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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Tue 3 Jun 14:38
Presser with NL today, PLZ have it on their YouTube channel. Interesting to note he is asked at the end about out of contract t players. He only mentions Oakley Boothe and Cooper, no mention of McCann.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8prIXUTSuo
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 3 Jun 14:57
Maybe he hasn`t spoken to McCann as he`ll still be recovering from surgery. nice things to say about Oakley-Booth and Cooper though. It seems Data Analysis isn`t the be-all and end-all and just an indicator. It sounds as if Gilmour was identified by it but NL went to see him play before deciding to try and sign him.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Tue 3 Jun 15:31
Reading between the lines it sounds as though JCM, Cooper and OB are signed up already
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Tue 3 Jun 15:38
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 3 Jun 14:57
Maybe he hasn`t spoken to McCann as he`ll still be recovering from surgery. nice things to say about Oakley-Booth and Cooper though. It seems Data Analysis isn`t the be-all and end-all and just an indicator. It sounds as if Gilmour was identified by it but NL went to see him play before deciding to try and sign him.
People who have looked into the analytics and educated themselves know that this is how it works, unfortunately, it doesn`t always suit people`s narratives.....
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 3 Jun 15:53
We might be offering him facilities to recover from his injury.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Tue 3 Jun 16:21
No mention of Wanyama either. Going by what we saw of him I don`t think it`s a great loss. I`d rather have Roger Milla š.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 3 Jun 16:51
I thought the same PARadise.
Sounded as thought they 3 were already signed up.
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Topic Originator: AveragePar
Date: Tue 3 Jun 16:53
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Tue 3 Jun 15:53
We might be offering him facilities to recover from his injury.
Iād imagine heāll be given a new one purely because very few teams will sign a fresh from injury player
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Tue 3 Jun 16:58
Lewis McCann has also undergone surgery following his recent injury, and the club will provide facilities for his rehabilitation and will remain in dialogue with Lewis.
nazpar
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 3 Jun 17:15
Honestly not fused about OB or Cooper, Maybe 1 year deals for both. As for McCann he has had his day. We must add experience and quality if we are to progress.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Tue 3 Jun 17:35
Just listend to his interview. He clearly rates Oakley-Booth. He does say he needs to produce it more though.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:03
Oakley Boothe is a player from what Iāve seen of him.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:05
Oakley-Boothe with a full pre season behind him would probably be a good player for us.
No mention of Wanyama but perhaps he may be the new addition to the coaching set up?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:12
If Oakley booth could rediscover his hunger and enthusiasm for the game he could be really good at this level. Risky signing seeing as heās generally only got a good 10 minutes when he starts before he disappears and stops showing for it.
Cooper worth a spot on the bench and McCann I donāt expect to stay.
If we keep all 3 Iād be surprised as it doesnāt leave many slots for these better players we all agree we need.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:16
We need to forget about McCann. He is
simply not good enough. He`s had his
chances. If we are going for promotion,
then we need a better striker than McCann.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:22
Agree about McCann, as a club weāve given him ample opportunities.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:25
If any of these guys has signed why not announce at least one of them today to keep the momentum going? I was expecting the usual 6 pm announcement.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:30
Clear at the end on hammy - " He will be needed as the season goes on".
ie Squad player and "someone who loves the club which is important that you have these types of players and allied to that he is a decent player too"
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:32
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 3 Jun 18:25
If any of these guys has signed why not announce at least one of them today to keep the momentum going? I was expecting the usual 6 pm announcement.
I agree I was expecting something else today but not sure why š I think with a full pre season that OB and Wanyama could be huge assets for us.
Agree that McCanns time is up though, which is a shame for him being a home grown player, but its just not working for him for us in front of goal.
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:39
Oakley Boothe must be really good in training. Iām hoping that with better players around him and more options in front his performances improve. I felt that most games passed him by last season. Heās played at a decent level though so must be a player in there.
Looking like Oakley Boothe and Gilmour in the middle then? (If OB re-signs of course).
Post Edited (Tue 03 Jun 18:39)
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:54
I have a sneaking suspicion that Mullen will be announced next, hopefully on a 3 year dealš¤
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Tue 3 Jun 18:56
I watched OB a lot when he played. He has a football brain. He would regularly look for a forward pass, but there was little movement. He can pass a ball, so with more movement upfront, he will be much more effective
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Tue 3 Jun 19:08
What do we think we are we still looking for player wise then ?
