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Topic Originator: sjapar
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:22
Are we any better off than when the Germans were running the show ?
Sja
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:26
Who knows? We`re about to find out once the league campaign gets underway. We also have a different management/coaching team now and some of the younger players are starting to impress whilst on first team duties...
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:32
It`s a strange question to ask in the middle of a transfer window is it not?
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:33
Yes, the squad is larger, we have signed a number of promising young players. Some of our own youth players have clearly developed as well.
We are lacking a goalkeeper and a couple of forwards (or another 10).
I`d also imagine a few of the Sutherlands, Ngwenya, Todd, Fisher, Sam Young may be moved on, on loan in some cases.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:37
There`s more optimism I think with the early results.
The display against Hearts, for example, was mainly encouraging despite a bad start & just a shame about the pens. The rest of the time we definitely gave them a game.
I`d like to see an improvement on the playing style - not necessarily meaning we`re going to win every game, but after the last few years especially, that would be a big step forward.
Signs so far are encouraging, unlike anything we saw last season. And we are scoring goals which is also greatly improved!
Live in hope, haha!
COYP đ€đŒđđđŒ
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:38
I guess weâll only know for sure once we start playing other championship teams. Some players have impressed pre season but itâs been against part time league 2 opposition and Hamilton who have lost half their team. We did well against hearts but it was very much a 1 off game with both sides bedding in new players etc.
Weâre stronger in midfielder as both gilmour and amade look like upgrades but again itâs based playing weaker teams. The Tod brothers look promising but itâs a big jump up to championship level so think they will be in and out the team at best. Mullan seems to have become a little inconsistent.
Kearney surely must be an upgrade on KRH who hasnât produced anything of note in the championship, not convinced on Otoo on the left but otherwise where do you play him.
Weâre still missing the cutting edge and quality upfront, cooper has made a good start to preseason but it would be some turnaround to see him regularly getting the goals and assists to propel us up this league. He certainly wonât do it on his own.
To be honest thereâs a few in the squad, mostly midfielders who we could let go on loan. You can see some of last seasons underperformers who were lucky enough to still have a contract are very much moved to the fringes of things now.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:59
The current management setup feels far superior than anything we had under the German lot. Back then, it always felt like they had the ambition but none of the understanding of what it actually takes to run a club like Dunfermline properly, especially at this level.
The Rosyth project was the perfect example: started with a fanfare, some shiny plans and a few grants, but when it came down to actual football operations, it was all a bit of a smokescreen. The squad was crying out for proper investment, and instead we were left with an astro park and a glorified building site no one can go and watch a match. Not exactly legacy building stuff.
Compare that to Bord and Co. Theyâve spent, but theyâve spent wisely. Got Lennon in, bolstered the backroom with proper coaching and sports science folk, and actually addressed things fans have been shouting about for years. The pitch getting redone, the Legends improvements, even the matchday experience which the Germans kept harping on about. Itâs all been properly followed through instead of just being what fans want to hear in the paper.
Squad wise though ? Early days but itâs shaping up to be stronger. But as a club weâre absolutely in a better place. Less talk, more action. Long may it continue.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:07
The Club has definitely taken a big step forward. So much good going on off and on the field of play. It might take until next season before we are ready to challenge for the league title. The squad still needs at least 4 experienced players in before the window closes. 2 forwards, CB and a goalkeeper would go a long way.
I am definitely the most excited I have been in a very long time about the season ahead and beyond.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:08
Think the recruitment looks OK so far but I think it`s this extra experience they have talked about that is probably going to dictate our season.
I think considering how bad last season was it does feel like fans are optimistic about next season but I think without a couple of players in before next weekend and a defeat then the bubble could burst a wee bit.
For me I`m not interested in how much is left of the transfer window we should have a strong enough squad to start next weekend against Morton and I`d argue right now we don`t.
We need a Falkirk style start to the season wins on the board and really build some momentum and not deflating defeats.
If Kane isn`t in the squad and Connor Young isn`t in the squad then 2 strikers will be required ASAP.
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:15
I think the initial optimism about the potential âmarquee signingsâ has gone and it looks like weâre back in the youth market in terms of affordability? Iain Brunskill post Hamilton was telling.
âWhen pressed about potential new signings, the 48 year-old Englishman acknowledged the complexities of the transfer market:- âThereâs been players identified, and Iâm saying we need to do this, we need to do that but itâs not that easy and everybodyâs in the same boat. Youâve got to identify someone. Then youâve got to see whether theyâre affordable, theyâre available. Then thereâs the other negotiations that take place.â
The early rumours of Fletcher, Cummings etc now seem a bit far fetched?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:29
`The early rumours of Fletcher, Cummings etc now seem a bit far fetched?`
Maybe that`s because they WERE far-fetched. Did people actually think that a club of our status could dictate terms in the market for full-time football players? I think NL has been quite canny in his dealings and he hasn`t finished yet by all accounts.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:33
I think the initial optimism about the potential âmarquee signingsâ has gone and it looks like weâre back in the youth market in terms of affordability? Iain Brunskill post Hamilton was telling.
