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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Thu 1 May 23:34
Now we are sure of our status … There’s no better manager to get us up challenging and maybe winning the league. I think Falkirk have peaked too soon and will struggle to get a squad good enough for the premier. With that same thought I think if we get well into the playoffs and go again the next season that’s more sustainable financially.
If our owners have real money then we may get a shock squad and go up but I stand by a two year plan.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: vasco
Date: Fri 2 May 07:50
3 year plan
year I win championship
year 2 consolidate in Premiership
year 3 qualify for Europe win a cup
Got to have dreams
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 2 May 10:55
It will be an interesting discussion between him and the owners. I thought a big part of the new owners buying the club was to showcase their analytics model? Are they going to hand over the decision making to Lennon which isn`t a great advert for their product? There is going to need to be a compromise from one or both of the parties for the relationship to go any further imo.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Fri 2 May 11:05
I imagine that it will be a collaborative approach. You can have all your eggs in one basket with either a manager, a coach, a scout or AI.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 2 May 11:10
Surely the January transfer window will have alerted the owners to the risk of putting too much reliance on data analysis? I`d be surprised if NL hadn`t made that point to them already.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Fri 2 May 11:13
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 2 May 11:10
Surely the January transfer window will have alerted the owners to the risk of putting too much reliance on data analysis? I`d be surprised if NL hadn`t made that point to them already.
I concur Eck but it depends if their model was a fundamental part of the takeover. If they are prepared to neglect that approach I don`t think it would upset too many, but it doesn`t say much about their product to the external world?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 2 May 11:23
If James Bord is a gambler I can`t see him persisting with a losing strategy but, on the other hand, I doubt he`ll abandon it altogether. I suspect some kind of compromise will be reached.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Fri 2 May 11:35
I think with these things there has to be a compromise between what the data says and what scouting tells you. Presumably Lennon already knows the approach our new owners want to take in terms of recruitment, but maybe given his reputation (which Tidser didn`t have) he can have more of a final say on who comes through the door?
JCM is really the only one who was brought in who had an immediate positive impact. Bray and Young look promising young talents to develop, but the rest of the signings just haven`t really worked out as intended. Given the timescales involved within January that`s understandable to me.
Hopefully they`ll have had a bit of time now to think about how to refine their approach this summer and how we build a stronger overall squad rather than players who are just making up the numbers as we`ve seen the last few years. The first major step of course was staying up, which has now been achieved.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 2 May 11:54
I hope Lennon stays. I`m not saying he`s the best manager out there but he comes across as very level headed and he`s a good sell. He`s got a strong profile so he`s someone players can learn from and other managers, agents etc have respect for. Like if Neil Lennon comes your way you`re thinking of your reputation as he`s well connected so you want to impress.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Fri 2 May 13:43
I see it more that they will be developing and refining their models in a real world environment and within the cultural boundaries of the game in Scotland. There are many barriers and variables to consider in the Scottish game.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Fri 2 May 15:12
As I said on a previous post, try and understand exactly how the analytics model works before assuming ....
" Remember that the analytics doesn`t just target youngsters , the data is there to identify what players are available to fit into the designated system agreed by the manager
Then the players that are available are scouted and deemed whether they fit into the budget that will be available to spend and indeed would fit into a squad that would work as a team, personality, temperament etc."
Tidser was unfortunately out of his depth for this way of operating which the new owners identified quite quickly
Post Edited (Fri 02 May 15:13)
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Fri 2 May 15:22
Quote:
alwaysaPar, Fri 2 May 15:12
As I said on a previous post, try and understand exactly how the analytics model works before assuming ....
" Remember that the analytics doesn`t just target youngsters , the data is there to identify what players are available to fit into the designated system agreed by the manager
Then the players that are available are scouted and deemed whether they fit into the budget that will be available to spend and indeed would fit into a squad that would work as a team, personality, temperament etc."
Tidser was unfortunately out of his depth for this way of operating which the new owners identified quite quickly
So was the guy signing the players in January.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 2 May 15:25
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Loyal is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to fans.
I’d say most are loyal from a young age until they are in their 20’s then settle down with wife and raise kids. (Most of my pals who went home and away when young didn’t go to many games for that reason.
These fans are lost for many years but will tend to reappear later in life when life isn’t so hectic.
With luck their kids will follow in their footsteps and the cycle continues.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 2 May 15:59
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Agree. You`ve said what I meant - he`s a strong choice for the club. He could manage at a higher level but I hope he sticks around and does end up managing at a higher level...with US!
He could turn out to do a Calderwood and get us in the top 6 and into Europe, but we need to be realistic. A club our size should be competing easily with the bigger clubs out with the main Edinburgh and Glasgow sides. However, that needs earned and will take time. Lennon comes with knowledge, experience and connections but I think he`s someone for the players to aspire to. That`s not a dig at the likes of Tidser, McPake or any previous Pars manager, but this is a guy who was a first choice for Celtic for years, playing in some massive games and knows people. He also seems the kind of guy who isn`t going to sugar-coat things, which is good to see. Fingers crossed he sticks around and can build a strong squad.
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Fri 2 May 16:16
Use the analytics approach to target young players (how young? nae idea) and let NL decide when they’re good enough for the first team.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 2 May 17:27
I can`t see Lennon being content with play off places this year. You only need to look at his medal haul as player and manager to know he`s not the type to be interested in second prizes. He`ll want to win this Championship.
He`s won more Premiership titles than any manager currently working in Scotland, we will be very lucky if he decides he wants to lead us.
