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Topic Originator: sjapar
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:22
Are we any better off than when the Germans were running the show ?
Sja
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:26
Who knows? We`re about to find out once the league campaign gets underway. We also have a different management/coaching team now and some of the younger players are starting to impress whilst on first team duties...
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:32
It`s a strange question to ask in the middle of a transfer window is it not?
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:33
Yes, the squad is larger, we have signed a number of promising young players. Some of our own youth players have clearly developed as well.
We are lacking a goalkeeper and a couple of forwards (or another 10).
I`d also imagine a few of the Sutherlands, Ngwenya, Todd, Fisher, Sam Young may be moved on, on loan in some cases.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:37
There`s more optimism I think with the early results.
The display against Hearts, for example, was mainly encouraging despite a bad start & just a shame about the pens. The rest of the time we definitely gave them a game.
I`d like to see an improvement on the playing style - not necessarily meaning we`re going to win every game, but after the last few years especially, that would be a big step forward.
Signs so far are encouraging, unlike anything we saw last season. And we are scoring goals which is also greatly improved!
Live in hope, haha!
COYP đ€đŒđđđŒ
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:38
I guess weâll only know for sure once we start playing other championship teams. Some players have impressed pre season but itâs been against part time league 2 opposition and Hamilton who have lost half their team. We did well against hearts but it was very much a 1 off game with both sides bedding in new players etc.
Weâre stronger in midfielder as both gilmour and amade look like upgrades but again itâs based playing weaker teams. The Tod brothers look promising but itâs a big jump up to championship level so think they will be in and out the team at best. Mullan seems to have become a little inconsistent.
Kearney surely must be an upgrade on KRH who hasnât produced anything of note in the championship, not convinced on Otoo on the left but otherwise where do you play him.
Weâre still missing the cutting edge and quality upfront, cooper has made a good start to preseason but it would be some turnaround to see him regularly getting the goals and assists to propel us up this league. He certainly wonât do it on his own.
To be honest thereâs a few in the squad, mostly midfielders who we could let go on loan. You can see some of last seasons underperformers who were lucky enough to still have a contract are very much moved to the fringes of things now.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 08:59
The current management setup feels far superior than anything we had under the German lot. Back then, it always felt like they had the ambition but none of the understanding of what it actually takes to run a club like Dunfermline properly, especially at this level.
The Rosyth project was the perfect example: started with a fanfare, some shiny plans and a few grants, but when it came down to actual football operations, it was all a bit of a smokescreen. The squad was crying out for proper investment, and instead we were left with an astro park and a glorified building site no one can go and watch a match. Not exactly legacy building stuff.
Compare that to Bord and Co. Theyâve spent, but theyâve spent wisely. Got Lennon in, bolstered the backroom with proper coaching and sports science folk, and actually addressed things fans have been shouting about for years. The pitch getting redone, the Legends improvements, even the matchday experience which the Germans kept harping on about. Itâs all been properly followed through instead of just being what fans want to hear in the paper.
Squad wise though ? Early days but itâs shaping up to be stronger. But as a club weâre absolutely in a better place. Less talk, more action. Long may it continue.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:07
The Club has definitely taken a big step forward. So much good going on off and on the field of play. It might take until next season before we are ready to challenge for the league title. The squad still needs at least 4 experienced players in before the window closes. 2 forwards, CB and a goalkeeper would go a long way.
I am definitely the most excited I have been in a very long time about the season ahead and beyond.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:08
Think the recruitment looks OK so far but I think it`s this extra experience they have talked about that is probably going to dictate our season.
I think considering how bad last season was it does feel like fans are optimistic about next season but I think without a couple of players in before next weekend and a defeat then the bubble could burst a wee bit.
For me I`m not interested in how much is left of the transfer window we should have a strong enough squad to start next weekend against Morton and I`d argue right now we don`t.
We need a Falkirk style start to the season wins on the board and really build some momentum and not deflating defeats.
If Kane isn`t in the squad and Connor Young isn`t in the squad then 2 strikers will be required ASAP.
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:15
I think the initial optimism about the potential âmarquee signingsâ has gone and it looks like weâre back in the youth market in terms of affordability? Iain Brunskill post Hamilton was telling.
âWhen pressed about potential new signings, the 48 year-old Englishman acknowledged the complexities of the transfer market:- âThereâs been players identified, and Iâm saying we need to do this, we need to do that but itâs not that easy and everybodyâs in the same boat. Youâve got to identify someone. Then youâve got to see whether theyâre affordable, theyâre available. Then thereâs the other negotiations that take place.â
The early rumours of Fletcher, Cummings etc now seem a bit far fetched?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:29
`The early rumours of Fletcher, Cummings etc now seem a bit far fetched?`
Maybe that`s because they WERE far-fetched. Did people actually think that a club of our status could dictate terms in the market for full-time football players? I think NL has been quite canny in his dealings and he hasn`t finished yet by all accounts.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:33
I think the initial optimism about the potential âmarquee signingsâ has gone and it looks like weâre back in the youth market in terms of affordability? Iain Brunskill post Hamilton was telling.