If we`re to mount a "serious challenge" and OB, JCM, Cooper, Wanyama sign I`d be looking for the following:
Starting GK, CB, RB, Attacking midfielder and striker
x1 LB
x3 wingers
I think defensively and midfield wise we`re not far away but attack needs major surgery and widthš¤
I`m really hoping we can shift some of the ones still under contract to make space for that kind of squad turnover. Wishful thinking? Definitely
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 3 Jun 19:22
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Tue 3 Jun 18:05
No mention of Wanyama but perhaps he may be the new addition to the coaching set up?
That wouldnāt be a huge surprise. Heās obviously doing his badges just now and appears to be away/has been away, with the N.Ireland squad, so why not?
May have been a flippant comment, it may not have been, however NL mentioned something about āsigning 10 playersā when he was speaking to PLZ about the rebuild needed.
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Topic Originator: The-Pars
Date: Tue 3 Jun 19:46
When does pre season start?
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Topic Originator: Hay Fever
Date: Tue 3 Jun 19:49
By accounts playing East Kilbride in a friendly at there place on 28 June, so presume at least 10 days before that
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Tue 3 Jun 19:54
if the remaining 5 all re-sign then a keeper, a left sided centre half, some kind of left wing back option and a forward takes it up to 24 players.
if there is to be a "serious challenge", we need plenty of signings who are guaranteed starters, got enough "squad players" without adding more including re-signings.
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Tue 3 Jun 20:04
Quote:
Hay Fever, Tue 3 Jun 19:49
By accounts playing East Kilbride in a friendly at there place on 28 June, so presume at least 10 days before that
The players return for testing on Friday 13th June and as pre-season approaches, Lennon is acutely aware of the importance of proper preparation. āItās really important that we have a really strong pre-season in that aspect as well. Get them really ready for whatās going to be a very attritional season again.ā
nazpar
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 3 Jun 20:19
All depends on how he sets up, but think we still need starters for the following:
GK
RB/RWB
CB
LB/LWB
AM
RW
LW
St
One for each position as a starter, and then use the current crop as other starters/cover players based in formation.
It seems a lot, but we have needed a full rebuild for the last year and a half, and if we want to get up it needs done this window.
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Tue 3 Jun 20:36
In the interview he also says he hopes to have a couple over the line in the next few days.
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Topic Originator: dpard
Date: Tue 3 Jun 21:19
If Boothe, Mullen and Cooper all re-sign that becomes a squad of 19.
Mehmet
Sam Young
Bene
Fisher
Ngwenya
Otoo
Hamilton
Tod
Todd
Krh
Kane
Sutherland
Connor Young
Mebude
Bray
Gilmour.
Wouldn`t imagine too many more coming in, unless we can move on a couple off that list.
I`d think we`d be looking at a squad of 22/23 tops.
The flame still burns
Post Edited (Tue 03 Jun 21:19)
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Tue 3 Jun 21:29
Mebude won`t be here.
I`m a shade concerned if indeed Cooper and OB sign again but I guess there`s a reason I`m not in football management.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Tue 3 Jun 21:44
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Tue 3 Jun 21:29
Mebude won`t be here.
I`m a shade concerned if indeed Cooper and OB sign again but I guess there`s a reason I`m not in football management.
I don`t think Mebude has been in the squad in Sofia. He is still under contract so would have thought he would be back in tge squad for training. I suppose it depends if he wants it.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 3 Jun 21:55
According to Transfer Market Mebudes contract ended on May 31st - which makes sense as thats when āa years contractā would normally mean - signed till end of season.
Could move on 2-3 off that list (loans included) and still may release Bene and Fisher depending on court hearing.
Nothing wrong with a squad of 25 if we can get good crowds in to supplement it.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 3 Jun 22:22
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 3 Jun 21:55
Nothing wrong with a squad of 25 if we can get good crowds in to supplement it.
Speaking from experience, I think 25 is the ideal squad size. It works well for training sessions and gives you plenty of options. Match days can be a bit of a headache if everyoneās fit, but that kind of competition for places is only a good thing if the standard is high across the board. Donāt forget, you can also include young players who are ready to step upāor close to itāwithin that 25. After the Morton game, Iād definitely like to see more of Tod so would hope he is in amongst it again.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 3 Jun 22:28
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Tue 3 Jun 22:22
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 3 Jun 21:55
Nothing wrong with a squad of 25 if we can get good crowds in to supplement it.
