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Topic Originator: RossDAFC
Date: Mon 10 Mar 01:01
Football fans always want more players in the transfer window and I think our activity in January/February has shown that you need more than just numbers. 7 of the 8 signings made under Park Bench featured in yesterday`s game, with only Owen Hampson remaining on the bench (Bray not included). The new signings have combined for over 2,000 minutes in total and not one player has a single goal or assist yet. This could of course be down to Tidser`s setup not creating enough goalscoring opportunities but is still a worrying statistic. JCM has been good at the back but our defence overall has not improved and his points per game in the league is worse than Fogarty who he has replaced. With Hamilton, Chalmers and Wotherspoon all ignored for minutes on Saturday, it will be interesting to see if Tidser does the same with Todd, KRH and Cooper when they are all back seeing as they have contributed to nearly half of the team`s league goals between them so far.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 10 Mar 07:40
Quote:
RossDAFC, Mon 10 Mar 01:01
Football fans always want more players in the transfer window and I think our activity in January/February has shown that you need more than just numbers. 7 of the 8 signings made under Park Bench featured in yesterday`s game, with only Owen Hampson remaining on the bench (Bray not included). The new signings have combined for over 2,000 minutes in total and not one player has a single goal or assist yet. This could of course be down to Tidser`s setup not creating enough goalscoring opportunities but is still a worrying statistic. JCM has been good at the back but our defence overall has not improved and his points per game in the league is worse than Fogarty who he has replaced. With Hamilton, Chalmers and Wotherspoon all ignored for minutes on Saturday, it will be interesting to see if Tidser does the same with Todd, KRH and Cooper when they are all back seeing as they have contributed to nearly half of the team`s league goals between them so far.
I too could probably pull a random player out my ass if I was minted. Not a clue what `data` told us about some of these guys but jesus...
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 10 Mar 07:57
I’m guessing the data says ‘they are youth players for English Championship sides so must be good’ or something along they lines.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 10 Mar 09:00
Feels like with the under 23 league in England, players who were previously deemed not good enough and moved on to lower level clubs are being kept on to fill those squads.
I mean we’ve been working with a large pool of young loans each season for some time and it’s proven quite unsuccessful at championship level over the last 3 years.
There was no evidence to suggest the influx of young player in Jan would make the difference and it hasn’t. Boothe the only one who’s a bit older and he’s plays like he’s not really interested in being here.
We were crying out for 2-3 decent experienced players. We still are.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Mon 10 Mar 09:14
Lifted this from an article about Alan Stubbs` time at St Mirren. Club realised it was a disaster and pulled then plug within three months of him being there.
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A number of players from the doldrums of English football, such as Jim Kellerman from Aldershot Town, Josh Heaton from Darlington, and Cody Cooke from Truro City were brought in. Further additions were added from higher up the English pyramid, with Jeff King arriving from Bolton Wanderers, Hayden Coulson arriving from Middlesbrough, and Cole Kpekawa from Colchester United. Finally, some exciting young stars arrived on loan, such as Manchester United’s Matty Willock, Birmingham City’s Nicolai Brock-Madsen, and Southampton’s Alfie Jones. Finally, Scottish Premiership experience was added in the form of Lee Hodgson from Rangers and Ryan Edwards from Hearts.
All in all, Stubbs brought in 14 new players, half of which were on loan and the other half on permanent deals.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 10 Mar 09:54
Where exactly are these experienced players who are likely to be available in the January transfer window? If such players are fit and on form they aren`t likely to be made available by their owner clubs. You might find the odd player who has fallen out of favour with a new manager (Raymond for example) but that`s an exception.
If you look at the players recruited by Championship clubs this January/February you`ll be pushed to find an experienced one amongst them. Scott Arfield is a notable exception but he was unlikely to move anywhere other than Falkirk once they expressed an interest.
Post Edited (Mon 10 Mar 09:57)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 10 Mar 10:02
Literally recruited Hardie and Rustybitz in January.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 10 Mar 10:05
Quote:
Andrew283, Mon 10 Mar 10:02
Literally recruited Hardie and Rustybitz in January.
14 years ago. Clubs are far more likely to hang on to experienced players with the increased match day squad sizes.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 10 Mar 10:18
Perhaps we never looked at what experienced players were available, were always told the data figures out suitable players and they are purely focused on young players given who we’ve brought in.