Affordability is not the issue, we spent a near 100k on Kearney, a fee for Macleod and we`ve just had a record 6 figure shirt sponsor come in.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:41
Athletico, I don`t recall Kearney`s transfer fee being disclosed anywhere. Whereabouts have you seen that sort of figure?
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:52
Belfast Telegraph
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/neil-lennons-dunfermline-confirm-signing-of-cliftonvilles-northern-ireland-under-21-star-in-100k-deal/a653522912.html
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:14
Quote:
Athletico, Sat 26 Jul 09:33
I think the initial optimism about the potential âmarquee signingsâ has gone and it looks like weâre back in the youth market in terms of affordability? Iain Brunskill post Hamilton was telling.
Affordability is not the issue, we spent a near 100k on Kearney, a fee for Macleod and we`ve just had a record 6 figure shirt sponsor come in.
I tend to agree here. My worry is why we have not been able to get any of these type of players in? We are needing them.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:24
Is it really that hard to understand, Raymie? We were credited with an interest in Brian Graham. If Falkirk came in and offered him the chance to play in the Scottish Premiership which option do you expect him to accept? Signing `experienced` players is always going to be difficult even if we`re backed by a rich owner.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:26
People get too caught up in the idea of a âmarquee signingâ as if it needs to be some flashy arrival. Truth is, a marquee signing is just a player brought in to make a statement and grab attention, maybe sell some shirts, but it doesnât always translate to on pitch impact. Wanyama being a perfect example.
Look at Gilmour he is head and shoulders above what we had last season in the middle of the park. Same goes for Kearney, looks far more natural at RWB and actually offers something going forward, unlike Comrie who just looked lost in that role.
Amade as well nobody was raving about him when he signed but heâs turning into a proper asset. Then youâve got boys like Tod and Cooper whoâve stepped it up massively and feels like weâve strengthened the squad without even making a signing.
At the end of the day, you donât need a marquee name if the squadâs improving overall. Rather have players who fit the system and raise the level than pay a hefty fee for someone who ends up a passenger. Weâve done that before and it never ends well.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:39
Good post Cammy.
I`ll ask the question I asked on another thread... Before Arfield signed in the January window, how many of Falkirks squad that had them clear at the top of the league were proven at that level?
People make too much of that IMO. Everyone who is proven at that level was unproven at some stage. Amade, TOB, Kearney and Gilmour already look streets ahead of what we had last year. The Tods are swimming with potential. Good times ahead.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:50
Iâll replace âmarqueeâ with âexperiencedâ as that is what I think we need. When the team is going through a tough spell, itâs to these players that the younger ones will look to for support. Itâs probably why Bene still plays?
To answer wee eck, the Graham decision I can understand, but there are many others out there, surely?
Money wouldnât appear to be a problem for us? We have an excellent manager. We have a great stadium and fan base. Dunfermline is a decent place to live. The club appears to be on the up, but, so far, we canât seem to get them in the door.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:57
There are obviously many variables including availability, cost, salary, personal circumstances etc. On top of that you want the right experience and as such the right individuals who want to train, want to play, have the right attitude and hungry for success. Younger players are always looking upwards in terms of their careers. You don`t want players who are looking downwards in my view. That means `experience` around the 25 - 28 age group with no great injury history. Those players are like gold dust.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 11:11
By all accounts we tried very hard to sign Dylan Easton. I thought this was ill-fated from the start as I couldn`t believe the Rovers would accept an offer but it did demonstrate the ambition of the current owners. Whatever the reason for not signing experienced players so far I doubt it`s due to a want of trying.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 26 Jul 11:18
I think people need to temper their expectations, the last two seasons were dreadful, sneaking survival and the team being short changed, not to mention the dire, boring football.
Lennon coming in was a statement and undoubtedly the club as a whole is in a better place but we are building, we`re not in the position Hibs were in when Lennon took over there, there isn`t the probability of that kind of instant success.
We`re building in my opinion, progress is improving on the last two seasons. We have players with actual potential as opposed to the ageing journeyman types eeking out a last payday. Factor in that there are players here that probably won`t be past their current contracts, it`s not the complete refurbishment that we all would want.
Speaking to Hibs fans (Family is full of them!) Lennon doesn`t do his business at a sprint, let`s give the project a wee bit time yet?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 13:47
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 10:50
Iâll replace âmarqueeâ with âexperiencedâ as that is what I think we need. When the team is going through a tough spell, itâs to these players that the younger ones will look to for support. Itâs probably why Bene still plays?