Speaking from experience, I think 25 is the ideal squad size. It works well for training sessions and gives you plenty of options. Match days can be a bit of a headache if everyoneās fit, but that kind of competition for places is only a good thing if the standard is high across the board. Donāt forget, you can also include young players who are ready to step upāor close to itāwithin that 25. After the Morton game, Iād definitely like to see more of Tod so would hope he is in amongst it again.
This gave me a giggle - "speaking from experience"...aye, right, Pep, haha
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 3 Jun 22:48
Quote:
red-star-par, Tue 3 Jun 22:28
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Tue 3 Jun 22:22
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 3 Jun 21:55
Nothing wrong with a squad of 25 if we can get good crowds in to supplement it.
Speaking from experience, I think 25 is the ideal squad size. It works well for training sessions and gives you plenty of options. Match days can be a bit of a headache if everyoneās fit, but that kind of competition for places is only a good thing if the standard is high across the board. Donāt forget, you can also include young players who are ready to step upāor close to itāwithin that 25. After the Morton game, Iād definitely like to see more of Tod so would hope he is in amongst it again.
This gave me a giggle - "speaking from experience"...aye, right, Pep, haha
You donāt have to be at that level to have experience of working or being employed in football
Post Edited (Tue 03 Jun 22:51)
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 3 Jun 22:50
James Bord has also given an interview and he outlined a two-year plan for promotion, acknowledging that it may take longer. However, heās content as long as thereās clear progress, as consistent improvement typically leads to promotion. He also emphasised that the clubās main focus will be on developing players.
James Bord in Courier
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 3 Jun 22:57
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Tue 3 Jun 22:48
Quote:
red-star-par, Tue 3 Jun 22:28
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Tue 3 Jun 22:22
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 3 Jun 21:55
Nothing wrong with a squad of 25 if we can get good crowds in to supplement it.
Speaking from experience, I think 25 is the ideal squad size. It works well for training sessions and gives you plenty of options. Match days can be a bit of a headache if everyoneās fit, but that kind of competition for places is only a good thing if the standard is high across the board. Donāt forget, you can also include young players who are ready to step upāor close to itāwithin that 25. After the Morton game, Iād definitely like to see more of Tod so would hope he is in amongst it again.
This gave me a giggle - "speaking from experience"...aye, right, Pep, haha
You donāt have to be at that level to have experience of working or being employed in football
Heehee
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Tue 3 Jun 23:27
Liked the Neil Lennon interview, the Courier one is just pulled from the NY Times/Athletic article, he didn`t speak to the Courier.
Looks promising, I would be happy enough top half of the table comfortably, there`s a lot of work to be done, and not every new signing will work, and the squad needs a massive overhaul which surely will take a few transfer windows -theres still a bit of dead wood in there.
Not expecting miracles, but I`m really looking forward now.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 4 Jun 00:08
I really enjoyed that interview.
JCM next then Brian Graham. I`ve a feeling in my watter......š
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Wed 4 Jun 06:48
When you look back to when Bert Paton took over from Jocky Scott. It took 3 season to get to the Premier League.
His first season started shakey in the first three games but the team started to click as the season progressed and new players came in. Some of his signings were hit and miss but we built each year, putting in challenges to Falkirk and Raith until we eventually went up in 1996.
Think this might be a similar situation.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Wed 4 Jun 08:12
Interesting he spoke of ārobustā players, not being injured a lot of the time. I wonder if thatās a wee hint at certain players
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Wed 4 Jun 08:15
If boothe, mullan and cooper sign and we then have a squad of around 18 then the weāll defo have enough squad players and the remainder coming in will have to be the ones which make all the difference thatās for sure!