Affordability is not the issue, we spent a near 100k on Kearney, a fee for Macleod and we`ve just had a record 6 figure shirt sponsor come in.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:41
Athletico, I don`t recall Kearney`s transfer fee being disclosed anywhere. Whereabouts have you seen that sort of figure?
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Sat 26 Jul 09:52
Belfast Telegraph
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/neil-lennons-dunfermline-confirm-signing-of-cliftonvilles-northern-ireland-under-21-star-in-100k-deal/a653522912.html
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:14
Quote:
Athletico, Sat 26 Jul 09:33
I think the initial optimism about the potential âmarquee signingsâ has gone and it looks like weâre back in the youth market in terms of affordability? Iain Brunskill post Hamilton was telling.
Affordability is not the issue, we spent a near 100k on Kearney, a fee for Macleod and we`ve just had a record 6 figure shirt sponsor come in.
I tend to agree here. My worry is why we have not been able to get any of these type of players in? We are needing them.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:24
Is it really that hard to understand, Raymie? We were credited with an interest in Brian Graham. If Falkirk came in and offered him the chance to play in the Scottish Premiership which option do you expect him to accept? Signing `experienced` players is always going to be difficult even if we`re backed by a rich owner.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:26
People get too caught up in the idea of a âmarquee signingâ as if it needs to be some flashy arrival. Truth is, a marquee signing is just a player brought in to make a statement and grab attention, maybe sell some shirts, but it doesnât always translate to on pitch impact. Wanyama being a perfect example.
Look at Gilmour he is head and shoulders above what we had last season in the middle of the park. Same goes for Kearney, looks far more natural at RWB and actually offers something going forward, unlike Comrie who just looked lost in that role.
Amade as well nobody was raving about him when he signed but heâs turning into a proper asset. Then youâve got boys like Tod and Cooper whoâve stepped it up massively and feels like weâve strengthened the squad without even making a signing.
At the end of the day, you donât need a marquee name if the squadâs improving overall. Rather have players who fit the system and raise the level than pay a hefty fee for someone who ends up a passenger. Weâve done that before and it never ends well.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:39
Good post Cammy.
I`ll ask the question I asked on another thread... Before Arfield signed in the January window, how many of Falkirks squad that had them clear at the top of the league were proven at that level?
People make too much of that IMO. Everyone who is proven at that level was unproven at some stage. Amade, TOB, Kearney and Gilmour already look streets ahead of what we had last year. The Tods are swimming with potential. Good times ahead.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:50
Iâll replace âmarqueeâ with âexperiencedâ as that is what I think we need. When the team is going through a tough spell, itâs to these players that the younger ones will look to for support. Itâs probably why Bene still plays?
To answer wee eck, the Graham decision I can understand, but there are many others out there, surely?
Money wouldnât appear to be a problem for us? We have an excellent manager. We have a great stadium and fan base. Dunfermline is a decent place to live. The club appears to be on the up, but, so far, we canât seem to get them in the door.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 26 Jul 10:57
There are obviously many variables including availability, cost, salary, personal circumstances etc. On top of that you want the right experience and as such the right individuals who want to train, want to play, have the right attitude and hungry for success. Younger players are always looking upwards in terms of their careers. You don`t want players who are looking downwards in my view. That means `experience` around the 25 - 28 age group with no great injury history. Those players are like gold dust.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 11:11
By all accounts we tried very hard to sign Dylan Easton. I thought this was ill-fated from the start as I couldn`t believe the Rovers would accept an offer but it did demonstrate the ambition of the current owners. Whatever the reason for not signing experienced players so far I doubt it`s due to a want of trying.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 26 Jul 11:18
I think people need to temper their expectations, the last two seasons were dreadful, sneaking survival and the team being short changed, not to mention the dire, boring football.
Lennon coming in was a statement and undoubtedly the club as a whole is in a better place but we are building, we`re not in the position Hibs were in when Lennon took over there, there isn`t the probability of that kind of instant success.
We`re building in my opinion, progress is improving on the last two seasons. We have players with actual potential as opposed to the ageing journeyman types eeking out a last payday. Factor in that there are players here that probably won`t be past their current contracts, it`s not the complete refurbishment that we all would want.
Speaking to Hibs fans (Family is full of them!) Lennon doesn`t do his business at a sprint, let`s give the project a wee bit time yet?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 13:47
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 10:50
Iâll replace âmarqueeâ with âexperiencedâ as that is what I think we need. When the team is going through a tough spell, itâs to these players that the younger ones will look to for support. Itâs probably why Bene still plays?