To answer wee eck, the Graham decision I can understand, but there are many others out there, surely?
Money wouldnât appear to be a problem for us? We have an excellent manager. We have a great stadium and fan base. Dunfermline is a decent place to live. The club appears to be on the up, but, so far, we canât seem to get them in the door.
I think your missing my point. "Experienced" signings or needing a "marquee name" isn`t the only way to improve a squad . Gilmour has impressed since day one and looks head and shoulders above anything we had last season. Amadeâs come in, barely a peep about him when he signed, and now he`s better than what we had previously. That is good recruitment doesn`t always need a big name.
Are people calling for a big forgetting Wanyama`s debut? being a big name means nothing if youâre not up to speed with the tempo or demands. This obsession with a big name over what they bring to the team is bizarre.
Weâre building a squad that fits the system and has a clear identity. Players are improving, the recruitmentâs smart, and you can see the progress. Letâs back what weâre doing instead of chasing fairytale signings just for a headline. Thereâs still time left in the window and I trust weâll add a couple more that actually improve us, not just tick the âexperiencedâ box.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 13:48)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 15:48
Thereâs still time left in the window and I trust weâll add a couple more that actually improve us, not just tick the âexperiencedâ box.
I clearly didnât feel I needed to say âexperienced and goodâ. I assumed that would be a given? Noted though for next time.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 26 Jul 15:54
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 15:48
Thereâs still time left in the window and I trust weâll add a couple more that actually improve us, not just tick the âexperiencedâ box.
I clearly didnât feel I needed to say âexperienced and goodâ. I assumed that would be a given? Noted though for next time.
Bring back Dorrans, plenty experience.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 15:58
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 15:48
Thereâs still time left in the window and I trust weâll add a couple more that actually improve us, not just tick the âexperiencedâ box.
I clearly didnât feel I needed to say âexperienced and goodâ. I assumed that would be a given? Noted though for next time.
Remember when most were buzzing when we signed VW. Champions League pedigree and all that, but once he actually played, it was clear he was miles off it. Looked like he was running through treacle. By then, damage was done.
This whole âwe need experienced playersâ patter sounds good on paper, but who exactly are these magical experienced signings you think weâre getting? Every time we have gone down that road, itâs backfired more often than not. Folk forget how many âexperienced prosâ weâve brought in that offered absolutely nothing.
Truth is, weâre building a squad here with a bit of balance. Gilmourâs a proper baller, Amade looks tidy, and Kearneyâs growing into that RWB role nicely. You chuck in a proper LWB, a keeper who comes for a cross, and a striker thatâs not made of biscuits and weâll be right in the mix.
Not every signing needs to be a household name. They just need to improve the team. So far, Iâd say weâve done that. We aren`t going to go from relegation fodder to winning the league overnight.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 26 Jul 16:55
I`d agree with Cammy Par there, could sign Marquee players like Wanyama who are finished, would bring nothing to us on the patk, and that would cost us a fortune, or get guys in with enough experience who can still hit their peak like Gilmour and Amade, I`d prefer the latter
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:05
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
That suggests we have recruited poorly.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:27
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 17:05
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Rusty Shackleford, Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
That suggests we have recruited poorly.
Most fans would agree we could upgrade Mehmet, Otoo, and someone more reliable than Kane, but who are you actually putting forward as realistic signings, Raymie?
What experienced marquee signings are we to look at?
As mentioned if lennon can bring in guys to strengthen the above positions then I`d say thatâs an outstanding window. Especially with Gilmour, Amade, and Kearney already looking like upgrades.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:31
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 26 Jul 17:27
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Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 17:05
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Rusty Shackleford, Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
That suggests we have recruited poorly.
Most fans would agree we could upgrade Mehmet, Otoo, and someone more reliable than Kane, but who are you actually putting forward as realistic signings, Raymie?
What experienced marquee signings are we to look at?
As mentioned if lennon can bring in guys to strengthen the above positions then I`d say thatâs an outstanding window. Especially with Gilmour, Amade, and Kearney already looking like upgrades.
Cammypar how come your not getting what Raymie is saying instead of just picking holes in the comment?
As fans how are we supposed to know what players they are looking at?
Jeezo without additional recruitment we might be in for another long season surely you recognise that?
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 17:32)
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:59
NL today at hospitality - below transfer spend budget at the minute, pleased with goalkeeper signing, two in before season starts and looking at being patient for transfer window end August. Young players, bugged them up and if you show your good enough you are old enough. Really positive
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:16
Parsdsft, what do you mean heâs pleased with the goalkeeper signing?
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:19
Quote:
dd23, Sat 26 Jul 18:16
Parsdsft, what do you mean heâs pleased with the goalkeeper signing?
Mason Munn was at the game today so assume he has signed on loan from Rangers.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:22
Quote:
LEGEND85, Sat 26 Jul 17:31
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cammypar 1995, Sat 26 Jul 17:27
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Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 17:05
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Rusty Shackleford, Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
That suggests we have recruited poorly.