Just look at last January we brought in Chris Kane for example. Who again got the goals to get us points, experience certainly helps in the situation we are in.
Even Welch-Hayes came in to replace Comrie and filled in fine he was 26/27 at the time.
Post Edited (Mon 10 Mar 10:22)
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Mon 10 Mar 10:36
Was speaking to a guy at work about this this morning when he was asking about why we are in such a mess. We were crying out for a couple of experienced signings in Jan to steady the ship. A Martin Hardin type and someone with a bit of experience to play left mid. You need to think that killie, Motherwell, Dundee, Dundee united, hearts, hibs, Aberdeen etc would have someone on the books in the fringe of their squad who could have given us a wee dig out in those positions for a wee loan fee to sweeten the deal.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Mon 10 Mar 10:46
Generally if you need to be busy in the January window then you are either having a poor season or having an injury crisis.
In the League One January window I was quite happy at not bringing too many in to upset the apple cart.Some folk were still crying out for us to bring in more players.
Continuity of team selection can`t be under estimated to get the best out of what you have. At some point you need to have a settled X1 and try and stick with it?
Falkirk have used the fewest players in the league this season(25). The 3 teams who have used most are Airdrie, ourselves and Queens Park(3 of the bottom 4). That could be purely coincidental and it`s obviously easier to stick with a winning team but if you have teams with roughly equal ability it comes down to how well organised and how you perform as a team-not individuals. It must become harder if you are playing with strangers every week?
Guardiola went into Man City spent a few hundred million and wasn`t close to winning anything in his first season at City. Liverpool came 8th in Klopp`s first season.Even with all the resources in the world you need to build a team.
I hope we see this season out and get some decent early recruitment in the summer so that we are ready to go come the start of pre-season friendlies and sharp by the time the League Cup starts. We have missed out on decent opportunities by treating those games as friendlies.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 10 Mar 11:32
Good post, parathletic.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC
Date: Mon 10 Mar 12:00
Think we can all agree Mcpake was hung out to dry in terms of the summer window and for a second year in a row we`re playing catch up. Really makes you wonder how we`ve managed to post £2m in losses in producing so little on the pitch.
Tidser has since come in, got an influx of players who don`t seem to fit any particular style, and has on top of that applied some very questionable tactics. Let`s hope it gels a bit more over the coming weeks...
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Mon 10 Mar 12:40
I believe the likes of Hamilton, Wotherspoon and MOH are all still more than capable of helping us out of this situation. Hypothetical, I know, but I also wonder where we would be if J. McP had been awarded the same transfer opportunities as MT. Perhaps not winning the league, but maybe mid-table?
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 10 Mar 13:13
I think we’d be in a better position if we’d kept McPake and backed him.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 10 Mar 13:25
I know folk are saying that there aren`t many experienced players out there from Premiership clubs, but Ayr brought in Curtis Main, Falkirk brought in Eamonn Brophy, Hamilton brought in Scott Robinson (from Partick, but still) and Ricki Lamie, etc. So there were players out there we could have picked up.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 10 Mar 13:36
Can add Scott Martin to that list aswell, more than capable midfielder in the Championship.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 10 Mar 14:00
Scott Martin to PT/Scott Robinson to Hamilton was a swap. not sure what the rationale for that was. maybe offering Robinson a longer deal?
Brophy and Lamie have hardly played for Falkirk/Hamilton which makes you wonder if they have some long-term injury issues. Curtis Main would have been a good signing but I suspect he`d be expensive and Ayr would be a much more attractive proposition than us.
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Mon 10 Mar 15:02
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Mon 10 Mar 13:13
I think we’d be in a better position if we’d kept McPake and backed him.
I also think this. Feel like we strengthened better last January under McPake.
I just hope that next season we get a few decent experienced players in to compliment the youngsters.
Look at how well Curtis Main and Scott Arfield are doing, for example.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 10 Mar 15:08
Quote:
CitizenPar, Mon 10 Mar 12:40
I believe the likes of Hamilton, Wotherspoon and MOH are all still more than capable of helping us out of this situation. Hypothetical, I know, but I also wonder where we would be if J. McP had been awarded the same transfer opportunities as MT. Perhaps not winning the league, but maybe mid-table?