The owners will be keen to prove their analytics works, HOWEVER, they need someone experienced who knows how to blend a team together for it all to be successful. Some of those players we brought in during the winter window might have been decent enough if they were fitting into a team full of established, experienced players who could support their development.
Lennon will know the players he needs to play the way he wants to, and be able hopefully use the analytics to scout players who can help
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 2 May 17:56
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 2 May 17:27
I can`t see Lennon being content with play off places this year. You only need to look at his medal haul as player and manager to know he`s not the type to be interested in second prizes. He`ll want to win this Championship.
He`s won more Premiership titles than any manager currently working in Scotland, we will be very lucky if he decides he wants to lead us.
The owners will be keen to prove their analytics works, HOWEVER, they need someone experienced who knows how to blend a team together for it all to be successful. Some of those players we brought in during the winter window might have been decent enough if they were fitting into a team full of established, experienced players who could support their development.
Lennon will know the players he needs to play the way he wants to, and be able hopefully use the analytics to scout players who can help
Maybe he has won enough and fancies something different.
The challenge of restoring a club like DAFC might just appeal to him.
He already has a legacy and plenty money.
Sometimes the challenge is the appeal.
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Fri 2 May 18:21
Lennon stated that he wanted to be the one who signed the players in an interview when he joined so I’d imagine the analytics will suggest names and Lennon might take a look at them, however he was clear that the players signed will be his choices
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Fri 2 May 19:35
Quote:
ParfectXI, Fri 2 May 18:21
Lennon stated that he wanted to be the one who signed the players in an interview when he joined so I’d imagine the analytics will suggest names and Lennon might take a look at them, however he was clear that the players signed will be his choices
If he was anywhere near the Wanyama signing it should give you the fear. Wouldn’t have thought he had much say at Celtic or Hibs or even Bolton the short time he was there, hardly something to be excited about sadly
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 2 May 22:37
Quote:
Hunter78, Fri 2 May 19:35
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ParfectXI, Fri 2 May 18:21
Lennon stated that he wanted to be the one who signed the players in an interview when he joined so I’d imagine the analytics will suggest names and Lennon might take a look at them, however he was clear that the players signed will be his choices
If he was anywhere near the Wanyama signing it should give you the fear. Wouldn’t have thought he had much say at Celtic or Hibs or even Bolton the short time he was there, hardly something to be excited about sadly
I think even starting Wanyama tonight is a red alert as to future intentions.
Chalmers too starting after being out so long. Clearly going to be rusty and cost the two goals.
I get the result didn’t matter but if these players aren’t going to be there next season, why the hell play them?
I still have this sinking feeling that Neil Lennon is going to be a Billy big baws type who thinks he’s too big for Dunfermline
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Murphy
Date: Fri 2 May 23:05
Yeah good point AAPS, that is a concern. I wonder if MOH was fit, he would have featured too.
I think I’ll be waiting to see who out this squad is resigned before I renewing my ST, I have had enough of most of these players including the more experienced ones, I’m not willing to watch another manager persevere with them only to find out they’re not good enough.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 2 May 23:28
Got to agree, do we think Lennon has achieved anything that plenty other managers wouldn’t have? Airdrie were already miles behind and we Hamilton saved us from surviving purely on goal difference. Mcpake got that team scoring more goals in the first 7 games of the season than Lennon got in the last 7 games. We were still murder to watch but it felt better as it wasn’t tidser ball.
Wanyama signing and actually getting on the park worries me, it tells me there no fitness standard being set and it’s a who you know not what you know type deal.
Let’s see how it goes but he’ll have to build a whole new side from scratch for next season.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 2 May 23:50
What a joy this forum is!
Write off the season, clear out the squad then let`s see where we are.
We may be better, we may be worse, but judging Lennon on the dross he`s managed to keep us up with is silly behaviour.
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Topic Originator: Kba990309
Date: Sat 3 May 00:04
VW was only brought in to take the heat of NL easy to see that, big PR stunt which in my opinion worked. He sold strips for the club and let NL do what he needed to do without having the press round his neck and it was all paid by our online gambling sponsor.
Keith allan
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 3 May 00:11
That`s 2 threads with the exact same Berkey dribbling on it.
See you in July folks. I`m oot 😆
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 3 May 00:19
He was maybe looking at players he was undecided on tonight. Well he got his answer
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 3 May 00:42
For every post I make there’s always one from yourself, the resident champion of mediocrity!
Let’s see how many of the players you have spent the season making excuses for are in the team come the first game of next season.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 3 May 00:48
Quote:
Parfect69, Sat 3 May 00:19
He was maybe looking at players he was undecided on tonight. Well he got his answer
No, he played his favourites in terms of Victor and Joe
Anyone who has watched Wanyama in the past month knows he should be nowhere near the first team squad. Actually starting the game is amazing stupidity.
That’s why I said it’s a red alert sign and don’t presume Lennon is the new messiah.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 3 May 01:38
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Sat 3 May 00:48
Quote:
Parfect69, Sat 3 May 00:19
He was maybe looking at players he was undecided on tonight. Well he got his answer
No, he played his favourites in terms of Victor and Joe
Anyone who has watched Wanyama in the past month knows he should be nowhere near the first team squad. Actually starting the game is amazing stupidity.
That’s why I said it’s a red alert sign and don’t presume Lennon is the new messiah.