To answer wee eck, the Graham decision I can understand, but there are many others out there, surely?
Money wouldnât appear to be a problem for us? We have an excellent manager. We have a great stadium and fan base. Dunfermline is a decent place to live. The club appears to be on the up, but, so far, we canât seem to get them in the door.
I think your missing my point. "Experienced" signings or needing a "marquee name" isn`t the only way to improve a squad . Gilmour has impressed since day one and looks head and shoulders above anything we had last season. Amadeâs come in, barely a peep about him when he signed, and now he`s better than what we had previously. That is good recruitment doesn`t always need a big name.
Are people calling for a big forgetting Wanyama`s debut? being a big name means nothing if youâre not up to speed with the tempo or demands. This obsession with a big name over what they bring to the team is bizarre.
Weâre building a squad that fits the system and has a clear identity. Players are improving, the recruitmentâs smart, and you can see the progress. Letâs back what weâre doing instead of chasing fairytale signings just for a headline. Thereâs still time left in the window and I trust weâll add a couple more that actually improve us, not just tick the âexperiencedâ box.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 13:48)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 15:48
Thereâs still time left in the window and I trust weâll add a couple more that actually improve us, not just tick the âexperiencedâ box.
I clearly didnât feel I needed to say âexperienced and goodâ. I assumed that would be a given? Noted though for next time.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 26 Jul 15:54
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 15:48
Thereâs still time left in the window and I trust weâll add a couple more that actually improve us, not just tick the âexperiencedâ box.
I clearly didnât feel I needed to say âexperienced and goodâ. I assumed that would be a given? Noted though for next time.
Bring back Dorrans, plenty experience.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 15:58
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 15:48
Thereâs still time left in the window and I trust weâll add a couple more that actually improve us, not just tick the âexperiencedâ box.
I clearly didnât feel I needed to say âexperienced and goodâ. I assumed that would be a given? Noted though for next time.
Remember when most were buzzing when we signed VW. Champions League pedigree and all that, but once he actually played, it was clear he was miles off it. Looked like he was running through treacle. By then, damage was done.
This whole âwe need experienced playersâ patter sounds good on paper, but who exactly are these magical experienced signings you think weâre getting? Every time we have gone down that road, itâs backfired more often than not. Folk forget how many âexperienced prosâ weâve brought in that offered absolutely nothing.
Truth is, weâre building a squad here with a bit of balance. Gilmourâs a proper baller, Amade looks tidy, and Kearneyâs growing into that RWB role nicely. You chuck in a proper LWB, a keeper who comes for a cross, and a striker thatâs not made of biscuits and weâll be right in the mix.
Not every signing needs to be a household name. They just need to improve the team. So far, Iâd say weâve done that. We aren`t going to go from relegation fodder to winning the league overnight.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 26 Jul 16:55
I`d agree with Cammy Par there, could sign Marquee players like Wanyama who are finished, would bring nothing to us on the patk, and that would cost us a fortune, or get guys in with enough experience who can still hit their peak like Gilmour and Amade, I`d prefer the latter
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:05
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
That suggests we have recruited poorly.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:27
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 17:05
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Rusty Shackleford, Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
That suggests we have recruited poorly.
Most fans would agree we could upgrade Mehmet, Otoo, and someone more reliable than Kane, but who are you actually putting forward as realistic signings, Raymie?
What experienced marquee signings are we to look at?
As mentioned if lennon can bring in guys to strengthen the above positions then I`d say thatâs an outstanding window. Especially with Gilmour, Amade, and Kearney already looking like upgrades.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:31
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sat 26 Jul 17:27
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Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 17:05
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Rusty Shackleford, Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
That suggests we have recruited poorly.
Most fans would agree we could upgrade Mehmet, Otoo, and someone more reliable than Kane, but who are you actually putting forward as realistic signings, Raymie?
What experienced marquee signings are we to look at?
As mentioned if lennon can bring in guys to strengthen the above positions then I`d say thatâs an outstanding window. Especially with Gilmour, Amade, and Kearney already looking like upgrades.
Cammypar how come your not getting what Raymie is saying instead of just picking holes in the comment?
As fans how are we supposed to know what players they are looking at?
Jeezo without additional recruitment we might be in for another long season surely you recognise that?
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 17:32)
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sat 26 Jul 17:59
NL today at hospitality - below transfer spend budget at the minute, pleased with goalkeeper signing, two in before season starts and looking at being patient for transfer window end August. Young players, bugged them up and if you show your good enough you are old enough. Really positive
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:16
Parsdsft, what do you mean heâs pleased with the goalkeeper signing?
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:19
Quote:
dd23, Sat 26 Jul 18:16
Parsdsft, what do you mean heâs pleased with the goalkeeper signing?
