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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Mon 3 Mar 15:50
Club to appeal Bene’s red card. Appeal to be heard tomorrow, Tuesday.
Looks pretty straightforward to me, ball before man and should be rescinded.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 3 Mar 16:27
Surely it’ll be rescinded. Looked a good tackle at the time and again on replays.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 3 Mar 16:30
Hope he gets the appeal. I thought he did well to remain as calm as he did given the time of the game and the pressure he knew this would inflict upon the team at a time of ascendancy. Hats off for him when he just turned and walked away after the initial obvious rant.. I am not sure how many other players would have been so calm.
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Mon 3 Mar 16:31
you can always tell by a players reaction to these things. H could not believe it at the time which leads you to think he clearly got the ball first. Downgraded to a yellow at worst should be the outcome.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Mon 3 Mar 17:34
Quote:
pars no1, Mon 3 Mar 16:31
you can always tell by a players reaction to these things. H could not believe it at the time which leads you to think he clearly got the ball first. Downgraded to a yellow at worst should be the outcome.
Surely if it`s any kind of foul, it`s a red, so either it`s completely reminded recinded or it stands?
Post Edited (Mon 03 Mar 22:26)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 3 Mar 17:44
Quote:
fcda, Mon 3 Mar 17:34
Quote:
pars no1, Mon 3 Mar 16:31
you can always tell by a players reaction to these things. H could not believe it at the time which leads you to think he clearly got the ball first. Downgraded to a yellow at worst should be the outcome.
Surely if it`s any kind of foul, it`s a red, so either it`s completely reminded or it stands?
This. It`s either a foul and a red or not a foul and yet another error from an error-prone ref....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Mon 3 Mar 18:56
it is only a red card if it was deemed to be violent conduct or a non attempt to play the ball foul. the last man rule changed to no longer a straight red if an attempt to play the ball has been made (which on this occasion it was)
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Mon 3 Mar 19:05
Quote:
pars no1, Mon 3 Mar 18:56
it is only a red card if it was deemed to be violent conduct or a non attempt to play the ball foul. the last man rule changed to no longer a straight red if an attempt to play the ball has been made (which on this occasion it was)
If that’s the case then it should be definitely be reversed 👍
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 3 Mar 19:07
Quote:
pars no1, Mon 3 Mar 18:56
it is only a red card if it was deemed to be violent conduct or a non attempt to play the ball foul. the last man rule changed to no longer a straight red if an attempt to play the ball has been made (which on this occasion it was)
That`s if the foul results in a penalty.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Mon 3 Mar 19:17
Benny mouthed the words "he was offside" as he left the park. I thought the same on the day and was watching the linesman. He twitched his flag after the first pass but remembered we don`t do that anymore, we let the play run and call it back. By this point the tackle had occurred and the red was in the air. He looked a bit lost but didn`t want to contradict the ref so did nothing. It was a joke from start to finish.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Mon 3 Mar 19:19
Quote:
pars no1, Mon 3 Mar 18:56
it is only a red card if it was deemed to be violent conduct or a non attempt to play the ball foul. the last man rule changed to no longer a straight red if an attempt to play the ball has been made (which on this occasion it was)
That’s not true. Outside of the box, deliberate or not, a denial of a goal scoring opportunity is a red card.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 4 Mar 00:25
Once again the standard of referreing left a lot to be desired!
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Tue 4 Mar 07:57
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Mon 3 Mar 19:17
Benny mouthed the words "he was offside" as he left the park. I thought the same on the day and was watching the linesman. He twitched his flag after the first pass but remembered we don`t do that anymore, we let the play run and call it back. By this point the tackle had occurred and the red was in the air. He looked a bit lost but didn`t want to contradict the ref so did nothing. It was a joke from start to finish.
The decision to delay on offside is only protocol if VAR is involved.
The assistant thought he was onside otherwise they flag straight away.
Post Edited (Tue 04 Mar 11:28)
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Tue 4 Mar 08:19
I was right in line with the Morton player and he was a yard offside.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 4 Mar 10:32
It`s amazing how many folk complain about the standard of refereeing yet don`t seem to know the laws of the game...
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 4 Mar 10:38
Quote:
par-91, Mon 3 Mar 19:19
Quote:
pars no1, Mon 3 Mar 18:56
it is only a red card if it was deemed to be violent conduct or a non attempt to play the ball foul. the last man rule changed to no longer a straight red if an attempt to play the ball has been made (which on this occasion it was)
That’s not true. Outside of the box, deliberate or not, a denial of a goal scoring opportunity is a red card.
This. Still not a red though.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Tue 4 Mar 10:52
Quote:
the saline hill puma, Tue 4 Mar 07:57
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Mon 3 Mar 19:17
Benny mouthed the words "he was offside" as he left the park. I thought the same on the day and was watching the linesman. He twitched his flag after the first pass but remembered we don`t do that anymore, we let the play run and call it back. By this point the tackle had occurred and the red was in the air. He looked a bit lost but didn`t want to contradict the ref so did nothing. It was a joke from start to finish.
That`s decision to delay on offside is only protocol if VAR is involved.
