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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 20 Aug 20:27
Forgot about this match. It’s live on Sportsound.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Tue 26 Aug 19:24)
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Wed 20 Aug 20:38
Celtic have been rotten so far. Considering the money they make from Europe/player sales and "% add on fees" they are a poor side.
Rodgers hugely overrated imo.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 20 Aug 20:41
Celtic looking like the cheap barstewards they are.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 20 Aug 21:13
I’ve been told Rodger’s is very frustrated at Celtic’s lack of signings and watching this I can see why. They look bang average against this lot.
Have to say the Kazakhstan side look a bit better than I expected tho.
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Topic Originator: Bovril Man
Date: Wed 20 Aug 22:00
Celtic really are appalling. You struggle to imagine how they will go through over 2 legs.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 21 Aug 07:25
Many Celtic fans were laughing at Rangers on Tuesday evening, but they`re not laughing now. While their cause is not as hopeless as that of their fiercest rivals, they still have plenty to do to go through. I`ve only seen a few mins of highlights, but Kairat looked a useful side. They weren`t fazed by the huge Parkhead crowd and didn`t appear to have been affected by their long flight from Kazakhstan. Karate must fancy their chances of going through now.
These two games, involving Scotland`s most successful clubs, demonstrate just how relatively poor our game is on the European stage.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Aug 08:50
The Glasgow two only have themselves to blame. They don`t care about a competitive league that will test their teams. They just care about playing each other a hundred times a season so they have an excuse to smash things/people.
They spent years stealing the best players from the teams beneath them and complaining about a lack of competition. Sadly for them, the rich clubs will continue to get richer and richer and their "worldwide fans" will start to disappear.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 21 Aug 12:01
Honestly, I’ve got zero sympathy for the Glasgow pair. They’ve bled Scottish football dry for years, then when they get embarrassed in Europe by some minnows it’s suddenly “Scottish football” that’s the problem, not them. Its a red neck.
If the game here is ever going to improve, we need changes that make the whole league stronger, not just feed the problem. Couple of ideas:
The whole problem with Scottish football is the way the cash is sliced. Right now the SPFL put out a record £37.9m to the clubs last season. Sounds good, but 82% went to the Premiership, and even inside the top flight the split’s ridiculous – champions banked about £4.5m, while the bottom club got barely a third of that. That’s a 3:1 gap. For a 12-team league, that’s mental in comparison to leagues across Europe.
Meanwhile, Celtic and Rangers rake in tens of millions extra from UEFA. From 2024/25 the Champions League money’s gone up again to roughly €18.6m just for turning up, plus €2.1m a win, plus the new “value pillar” based on media or historical weight, which totally favours the big names. That’s before you even sell a ticket.
Scotland’s actually lost its automatic UCL group place from 25/26. We dropped out the top 10 in the coefficients, so now our teams have to get through qualifiers again. If anything, that proves how badly we need more than just the Old Firm competing in Europe while improving the Scottish product overall.
The EPL’s model is a good shout equal share, a merit slice, and a “facility fee” for TV appearances. Their top v bottom payout ratio is roughly 1.6:1. Ours is 3:1. No wonder the rest of the league can’t improve.
If we narrowed that gap to even 2:1 at then clubs like Hearts, Aberdeen, Hibs etc. could put together deeper squads, not just gamble everything on Europe qualifiers to boost their budgets. Even the Championship would benefit if the top flight stopped hoarding 82% of the pie. That way promoted sides aren’t immediately miles behind. Let the championship clubs keep their TV money instead of putting it into the "bigger pot". It will help reduce the finacal deficit of moving games from the conventional 4pm Saturday slots to Friday nights.
Alternatively bring in a solidarity top up. In the Netherlands, clubs who qualify for Europe kick a small % of UEFA cash back into the league for academies and infrastructure. Celtic/Rangers wouldn’t even notice losing a few % of €30m+, but it would transform what the rest can invest in.
At the end of the day, better balance throughout should equate to a more competitive league. This should mean more games worth watching outside the Old Firm and potentially more chance of coefficient points. The SPFL needs to stop protecting the ugly sisters and actually invest in the overall product, otherwise we’ll just keep going round in circles while our automatic Euro spots disappear.
The investment could also be a bonus for the better players in our national team.