Mason Munn was at the game today so assume he has signed on loan from Rangers.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:22
Quote:
LEGEND85, Sat 26 Jul 17:31
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cammypar 1995, Sat 26 Jul 17:27
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Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 17:05
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Rusty Shackleford, Sat 26 Jul 17:00
Yeah. The return on investment for experience in the past few years (Dorrans, Wotherspoon, O`Halloran, Wanyama) doesn`t make for great reading.
That suggests we have recruited poorly.
Most fans would agree we could upgrade Mehmet, Otoo, and someone more reliable than Kane, but who are you actually putting forward as realistic signings, Raymie?
What experienced marquee signings are we to look at?
As mentioned if lennon can bring in guys to strengthen the above positions then I`d say thatâs an outstanding window. Especially with Gilmour, Amade, and Kearney already looking like upgrades.
Cammypar how come your not getting what Raymie is saying instead of just picking holes in the comment?
As fans how are we supposed to know what players they are looking at?
Jeezo without additional recruitment we might be in for another long season surely you recognise that?
Heâs moved the goalposts from âwe need marquee signingsâ to âwe need experienced playersâ without naming a single one thatâs realistic or would actually improve us. Itâs easy to say you want better, but harder to identify who that is and how youâd get them in.
This summer weâve actually recruited smart. Gilmour, Amade, even Kearney adapting at RWB â all clear upgrades. Tod and Cooper look different players now. Itâs not about signing a âname,â itâs about building a proper squad with players who fit the system and give us more than what we had.
Every time weâve gone down the road of âexperienceâ for the sake of it, itâs backfired. Wanyama was meant to be that experienced player. He looked miles off it. The squad is in a far better place than last season and if we add a solid keeper, LWB and striker, then weâre laughing. If you read my previous posts you`d see I said where we needed to strengthen and how I was confident we will do so. My point is, its easy to say about marquee signings but significant progress has been made without being so called experienced or marquee signings.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:36
It remains to be seen how the Toddâs and cooper get on, all we know at the moment is that they look like they would make an impact at league 2 level last years team would have beaten the league 2 teams we have played and most likely a Hamilton team who are severely depleted.
We can advise weâve done some smart recruitment but until we start playing teams at our level we donât actually know how smart it has been.
The problem at the moment is we could go and beat Morton next week 3-0 but we could also get beat 3-0⊠I certainly wonât be putting the pars on the coupon!
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:44
Cammy - marquee signing was not my comment. It was in the post the I quoted where I pretty much agreed with. I then clarified that I was not looking for a marquee signing. I never have and never will. We are not that type of club.
I hope this clarifies?
Today showed again that we need a few experienced ( and good ) players to help our promising young players.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 18:44)
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:46
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 26 Jul 18:36
It remains to be seen how the Toddâs and cooper get on, all we know at the moment is that they look like they would make an impact at league 2 level last years team would have beaten the league 2 teams we have played and most likely a Hamilton team who are severely depleted.
We can advise weâve done some smart recruitment but until we start playing teams at our level we donât actually know how smart it has been.
The problem at the moment is we could go and beat Morton next week 3-0 but we could also get beat 3-0⊠I certainly wonât be putting the pars on the coupon!
That was the problem Berkey last years team couldn`t beat league 2 opposition hense the poor league cup run.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 26 Jul 18:52
Lennon post match
"âI could do with a bit of experience and weâre working on that behind the scenes to just augment what we already have.â
also in the Courier, "who says he is on the look-out for two new strikers"
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 18:53)
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 26 Jul 19:00
The âmarqueeâ comment was tongue-in-cheek, hence the quotation marks around marquee. The main thing I was highlighting was the change in narrative from financial backing to affordability.
For the record, I think the signings we have made so far have all been impressive - definitely feel we could benefit from a few experienced (and good) signings to complement the youngsters though. Especially up top.
Sounds like weâve got a few lined up, so letâs see.
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 26 Jul 19:06
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 26 Jul 10:50
Iâll replace âmarqueeâ with âexperiencedâ as that is what I think we need. When the team is going through a tough spell, itâs to these players that the younger ones will look to for support. Itâs probably why Bene still plays?
To answer wee eck, the Graham decision I can understand, but there are many others out there, surely?
Money wouldnât appear to be a problem for us? We have an excellent manager. We have a great stadium and fan base. Dunfermline is a decent place to live. The club appears to be on the up, but, so far, we canât seem to get them in the door.
Totally agree with this. If we donât get some experience in weâll be in for a rude awakening at Cappielow.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 19:06
I was told that NL confirmed to the hospitality punters that the goalie, Mason Munn, had signed and that DC told them another signing was in the pipeline but no details were given. He also confirmed that cÂŁ150k had been spent on the pitch.
Post Edited (Sat 26 Jul 19:18)
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sat 26 Jul 21:08
True wee eck
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 26 Jul 21:11
Saw chris Kane limping pretty badly today , would be surprised he`s fit for next week .
