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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 20 Aug 20:27
Forgot about this match. It’s live on Sportsound.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Wed 20 Aug 22:00)
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Topic Originator: stevemac
Date: Wed 20 Aug 20:38
Celtic have been rotten so far. Considering the money they make from Europe/player sales and "% add on fees" they are a poor side.
Rodgers hugely overrated imo.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 20 Aug 20:41
Celtic looking like the cheap barstewards they are.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 20 Aug 21:13
I’ve been told Rodger’s is very frustrated at Celtic’s lack of signings and watching this I can see why. They look bang average against this lot.
Have to say the Kazakhstan side look a bit better than I expected tho.
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Topic Originator: Bovril Man
Date: Wed 20 Aug 22:00
Celtic really are appalling. You struggle to imagine how they will go through over 2 legs.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 21 Aug 07:25
Many Celtic fans were laughing at Rangers on Tuesday evening, but they`re not laughing now. While their cause is not as hopeless as that of their fiercest rivals, they still have plenty to do to go through. I`ve only seen a few mins of highlights, but Kairat looked a useful side. They weren`t fazed by the huge Parkhead crowd and didn`t appear to have been affected by their long flight from Kazakhstan. Karate must fancy their chances of going through now.
These two games, involving Scotland`s most successful clubs, demonstrate just how relatively poor our game is on the European stage.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Aug 08:50
The Glasgow two only have themselves to blame. They don`t care about a competitive league that will test their teams. They just care about playing each other a hundred times a season so they have an excuse to smash things/people.
They spent years stealing the best players from the teams beneath them and complaining about a lack of competition. Sadly for them, the rich clubs will continue to get richer and richer and their "worldwide fans" will start to disappear.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 21 Aug 12:01
Honestly, I’ve got zero sympathy for the Glasgow pair. They’ve bled Scottish football dry for years, then when they get embarrassed in Europe by some minnows it’s suddenly “Scottish football” that’s the problem, not them. Its a red neck.
If the game here is ever going to improve, we need changes that make the whole league stronger, not just feed the problem. Couple of ideas:
The whole problem with Scottish football is the way the cash is sliced. Right now the SPFL put out a record £37.9m to the clubs last season. Sounds good, but 82% went to the Premiership, and even inside the top flight the split’s ridiculous – champions banked about £4.5m, while the bottom club got barely a third of that. That’s a 3:1 gap. For a 12-team league, that’s mental in comparison to leagues across Europe.
Meanwhile, Celtic and Rangers rake in tens of millions extra from UEFA. From 2024/25 the Champions League money’s gone up again to roughly €18.6m just for turning up, plus €2.1m a win, plus the new “value pillar” based on media or historical weight, which totally favours the big names. That’s before you even sell a ticket.
Scotland’s actually lost its automatic UCL group place from 25/26. We dropped out the top 10 in the coefficients, so now our teams have to get through qualifiers again. If anything, that proves how badly we need more than just the Old Firm competing in Europe while improving the Scottish product overall.
The EPL’s model is a good shout equal share, a merit slice, and a “facility fee” for TV appearances. Their top v bottom payout ratio is roughly 1.6:1. Ours is 3:1. No wonder the rest of the league can’t improve.
If we narrowed that gap to even 2:1 at then clubs like Hearts, Aberdeen, Hibs etc. could put together deeper squads, not just gamble everything on Europe qualifiers to boost their budgets. Even the Championship would benefit if the top flight stopped hoarding 82% of the pie. That way promoted sides aren’t immediately miles behind. Let the championship clubs keep their TV money instead of putting it into the "bigger pot". It will help reduce the finacal deficit of moving games from the conventional 4pm Saturday slots to Friday nights.
Alternatively bring in a solidarity top up. In the Netherlands, clubs who qualify for Europe kick a small % of UEFA cash back into the league for academies and infrastructure. Celtic/Rangers wouldn’t even notice losing a few % of €30m+, but it would transform what the rest can invest in.
At the end of the day, better balance throughout should equate to a more competitive league. This should mean more games worth watching outside the Old Firm and potentially more chance of coefficient points. The SPFL needs to stop protecting the ugly sisters and actually invest in the overall product, otherwise we’ll just keep going round in circles while our automatic Euro spots disappear.
The investment could also be a bonus for the better players in our national team.
For clarity, the old firm have already rejected some of the above proposals but won`t stop them complaining about the quality when they are part of the problem.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Thu 21 Aug 12:02)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Aug 12:31
It`ll never happen, unfortunately. There`s a risk that losing the Glasgow pair to the English leagues may result in them becoming an even bigger draw, but the reality is things are becoming more and more uneven. Both Celtic and Rangers need to accept they`re not "big" clubs anymore and that their consistent weakening of the competition doesn`t help them when it comes to playing in Europe, which is where they make their money!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 21 Aug 13:08
Quote:
jake89, Thu 21 Aug 12:31
It`ll never happen, unfortunately. There`s a risk that losing the Glasgow pair to the English leagues may result in them becoming an even bigger draw, but the reality is things are becoming more and more uneven. Both Celtic and Rangers need to accept they`re not "big" clubs anymore and that their consistent weakening of the competition doesn`t help them when it comes to playing in Europe, which is where they make their money!
When Rangers were demoted and became ranger 2.0 some clubs benefitted financially from the absence of one half of the “Old Firm.” Crowds for other teams often went up since the title race and European spots were more open without the same Glasgow duopoly. For instance:
St Johnstone, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Inverness and others all enjoyed more European qualification opportunities that they wouldn`t usually if rangers didn`t go down the tubes.Some clubs reported higher attendances and better gate receipts because fans felt the league was more competitive.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Aug 15:18
That`s what I`d hope would happen, Cammy. The risk of both going would be that younger fans become more interested in seeing Celtic and Rangers playing well known clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City etc rather than watch the Pars play Ayr. Almost all my youngest pals are already more into English football than Scottish as they can easily watch it on the TV. It would be great if the Pars (and the relevant authorities) could reach a point where you can subscribe to watch Pars games at home. It would hopefully entice more youngsters (and parents) to go along in person too.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Thu 21 Aug 18:10
Quote:
jake89, Thu 21 Aug 15:18
That`s what I`d hope would happen, Cammy. The risk of both going would be that younger fans become more interested in seeing Celtic and Rangers playing well known clubs like Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City etc rather than watch the Pars play Ayr. Almost all my youngest pals are already more into English football than Scottish as they can easily watch it on the TV. It would be great if the Pars (and the relevant authorities) could reach a point where you can subscribe to watch Pars games at home. It would hopefully entice more youngsters (and parents) to go along in person too.
I hate watching games on TV. Its a far better experience in person.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 21 Aug 18:59
Excellent post from cammypar at 12.01.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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