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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Thu 1 May 23:34
Now we are sure of our status … There’s no better manager to get us up challenging and maybe winning the league. I think Falkirk have peaked too soon and will struggle to get a squad good enough for the premier. With that same thought I think if we get well into the playoffs and go again the next season that’s more sustainable financially.
If our owners have real money then we may get a shock squad and go up but I stand by a two year plan.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: vasco
Date: Fri 2 May 07:50
3 year plan
year I win championship
year 2 consolidate in Premiership
year 3 qualify for Europe win a cup
Got to have dreams
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 2 May 10:55
It will be an interesting discussion between him and the owners. I thought a big part of the new owners buying the club was to showcase their analytics model? Are they going to hand over the decision making to Lennon which isn`t a great advert for their product? There is going to need to be a compromise from one or both of the parties for the relationship to go any further imo.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Fri 2 May 11:05
I imagine that it will be a collaborative approach. You can have all your eggs in one basket with either a manager, a coach, a scout or AI.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 2 May 11:10
Surely the January transfer window will have alerted the owners to the risk of putting too much reliance on data analysis? I`d be surprised if NL hadn`t made that point to them already.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 2 May 11:13
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wee eck, Fri 2 May 11:10
Surely the January transfer window will have alerted the owners to the risk of putting too much reliance on data analysis? I`d be surprised if NL hadn`t made that point to them already.
I concur Eck but it depends if their model was a fundamental part of the takeover. If they are prepared to neglect that approach I don`t think it would upset too many, but it doesn`t say much about their product to the external world?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 2 May 11:23
If James Bord is a gambler I can`t see him persisting with a losing strategy but, on the other hand, I doubt he`ll abandon it altogether. I suspect some kind of compromise will be reached.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Fri 2 May 11:35
I think with these things there has to be a compromise between what the data says and what scouting tells you. Presumably Lennon already knows the approach our new owners want to take in terms of recruitment, but maybe given his reputation (which Tidser didn`t have) he can have more of a final say on who comes through the door?
JCM is really the only one who was brought in who had an immediate positive impact. Bray and Young look promising young talents to develop, but the rest of the signings just haven`t really worked out as intended. Given the timescales involved within January that`s understandable to me.
Hopefully they`ll have had a bit of time now to think about how to refine their approach this summer and how we build a stronger overall squad rather than players who are just making up the numbers as we`ve seen the last few years. The first major step of course was staying up, which has now been achieved.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 2 May 11:54
I hope Lennon stays. I`m not saying he`s the best manager out there but he comes across as very level headed and he`s a good sell. He`s got a strong profile so he`s someone players can learn from and other managers, agents etc have respect for. Like if Neil Lennon comes your way you`re thinking of your reputation as he`s well connected so you want to impress.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Fri 2 May 13:43
I see it more that they will be developing and refining their models in a real world environment and within the cultural boundaries of the game in Scotland. There are many barriers and variables to consider in the Scottish game.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Fri 2 May 15:12
As I said on a previous post, try and understand exactly how the analytics model works before assuming ....
" Remember that the analytics doesn`t just target youngsters , the data is there to identify what players are available to fit into the designated system agreed by the manager
Then the players that are available are scouted and deemed whether they fit into the budget that will be available to spend and indeed would fit into a squad that would work as a team, personality, temperament etc."
Tidser was unfortunately out of his depth for this way of operating which the new owners identified quite quickly
Post Edited (Fri 02 May 15:13)
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Fri 2 May 15:22
Quote:
alwaysaPar, Fri 2 May 15:12
As I said on a previous post, try and understand exactly how the analytics model works before assuming ....
" Remember that the analytics doesn`t just target youngsters , the data is there to identify what players are available to fit into the designated system agreed by the manager
Then the players that are available are scouted and deemed whether they fit into the budget that will be available to spend and indeed would fit into a squad that would work as a team, personality, temperament etc."
Tidser was unfortunately out of his depth for this way of operating which the new owners identified quite quickly
So was the guy signing the players in January.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 2 May 15:25
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Loyal is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to fans.
I’d say most are loyal from a young age until they are in their 20’s then settle down with wife and raise kids. (Most of my pals who went home and away when young didn’t go to many games for that reason.
These fans are lost for many years but will tend to reappear later in life when life isn’t so hectic.
With luck their kids will follow in their footsteps and the cycle continues.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 2 May 15:59
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kozmasrightfoot, Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Agree. You`ve said what I meant - he`s a strong choice for the club. He could manage at a higher level but I hope he sticks around and does end up managing at a higher level...with US!