For clarity, the old firm have already rejected some of the above proposals but won`t stop them complaining about the quality when they are part of the problem.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Thu 21 Aug 12:02)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Aug 12:31
It`ll never happen, unfortunately. There`s a risk that losing the Glasgow pair to the English leagues may result in them becoming an even bigger draw, but the reality is things are becoming more and more uneven. Both Celtic and Rangers need to accept they`re not "big" clubs anymore and that their consistent weakening of the competition doesn`t help them when it comes to playing in Europe, which is where they make their money!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 21 Aug 13:08
Quote:
jake89, Thu 21 Aug 12:31
It`ll never happen, unfortunately. There`s a risk that losing the Glasgow pair to the English leagues may result in them becoming an even bigger draw, but the reality is things are becoming more and more uneven. Both Celtic and Rangers need to accept they`re not "big" clubs anymore and that their consistent weakening of the competition doesn`t help them when it comes to playing in Europe, which is where they make their money!
When Rangers were demoted and became ranger 2.0 some clubs benefitted financially from the absence of one half of the “Old Firm.” Crowds for other teams often went up since the title race and European spots were more open without the same Glasgow duopoly. For instance:
St Johnstone, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Inverness and others all enjoyed more European qualification opportunities that they wouldn`t usually if rangers didn`t go down the tubes.Some clubs reported higher attendances and better gate receipts because fans felt the league was more competitive.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Aug 15:18
That`s what I`d hope would happen, Cammy. The risk of both going would be that younger fans become more interested in seeing Celtic and Rangers playing well known clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City etc rather than watch the Pars play Ayr. Almost all my youngest pals are already more into English football than Scottish as they can easily watch it on the TV. It would be great if the Pars (and the relevant authorities) could reach a point where you can subscribe to watch Pars games at home. It would hopefully entice more youngsters (and parents) to go along in person too.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 21 Aug 18:10
Quote:
jake89, Thu 21 Aug 15:18
That`s what I`d hope would happen, Cammy. The risk of both going would be that younger fans become more interested in seeing Celtic and Rangers playing well known clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City etc rather than watch the Pars play Ayr. Almost all my youngest pals are already more into English football than Scottish as they can easily watch it on the TV. It would be great if the Pars (and the relevant authorities) could reach a point where you can subscribe to watch Pars games at home. It would hopefully entice more youngsters (and parents) to go along in person too.
I hate watching games on TV. Its a far better experience in person.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 21 Aug 18:59
Excellent post from cammypar at 12.01.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 21 Aug 21:14
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 21 Aug 18:59
Excellent post from cammypar at 12.01.
Not a bad one, it`ll be mostly AI generated though
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Thu 21 Aug 21:51
Sort of wonder whose set of fans over reacted the most this week. Rangers booing after like 8 mins or Celtic chants of sack the board, a club whose won like 13/15 trophies or so on last few years. So much self entitlement.
Cammy post while good, a lot of these proposals weren’t all just rejected by old firm, so many clubs self interest especially in the last 12/15 years and lost opportunities including our own.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 22 Aug 06:55
The Old Firm can’t have it both ways. They hoover up the bulk of the cash in Scottish football, leaving scraps for everyone else, then moan about the “lack of competition” when they get bombed out in Europe by teams nobody’s heard of.
If you genuinely want competition, you need a level playing field, better distribution of TV money, prize money, youth development, the lot. They want the guaranteed domestic dominance and the cash that comes with it. Fine. But then don’t turn around and use the lack of competition as an excuse when you’re outclassed in Europe.
Truth is, in some of these so called “smaller” leagues the money’s spread around more evenly, so other clubs can actually develop. That makes them stronger in Europe. Meanwhile in Scotland, everything’s funnelled to two clubs, so nobody else grows, and the Old Firm stagnate the minute they step outside the Scottish football bubble.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Fri 22 Aug 07:09
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 21 Aug 21:14
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 21 Aug 18:59
Excellent post from cammypar at 12.01.
Not a bad one, it`ll be mostly AI generated though
Ah, here we go again "it’s all AI". Maybe next time try contributing something other than “it’s all AI”.