Don’t think he is the messiah for one second, however he could, if he decides to stay help us improve and head in the right direction. Like a lot of others I’m glad this panto is over and I can only hope as I always do that this season we can improve
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 3 May 03:32
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Sat 3 May 00:48
Quote:
Parfect69, Sat 3 May 00:19
He was maybe looking at players he was undecided on tonight. Well he got his answer
No, he played his favourites in terms of Victor and Joe
Anyone who has watched Wanyama in the past month knows he should be nowhere near the first team squad. Actually starting the game is amazing stupidity.
That’s why I said it’s a red alert sign and don’t presume Lennon is the new messiah.
Lol. I have no idea why he played Chalmers or Victor, or any of the rest.
He does though, and given his experience and succes rate, Im gonny guess he knows a wee bit more than any of his detractors on here.
He had his reasons. Good enougg for me. It was a dead rubber.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 3 May 03:34
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 3 May 00:42
For every post I make there’s always one from yourself, the resident champion of mediocrity!
Let’s see how many of the players you have spent the season making excuses for are in the team come the first game of next season.
To be fair, I don`t think he does defend the folk you constantly schit on.
He just constantly gets piszed at you constantly schitting on them.
I hope you are stocking up on Dioralyte ready for next season
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 3 May 08:03
Good to see the honeymoon has ended!🤔
Just waiting on the "Lennon out" posts from our resident moaners.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 3 May 08:05
I think if you are a manager of people, you have to give everyone the opportunity to demonstrate what they can do. It will be part of his thinking and decision-making for next season. There are many valid perspectives on this forum, but the way I see it, he has to give everyone a chance, whether he initially believes they will be in his future plans or not. He calls out poor performances he praises players who play well. He wants high standards first and foremost. He has only had a few games to turn things around and try and get the best out of the group of players that he has. If I were to reflect, I would say that he has done what was expected of him. It`s about looking fng you can do is write people orward and putting the systems and processes to build the club and squad to compete in the championship and ultimately the premiership. It`s a team game it takes a team effort. Every player and member of staff need to feel they can play a part in that and should be given the opportunity to do that. Good morale is vital because it gets you through the tough times, that you will have in any season. The worst thing you can do is write people off without giving them opportunity. That`s not good for morale.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 3 May 10:52
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Need to get this “big club” mindset into perspective.
We are middle of the road.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 3 May 11:04
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 3 May 10:52
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Need to get this “big club” mindset into perspective.
We are middle of the road.
Nonsense. Every signing tells us, we`re a big club. They wouldn`t all say it if it wasn`t true.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 3 May 11:17
We`re not a big club but need that mind set. This season, even from pre-season, has been pretty pathetic. We weren`t ready, we weren`t drilled, we were like a bunch of guys who hadn`t played football before. It was a disgrace.
If we want to succeed we need to aspire to do better rather than just get by.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 3 May 14:52
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 3 May 00:42
For every post I make there’s always one from yourself, the resident champion of mediocrity!
Let’s see how many of the players you have spent the season making excuses for are in the team come the first game of next season.
Id say me and da don’t see eye to eye on everything on here, but he certainly hasn’t been making excuses for this lot over the last 3/4 months.
What he has done is called out the consistent berating and negativity shown by some towards the same players every week - even when they don’t play.
Your constant barrages towards the same players every week just makes you look like a bully that never made it in football so try to take it out on young lads who have “made it” in comparison to you. If you have kids, I hope your personality is different around them than on here or heaven help them.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 3 May 15:28
Now the season from hell is over it`s crazy how this season transpired from where we were to where we are now. The early warning signs in those League Cup debacles were glaring, and the lack of pace and no cutting edge in the squad under McPake was evident from the start. The attempt to play this possession-based, build-from-the-back system without the technical players to support it (especially someone like Benedictus trying to play out under pressure) made the whole thing predictable and easy to defend against hence why he got his jotter which should really have been done earlier.
Tidser’s appointment was a bizarre gamble. Coming from Kelty with no real track record of turning around a Championship level side. Doubling down on the same flawed style that got Mcpake the bullet only added to the frustrations of the supporters. His public scathing comments about the players character after the Hamilton defeat followed by a weak backpedal a few days later screamed of a man out of his depth. It was painfully obvious he wasn`t going to last.
The board do deserve credit for owning their mistake and swiftly pulling the plug and bringing in Lennon, even if it was late in the day with safety looking less and less likely. He brought in some standards and made us difficult to beat. With a mixed bag of results we somehow managed to finish 7th. That said we were helped massively thanks to Hamilton’s off-field implosion rather than any true change in form.
As for what comes next is anyone`s guess although I expect Lennon to continue. If Lennon does stay it gives Dunfermline a solid platform and a manager with pulling power in the transfer market. But if he doesn`t, it could be another grim campaign. Shedding the deadwood from the McPake / Tidser era while adding real pace and a cutting edge in the final third and sorting the pitch out are all non-negotiable IMO.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 3 May 17:10
Mcpake was poor but even worse due to Germans and cooks financial management, stuck with poor players from lower leagues.
Tidser, sadly out of his depth, man management, he publicly blamed the players, the truth, but at that point, they should have tried motivating the team. He lost his way, and players were appalling who effectively gave up.
Fortunately, we were taken over by a team who could see the issues and knew that a big hitting manager was needed.
Lennon arrives, down to earth, did not promise the world, but he got his team fighting for him, under the cumstances his results were OK, goal scored were appalling, and by the skin of our teeth we survived.
He is a Name and will attract players, sadly 7 or 8 new faces needed. However, if he goes, thanks Neil, and let`s find an equivelant replacement. The future is rosy.