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 26 Jul 21:11
Cheers, Parsdaft.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 26 Jul 22:59
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Sat 26 Jul 21:11
Saw chris Kane limping pretty badly today , would be surprised he`s fit for next week .
Being fit at all is a bit of a surprise albeit unlucky this time.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 27 Jul 12:15
However, Lennon is determined to stay patient in his search for reinforcements in the forward areas.
âWeâre not close at all, to be honest with you,â he admitted. âSo, weâll be having a look again this week.
âItâs still really early. Weâre only at the end of July and thereâs another month of toing and froing to go.
âObviously, you want to try and get your business early but itâs not always worked out well, so weâre looking to bring a couple in, for sure.â
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Topic Originator: Par-timer
Date: Tue 29 Jul 14:08
Like almost everyone in the division, we are still in the market for an Ethan Ross/Dylan Easton-type goal creator/scorer and another out-and-out striker, and hopefully the draw of NL and the increased budget will lead to a successful outcome. If not, any improvement on last season in terms of entertainment and league position is likely to be modestâŠ
Last seasonâs lack of entertainment and league success was (as we all sadly know) due to an inability to create and then take goal-scoring opportunities. Just 28 goals in 36 games with only seven different players managing a league goal (after 13 scorers in the 21-22 relegation season and 17 in 23-24) were the headline stats, and digging deeper, both attack (Mepude/Wighton/T Sutherland/Yeboah/C Young failing to score at all in 65 combined league appearances) and midfield (Hamilton/Wotherspoon/Clay/Stevens/Chalmers/KRH/MOâH/Wanyama/OTC/TOB mustering a single league goal between them in 144 appearances) massively failed in this key metric, with only Kane/Todd/Otoo/Cooper managing respectable returns.
Whilst accepting that NL used the cup group stage to assess his squad, rather than going all out for qualification, we have now missed out on a money-spinning (8000 fans at an average of ÂŁ15 a head?) home tie with Aberdeen because we didnât score enough goals, despite A Tod and Cooper both netting three times. But NL and Bord/board are on the case and we will have to be patient.
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Topic Originator: steaua
Date: Tue 29 Jul 15:10
I am totally optimistic from what I have seen so far. One of the plus sides for me is the introduction of the younger players and the new management team. I realise we need a bit of experience in the team, however, the younger lads will be able to run all day and execute passes from perhaps the older heads. Bring the new season on.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Tue 29 Jul 15:11
The waiting game will only be successful if it ties in with a good start and decent points total during the month of August.
I think one of the reasons folk booed on Saturday is patience is in short supply amongst Pars fans given that over recent years results and performance have been poor.
This is just my opinion but when Lennon and Cook spoke at the end of last season about recruitment I didn`t think we would be going into the opening day with some of the same issues that we had last season.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 29 Jul 16:01
Iâve only seen flashes of Rory MacLeod, but I think there is a real player in there. He has an eye for a pass and a confidence that could make him our best signing this season.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 29 Jul 16:19
I like the way he went looking for the ball as soon as that penalty was awarded. He wasn`t even the nominated penalty-taker apparently.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 29 Jul 16:48
Really good statistical analysis there Par-timer, really backs up what a lot of us have been saying. We just havenât created or taken enough chances in recent championship seasons and it has made us dire to watch and lead to poor showings in the league table. Hoping that is about to change. Think we still need a couple in to get where we need to be.
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Tue 29 Jul 17:35
I havenât seen much of the team in the last couple of seasons but Iâm not hearing many positive comments about KRH which is a shame as he looked a decent prospect. Iâm hoping NL can maybe get a bit more out of 2 or 3 other of the younger players and get them energised. We never seem to get much out of the âexperiencedâ/âjourneymenâ signings we made in the past but there are exceptions. I`m going back a bit now but Bobby Smith is a perfect example. Iâm sure thereâs been others since eg Craig Brewster and even more recent than him. Suggestions ? Best 30+ year old signings ?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 29 Jul 19:09
From what Iâve seen the players weâve brought in have made a difference. Yeah, to compete at the top of the league weâre 2/3 short but at least we have the feeling we could be fighting for something. After that Forfar game last season I was considering getting a refund on my ST. After that game against Stirling, Iâm looking forward to the new season. Wasnât the best performance in the world but we move the ball much better and although we look like we are missing a striker, we created chances. KRH looked better when he came on, back to creating width, he ran at defenders and put crosses in đ€·đ»ââïž Kearney looks like heâs needing a bit of time but heâs good with the ball. All quite encouraging
COYP
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC88
Date: Tue 29 Jul 19:47
Iâm happy with the recruitment so far and the players we`ve brought in. That said, it looks increasingly likely that Kane will miss the season opener, hardly a shock to anyone, is it? I rate Chris Kane highly, but the harsh reality is he`s not someone we can depend on week in, week out. It was obvious to everyone that we needed a striker. The club clearly had their sights set on Dylan Easton, which wouldâve been an excellent signing, but we all saw how that turned out. At this point, they need to stop hoping and start investing, someone like Oli Shaw or Rauri Paton would be ideal. We simply canât afford to pin our hopes on Kane.