We still have too many players who have taken us as far as they can.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 4 Jun 09:38
Quote:
Parfect69, Wed 4 Jun 08:12
Interesting he spoke of ārobustā players, not being injured a lot of the time. I wonder if thatās a wee hint at certain players
Absolutely.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 4 Jun 12:36
Iād offer cooper a year, I think there is a player in there and with a preseason he will come on. I probably wouldnāt offer McCann or OB anything. If we want to compete at the top of the table we really need to bring in better.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 4 Jun 13:51
Foggy definitely not returning by all accounts so another CH is pretty essential. I`d prefer too but accept that funds will no doubt hinder that possibility.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 4 Jun 14:19
Rumour i`ve heard is lewis mcann has rejected a new contract regardless of the use of facilities
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Wed 4 Jun 14:36
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 4 Jun 14:19
Rumour i`ve heard is lewis mcann has rejected a new contract regardless of the use of facilities
Good riddance then, wonāt be missed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 4 Jun 14:40
If he wants to pursue other options, good luck to him but `Good riddance`? That`s the kind of language that makes this forum a cesspit in my opinion. If you don`t rate a player, fair enough, but that`s uncalled for. I`m sure he tried his best.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Wed 4 Jun 14:48
Good luck to mccann if he thinks he can get better elsewhere, maybe itās a reduced wage for 1 year as he wonāt be considered a first 11 player anymore?
Itās a gamble, in 150 games thereās only a handful where heās looked like an effective championship level player. We donāt owe McCann anything, if anything heās been lucky that heās been backed by longer term contracts despite it not ever happening for him on the park.
Obv I donāt rate him and have seen more than enough of him over the years, it feels fitting for the new era to start with some of the symbols of our poor last few seasons moving on given quite a few of them will unfortunately be staying.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Wed 4 Jun 14:56
Not fussed about McCann leaving, 17 goals in 143 appearances says it all really.
We will bring better in.
All the best to him though.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 4 Jun 15:25
If he was offered a contract would see him more as an impact player from the bench, which if that was the case I think Iād be ok with it, he has his flurries but his consistency lacks.
Regardless of how itās come about, if the result is that McCann is leaving then I think thatās a good thing for both club and player, they arenāt getting the best out of each other.
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Wed 4 Jun 15:37
If Neil Lennon cannot sign all of his targets, I don`t think it would be a disaster to offer 1 year deals to Lewis McCann and Joe Chalmers. A lot of last season involved tippy-tappy football from the back that emphasized the weaknesses of players rather than their strengths. The injury-hit season before meant many changes that prevented the creation of a team that was a well-oiled machine.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 4 Jun 15:57
Nae need to slate the boy ffs.
Get a grip.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Wed 4 Jun 16:43
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 4 Jun 15:57
Nae need to slate the boy ffs.
Get a grip.
Exactly. I think the boy will do OK in the right team. Hope it`s not against us.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Jun 16:45
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 4 Jun 14:19
Rumour i`ve heard is lewis mcann has rejected a new contract regardless of the use of facilities
You`ve said that you`ve heard a rumour, Shelly, but several posters below you have interpreted it as fact. How does that work?
Maybe an illustration of why we shouldn`t repeat rumours on here. š
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 4 Jun 16:50
From the Courier -
Neil Lennon remains convinced Victor Wanyama could be a āreal assetā for Dunfermline. And the Pars boss has refused to rule out a return to East End Park for the Kenya internationalist this summer.
The former Celtic and Spurs midfielder saw out last season with the Fifers, who subsequently reported he was one of the players with whom ādialogue remains ongoingā. With Charlie Gilmour having been recruited on a three-year deal, Chris Hamilton having penned a contract extension and Tashan Oakley-Boothe set to re-sign, Dunfermline appear well served in midfield. However, Lennon has left the door open for Wanyama ā who turns 34 later this month and shares a birthday with his ex-Celtic boss ā to stay on with the Championship hopefuls for next season.
āPossibly, yeah, possibly,ā said Lennon when asked whether Wanyama could sign again. āI donāt know yet. Once he got fit, he looked great and he played really well in the last game [against Morton]. If he had a good pre-season, he could be a real asset for us.ā
On the subject of McCann, if the rumour he has turned down our offer is true, is it not likely he has something else lined up when you consider he is recovering from surgery and is unlikely to be fit enough to start pre-season training? Starting the season without a club would be very risky.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Wed 4 Jun 16:52
Will be sad to see McCann go. I was hopeful he would come good and reach his peek at East End and start getting more goals. I thought maybe Lennon might have been the style of manager to get the most out of him. I suppose with Lewis picking up his injury and possibly being out for the start of next season has ultimately went against him. Weāve been blighted with injuries for the past few seasonās and we really need the squad to be fit for the majority of the season. Especially if we are aiming for the top half of the table. Lennon eluded to fitness and no room for players who struggle to stay fit.