Post Edited (Sat 03 May 17:13)
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Sat 3 May 17:15
Quote:
thebear, Sat 3 May 17:10
Mcpake was poor but even worse due to Germans and cooks financial management, stuck with poor players from lower leagues.
Tidser, sadly out of his depth, man management, he publicly blamed the players, the truth, but at that point, they should have tried motivating the team. He lost his way, and players were appalling who effectively gave up.
Fortunately, we were taken over by a team who could see the issues and knew that a big hitting manager was needed.
Lennon arrives, down to earth, did not promise the world, but he got his team fighting for him, under the cumstances his results were OK, goal scored were appalling, and by the skin of our teeth we survived.
He is a Name and will attract players, sadly 7 or 8 new faces needed. However, if he goes, thanks Neil, and let`s find an equivelant replacement. The future is rosy.
You forget Bord and Cook appointed Tidser, no one else. Yes they fixed a mistake but he was the choice and only interviewee
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 3 May 17:17
To be fair to Cook, imagine being given the task of running a football club with a terrible budget.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 3 May 17:28
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DBA, Sat 3 May 11:04
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veteraneastender, Sat 3 May 10:52
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kozmasrightfoot, Fri 2 May 14:26
Jake, Lennon may not be the best manager out there but he`s leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else that would come to us.
Some Pars fans seem to think that Dunfermline are one of the biggest teams in Europe. News flash, we`re not. We`re a small Scottish club that can`t even manage to get ten thousand home fans each week. Even ten thousand fans wouldn`t make us a big team.
We`re a small club with a loyal following of 5 thousand fans, with maybe another ten to fifteen casual fans that crawl out of the woodwork for a cup final.
Neil Lennon would be a fine manager for a club of our stature. If he brings success then maybe,just maybe we can convert 2-4 of these casual supporters into loyal fans that come every week. Then at least we can say we`re the officially the 7th biggest club in Scotland (maybe 6th as I`m not sure what Dundee Uniteds support is, I`m guessing about 6-8 thousand a week?).
Need to get this “big club” mindset into perspective.
We are middle of the road.
Nonsense. Every signing tells us, we`re a big club. They wouldn`t all say it if it wasn`t true.
Obviously “they” are also deluded from
reality.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 3 May 17:30
Don`t get how playing Wanyama and Chalmers last night was dur to them being "favourites"? Both have been in and out the team, it`s not as if they`ve been mainstays despite playing poorly. Chalmers was perfectly adequate at Ayr and with no Fogarty (injured?) there wasn`t exactly a slew of centre backs he could play. Wanyama has only came on due to injury (at Ayr) or for very brief cameos and by all accounts was fine enough spraying the ball about. Having some legs beside him and getting him to some sort of place where he can run even a bit might mean he could do some kind of job next season. Playing him in a dead rubber end of season game seems fair enough.
In terms of McPake getting more goals out the team, we did have a few more options then than we do now, whether you rate them or not. Wighton, Mebude, T. Sutherland and McCann all unavailable now when they were able to play in the first half of the season. Of course a team with those options is going to score more than a team with Kane and Yeboah as the only strike options (and with Todd, Ritchie-Hosler, Cooper etc available to both) but it`s not as if we were banging them in for fun, was it?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 3 May 17:31
I get that McPake didn’t do great, but blaming it all on German and Cook`s financial decisions feels like a bit of a cop-out. Yeah, the squad was made up of players out there depth, but he signed most of them. A decent player should still be working hard, and show a bit of fight, all of which we failed to do all season that`s all on the character of most of these players.
As for Tidser he inherited a squad low on confidence and quality especially up front. Maybe calling the players out wasn’t ideal, but sometimes honesty is needed . He was clearly frustrated as we were after the display against Hamilton that midweek. The bigger issue is that the team lacked leaders on the pitch. A few just disappeared when things got tough although Tidser playing possession based football on that pitch and not changing it was baffling.
This season, the whole setup from the boardroom to the dressing room was a mess. Now the new investors are in and seem to want to back Lennon hopefully the right decisions in recruitment can give us a chance.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sat 03 May 17:41)
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sat 3 May 19:11
The season was a car crash before it started, McPake was unable to sign anyone, and by the time he could, it was too late and we were left with players on the whole that no one else wanted.
He never recovered from last season`s injury crisis I believe, and he has been open in admitting his poor recruitment did for him, fair play.
Tidser might have worked pre season, but to bring in a rookie manager in a relegation fight playing `the right way` was an obvious mistake quickly corrected - I wish him all the best, and hope his career is not tarnished.
Lennon has been great, I would obviously love him to stay, he could only work with what he has, and he has done that.
Playing Chalmers and Wanyama was correct in a dead rubber, because he really needed to have a look at them, again Chalmers is a player I liked, but his pace is probably suitable for league 1 now it seems.
Absolutely he was correct in playing Cooper, we haven`t seen enough of him, and possibly can sign for another year.
Otherwise, Lennon will know what we need to at least be comfortable next season, I`m not expecting miracles here, there`s a hell of a turnover of players needed, some signings won`t work out, some will
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 3 May 19:25
I`ve always thought that the defining event of the season was the restriction of the playing budget available to James McPake in the summer transfer window although I`ve never been clear when exactly this was communicated to him. I remember when it was announced that no contract offer would be made to Paul Allan, J McP said this was for financial reasons although he did not specify what restrictions applied. I think Kane, Wotherspoon and Ngwenya were all signed early, before training started, but there was a bit of a lull thereafter, including all the fuss about not having a back-up goalie.