I agree that we should be playing these guys. The young lads we have signed, other than JCM and to a lesser extent, Stevens, are no better than what was already here.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Mon 10 Mar 15:20
Charlie Telfer
Scott Arfield
Sam Stanton
Just adding to the list of experienced players who did move in January. There will be plenty of others who may have considered it but didn`t.
Our recruitment strategy doesn`t seem to be prioritising experience, rather prioritising youth to hopefully sell them on. It`s a big gamble if you don`t already have a strong spine of players and a set style to merge them into.
Should we stay up then next season, and the recruitment through this summer, will be really interesting given how few we have under contract for next season.
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Topic Originator: Par4ages
Date: Mon 10 Mar 15:49
I think the recruitment has been, risky at best with all the young inexperienced players but team selection is awful in my opinion, against Falkirk we had 2 in midfield one playing in front of the back 4 and the other having to run about like a headless chicken trying to cover the whole midfield. For that system to work the two wide players have to fill in the gaps but tidser selects the two most inexperienced players to do that, both of which looked totally out of their depth surely when you play against the league leaders you fill the midfield to win the battle then go for it. I want to give tidser a chance but his failure to change his tactics to suit our limited options is going to get us relegated.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 10 Mar 17:02
Quote:
parathletic, Mon 10 Mar 10:46
Generally if you need to be busy in the January window then you are either having a poor season or having an injury crisis.
In the League One January window I was quite happy at not bringing too many in to upset the apple cart.Some folk were still crying out for us to bring in more players.
Continuity of team selection can`t be under estimated to get the best out of what you have. At some point you need to have a settled X1 and try and stick with it?
Falkirk have used the fewest players in the league this season(25). The 3 teams who have used most are Airdrie, ourselves and Queens Park(3 of the bottom 4). That could be purely coincidental and it`s obviously easier to stick with a winning team but if you have teams with roughly equal ability it comes down to how well organised and how you perform as a team-not individuals. It must become harder if you are playing with strangers every week?
Guardiola went into Man City spent a few hundred million and wasn`t close to winning anything in his first season at City. Liverpool came 8th in Klopp`s first season.Even with all the resources in the world you need to build a team.
I hope we see this season out and get some decent early recruitment in the summer so that we are ready to go come the start of pre-season friendlies and sharp by the time the League Cup starts. We have missed out on decent opportunities by treating those games as friendlies.
It`s refreshing to read a well thought out, sensible post. Hang on while I check I`m on dotnet.
Unfortunately, a vociferous minority on here are still drunk on the 60s, and Masterton`s incredible bank robbery. They think we are "The Mighty Pars" and demand instant success using their tactics.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 10 Mar 17:39
As with everything, balance is key. Unfortunately, getting through balance isn`t easy and takes time. We`ve signed experienced players that have ended up being duds. We`ve signed inexperienced players who you`d question have ever played a game before. There are very few Craig Brewster`s or Adam Hammil`s.
We appear to be going down the route of bringing in less experienced players in the hope a few do well and can be sold on. Sounds easy but it`s not. If it was, everyone would do it.
Football is an odd business. Nothing is guaranteed. Some teams will get success on a shoestring budget while others spend millions and get nowhere. For me the key is gradual improvement through building a squad over time. The model of throwing a load of players away (or loans ending) and buying/loaning a load more players won`t ever work well in the long run and it`s something we`ve been doing now for a few seasons due to budget constraints.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Mon 10 Mar 18:01
That`s really patronising Parrott.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Mon 10 Mar 19:53
Quote:
Par4ages, Mon 10 Mar 15:49
I think the recruitment has been, risky at best with all the young inexperienced players but team selection is awful in my opinion, against Falkirk we had 2 in midfield one playing in front of the back 4 and the other having to run about like a headless chicken trying to cover the whole midfield. For that system to work the two wide players have to fill in the gaps but tidser selects the two most inexperienced players to do that, both of which looked totally out of their depth surely when you play against the league leaders you fill the midfield to win the battle then go for it. I want to give tidser a chance but his failure to change his tactics to suit our limited options is going to get us relegated.