All the best if McCann does leave, no doubt he will come back and haunt us at some point in the future.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 4 Jun 17:08
I like all other Pars fans were hopeful that we are going to sign another striker. If McCann does leave then maybe we will sign two more?
Kane has fitness issues, Young has still to score a goal for us and will hopefully prove to be an asset this season but is unproven at this level.
Sutherland? Did not really impress on his last loan spell. I think he needs to go out on loan again this year and if he wants to be involved with the Pars going forward he needs to score goals whilst out on loan first.
Need to bring in at least one preferably two proven goal scorers and they donāt grow on trees.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 4 Jun 17:30
If McCann moves on, I wish him well ā but I canāt say Iāll be sad about it. More than anything, itās just disappointing how things turned out. He was another one who showed real promise when he first broke through but never quite delivered.
If a fresh start helps him kick on, then fair play to him ā good luck to the guy.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 4 Jun 17:33
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 4 Jun 16:45
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 4 Jun 14:19
Rumour i`ve heard is lewis mcann has rejected a new contract regardless of the use of facilities
You`ve said that you`ve heard a rumour, Shelly, but several posters below you have interpreted it as fact. How does that work?
Maybe an illustration of why we shouldn`t repeat rumours on here. š
Tbh mate dont think its a rumour, unless the wee toad is lying, it is a fact as far as i am concerned, i mean his family member should know as hes printing the names on the kits š
COYP
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Wed 4 Jun 17:46
I had hoped he would push on last season and get a few goals, but it has to be viewed in terms of poor overall team performances. We certainly lacked creativity in the final third, but with Kane in and out of the team and rotation with other non proven forwards with no goal scoring ability, we certainly need change.
A change of club may be good for him. Maybe Livingston have approached him if Martindale rates him.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Wed 04 Jun 18:01)
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Wed 4 Jun 17:59
Iād be absolutely shocked if McCann got a move to a premiership club
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 4 Jun 18:03
I wouldn`t. Plenty players here have been deemed `not good enough` for us, then gone on to play at a higher level than the Pars for the majority of their careers.
Shaun Byrne
Ross Millen
Robbie Muirhead
Colin Nish
Miles Hippolyte
Ross Graham
I wouldn`t be surprised at all to see McCann go (and be successful) at a Prem club.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Wed 4 Jun 18:07
Martindale cannae be that daft
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 4 Jun 18:12
McCann maybe a bit scunnered with all the unwarranted abuse he got?
The last couple of seasons have been awful, all round, this is bound to have an impact on form etc, I kinda feel players get singled out when collectively the club has teetered on the brink of disaster.
I would have liked to see another year with Lennon coaching him, the general positivity around the club and hopefully an improved trajectory.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 4 Jun 18:21
I`m not convinced he got a lot of `abuse`. Many people, myself included, pointed out his lack of goals for a striker (fact) and questioned his decision making at times, but I don`t recall much abuse.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 4 Jun 18:27
`Good riddance` is quite abusive in my book but for some reason the norms of civility that would be accorded to most folk can be ignored when footballers are involved.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 4 Jun 18:36
Maybe McCann was played as an out and out striker for too long when he simply isnāt one.
He always seemed much more effective as a foil for the real out and out striker. Chris Kane.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 4 Jun 18:59
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 4 Jun 18:27
`Good riddance` is quite abusive in my book but for some reason the norms of civility that would be accorded to most folk can be ignored when footballers are involved.
People saying things like `good riddance` are very much in the minority as far as i can see.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 4 Jun 19:14
That hardly excuses them.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 4 Jun 19:15
Quote:
neilholland999, Wed 4 Jun 18:59
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 4 Jun 18:27
`Good riddance` is quite abusive in my book but for some reason the norms of civility that would be accorded to most folk can be ignored when footballers are involved.
People saying things like `good riddance` are very much in the minority as far as i can see.
Would you like to borrow my specs?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 4 Jun 19:23
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 4 Jun 18:36
Maybe McCann was played as an out and out striker for too long when he simply isnāt one.
He always seemed much more effective as a foil for the real out and out striker. Chris Kane.
The guy could`ve had 100 assists.....it still wouldn`t have been good enough for some on here. They get an idea in their heads and that`s it.
If he does move on, he goes with my best wishes. I honestly hope he comes back, scores against us and reveals a t-shirt saying "Football isn`t just about scoring goals....."