It wasn`t until mid-August when the German owners announced they were looking to sell their shares that they acknowledged that additional funds would be made available to JMcP to invest in the playing squad. I`m not sure the fans knew at this time there had been a `freeze`. There weren`t too many outstanding out-of-contract players available by then and we signed Clay, Cooper and Mebude who had all been at the club for some time before signing. We also resolved the goalie situation by signing Tobi on loan but the delay there may have been more down to Celtic than us.
I don`t think we ever recovered from that and the knock-on events have been described above. The moral of the tale must be `Get your summer transfer business done ASAP!` Apologies if I`ve misremembered anything.
Post Edited (Sat 03 May 19:27)
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 4 May 01:26
To be fair, I don`t think he does defend the folk you constantly schit on.
He just constantly gets piszed at you constantly schitting on them.
I hope you are stocking up on Dioralyte ready for next season
I’ll only need dioralyte if the same duds are still in the team next season and we’re expecting to improve.. The overall consensus is pretty much all of them won’t be which in some proves a point. I’m looking forward to next season, not all lenny’s signings will hit the ground running but at least we won’t be arguing about players that have done nothing for years.
Would quite like cooper to stay, he seems a decent impact sub and was out 2nd top scorer despite Barry getting on the park.
I would argue it wasn’t so much mcpakes poor recruitment that done him, he recruited well for league 1, it was retaining players.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sun 4 May 07:37
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 3 May 19:25
I`ve always thought that the defining event of the season was the restriction of the playing budget available to James McPake in the summer transfer window although I`ve never been clear when exactly this was communicated to him. I remember when it was announced that no contract offer would be made to Paul Allan, J McP said this was for financial reasons although he did not specify what restrictions applied. I think Kane, Wotherspoon and Ngwenya were all signed early, before training started, but there was a bit of a lull thereafter, including all the fuss about not having a back-up goalie.
It wasn`t until mid-August when the German owners announced they were looking to sell their shares that they acknowledged that additional funds would be made available to JMcP to invest in the playing squad. I`m not sure the fans knew at this time there had been a `freeze`. There weren`t too many outstanding out-of-contract players available by then and we signed Clay, Cooper and Mebude who had all been at the club for some time before signing. We also resolved the goalie situation by signing Tobi on loan but the delay there may have been more down to Celtic than us.
I don`t think we ever recovered from that and the knock-on events have been described above. The moral of the tale must be `Get your summer transfer business done ASAP!` Apologies if I`ve misremembered anything.
Don`t forget McPake already had Breen, Fisher, Mehmet, Chalmers, Wighton, O Halloran offered new deals previously or signed after League one campaign when they`re not good enough which affected his player budget.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 08:00
Since mcpake left he hasn’t stopped moaning about the transfer situation at the club. What he never brings up is he was the one dishing out 2 and 3 year deals, which was a big shift from how the club used to operate. Before that we rarely saw deals that long handed out. He put faith in those players, and they weren`t good enough. A bunch were punted out on loan to League 1 and the rest have just about scraped us to safety again. That’s not progression and if the club wants to challenge for top 4 we need better than the players mcpake signed.
I rate Chris Kane when he’s fit, he gives us something different up top. Strong, holds the ball up well, links play nicely, and he’s our only goal threat. You can see the team plays better with him in the team. But let’s be honest, him missing a big chunk of the season is a real concern. We can`t keep banking on a striker who struggles to stay fit for a full campaign. We need someone reliable to lead the line week in, week out not just hoping we see his name when the team is announced.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 09:43
In his first two seasons McPake achieved what was required of him - promotion from League 1 followed by survival in the Championship despite some serious long-term injuries.
Of course, as is common on here, these achievements are rewritten with the benefit of hindsight. We may have gone through League 1 with only one defeat but the football was dull and predictable and the `injury crisis` was exaggerated and a normal part of football which should have been planned for. He was criticised for offering 2- and 3-year contracts when the club had been criticised in the past for only offering shorter deals which hindered long-term planning. Fans will always disagree about the assessment of players but they don`t face the consequences if they get things wrong.
I think he deserved a fair crack of the whip at the season just past and the decisions of the German owners prevented him from getting that.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 4 May 10:01
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 4 May 08:00
Since mcpake left he hasn’t stopped moaning about the transfer situation at the club. What he never brings up is he was the one dishing out 2 and 3 year deals, which was a big shift from how the club used to operate. Before that we rarely saw deals that long handed out. He put faith in those players, and they weren`t good enough. A bunch were punted out on loan to League 1 and the rest have just about scraped us to safety again. That’s not progression and if the club wants to challenge for top 4 we need better than the players mcpake signed.
I rate Chris Kane when he’s fit, he gives us something different up top. Strong, holds the ball up well, links play nicely, and he’s our only goal threat. You can see the team plays better with him in the team. But let’s be honest, him missing a big chunk of the season is a real concern. We can`t keep banking on a striker who struggles to stay fit for a full campaign. We need someone reliable to lead the line week in, week out not just hoping we see his name when the team is announced.
I`ve not seen McPake mention us or give any interviews Cammy? You got a link to anything?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 4 May 10:02
Some fair, contrasting points, wee eck.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 10:07
Delivered? Bare minimum maybe.League 1 should’ve been a canter with the budget and squad we had it wasn’t some miracle job. We had players we were told were good enough for the championship the previous season. And we are finding out to he hard way they are league 1 standard at best.
Every manager has to deal with injuries over the course of a season we just didn`t have the strength and depth to cope. Planning means building a squad with proper depth and not relying on the same 12 or so players or so and mcpake made too many wrong choiced when it came to recruitment and we are still paying the price for it now. It`s easy to say he wasn`t given the cash but I wouldn`t trust him with loose change. Maybe the BOD felt the same.