Good post.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Mon 10 Mar 19:57
Quote:
PARrot, Mon 10 Mar 17:02
Quote:
parathletic, Mon 10 Mar 10:46
Generally if you need to be busy in the January window then you are either having a poor season or having an injury crisis.
In the League One January window I was quite happy at not bringing too many in to upset the apple cart.Some folk were still crying out for us to bring in more players.
Continuity of team selection can`t be under estimated to get the best out of what you have. At some point you need to have a settled X1 and try and stick with it?
Falkirk have used the fewest players in the league this season(25). The 3 teams who have used most are Airdrie, ourselves and Queens Park(3 of the bottom 4). That could be purely coincidental and it`s obviously easier to stick with a winning team but if you have teams with roughly equal ability it comes down to how well organised and how you perform as a team-not individuals. It must become harder if you are playing with strangers every week?
Guardiola went into Man City spent a few hundred million and wasn`t close to winning anything in his first season at City. Liverpool came 8th in Klopp`s first season.Even with all the resources in the world you need to build a team.
I hope we see this season out and get some decent early recruitment in the summer so that we are ready to go come the start of pre-season friendlies and sharp by the time the League Cup starts. We have missed out on decent opportunities by treating those games as friendlies.
It`s refreshing to read a well thought out, sensible post. Hang on while I check I`m on dotnet.
Unfortunately, a vociferous minority on here are still drunk on the 60s, and Masterton`s incredible bank robbery. They think we are "The Mighty Pars" and demand instant success using their tactics.
Honestly cannot stand this crap and it’s always the same happy clapper types who come out with it. You came out with the same patronising nonsense for about 6 months after every fan who knows football said mcpakes time was up. Nobody is demanding instant success, but at the same time not scoring a single goal against the dross in this league for about 7 hours of football is completely unacceptable. We could get cuffed 10-0 on Friday and you’d still come out saying we’re not entitled to demand better. People like you and your acceptance of ridiculous decisions over a long period of time are part of the reason we are in this mess.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Mon 10 Mar 20:24
Well said Bamba, the acceptance of ridiculous appointments, substandard recruitment and performing well below where we should be have created a culture of failure. This must be robustly challenged if we are ever to return to the top flight.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 10 Mar 20:40
Well said Bamba-Daft, spot on.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 10 Mar 22:05
There`s absolutely no justification for even partly blaming a random fan who posts on this shambles of a forum for the situation our club is in.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 10 Mar 22:05)
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Topic Originator: Par Dan
Date: Tue 11 Mar 14:00
Shambles of a forum?????
You’ve posted on here every single day for……… (checks notes) ….. FOREVER ! .
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 11 Mar 14:18
DA is correct. I don’t agree with what Parrot says in his post but I also don’t believe he is in any way connected to the issues we have on the field or in the boardroom. It is nonsense to say otherwise. I don’t feel the need to attack another poster’s positivity or to go further and blame him for some of the ills of the club.
I would prefer to sit next to him at the games than listen to some of the stuff that comes from fans in the terracing.
Maybe a forum is different for some people.
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Topic Originator: Par Dan
Date: Wed 12 Mar 00:22
He is correct. 💯 but I think it’s funny he calls the forum a shambles . Again he is correct but he’s posted everyday for about 15 years ???
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC
Date: Wed 12 Mar 01:00
With regards to youth vs experience, I actually think the main issue we have is we don`t have any players at peak ages. Generally you`re looking at 27-30 for most positions and only Kane, Comrie and Wighton in the whole squad are in that age bracket. Falkirk by comparison have 9 players in this bracket including Spencer, Miller, Nesbitt and Henderson who are all key players. They also have a cluster of 4 or 5 regular squad players who are 1 or 2 years younger than this and just 1 player over 30 (Arfield). I think most people think we need hardened veterans to steady the ship when actually what we lack is players who are actually in their prime.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 13 Mar 15:43
Interesting to hear some people would like to see mcpake backed. I genuinely wouldn`t trust him with a £5 note. Remember this guy handed out contracts to players like Wighton who has twice been shipped out on loan since we signed him. Mehmet who can`t be trusted in goals and McCann who can`t score goals at the rate required at this level.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 13 Mar 17:16
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 10 Mar 22:05
There`s absolutely no justification for even partly blaming a random fan who posts on this shambles of a forum for the situation our club is in.