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Wed 04 Jun 19:24)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 4 Jun 19:47
Thereās every chance that he might end up at Livingston. If he does move on, Iād like to wish him all the best and I hope he goes on to have a good career.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Gareth Keenan Investigates
Date: Wed 4 Jun 19:51
Surely the point is though that he didnāt get 100 assists and got nowhere near enough goals so the question is fairly asked what exactly was he bringing to the team? He would be revealing a blank t shirt.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Wed 4 Jun 20:33
The irony of da no 1 saying even if he got 100 assists folk would say it wouldnāt have been good enough.
He has watched him play this last 2 season and is still convinced heāll make it.
Only one side of this arguement has the facts and the evidence the other has blind faith.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Wed 4 Jun 20:50
Remember Lennon, as a neutral at the time, doing the Aberdeen cup game commentary and he mentioned a couple of times that he got into good positions but decision making let him down.
Wish him well if he moves on. He`ll get a decent league two team (at least) down south no bother with his physical atrributes & style of of play and hopefully gets himself a good few quid to go with it.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Wed 4 Jun 20:54
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Wed 4 Jun 19:47
Thereās every chance that he might end up at Livingston. If he does move on, Iād like to wish him all the best and I hope he goes on to have a good career.
Would be very surprised based on what`s happened so far.
Really hope he has a good move somewhere, can see him at maybe Ayr or Partick
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Jun 20:59
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 4 Jun 17:33
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 4 Jun 16:45
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shellypar, Wed 4 Jun 14:19
Rumour i`ve heard is lewis mcann has rejected a new contract regardless of the use of facilities
You`ve said that you`ve heard a rumour, Shelly, but several posters below you have interpreted it as fact. How does that work?
Maybe an illustration of why we shouldn`t repeat rumours on here. š
Tbh mate dont think its a rumour, unless the wee toad is lying, it is a fact as far as i am concerned, i mean his family member should know as hes printing the names on the kits š
Ah, OK. Wee toads never lie so we can assume he`s got a better offer elsewhere. Probably a good thing for all concerned. He could well kick-start a career that has stalled at EEP. I wish him all the best.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 4 Jun 21:03
Quote:
Berkey, Wed 4 Jun 20:33
The irony of da no 1 saying even if he got 100 assists folk would say it wouldnāt have been good enough.
He has watched him play this last 2 season and is still convinced heāll make it.
Only one side of this arguement has the facts and the evidence the other has blind faith.
It`s more to do with someone finally shutting you up lad. You`re head would just pop off your shoulders.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 4 Jun 21:05
Quote:
Connor560, Wed 4 Jun 20:54
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Wed 4 Jun 19:47
Thereās every chance that he might end up at Livingston. If he does move on, Iād like to wish him all the best and I hope he goes on to have a good career.
Would be very surprised based on what`s happened so far.
Really hope he has a good move somewhere, can see him at maybe Ayr or Partick
I`ve thought for a while that he`d be a great fit at Partick, especially now if Brian Graham moves on.
Their new permanent manager could do a lot worse than get him in and tell him how great he is, how he`d be their `main striker` and that he`ll be fed by Aiden Fitzpatrick, Logan Chalmers, Steven Lawless, and Kyle Turner. He`d absolutely score goals there.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Wed 4 Jun 21:12
We simply need 2 or 3 forwards who won`t panic and can kick a ball properly.
Kane OK, but injury prone
young maybe ok but still to prove himself
Mcann no comment or it will start an anti mcann rant
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 4 Jun 21:44
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 4 Jun 19:23
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Wed 4 Jun 18:36
Maybe McCann was played as an out and out striker for too long when he simply isnāt one.
He always seemed much more effective as a foil for the real out and out striker. Chris Kane.
The guy could`ve had 100 assists.....it still wouldn`t have been good enough for some on here. They get an idea in their heads and that`s it.
If he does move on, he goes with my best wishes. I honestly hope he comes back, scores against us and reveals a t-shirt saying "Football isn`t just about scoring goals....."
I donāt want him to score against us but he would leave with my best wishes.
He gave šÆ in a team with the most negative set up for years under previous managers and in some eyes, looked like a headless chicken but in reality wasnāt given enough ammunition.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 4 Jun 22:04
Quote:
thebear, Wed 4 Jun 21:12
We simply need 2 or 3 forwards who won`t panic and can kick a ball properly.