Long deals are fine if the recruitment is solid. Giving 2 and 3 years to average players ties your hands further down the line if you get promoted Especially when you’re on a tight budget. Continuity only helps if it’s with the right players. If not you`re stuck paying off mistakes and we have seen this at player and management level.
McPake did okay, but let’s not dress up surviving by a few points and playing turgid football as something special. He kept the ship afloat but maybe someone else could’ve actually started steering it somewhere unfortunately Tidser was the wrong choice.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 10:08
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Sun 4 May 10:01
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 4 May 08:00
Since mcpake left he hasn’t stopped moaning about the transfer situation at the club. What he never brings up is he was the one dishing out 2 and 3 year deals, which was a big shift from how the club used to operate. Before that we rarely saw deals that long handed out. He put faith in those players, and they weren`t good enough. A bunch were punted out on loan to League 1 and the rest have just about scraped us to safety again. That’s not progression and if the club wants to challenge for top 4 we need better than the players mcpake signed.
I rate Chris Kane when he’s fit, he gives us something different up top. Strong, holds the ball up well, links play nicely, and he’s our only goal threat. You can see the team plays better with him in the team. But let’s be honest, him missing a big chunk of the season is a real concern. We can`t keep banking on a striker who struggles to stay fit for a full campaign. We need someone reliable to lead the line week in, week out not just hoping we see his name when the team is announced.
I`ve not seen McPake mention us or give any interviews Cammy? You got a link to anything?
On PLZ he mentioned it about a month or so ago. Not sure how to get the links but it`s usually clipped up and put on Facebook.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 4 May 10:18
I think a massive issue over the last couple of years has been lack of flexibility. McPake signed some guys who normally wouldn`t be signed as he was desperate. Some of the guys landed long contracts probably in return for lower wage offers. We could`ve been flying after winning League 1 and built on the community spirit that had been raised. Instead we cheaped out and it was obvious. That`s not all the boards fault or McPake`s fault but hopefully the new owners can back Lennon or whoever is managing us going forward.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 10:35
Cammypar`s post at 10:07 just proves my point about achievements being rewritten with the benefit of hindsight!
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sun 4 May 10:39
It wasn`t hindsight regarding McPake, by the end of his tenure it was his squad and the players he chose to keep that were continuing to play terrible football.
Everyone at the time was overjoyed he got us back up from League 1 instantly at the expense of Falkirk (who were the favourites that season) and few particularly cared about the style of play being adopted. He was correctly commended by the fanbase especially after what we saw under Grant/Hughes.
The first season back up was a continuation of unimaginative football, the injury crisis is well documented and I think McPake was mostly excused for consolidating our championship status.
Going into this season, fans wanted a progression in both investment in the first team and in the product on offer for entertainment. Thanks to GmbH it was disastrous planning from the get go in terms of the investment to improve the first team, however I`m not letting McPake off the hook for some absolutely insipid performances from players he had kept, throughout preseason, the league cup campaign and the league itself.
Post Edited (Sun 04 May 10:41)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 4 May 11:27
Re the injury crisis that season, am I correct in thinking a number of the injuries occurred during training ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 12:39
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 4 May 11:27
Re the injury crisis that season, am I correct in thinking a number of the injuries occurred during training ?
Lennon mentioned muscle injuries cropping up in the latter stages of the season – but I’m not buying the hindsight chat, wee Eck.A lot of fans, myself included, gave McPake a bit of leeway. He got us back up, fair enough even though the football was far from pretty. But where it really went wrong for me was what came after. Most of us expected a bit of a clear-out, some fresh thinking. Instead, he handed out new deals to the same guys who got us relegated from the Championship the last time.
It’s the classic definition of madness doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. Sadly, McPake couldn’t see the wood for the trees when it came to evaluating who could genuinely handle the step up in class. Some of these players just aren’t cut out for it, and it’s plain to see and almost cost us again.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 13:08
No one expected us to stroll League 1 playing cavalier football after our previous experience down there and the fact that Falkirk had spent three seasons there. Everyone would have settled for promotion but now it`s considered as if it was inevitable we would have gone up and should have entertained the fans more.
McPake wasn`t around when we were relegated so players` form then was irrelevant to him. If McPake had a squad of League 1 players as claimed we would have been stranded at the bottom with Arbroath. And who knows how the first season back in the Championship would have panned out if we`d had normal luck with injuries?
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Topic Originator: 7 Eleven
Date: Sun 4 May 13:24
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 2 May 11:10
Surely the January transfer window will have alerted the owners to the risk of putting too much reliance on data analysis? I`d be surprised if NL hadn`t made that point to them already.
Were the January signings made based on AI? Has this been publicly stated anywhere & if so, by whom?
Based on the lack of professional minutes played I’d be amazed if that was the case.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Sun 4 May 13:25
Hypothetical, but I sometimes wonder if McPake could have kept us up if he`d been given the same backing the new owners gave Tidser. I feel a bit of sympathy for McPake, to be honest.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 13:26
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 May 13:08
No one expected us to stroll League 1 playing cavalier football after our previous experience down there and the fact that Falkirk had spent three seasons there. Everyone would have settled for promotion but now it`s considered as if it was inevitable we would have gone up and should have entertained the fans more.
McPake wasn`t around when we were relegated so players` form then was irrelevant to him. If McPake had a squad of League 1 players as claimed we would have been stranded at the bottom with Arbroath. And who knows how the first season back in the Championship would have panned out if we`d had normal luck with injuries?