The assistant thought he was onside otherwise they flag straight away.
I am aware that is the protocol and we don`t have VAR. It was a brain fart on his part. He thought about lifting the flag and started to do so but didn`t in the end.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 4 Mar 10:54
Quote:
Andrew283, Tue 4 Mar 10:38
Quote:
par-91, Mon 3 Mar 19:19
Quote:
pars no1, Mon 3 Mar 18:56
it is only a red card if it was deemed to be violent conduct or a non attempt to play the ball foul. the last man rule changed to no longer a straight red if an attempt to play the ball has been made (which on this occasion it was)
That’s not true. Outside of the box, deliberate or not, a denial of a goal scoring opportunity is a red card.
This. Still not a red though.
Agreed. For the record, I don’t believe it was a foul. Therefore, not a red card. However, as soon as the referee gave the foul in that situation, there was no other option but to give the red card.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 4 Mar 10:59
The offside doesn`t come into the appeal - officially he was onside, so that point is moot.
The only basis for the appeal is that Bene didn`t commit a foul.
The club will know this, so I assume that they have evidence that show conclusively that he played the ball first. The camera angles I`ve seen don`t show this conclusively, so unless we have other angles for the appeal then I don`t hold out much hope for this one.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 4 Mar 11:09
Is the ref involved in the appeal? Does he have to admit he made a mistake or is the appeal judged by a panel who weren`t involved in the game?
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Tue 4 Mar 12:02
As far as I remember either there needs to be compelling evidence that the wrong decision was reached (i.e. a clear angle that shows he got the ball and didn`t get the man) OR the referee has to admit he got it wrong. Either case wins the appeal.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Tue 4 Mar 14:27
Interesting the debate, only seen it on tv.
Whether he was offside or not if it deemed violent it could still be a red.
Where offside comes in is if its stopping a goal scoring oppportunity.
Man before ball is a difficult one, clearly man before ball but continue through to stud him in the face is a red.
But normal fair and non violent foul where you get the ball first and then hit the man is a good challenge.
I think lol.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Tue 4 Mar 16:31
Appeal has been successful, presumably must`ve had some other footage they sent in as well as I didn`t think our highlights had a terrific angle
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 4 Mar 16:34
Player: Kyle Benedictus (Dunfermline Athletic FC)
Match: Dunfermline Athletic FC v Greenock Morton FC on Saturday, 1 March 2025
Competition: Scottish Championship
Offence: A4 - Denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12.
Claim: Wrongful Dismissal
Fast Track Tribunal Hearing: Tuesday, 4 March 2025
Outcome: Claim Upheld. Red card for A4 – Denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12.
is rescinded with immediate effect.
Not even downgraded to a yellow!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 4 Mar 16:35
Dave Honeyman’s camera is on the roof of the main stand, so perhaps this gave the best view?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 4 Mar 16:41
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 4 Mar 16:34
Player: Kyle Benedictus (Dunfermline Athletic FC)
Match: Dunfermline Athletic FC v Greenock Morton FC on Saturday, 1 March 2025
Competition: Scottish Championship
Offence: A4 - Denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12.
Claim: Wrongful Dismissal
Fast Track Tribunal Hearing: Tuesday, 4 March 2025
Outcome: Claim Upheld. Red card for A4 – Denying the opposing team or an opponent a goal or an obvious goal scoring opportunity as defined by Law 12.
is rescinded with immediate effect.
Not even downgraded to a yellow!
It couldn’t be downgraded to a yellow. It’s either a red card, or not a foul. There is absolutely no doubt that would have been classed as an obvious goal scoring opportunity, so any foul would be a red card.
Good news that he’s available for Saturday though.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 4 Mar 17:04
Thanks for clarifying, par-91.
Imagine the reaction on here if we hadn`t won the match on Saturday!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 4 Mar 18:02
I’d like to see the ref punished. He clearly guessed. He was not in a good position to make the call.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Tue 04 Mar 18:03)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 4 Mar 18:15
Just pleased the ref`s mistake didn`t end up costing us 3 pts and Bene`s available on Saturday.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 4 Mar 18:27
Great news for Bene and for us. Couldn’t have worked out any better. The team can take great confidence from the fact that they beat Morton with ten men, Bene can breathe a sigh of relief that the lads didn`t fall apart when he went off and we went on to win the game. Gives us just a little bit of encouragement for the rest of the campaign.
Post Edited (Tue 04 Mar 18:27)
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Tue 4 Mar 18:37
Great news. Well done to the club for putting a successful case. Not sure that ref will be in action anywhere this weekend!
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Tue 4 Mar 20:27
Really pleased about that.
The fact we won the game with 10 men says a lot about our players.
Bene I think is crucial against Falkirk, he is certainly slower (he was never quick anyway) but he usually does really well in the derbies.
He`s been our best captain for years.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 4 Mar 22:11
As some have pointed out a yellow card is not possible in this situation.
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Topic Originator: BlackLight
Date: Wed 5 Mar 08:28
The right outcome.
Honestly, his positioning was a bit suspect though. If it was offside it was lucky, rather than Bene trying to play him offside.
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