He could turn out to do a Calderwood and get us in the top 6 and into Europe, but we need to be realistic. A club our size should be competing easily with the bigger clubs out with the main Edinburgh and Glasgow sides. However, that needs earned and will take time. Lennon comes with knowledge, experience and connections but I think he`s someone for the players to aspire to. That`s not a dig at the likes of Tidser, McPake or any previous Pars manager, but this is a guy who was a first choice for Celtic for years, playing in some massive games and knows people. He also seems the kind of guy who isn`t going to sugar-coat things, which is good to see. Fingers crossed he sticks around and can build a strong squad.
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Fri 2 May 16:16
Use the analytics approach to target young players (how young? nae idea) and let NL decide when they’re good enough for the first team.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 2 May 17:27
I can`t see Lennon being content with play off places this year. You only need to look at his medal haul as player and manager to know he`s not the type to be interested in second prizes. He`ll want to win this Championship.
He`s won more Premiership titles than any manager currently working in Scotland, we will be very lucky if he decides he wants to lead us.
The owners will be keen to prove their analytics works, HOWEVER, they need someone experienced who knows how to blend a team together for it all to be successful. Some of those players we brought in during the winter window might have been decent enough if they were fitting into a team full of established, experienced players who could support their development.
Lennon will know the players he needs to play the way he wants to, and be able hopefully use the analytics to scout players who can help
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 2 May 17:56
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 2 May 17:27
I can`t see Lennon being content with play off places this year. You only need to look at his medal haul as player and manager to know he`s not the type to be interested in second prizes. He`ll want to win this Championship.
He`s won more Premiership titles than any manager currently working in Scotland, we will be very lucky if he decides he wants to lead us.
The owners will be keen to prove their analytics works, HOWEVER, they need someone experienced who knows how to blend a team together for it all to be successful. Some of those players we brought in during the winter window might have been decent enough if they were fitting into a team full of established, experienced players who could support their development.
Lennon will know the players he needs to play the way he wants to, and be able hopefully use the analytics to scout players who can help
Maybe he has won enough and fancies something different.
The challenge of restoring a club like DAFC might just appeal to him.
He already has a legacy and plenty money.
Sometimes the challenge is the appeal.
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Fri 2 May 18:21
Lennon stated that he wanted to be the one who signed the players in an interview when he joined so I’d imagine the analytics will suggest names and Lennon might take a look at them, however he was clear that the players signed will be his choices
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Fri 2 May 19:35
Quote:
ParfectXI, Fri 2 May 18:21
Lennon stated that he wanted to be the one who signed the players in an interview when he joined so I’d imagine the analytics will suggest names and Lennon might take a look at them, however he was clear that the players signed will be his choices
If he was anywhere near the Wanyama signing it should give you the fear. Wouldn’t have thought he had much say at Celtic or Hibs or even Bolton the short time he was there, hardly something to be excited about sadly
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 2 May 22:37
Quote:
Hunter78, Fri 2 May 19:35
Quote:
ParfectXI, Fri 2 May 18:21
Lennon stated that he wanted to be the one who signed the players in an interview when he joined so I’d imagine the analytics will suggest names and Lennon might take a look at them, however he was clear that the players signed will be his choices
If he was anywhere near the Wanyama signing it should give you the fear. Wouldn’t have thought he had much say at Celtic or Hibs or even Bolton the short time he was there, hardly something to be excited about sadly
I think even starting Wanyama tonight is a red alert as to future intentions.
Chalmers too starting after being out so long. Clearly going to be rusty and cost the two goals.
I get the result didn’t matter but if these players aren’t going to be there next season, why the hell play them?
I still have this sinking feeling that Neil Lennon is going to be a Billy big baws type who thinks he’s too big for Dunfermline
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Murphy
Date: Fri 2 May 23:05
Yeah good point AAPS, that is a concern. I wonder if MOH was fit, he would have featured too.
I think I’ll be waiting to see who out this squad is resigned before I renewing my ST, I have had enough of most of these players including the more experienced ones, I’m not willing to watch another manager persevere with them only to find out they’re not good enough.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 2 May 23:28
Got to agree, do we think Lennon has achieved anything that plenty other managers wouldn’t have? Airdrie were already miles behind and we Hamilton saved us from surviving purely on goal difference. Mcpake got that team scoring more goals in the first 7 games of the season than Lennon got in the last 7 games. We were still murder to watch but it felt better as it wasn’t tidser ball.
Wanyama signing and actually getting on the park worries me, it tells me there no fitness standard being set and it’s a who you know not what you know type deal.
Let’s see how it goes but he’ll have to build a whole new side from scratch for next season.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 2 May 23:50
What a joy this forum is!
Write off the season, clear out the squad then let`s see where we are.
We may be better, we may be worse, but judging Lennon on the dross he`s managed to keep us up with is silly behaviour.
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Sat 3 May 00:04
VW was only brought in to take the heat of NL easy to see that, big PR stunt which in my opinion worked. He sold strips for the club and let NL do what he needed to do without having the press round his neck and it was all paid by our online gambling sponsor.
Keith allan
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