It’s all buts and maybes when we talk about how things might have gone if we didn’t have those injuries. Reality is, McPake lost his job and left the other three managers with zero pace and absolutely no cutting edge up top. That’s where our issue is,no goals, no threat, nothing. Our recruitment was shocking under mcpake and reeked of desperation under Tidser. Now we’re sitting here the lowest scoring team in the top 4 Scottish leagues. Things got slightly better when we binned the terrible mcpake and Tidser style of play and went back to basics.
I reckon Lennon will stay on and be given the chance to put his stamp on the team. I expect a big clearout with plenty of dead wood to shift and I think he`ll bring in players who fit his style and can actually take us forward. It won’t happen overnight, but with the right backing, we could finally start heading in the right direction.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 4 May 13:31
Mcpake hamstrung himself by handing out long term deals to players who’d won league one. Most of these had already proved they were of limited use in the championship in the grant/hughes relegation season.
To mcpakes credit I think he realised the mistake by the end of last season and wanted an upgrade on a few of these players for the start of this season (he had a shortlist of 8 players and got none of them) but the Germans had cut the funding by then. Three or 4 key players at the start of this season could have made the world of difference.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sun 4 May 13:46
The form at the tail end of last season wasn`t much better with a full squad. I thought we only won 1 of our last 6 matches? Even when we were depleted we should have been competing better at times imo. I remember the Queens Park away game being a particular low when things were going against us and Fenton was brought on. McPake looked like he was throwing the towel in at that point. I just had a look at our team that day
Mehmet
Comrie
Edwards
Benjamin
Otoo
Chalmers
Hamilton
Allan
Summers
O`Halloran
McCann
Subs
Moffat
Holmes
Sutherland J
Sutherland T
Young
Little
Fenton
That was about the peak of our injury crisis and whilst not the strongest team it was still one capable of better? This season I did feel it was more out of McPake`s hands. The owners were obviously looking for a way out. The disappointing thing was McPake had talked about a big summer. Once he realised the situation his heart wasn`t in it in the same manner imo.
Post Edited (Sun 04 May 13:47)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 14:11
Yeah, we only won 1 of our last 6 games but didn`t we also just lose 1 of them? In fact if you extended the sequence to our last 8 games we won 3 in a row against DU at home and Morton and Arbroath away.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sun 4 May 14:35
McPake knew the squad wasn`t good enough as he talked about a big summer, even the owners admitted as much albeit a few months too late. Of all the players who were injured last season it`s not as if the majority have set the heather alight this season?
McPake did get to bring in Wotherspoon, Mebude, Clay and Cooper this season and they were all on the bench at best within weeks. The other 2 he brought in were Kane and Ngwenya.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 15:04
But wasn`t the problem that, by the time the purse strings were loosened, his preferred targets had gone elsewhere?
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Sun 4 May 15:44
He certainly wasn`t helped as I said initially.
It was the likes of Mehmet, Wighton,Fisher and O`Halloran that he signed previously and who never performed for him that didn`t help him.Even KRH has been disappointing for me this season, 0 goals and 2 assists is a poor return.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 15:58
7th instead of 6th and 10 points and 15 goals worse off than last season…
The squad just hasn’t been good enough, and the whole attempt by McPake and Tidser to get us playing this possession based,build from the back style was a complete failure. Not a single player has improved under it. Trying to play tiki-taka on a ploughed field with this squad it was never going to work.
Credit to Lennon for coming in and getting us back to basics. He clearly saw what wasn’t working and binned it quickly. Switched us to a back 5 and to be fair, it stopped the soft goals we were leaking. Problem is, going forward we’re still absolutely toothless. That system just highlighted how little threat we carry in the final third.
It’ll be interesting to see if Lennon sticks with the back 5 going forward or if it was just damage limitation. Either way, we desperately need someone who can deliver a decent set-piece. Todd, KRH, Chalmers , each of them’s had a go and all been dreadful. It’s a basic requirement and when we lost Paul Allan, who again was probably league 1 standard but could at least give us a chance at set pieces. Lennon seems to rate the importance of set pieces and will likely bring someone in to help us in this area wether it be a coach or a player.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sun 04 May 15:59)
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sun 4 May 16:23
McPake was shocking, Yes he brought in youngsters which is what the board at the time wanted but completely failed in getting a mix of experience to help the youngsters along! Bene did his best at the back of the park but when he wasn’t playing the team just fell to bits even more than they had before!
Tidser was a bizarre car crash that everyone except the board saw happening- he had a couple of weeks to bring players in but didn’t sort the areas where we desperately needed to sort (strikers and experienced players) then decided to play the worst tippy tappy rubbish you’ve ever seen!
Lennon came in and saw how bad we were in his first game in charge and the change from the next game was huge, we played fast free flowing football with an air of confidence and positivity (unfortunately we still had nobody to finish and that cost us more than anything). He brought in Wanyama, although completely unfit, when you did see him on the park he was marshalling the players into the right positions and helping them along, I’d think that his help on the training ground would have been invaluable and giving the youngsters a chance to learn off someone who’s been there and done it, would have helped massively.
Now it’s time for a major rebuild and if the rumours are true he’ll have a large budget to do it! If that’s the case this off season will be very interesting indeed and I’m sure the feel good factor could be back at EEP for the first time since the Calderwood era, bringing more fans back out to support the mighty DA.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Mon 5 May 00:53
Although tidser made a total balls up of it the only player signed in Jan who he had a say in was Stevens, the rest just appeared and as we know the other 7 of them were pretty dire including Stevens.