Iâm starting to feel uneasy about our lack of firepower up front. Thereâs just not enough threat in the final third, and itâs hard to see where the goals are going to come from.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Tue 29 Jul 19:50
If we go into the 1st league game with no recognised 1st team striker, the club should be ashamed. We`ve had 2 and a bit months to find some solution..wouldn`t be acceptable I`m afraid.
People go on about the complexities of this and that but other clubs find a way.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 29 Jul 20:07
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Gaz3822, Tue 29 Jul 19:50
If we go into the 1st league game with no recognised 1st team striker, the club should be ashamed. We`ve had 2 and a bit months to find some solution..wouldn`t be acceptable I`m afraid.
People go on about the complexities of this and that but other clubs find a way.
We have recognised first team strikersâŠâŠthey are just young in age, thats all
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 29 Jul 20:14
The problem is proven prolific strikers affordable to Championship clubs are not that available. Which ones have we missed out on? The obvious target was Brian Graham but he got the chance to play in the Premiership.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Tue 29 Jul 20:21
Thought we`re meant to have some money ? We all believed they were gonna splash out a bit. But its been about filling us up with youngsters again !! Which is great, but come on...
I`m kinda thinking they`re not prepared to fork out on anyone of a certain age and certain wage bracket
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Tue 29 Jul 20:23
Maybe,just maybe our club has identified key players and simply the one we identified dont want to come for one reason or another,and there can be a number of reasons.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 29 Jul 20:44
The biggest problem is the lack of anything creative in midfield, if we go into this season expecting cooper (who was here and still Lennon didnât give much game time last season) to rack up goals and assists it feels like we havenât rectified any of the main 2 issues from last season unless a striker also comes in.
As mentioned, if we donât sort those 2 out and with the reliance again moving towards relatively untried youngsters at this level the improvement this season wonât be anywhere near as much as we hoped for.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Tue 29 Jul 21:08
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Berkey, Tue 29 Jul 20:44
The biggest problem is the lack of anything creative in midfield, if we go into this season expecting cooper (who was here and still Lennon didnât give much game time last season) to rack up goals and assists it feels like we havenât rectified any of the main 2 issues from last season unless a striker also comes in.
As mentioned, if we donât sort those 2 out and with the reliance again moving towards relatively untried youngsters at this level the improvement this season wonât be anywhere near as much as we hoped for.
Agree
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Tue 29 Jul 21:11
We shouldâve had a striker in as a priority over any other area imo.
Whilst we have brought in elsewhere we havenât addressed the real issue - creativity and goals.
I agree with the above we shouldâve pushed the boat out, no doubt end up with a few cast offs as we go through August
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 29 Jul 21:19
It`s easy to make these accusations with no knowledge of who we have tried to sign, what we have offered and why the offers have not been successful. The Scottish Championship is the bottom of the pile for full-time footballers in the UK.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Tue 29 Jul 21:25
thats where the advantage of having an owner whos company is involved in data analysis and player recruitment should come in to play, to find those unknown, random players that are of that level but it hasnt happened especially for a striker for whatever reason or reasons.
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Tue 29 Jul 21:33
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 29 Jul 20:14
The problem is proven prolific strikers affordable to Championship clubs are not that available. Which ones have we missed out on? The obvious target was Brian Graham but he got the chance to play in the Premiership.
Tony Watt, Nicky Clark are 2 quick and clear examples
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 29 Jul 21:35
The thing is, so many clubs are using data analysis now, don`t we just end up competing for the same players?
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Topic Originator: Shaggy`s Beard
Date: Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up and I see no reason why Young, Bray and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season. In addition, John Tod, Mullen and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Tue 29 Jul 22:28
Quote:
Shaggy`s Beard, Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season, I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling, we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up, and I see no reason why Young, Bray, and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten, and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season In addition, John Tod, Mullen, and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
Agree with this. 20 goals a season strikers don`t grow on trees. The bottom line is that clubs need to do it the hard way and nurture their own talent. W
The owners may have the funds, but I would have thought they would want to invest wisely. I suspect we are building a team to get in the top 4, give the younger players experience this season, and push on next season.
Tommy Wright in the Courier speaks very highly of Munn and Kearney and NL and his management experience. He thinks coming to Dunfermline is a great move for both them and Dunfermline. There will be ups and downs with the younger players for sure but that is why we have a squad. It`s even more important to get behind them this season.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Tue 29 Jul 22:29
Quote:
Shaggy`s Beard, Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up and I see no reason why Young, Bray and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season. In addition, John Tod, Mullen and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
Great post
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Tue 29 Jul 22:33
Quote:
Shaggy`s Beard, Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up and I see no reason why Young, Bray and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season. In addition, John Tod, Mullen and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
đ spot on.