Keep going though, one day you might even get a badge of the most Predictable Poster on.net 2025. The current holder of that award seems to have fallen off the face of the earth so right now your probably bookies favourite.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Fri 22 Aug 07:11)
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Topic Originator: answer
Date: Fri 22 Aug 08:27
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 21 Aug 21:14
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 21 Aug 18:59
Excellent post from cammypar at 12.01.
Not a bad one, it`ll be mostly AI generated though
Interesting. What is about the post that makes you think it is AI generated?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 22 Aug 17:50
Quote:
answer, Fri 22 Aug 08:27
Quote:
red-star-par, Thu 21 Aug 21:14
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GG Riva, Thu 21 Aug 18:59
Excellent post from cammypar at 12.01.
Not a bad one, it`ll be mostly AI generated though
Interesting. What is about the post that makes you think it is AI generated?
I liked Cammy Par`s posts initially on here, he made some really good points, they were short and snappy, and had some good ideas (still does). Those posts were also very human, they weren`t perfect but they had a rawness and emotional element to them. He would often argue his point and try and dismiss the points made by others, and sometimes play the man, rather than the ball, which I liked.
Earlier in the year, the posts changed almost overnight, became very long-winded, and polished, neatly structured, and would tend to present some options initially before going into very precise details to justify those options, it was very academic, and totally devoid of the emotions that his posts had previously. I immediately recognised it as being AI generated, until it got to the point I was wondering if it was human at all or some AI Bot designed to get the forum talking.
Then he forgot to take out the final paragraph from one of his posts, the one that AI Apps will give you, to ask you if you want it to do something else, which gave the game away.
Since then he hasn`t been quite so bad, he has inserted bits of himself into the posts to make it seem like it`s a person, so we are starting to see a bit more of the old Cammy`s personality which is good. This particular post isn`t too bad, probably about 35% AI, mostly the facts and figures, and Cammy has typed quite a lot of it, and inserted some parts.
All in all, I`d just prefer the human Cammy Par back. He was far more entertaining
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 23 Aug 13:25
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Fri 22 Aug 06:55
The Old Firm can’t have it both ways. They hoover up the bulk of the cash in Scottish football, leaving scraps for everyone else, then moan about the “lack of competition” when they get bombed out in Europe by teams nobody’s heard of.
If you genuinely want competition, you need a level playing field, better distribution of TV money, prize money, youth development, the lot. They want the guaranteed domestic dominance and the cash that comes with it. Fine. But then don’t turn around and use the lack of competition as an excuse when you’re outclassed in Europe.
Truth is, in some of these so called “smaller” leagues the money’s spread around more evenly, so other clubs can actually develop. That makes them stronger in Europe. Meanwhile in Scotland, everything’s funnelled to two clubs, so nobody else grows, and the Old Firm stagnate the minute they step outside the Scottish football bubble.
Brugge have appeared in a European Cup final losing only by a single goal to the excellent Liverpool - hardly an unheard of club.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 23 Aug 16:53
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 23 Aug 13:25
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Fri 22 Aug 06:55
The Old Firm can’t have it both ways. They hoover up the bulk of the cash in Scottish football, leaving scraps for everyone else, then moan about the “lack of competition” when they get bombed out in Europe by teams nobody’s heard of.
If you genuinely want competition, you need a level playing field, better distribution of TV money, prize money, youth development, the lot. They want the guaranteed domestic dominance and the cash that comes with it. Fine. But then don’t turn around and use the lack of competition as an excuse when you’re outclassed in Europe.
Truth is, in some of these so called “smaller” leagues the money’s spread around more evenly, so other clubs can actually develop. That makes them stronger in Europe. Meanwhile in Scotland, everything’s funnelled to two clubs, so nobody else grows, and the Old Firm stagnate the minute they step outside the Scottish football bubble.
Brugge have appeared in a European Cup final losing only by a single goal to the excellent Liverpool - hardly an unheard of club.
Have you heard of Kairat, Lincoln Red imps, Progres niederkorn, Artmedia bratislava Before they sent the old firm packing?
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sat 23 Aug 16:54)
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 23 Aug 18:52
Kairat haven`t won yet and Celtic knocked Lincoln Red Imps out.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 23 Aug 19:04
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Sat 23 Aug 18:52
Kairat haven`t won yet and Celtic knocked Lincoln Red Imps out.