I don’t think Lennon got any more out of the players than mcpake would have got this season. Lennon just gets the benefit of following tidser.
In saying that I would much rather go into this summer with Lennon in charge than mcpake. Twice mcpake had the benefit of taking over a newly relegated team and got them back up there was no evidence to suggest he could take us further than mid table.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 5 May 03:02
Quote:
Berkey, Mon 5 May 00:53
Although tidser made a total balls up of it the only player signed in Jan who he had a say in was Stevens, the rest just appeared and as we know the other 7 of them were pretty dire including Stevens.
I don’t think Lennon got any more out of the players than mcpake would have got this season. Lennon just gets the benefit of following tidser.
In saying that I would much rather go into this summer with Lennon in charge than mcpake. Twice mcpake had the benefit of taking over a newly relegated team and got them back up there was no evidence to suggest he could take us further than mid table.
No, you are wrong. By the time Lennon got them they were much more lacking in confidence.
He picked them up enough to get them over the line.
Not many available managers could have done that.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Mon 5 May 10:06
Here is the breakdown of the league season.
McPake P18 W4 D3 L11 F14 A22 PTS 15
Lanza P3 W1 D1 L1 F7 A6 PTS 4
Tidser P8 W2 D2 L4 F5 A9 PTS 8
Lennon P7 W2 D2 L3 F2 A6 PTS 8
Some pretty grim reading. We scored 25% of our goals in John McLaughlan`s 3 matches.
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Mon 5 May 10:35
Quote:
parathletic, Mon 5 May 10:06
Here is the breakdown of the league season.
McPake P18 W4 D3 L11 F14 A22 PTS 15
Lanza P3 W1 D1 L1 F7 A6 PTS 4
Tidser P8 W2 D2 L4 F5 A9 PTS 8
Lennon P7 W2 D2 L3 F2 A6 PTS 8
Some pretty grim reading. We scored 25% of our goals in John McLaughlan`s 3 matches.
On seeing that you’d clearly fail to see why our naive members of our fanbase see Lennon as the messiah. Just because he’s been at Celtic I’d presume.
Record virtually the same as Tidsers
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 5 May 10:57
Maybe because he didn`t have the opportunity to operate in a transfer window and had to make the best of the players he inherited, although it seems Tidser didn`t have much say in recruitment when he was appointed.
Were fans really expecting Lennon to transform the squad and the style of play in the space of 7 games given the restrictions he was operating under?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 5 May 10:58
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Hunter78, Mon 5 May 10:35
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parathletic, Mon 5 May 10:06
Here is the breakdown of the league season.
McPake P18 W4 D3 L11 F14 A22 PTS 15
Lanza P3 W1 D1 L1 F7 A6 PTS 4
Tidser P8 W2 D2 L4 F5 A9 PTS 8
Lennon P7 W2 D2 L3 F2 A6 PTS 8
Some pretty grim reading. We scored 25% of our goals in John McLaughlan`s 3 matches.
On seeing that you’d clearly fail to see why our naive members of our fanbase see Lennon as the messiah. Just because he’s been at Celtic I’d presume.
Record virtually the same as Tidsers
Yeah. Why don`t you save time and just start the, "Lennon must go" thread now, before it`s too late?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 5 May 11:11
You could put the best manager in the world in and that team would still be guff. The difference I see with Lennon is the confidence he can instill in players and the connections he has. He`s a very well spoken guy. It`s refreshing not to hear the same old clichés.
Saying that, if he stays and we have a bad start, I`ll have that Lennon must go thread up quicker than you can say "Dunfermline - 0".
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Mon 5 May 14:30
Absolutely convinced with Tidser staying we would be in the relegation play-off and heading down. McPake may have kept us up with this squad, but not convinced. Either way, he should`ve been fired 2 or 3 months before he actually was, and we really had to get away from his style of football.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Mon 5 May 14:36
As I said before, you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Neither could lennon, but with his man management improvements, he got the best possible and we survived.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Mon 5 May 15:40
Let`s not the forget the pitch. Lennon got the worst of it. He also inherited the worst of the players nerves. 7 games to go and desperately needing points, he got them. Maybe through a lot of goalless draws but he got them.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 5 May 15:46
Incredible really; we scored 2 goals and picked up 8 points!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 5 May 16:14
You can`t judge NL`s tenure until he has had two seasons. Management is so much more than setting a team up on a Saturday. He has already said there is alot of work to do behind the scenes with the club structure, recruitment and scouting. He`s the first one to say that. Until you recognise the issues, you can`t address them getting the right purposeful systems in place will take a little time.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Mon 5 May 16:58
The big issue i think will be the way the club wants to go down the analytics route, and how Lennon feels about that.
If he`s willing to embrace it then all well and good. It`ll be something he`s probably never done to a great extent before.
We`ll just have to wait and see. Personally I want him to give us a proper go.
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Topic Originator: camdeanboy85
Date: Tue 6 May 08:41
Neil is our man. Hopefully he`s announced soon and we can get the rebuild underway.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 6 May 08:50
He seems to have attracted some new posters to the Forum!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 6 May 10:47
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wee eck, Tue 6 May 08:50
He seems to have attracted some new posters to the Forum!
They`ll be Sellick fans who are bored watching their team every week, so they`ve decided to follow Lennon to EEP and enjoy the roller coaster of watching the Pars. 😁
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: camdeanboy85
Date: Tue 6 May 11:03
New poster.
Pars fan of 27 years and go to most games.
Love the Sellick though.
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