I donât think Watt or Clark would have been good signings, both just after there last pay day and more interested in their business affairs off the pitch. Glad we didnât go for either.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Tue 29 Jul 22:52
I`m glad of your optimism Shaggy, let`s see
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC88
Date: Tue 29 Jul 22:52
Quote:
Shaggy`s Beard, Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up and I see no reason why Young, Bray and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season. In addition, John Tod, Mullen and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
Come on now, Oli Shaw, Dylan Easton, or George Oakley wouldn`t improve us, even in the short term? Iâm with you on the potential of Bray and Young, no doubt. But you`re comparing goals scored in League One to players who`ve proven themselves at Championship level. I get your point overall, and but I still feel we urgently need to bring in another striker in.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 30 Jul 06:05
Quote:
RossDAFC88, Tue 29 Jul 22:52
Quote:
Shaggy`s Beard, Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up and I see no reason why Young, Bray and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season. In addition, John Tod, Mullen and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
Come on now, Oli Shaw, Dylan Easton, or George Oakley wouldn`t improve us, even in the short term? Iâm with you on the potential of Bray and Young, no doubt. But you`re comparing goals scored in League One to players who`ve proven themselves at Championship level. I get your point overall, and but I still feel we urgently need to bring in another striker in.
So does Lennon, so you can relax, there`s no point in bringing someone in that`s the same level as we have.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Wed 30 Jul 07:40
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 30 Jul 06:05
Quote:
RossDAFC88, Tue 29 Jul 22:52
Quote:
Shaggy`s Beard, Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up and I see no reason why Young, Bray and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season. In addition, John Tod, Mullen and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
Come on now, Oli Shaw, Dylan Easton, or George Oakley wouldn`t improve us, even in the short term? Iâm with you on the potential of Bray and Young, no doubt. But you`re comparing goals scored in League One to players who`ve proven themselves at Championship level. I get your point overall, and but I still feel we urgently need to bring in another striker in.
So does Lennon, so you can relax, there`s no point in bringing someone in that`s the same level as we have.
bringing a striker in that is the same level as Kane would be great as long as they have no history of repetitive injury issues.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 30 Jul 07:45
Quote:
Shaggy`s Beard, Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up and I see no reason why Young, Bray and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season. In addition, John Tod, Mullen and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
Good post until you said Easton, Shaw or Oakley would improve us that`s a wild statement. Shaw being the 5th top scorer in the league with 11 goals in a struggling Hamilton side is decent going I`d say.
Easton finished 2nd top scorer in the league with 13 goals and only missed one league game all season. George Oakley was 3rd top scorer and wasn't absent the whole league campaign. Kane, for all his quality, finished 6th and there`s no denying his ability, but he missed 8 games last season. Thatâs a huge chunk when he was and arguably still is our only consistent goal threat.
The worrying stat? We only won one game without him last season (Hamilton at home) and just one the season before (3-1 v Dundee Utd at home). That tells its own story on how important he is to the squad.
Kaneâs output is good when he is fit but we need someone with similar numbers who can also stay fit. Easton, Oakley and Shaw have all proven they can do that. Thatâs the level we should be aiming for if we want to push on. We can`t rely on kane.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 30 Jul 10:02
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cammypar 1995, Wed 30 Jul 07:45
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Shaggy`s Beard, Tue 29 Jul 22:02
Looking at the squad now compared to the one that finished last season I see a lot more scoring potential. Aside from the first half against Stirling we`ve been creating plenty of chances and sticking a good proportion away. Cooper and Tod have stepped up and I see no reason why Young, Bray and MacLeod can`t do the same. We also have a far better coaching staff and a more attacking ethos from Lennon. The recruitment so far has been very positive. I have no problem with the majority of them being youngsters. The notion that we can sign one or two "experienced" strikers is somewhat optimistic - certainly from the Scottish leagues, and the idea that there is a 20 goal a season player available is verging on farcical. The only player to score more than 20 league goals in Scotland was Alan Trouten and he`s more than twice the age of Andy Tod!
If there are strikers to be had they won`t be coming from Scotland, unless they are on loan from a Premiership team, which in turn means that they`re going to be youngsters looking for first team experience.
People keep banging on about Oli Shaw (11 league goals last season), Easton (13), or George Oakley (13). These players aren`t going to improve us. I`d much rather have the potential of Bray (10 goals) or Young (18), in conjunction with Kane (11) and midfielders like Todd and Hosler chipping in with a handful each season. In addition, John Tod, Mullen and Kearney also look like they`re capable of getting a few from wet pieces and the like.