Correct - but the thing that makes the forum a shambles is the same posters consistently overlooking how bad we are and thinking that our current state is fine.
And before you go off on one at me, I don’t think you are one of them these days……..
If we lose tomorrow night, and Hamilton win on Saturday, we are really in the sh*t, and I think some people need to start realising that.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 13 Mar 17:43
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 13 Mar 17:16
Correct - but the thing that makes the forum a shambles is the same posters consistently overlooking how bad we are and thinking that our current state is fine.
Is anyone really saying that?
I see a lot of really negative posters getting upset with pragmatic posters. People who think that it`s highly unlikely that the board will sack a manager after a few weeks. People who aren`t willing to jump to conclusions about roles and responsibilities of backroom staff without knowing the details.
I don`t recall anyone saying we`re good right now.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 13 Mar 18:03
Quote:
fcda, Thu 13 Mar 17:43
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 13 Mar 17:16
Correct - but the thing that makes the forum a shambles is the same posters consistently overlooking how bad we are and thinking that our current state is fine.
Is anyone really saying that?
I see a lot of really negative posters getting upset with pragmatic posters. People who think that it`s highly unlikely that the board will sack a manager after a few weeks. People who aren`t willing to jump to conclusions about roles and responsibilities of backroom staff without knowing the details.
I don`t recall anyone saying we`re good right now.
Good post, fcda. I believe I can say, without fear of contradiction that there`s not a single Pars fan anywhere - not one - who`s remotely happy with either our league position or the performances and results the Pars have been mostly serving up this season and last.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Thu 13 Mar 18:08
Fcda, we had a poster on here a couple of weeks ago making the case that he thought we could still make 4th. Completely delusional and detached from reality. There are people on here who resolutely refuse to believe how bad things are despite all evidence laid bare in front of them.
I think, and have always thought, Tidser is a horrific managerial appointment. I completely understand the board are unlikely to sack him before the end of the season but I think it is probably for the best that they do, it would be even better if they had never appointed him.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 13 Mar 18:47
Quote:
Never10yairds, Thu 13 Mar 18:08
Fcda, we had a poster on here a couple of weeks ago making the case that he thought we could still make 4th. Completely delusional and detached from reality. There are people on here who resolutely refuse to believe how bad things are despite all evidence laid bare in front of them.
I think, and have always thought, Tidser is a horrific managerial appointment. I completely understand the board are unlikely to sack him before the end of the season but I think it is probably for the best that they do, it would be even better if they had never appointed him.
That would be Parrot, N10Y. He can speak for himself, but I think he tries to be supremely optimistic to try and counter the understandable, but rampant negativity that the disappointing results and performances have elicited among dotnet posters this season and last.
In spite of his optimism, I`m sure Parrot will be as angry and as frustrated as the rest of us at the current situation.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 13 Mar 18:55
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 13 Mar 18:47
Quote:
Never10yairds, Thu 13 Mar 18:08
Fcda, we had a poster on here a couple of weeks ago making the case that he thought we could still make 4th. Completely delusional and detached from reality. There are people on here who resolutely refuse to believe how bad things are despite all evidence laid bare in front of them.
I think, and have always thought, Tidser is a horrific managerial appointment. I completely understand the board are unlikely to sack him before the end of the season but I think it is probably for the best that they do, it would be even better if they had never appointed him.
That would be Parrot, N10Y. He can speak for himself, but I think he tries to be supremely optimistic to try and counter the understandable, but rampant negativity that the disappointing results and performances have elicited among dotnet posters this season and last.
In spite of his optimism, I`m sure Parrot will be as angry and as frustrated as the rest of us at the current situation.
Theres optimism then theres blind faith……Im hoping his post about finishing 4th was with a severe tongue in cheek at the aim of riling up half the forum…….
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Thu 13 Mar 19:53
@ggriva
Yeah, I remember who it was, I just chose not to name him.
The thing is mate, the negativity at this point is just being realistic about our situation. I am above all else a realist, that is why I come across so negative on here I suppose.
Had I been posting on here in 2011 after we signed Hardie and Rustybits, you would have been calling me an optimist because I was absolutely convinced we’d win the league by mid February.
Post Edited (Thu 13 Mar 19:54)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 13 Mar 21:07
Even when we got humped off Morton at home? I didn`t.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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