment that I can remember, but there were plenty of decent enough players who attracted the boo boys for absolutely no reason. I remember Stevie Crawford getting absolute pelters for `not working hard enough` despite being our best player by a street.
As a general rule, I wouldn`t place any value in the opinion of the `casual fan` - very few of them have a clue what they`re talking about. I include myself as a `casual fan` in that respect.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 13 Feb 11:32
McCunnie was excellent when he moved in to midfield. Similar to Scott Muirhead who was signed as a winger and struggled, but did well when shifted to left-back.
It`s been done to death, but Dorrans was decent in the vast majority of games he played, albeit not as influential as hoped when we signed him, based on his pedigree.
The rage brigade just refused to see it because they reckoned he earnt a lot of money, got a couple of injuries and the season was going badly overall.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 13 Feb 11:40
Yeah Clark took a lot of abuse that he only got a game as his dad was on the coaching staff but he was pretty good and scored goals for us.
Chalmers started at left back and for reasons we are know was moved from that position but not sure when. Amazing how someone who didn’t cut it as a full back can suddenly be expected to make it in midfield at this level like it’s somehow an interchangeable position. The exact same goes for Todd who has shown he’s not good enough at this level in the middle of the park despite being a good full back the year we went down.
By this same logic let’s stick comrie in the middle on sat and surely he’ll be good enough right?
Before wee eck and do a no1 come on, plenty players have improved playing in different positions but those will be the exception to the rule and many who have struggled at full back won’t have gone on to make good centre midfielders at the same level.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 13 Feb 11:56
You`re obsessing again Berkey boy!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Thu 13 Feb 12:11
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 13 Feb 11:56
You`re obsessing again Berkey boy!
My good God Da.....so are you !!!🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 13 Feb 12:41
Chalmers played left back during his Celtic days, apparently kept a certain Kieran Tierney out of the team, wonder what happened to him?🤔
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 13 Feb 12:56
I`m confused now. Are we being criticised for turning a left back into a midfielder or vice versa?
FWIW, I`ve never considered Todd to be a full back. I think it was Hughes who played him there for a wee while but I thought it was just part of his football education.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 13 Feb 13:00
Quote:
Berkey, Thu 13 Feb 11:40
Chalmers started at left back and for reasons we are know was moved from that position but not sure when. Amazing how someone who didn’t cut it as a full back can suddenly be expected to make it in midfield at this level like it’s somehow an interchangeable position. The exact same goes for Todd who has shown he’s not good enough at this level in the middle of the park despite being a good full back the year we went down.
Dripping with negativity as usual.
It`s not that uncommon for a good full back to be moved into midfield, especially if they`re dropping down a league or just graduating from youth level.
I assume his manager at the time decided he was good in midfield, rather than, he couldn`t cut it at full back so we`ll dump him in midfield.
It`s also fairly common for a midfielder to fill in at full back as was the case for Matty Todd. He only moved position to play there because we had no-one else and he was just getting established at first team level.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Thu 13 Feb 13:27
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 13 Feb 12:41
Chalmers played left back during his Celtic days, apparently kept a certain Kieran Tierney out of the team, wonder what happened to him?🤔
I assume you mean the Celtic youth team when Chalmers was 16 and Tierney was 13 ??
Chalmers played twice for the first team at Celtic, both as a substitute i think.....
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 13 Feb 14:20
I want to express my shame at being one Muirhead`s boo boys. I was obviously younger but I used to think he was terrible.
I can also remember my rage whenever anybody got on big Sol`s back. He was effing great and went on to bigger things,proving the doubters wrong. He wasn`t always perfect but neither were any other players in the squad at the time.
I can also us signings a couple of players from our rivals (considered their best players), Junior from St mirren and I think F*lkirks captain but I can`t remember his name but he was great for them. Both turned out to be rubbish for us.
Didn`t Noel Hunt get a lot of stick too? He was a great player that tried his heart out whenever he got a chance, which wasn`t very often with CrawSter in front of him in the pecking order.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 13 Feb 14:31
Davie Moss was the guy we signed from Falkirk. He was alright, then fell away.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Thu 13 Feb 15:20
Muirhead had plenty ability but got a rough time as he used to shirk out of tackles.
Not even cliched 50/50 more like 70/30 in his favour and he would go in like a five year old dipping their toe in the bath to check the water wasn`t too hot.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 13 Feb 15:24
I had an issue with Muirhead, not because of his ability, but his attitude.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 13 Feb 16:34
Steven Bell was a great example of a target for `boo boys` / scapegoat.
In his first season with us, his first after playing part-time football, he played in a strange right side of midfield position and got absolute pelters on here and from the stands. Everything he did that was less than perfect had folk on his back.
In his second season he played in the middle and looked like the best midfielder in the championship, and I think that season was eventually voted player of the year. He was a proper box to box all round midfielder. He scored a few goals too, admittedly with brilliant support/service from Cardle, Gibson and Graham in the wide positions.
I thought of him here as he was a great example of making fans eat their words.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 13 Feb 17:25
Sean Rooney, Declan Mcmanus?
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Topic Originator: Bazzler1981
Date: Thu 13 Feb 18:02
Leave chalmers alone man about time yous found some else to pick on
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 13 Feb 21:59
Quote:
Jeffery, Thu 13 Feb 16:34
Steven Bell was a great example of a target for `boo boys` / scapegoat.
In his first season with us, his first after playing part-time football, he played in a strange right side of midfield position and got absolute pelters on here and from the stands. Everything he did that was less than perfect had folk on his back.
In his second season he played in the middle and looked like the best midfielder in the championship, and I think that season was eventually voted player of the year. He was a proper box to box all round midfielder. He scored a few goals too, admittedly with brilliant support/service from Cardle, Gibson and Graham in the wide positions.
I thought of him here as he was a great example of making fans eat their words.
That whole team was a delight to watch.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 14 Feb 07:53
I don`t remember Bell getting that much stick? Most people realised he was making a step up and was being played out of position.
Skinner was a different sort of player from what we were used to and often played as a ball playing sweeper which was ahead of its time really. He was fine but because he was quite slow and because he tried to pass it out from the back, we gave up a lot of chances when he played there. Not his fault though.
McCunnie was poor at right back I think, and we`d had some sold right backs over the years. He did look reasonable when he moved into the midfield though which was a surprise. He`s now a referee.
Ross Millen was also iffy at right back but in his defence he came up with some clutch penalties and set piece deliveries and went on to have a decent career. Rooney was pretty awful yet went on to have a brilliant career before spoiling it by being a racist moron.
Mendes was never really a boo boy mostly because we barely saw him! Was a coup getting him and we all looked forward to seeing him but I think he got injured then had mental health issues which meant he barely played. He was great in the friendly against Feyenoord though. Moss was also a coup as he was Falkirk captain but he was generally poor for us. Having said that, he did have a habit of making late runs into the box and scoring big goals so I`ll cut him some slack. He did look.overweight and slow though. A Rolling Moss gathers three stone we used to say.
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