Despite the poor results last season, a lot of those matches were very tight. Looking back, it would only have taken a goal here and there to turn a draw into a win and a defeat into a draw.
I really don`t think we`re going to have any trouble scoring goals this season and finishing in the top 4.
Good post until you said Easton, Shaw or Oakley would improve us that`s a wild statement. Shaw being the 5th top scorer in the league with 11 goals in a struggling Hamilton side is decent going I`d say.
Easton finished 2nd top scorer in the league with 13 goals and only missed one league game all season. George Oakley was 3rd top scorer and wasn`t absent the whole league campaign. Kane, for all his quality, finished 6th and there`s no denying his ability, but he missed 8 games last season. Thatâs a huge chunk when he was and arguably still is our only consistent goal threat.
The worrying stat? We only won one game without him last season (Hamilton at home) and just one the season before (3-1 v Dundee Utd at home). That tells its own story on how important he is to the squad.
Kaneâs output is good when he is fit but we need someone with similar numbers who can also stay fit. Easton, Oakley and Shaw have all proven they can do that. Thatâs the level we should be aiming for if we want to push on. We can`t rely on kane.
Itâs also worth pointing out Easton only scored a couple of goals from open play. Most were penalties along with a few free kicks.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 30 Jul 10:35
Stats are interesting but they don`t always tell the whole story. I would say Kane and Graham were by far the best all-round strikers in the Championship last season. As well as a good scoring ratio they both have that knack of `looking after the ball` and finding a team-mate even in tight situations. Oakley and Shaw never quite made it in the Premiership whilst Kane would probably still be playing there if it wasn`t for his injury record and McGlynn is prepared to give Graham another chance there despite his age.
There`s no guarantee either that someone who has avoided injury one season will have the same luck the next season. St Johnstone just signed a young striker from Caernarfon, Louis Lloyd. He broke a metatarsal in the LC games and needs surgery. Anton Dowds scored 9 goals in 11 games for Ayr at the start of last season then ruptured a cruciate ligament and is still recovering from it.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 30 Jul 10:59
Good post by Shaggy`s beard, but quoting long posts in their entirety every time is a bit irritating. Is there not a mechanism by which posters can quote a shortened version as happens on the EEB?
Agree that a proven goalscorer would be a very desirable addition to the squad but think it`s unlikely to materialise as it depends on a variety of factors. Availability, wage demands, etc. Some posters appear to think we have an almost bottomless budget to bring in new players.
Wishful thinking.......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 30 Jul 11:25
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Kdy Par, Wed 30 Jul 10:02
Itâs also worth pointing out Easton only scored a couple of goals from open play. Most were penalties along with a few free kicks.
36.36% of Chris Kaneâs 11 league goals were penalties(4).
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Wed 30 Jul 11:26)
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Wed 30 Jul 12:07
Good post Shaggy.
We were in for Oakley last season by all accounts however Ayr were offering better terms, not just to out gun us but one or two Premier leaguenl teams as well. He`d definitely have improved us.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 30 Jul 13:22
Re GG Riva,
I don`t believe for a minute that posters on here think we have an almost bottomless budget. However, given the level of our support and the new owners etc, we should be able to compete with at least half of the teams in the division. We also have a reputable and highly respected manager at the helm, so you`d like to think this would also strengthen our position in the market?
Post Edited (Wed 30 Jul 13:23)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 30 Jul 13:55
Re GG Riva at 10.59 and neilholland999 at 13.22
This is exactly how people should be responding on this site, the way neilholand999 has done to GG Riva here.
Instead of having to scroll through huge requotes of what people have said it would be much easier if they could just say who`s post, at what time, they are replying to
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 30 Jul 14:16
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neilholland999, Wed 30 Jul 13:22
Re GG Riva,
I don`t believe for a minute that posters on here think we have an almost bottomless budget. However, given the level of our support and the new owners etc, we should be able to compete with at least half of the teams in the division. We also have a reputable and highly respected manager at the helm, so you`d like to think this would also strengthen our position in the market?
Perhaps I didn`t express myself very well, Neil, but I definitely get the impression that some posters think Lennon still has plenty of money left in his players` budget. Maybe he has, but I think it`s far more likely that he`s been allocated a fixed budget.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 30 Jul 14:16
@neilholland999
Outside of Easton there is nothing to suggest we were competing with anyone for the players signed eleswhere?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 30 Jul 15:40
That might be the case dandy, but some people seem to be very dismissive of our ability to recruit decent quality (and experienced) players.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 30 Jul 16:09
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neilholland999, Wed 30 Jul 15:40
Decent quality and experience will be mulling over offers, i`d err on the side of patience.
We scraped survival the last two seasons, we`re not a draw unfortunately.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Fri 1 Aug 18:08
Taylor Sutherland now loaned back to Clyde until January. It was to be expected, hope he does well.
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