Most fans would agree we could upgrade Mehmet, Otoo, and someone more reliable than Kane, but who are you actually putting forward as realistic signings, Raymie?
What experienced marquee signings are we to look at?
As mentioned if lennon can bring in guys to strengthen the above positions then I`d say thatâs an outstanding window. Especially with Gilmour, Amade, and Kearney already looking like upgrades.
Cammypar how come your not getting what Raymie is saying instead of just picking holes in the comment?
As fans how are we supposed to know what players they are looking at?
Jeezo without additional recruitment we might be in for another long season surely you recognise that?
Heâs moved the goalposts from âwe need marquee signingsâ to âwe need experienced playersâ without naming a single one thatâs realistic or would actually improve us. Itâs easy to say you want better, but harder to identify who that is and how youâd get them in.
This summer weâve actually recruited smart. Gilmour, Amade, even Kearney adapting at RWB â all clear upgrades. Tod and Cooper look different players now. Itâs not about signing a âname,â itâs about building a proper squad with players who fit the system and give us more than what we had.
Every time weâve gone down the road of âexperienceâ for the sake of it, itâs backfired. Wanyama was meant to be that experienced player. He looked miles off it. The squad is in a far better place than last season and if we add a solid keeper, LWB and striker, then weâre laughing. If you read my previous posts you`d see I said where we needed to strengthen and how I was confident we will do so. My point is, its easy to say about marquee signings but significant progress has been made without being so called experienced or marquee signings.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:36
It remains to be seen how the Toddâs and cooper get on, all we know at the moment is that they look like they would make an impact at league 2 level last years team would have beaten the league 2 teams we have played and most likely a Hamilton team who are severely depleted.
We can advise weâve done some smart recruitment but until we start playing teams at our level we donât actually know how smart it has been.
The problem at the moment is we could go and beat Morton next week 3-0 but we could also get beat 3-0⊠I certainly wonât be putting the pars on the coupon!
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:44
Cammy - marquee signing was not my comment. It was in the post the I quoted where I pretty much agreed with. I then clarified that I was not looking for a marquee signing. I never have and never will. We are not that type of club.
I hope this clarifies?
Today showed again that we need a few experienced ( and good ) players to help our promising young players.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 18:44)
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:46
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 26 Jul 18:36
It remains to be seen how the Toddâs and cooper get on, all we know at the moment is that they look like they would make an impact at league 2 level last years team would have beaten the league 2 teams we have played and most likely a Hamilton team who are severely depleted.
We can advise weâve done some smart recruitment but until we start playing teams at our level we donât actually know how smart it has been.
The problem at the moment is we could go and beat Morton next week 3-0 but we could also get beat 3-0⊠I certainly wonât be putting the pars on the coupon!
That was the problem Berkey last years team couldn`t beat league 2 opposition hense the poor league cup run.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:52
Lennon post match
"âI could do with a bit of experience and weâre working on that behind the scenes to just augment what we already have.â
also in the Courier, "who says he is on the look-out for two new strikers"
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 18:53)
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 26 Jul 19:00
The âmarqueeâ comment was tongue-in-cheek, hence the quotation marks around marquee. The main thing I was highlighting was the change in narrative from financial backing to affordability.
For the record, I think the signings we have made so far have all been impressive - definitely feel we could benefit from a few experienced (and good) signings to complement the youngsters though. Especially up top.
Sounds like weâve got a few lined up, so letâs see.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 26 Jul 19:06
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 10:50
Iâll replace âmarqueeâ with âexperiencedâ as that is what I think we need. When the team is going through a tough spell, itâs to these players that the younger ones will look to for support. Itâs probably why Bene still plays?
To answer wee eck, the Graham decision I can understand, but there are many others out there, surely?
Money wouldnât appear to be a problem for us? We have an excellent manager. We have a great stadium and fan base. Dunfermline is a decent place to live. The club appears to be on the up, but, so far, we canât seem to get them in the door.
Totally agree with this. If we donât get some experience in weâll be in for a rude awakening at Cappielow.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 19:06
I was told that NL confirmed to the hospitality punters that the goalie, Mason Munn, had signed and that DC told them another signing was in the pipeline but no details were given. He also confirmed that cÂŁ150k had been spent on the pitch.
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 19:18)
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sat 26 Jul 21:08
True wee eck
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 26 Jul 21:11
Saw chris Kane limping pretty badly today , would be surprised he`s fit for next week .
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 21:11
Cheers, Parsdaft.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 26 Jul 22:59
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Sat 26 Jul 21:11
Saw chris Kane limping pretty badly today , would be surprised he`s fit for next week .
Being fit at all is a bit of a surprise albeit unlucky this time.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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