Still embarrassing results. The fact still remains that the old firm want their cake and eat it, but reality is catching up. They like the idea of proper competition domestically when they keep falling flat in Europe. Until they modernise properly and give the opportunities for domestic teams to mount some tough opposition , they’ll keep bottling it on the Champions League stage.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 26 Aug 19:23
ET and pens
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Tue 26 Aug 19:44)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 26 Aug 19:52
This is like some of the worst games at EEP under McPake.
Utter dross
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 26 Aug 19:53
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Tue 26 Aug 19:52
This is like some of the worst games at EEP under McPake.
Utter dross
I said this to my son. So sloppy and so slow
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Tue 26 Aug 19:58
Really, really hope this goes tits up for cellick. Absolutely awful to watch and don`t want them to get another £40 million or so for being diddies.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 26 Aug 19:59
Celtic are so poor. How Maeda has missed that chance as well 🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:00
HT in ET
I’m aboot aff the spar
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:03
I hope Celtic go through for the sake of scotlands coefficient. Mainly because I want us to retain at least 5 European spots, ideally with less qualifying rounds. Might be beneficial for us in the future if we can get in the premier or to a cup final.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:09
Three attempts in a few minutes by Engels hitting the first defender. Two corners and a free kick. Shocking.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:16
How woeful are Celtic ? Just unbelievably poor.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:17
Quote:
Never10yairds, Tue 26 Aug 20:03
I hope Celtic go through for the sake of scotlands coefficient. Mainly because I want us to retain at least 5 European spots, ideally with less qualifying rounds. Might be beneficial for us in the future if we can get in the premier or to a cup final.
Probably better for the coefficient that they drop to the Europa League and get some results there.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:18
Penalties
Celtic ❌ ❌ ✅ ✅ ❌
Kairat ❌ ✅ ✅ ✅
Celtic out
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Tue 26 Aug 20:30)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:28
Oot - GET IT UP THEM!
Own fault for not strengthening this summer. Rodgers will be gone now, not been backed at all.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:29
Hahahaha
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:29
Horrendous penalties particularly Idah`s
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:30
😂😂😂🤣🤣 Dug meat
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:30
Few terrible penalties from Celtic there.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:31
Few terrible penalties from Celtic there.
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:43
Just can’t understand how pro players can’t take decent penalties. Hitting them within a metre of the keeper is purely hoping he dives the wrong way. 9 times out of 10 a highly paid professional player should be able to hit the side netting with power, virtually guaranteeing a goal.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Tue 26 Aug 20:46
Rangers flying the flag for Scotland in the champions league this season
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Tue 26 Aug 21:13
Rangers will be out tomorrow as well.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 27 Aug 04:04
Celtic were woeful last night. Maeda misses so many chances 1v1 with the keeper. I’m sure he missed almost a carbon copy in one of the Old Firm games. Rangers will be sent packing tonight, and all the hopes of Scottish football will be on Hibs. It’s another season of glorious failure for Scottish teams in Europe. Not brilliant for the Scottish game in the grander scheme of things, but they only have themselves to blame.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 27 Aug 07:02
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Wed 27 Aug 04:04
Celtic were woeful last night. Maeda misses so many chances 1v1 with the keeper. I’m sure he missed almost a carbon copy in one of the Old Firm games. Rangers will be sent packing tonight, and all the hopes of Scottish football will be on Hibs. It’s another season of glorious failure for Scottish teams in Europe. Not brilliant for the Scottish game in the grander scheme of things, but they only have themselves to blame.
The Scottish game is dictated by 2 club`s which are guaranteed European football each year which gives them far greater wealth than all the others.There was a chance to change that 13 years ago but for whatever reason they opted for what we have now.
I actually delight when they fail in Europe because let`s face it, most of the club`s in Scotland will never get to play in Europe and enjoy the spoils that the big club`s get.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 27 Aug 07:17
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Tue 26 Aug 20:46
Rangers flying the flag for Scotland in the champions league this season
🤣😂🤣
I have several Sellick-supporting mates who were buzzing and gloating after Rangers dismal display last week, with cruel but funny comments like "The cry was no defenders." I warned them not to get too cocky before their own tie, but there was no telling them that football has a habit of kicking you in the teeth.
Ah well..... 😀
Not your average Sunday League player.
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