Kane OK, but injury prone
young maybe ok but still to prove himself
Mcann no comment or it will start an anti mcann rant
Letās not forget ā there were journalist rumours about a striker coming in from Bulgaria š¤·š¼āāļø
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 5 Jun 07:06
I think if he had chipped in with 100 assists, there wouldnāt be much debate around him, but the reality is, he hasnāt. Yes, he puts in a shift more often than not, and you canāt fault the work rate. But unfortunately, hard work alone doesnāt always cut it at this level. Without that extra bit of quality, especially in the final third, you eventually get found out.
I genuinely think most fans were hoping heād kick on and have one of those purple patches all good strikers seem to hit at some point, push us up the table, and maybe even earn a move to a club looking for a goal scorer. But if weāre being honest, it never quite felt like that moment was coming.
If heās decided to move on (and I do think itās probably the right time for both sides), Iāve got no hard feelings. I wish him all the best wherever he ends up. Hopefully a fresh start helps him find that form once he comes back from injury.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Thu 5 Jun 08:29
"If he does move on, Iād like to wish him all the best and I hope he goes on to have a good career."
I`d second that Raymie.
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Thu 5 Jun 09:10
Quote:
Lambo1885, Thu 5 Jun 08:29
"If he does move on, Iād like to wish him all the best and I hope he goes on to have a good career."
I`d second that Raymie.
Couldnāt agree more. No faulting the lads effort and commitment, good luck to him.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Thu 5 Jun 09:41
Scott Burns reports that Josh Cooper has agreed a new contract with the Pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 5 Jun 09:50
Quote:
king lad, Thu 5 Jun 09:41
Scott Burns reports that Josh Cooper has agreed a new contract with the Pars
Confirmed.
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Topic Originator: parsmad123
Date: Thu 5 Jun 10:04
jake89 wrote:
> Quote:
king lad, Thu 5 Jun 09:41
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> Scott Burns reports that Josh Cooper has agreed a new contract
> with the Pars
>
> Confirmed.
Where?
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Thu 5 Jun 10:19
Daily Record
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Thu 5 Jun 10:37
Pretty sure Cooper`s deal was done weeks ago, with Hamiltons. The fact that Hamilton walked out onto a green pitch and not the Sahara desert is proof of how long ago that deal was signed.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Thu 5 Jun 10:47
Iām neither up nor down about the news. Heās a player who makes an impact ā albeit usually off the bench ā and always looks lively when he comes on, like he might make something happen.
What we really need is for him to start producing that kind of form from the start of games, and more consistently. If he can manage that, heās definitely an asset. Timeās on his side, and clearly NL sees something he can work with, so Iām looking forward to seeing what he can produce this season.
He seems like a good guy who puts in a real shift, so I genuinely hope it goes well for him.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Thu 5 Jun 10:55
He`s only 22, and this season was his first in mens full time football. I think he can play a big part going forward.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Thu 5 Jun 11:17
another "squad" player when there are already two players under contract in the same position.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Thu 5 Jun 11:29
It`s looking like quite a big squad we will be going with next season. Our squad was under sized under GMBH though.
I also think it`s going to be harder for academy players getting near the first team. Guys like Sam Young and Taylor Sutherland will have to go out on loan as they won`t be first team anymore.
Lennon still has these ``quality`` signings to make too.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 5 Jun 11:33
Aren`t most players `squad players` considering you can only start 11 and most teams name at least 7 subs of whom only up to 5 can play? You then need around another 6 to cover for injuries or other absences.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Thu 5 Jun 11:36
Lennon the other day....
"āWhen I look at the youth players that we have as well, theyāve done really well over the last couple of years, so we want to develop them and produce some of our home-grown players.ā
"Aren`t most players `squad players` considering you can only start 11"
and our starting 11 is not good enough and for the last few years has looked like it has needed at least another player in it, re-signing these players will not improve the starting 11 with what is already under contract and no matter who is signed which also is then limited because of the amount of players under contract.
Post Edited (Thu 05 Jun 12:05)
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Thu 5 Jun 11:47
Taylor Sutherland needs to go to league two and score goals down there before he gets in the Pars team. Connor Young was banging them in down there and I think Sutherland scored 1 for Clyde.
Sam young couldn`t get a regular game at Forfar. These guys need to show more in their loan spells if they want to make it here in the first team.
Still time to do that though.
Post Edited (Thu 05 Jun 11:48)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 5 Jun 11:50
NL`s also quoted today saying he`s not a big fan of the loan market-
āIām not really massively into loans. I want to sign players, I want them here. I donāt want them thinking about other things, I want them focused on being here. I think thatās the only way you can really be successful. Maybe there might be a couple of loans that come up that you go, yeah, he could make us better but in an ideal world, I wouldnāt go massive on the loan side of things.ā
Post Edited (Thu 05 Jun 11:51)
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 5 Jun 12:14
Cooper not the worst signing and guessing heās not costing a shed load in wages and can be good off the bench, but needs to bulk up a bit this summer.
Worry is at the moment it feels very much like last seasons squad and weāre hoping Lennon can squeeze some more out of them to get these guys going with a few experienced players to add quality. Itās risky unless your aim is mid table. Lennon hardly got them playing better football and scoring goals last season
Loyalty to existing players who had struggled at this level is ultimately what did for mcpake. Just hope Lennon doesnāt make the same mistakes.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Thu 5 Jun 12:43
I think will have between 8-10 new faces by the end of the window. That`s easily enough to turn things around if it`s the right quality.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 5 Jun 12:49
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Thu 5 Jun 11:47
Taylor Sutherland needs to go to league two and score goals down there before he gets in the Pars team. Connor Young was banging them in down there and I think Sutherland scored 1 for Clyde.
Sam young couldn`t get a regular game at Forfar. These guys need to show more in their loan spells if they want to make it here in the first team.
Still time to do that though.
True. From the other side, we`ve had our share of loan players who haven`t seemed up to much but have gone on to better things.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 5 Jun 14:59
Quote:
Berkey, Thu 5 Jun 12:14
Cooper not the worst signing and guessing heās not costing a shed load in wages and can be good off the bench, but needs to bulk up a bit this summer.
Worry is at the moment it feels very much like last seasons squad and weāre hoping Lennon can squeeze some more out of them to get these guys going with a few experienced players to add quality. Itās risky unless your aim is mid table. Lennon hardly got them playing better football and scoring goals last season
Loyalty to existing players who had struggled at this level is ultimately what did for mcpake. Just hope Lennon doesnāt make the same mistakes.
I donāt think he is going to make the same mistake.
Heās obviously signed off on Charlie Gilmour and Iām hoping these rumours of more to come in shortly are going to be true.
Hopefully between having NL as manager and owners that are willing to spend a competitive wage at this level, we should be able to put together a decent squad. I always thought the last squad had the basics of a successful team but we never added to it for 2 summers and by the winter transfer window just gone we had an over worked, tired and under confident squad that was missing quality in midfield and up front. McPake certainly isnāt blameless but the previous board have a lot to answer for.
Different manager, different board - Iām sure weāll see different results
COYP
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 5 Jun 15:11
Hopefully NMC, we now have
Hamilton
Todd
Boothe (if he accepts)
Otoo
Gilmour
Hamilton
Cooper
Gilmour aside none of them had a good season in the middle of the park last year so assuming he brings in more quality for the spine of the team most of these guys will be on the bench or not even in the squad. Also still hearing wanyama mentioned.
At the moment itās still very much quantity over quality in there so hopefully the quality is en route. If booth stays I canāt see us brining in 8 additional outfield players unless a couple of under contract players go out the way.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 5 Jun 15:34
Todd can play RW back, competing with Bray. Otto can play LW back, competing with Ngwenya. As for signing more midfielders we still need a 10 and a left sided/winger..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 5 Jun 15:34
Quote:
Berkey, Thu 5 Jun 15:11
Hopefully NMC, we now have
Hamilton
Todd
Boothe (if he accepts)
Otoo
Gilmour
Hamilton
Cooper
Gilmour aside none of them had a good season in the middle of the park last year so assuming he brings in more quality for the spine of the team most of these guys will be on the bench or not even in the squad. Also still hearing wanyama mentioned.
At the moment itās still very much quantity over quality in there so hopefully the quality is en route. If booth stays I canāt see us brining in 8 additional outfield players unless a couple of under contract players go out the way.
Donāt know what to think of the Wanyama stuff. Is there a player of real quality there? Yes but can you get a multi millionaire motivated enough to be fit enough to scrap it out in the Scottish championship? I donāt think so š¤·š»āāļø
The other thing to consider is we donāt know really know how NL will want to set his team up. He set them up the only way he could to scrape results last season, hopefully weāll be in a position to play the way we want this season
COYP
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