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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 12:44
I’m on updates duty today folks but will keep this thread open and do my usual multitasking.
Please add the team if you get it before I get a team sheet, thanks.
Weather-wise it’s dry just now but BBC weather has predicted rain to be belting doon 3pm onwards, so mind yer wellies.
I’ll be heading to Legends 2pm-ish for a wee Coca Cola and a big boobie hug with oor Tracey.
Three points please today guys.
Mon the Pars!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 27 Sep 16:54)
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 27 Sep 13:01
A win, need to get show back on the road
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 13:15
Did anyone hear the Saturday show with Steven Mill and Amy Irons this morning? It was my big brother who took part in their quiz 😀.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Sep 13:28
If we want to be quick out the blocks today I can see Chris Kane starting
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:09
Good call Indiapar!
Terrell
Benedictus
Gilmour
Kearney
Cáceres
Amade
Macleod
Kane
A Tod
J Tod
Fraser
Subs
Munn
Hamilton
Otoo
Ritchie-Hosler
Todd
Abdulai
Stewart
Bray
Oakley-Boothe
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 27 Sep 14:11)
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:11
4 at the back?
COYP
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:14
Interesting lineup, nobody obvious to slot in at RCB, unless maybe Kearney goes there?
Or maybe Lennon has switched the system to 4 at the back
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:23
4-3-3 ? 4-2-3-1 ?
Kearney, Bene, J.Tod, Fraser
Amade, Gilmour
MacLeod Caceres A.Tod
Kane
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:25
I wonder when the Ghanaian lad will get a game?
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:40
Quote:
General Zod, Sat 27 Sept 14:25
I wonder when the Ghanaian lad will get a game?
I think Lennon and the club are probably just wanting to be patient and make sure he gets up to speed with the Scottish championship before chucking him into a game.
Not sure what his conditioning would`ve been like coming in from the Ghanaian league.
It does look like a 4231 or 433, I`d expect it`ll be the former with Andy Tod maybe playing the 10 role and having Càceres out wide to utilise his pace. Interesting to see how that works out
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:41
Acht, missing the start. Daft pup has chewed some plastic, shes puking blood. Ogf tae the vet.
Might get there in time for us switching on.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:49
Think it will be 4-2-3-1 with the three behind Kane buzzing about and trying to find pockets of space. Could work. Will be interesting to see how the back four works though. I`d probably have stuck with the three and brought Otoo, Hamilton or Abdulai in for Chilokoa-Mullen but good that Lennon isn`t wedded to a system like the dud at Old Trafford.
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:53
bbc has Amade at RCB but never sure how much theyre just guessing, or if theyve actually spoken to someone at the club
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 27 Sep 14:54
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 27 Sept 14:41
Acht, missing the start. Daft pup has chewed some plastic, shes puking blood. Ogf tae the vet.
Might get there in time for us switching on.
I`m sure you`ll still make your opinion heard though.
Hope the pup is okay!
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:00
Quote:
Jealous Furniture, Sat 27 Sept 14:53
bbc has Amade at RCB but never sure how much theyre just guessing, or if theyve actually spoken to someone at the club
Sometimes they have bene at striker and once had andy tod as CB, with john tod apparently on the bench however he was starting lol
COYP
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:00
The crowd looks a little lighter than usual today.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:03
Oh great, we`re 1-0 down.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:04
Wtf is it with us and gifting goals in the early stages
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:04
Defensively we are so weak
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:05
Cracking assist from Tod, cushioned header across his own penalty box on a plate for Watt.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 27 Sep 15:05)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:06
That the same Watt that people didn’t want us to sign scoring against us?
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:06
Ha ha! Couldn’t make it up
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Topic Originator: The Artful Dodger
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:07
Should be 1 each. Kane misses one on one, then not on our toes for the cut back a minute later.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:10
Ayr 2-0 up on Airdrie
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:11
Is it possible to get a refund on a season ticket?
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:11
Oh nelly
COYP
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:12
This is already pathetic ! 2-0 down ,
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:12
WTF is going on.
Did they think the season ended after Arbroath. Were a bloody shambles. Get the finger out FFS
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:12
Can we not get a decent goalie ffs
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:12
Some hit there. Moved all over the shop. Back four a disaster so far. Targeting Tod and the full backs who are inexperienced in this system.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:13
Keeper should have saved that
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:14
So much for me wanting to take the game to them and get the first goal !
Just as well I don`t do predictions
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:15
Just arriving to watch the comeback.
Pup is ok, need to keep an eye on her for a few days
Post Edited (Sat 27 Sep 15:17)
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:18
Never underestimate the Pars` desire to make games difficult for themselves.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:19
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 27 Sept 15:15
Just arriving to watch the comeback.
Pup is ok, need to keep an eye on her for a few days
^^^ Glad to hear it Parrot 👍
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: calum96
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:21
Lennon out
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:21
Looks like Arbroath was a freak result. Whatever Lennon is doing with these players, he’s going to have to do something else. He spoke about getting the right type of characters in. It’ll help if they actually have character to begin with.
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Topic Originator: ubisanman
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:21
Trying to watch this via the stick but it just keeps repeating the same 10 seconds so I`m giving up. Kind of relieved actually...
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:23
I see they are allowed to pull players down by the neck when they`re about to score into an empty net now. Cool.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:25
Would help if we had the right type of character in the dug out.
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Topic Originator: The Artful Dodger
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:26
We should’ve had at least 2 goals ourselves how on earth can we be 2 down.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:32
Decision making is woeful. That show from MacLeod? The shot straight at Cáceres when there was a man spare on the left? Short set pieces to nobody? What are they thinking out there?
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:32
To have Tod and Macleod as wide midfielders is madness, this is a bed Lennon needs to lie in. Totally wrong setup and has been punished.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:35
Lennon has arguably the second best CV in Scotland. You’ve got to wonder what’s going on with these players. Questions need to be asked here. Basically a whole new team and we are still making folk tear their hair out. Hmmm.
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Topic Originator: calum96
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:36
Lennon has had his chance. With the amount of money we’ve spent we should be winning most games not 2-0 down in the first 10 minutes. Thanks for keeping us up Lennon but time to go.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:36
Seen this picture too many times, another 7th or 8th placed finish incoming again
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:39
Change owners, managers and spending money on new players but here we are again.
Goalkeeper/defensive mistakes regularly. No other teams give us the same goals on a plate. Struggling to put the ball in the net again. Just reverting back to the same old rubbish we`ve had for years. So disappointing.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:41
It`s worth reflecting that we`re relying heavily on young players who are still learning. Youngest squad in the league I believe. Saying that, I`m not convinced by Lennon`s tactics over the past couple of weeks.
The young lads will come good but need set up to win. I`m hopeful we`ll still get something in this game. We actually have players who can score this season!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:42
And Ayr Utd are running riot right now!
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:43
Well the should`ve signed more experience like the other teams. The obsession with youth has kept us back long enough.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:45
Cáceres sent off
Down to ten men. Again.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:46
TOB will come on at half time I reckon. Don’t ask me why but I bet he does.
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Topic Originator: calum96
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:46
No time for learning Jake89 this isn’t kids football. Paid a mans wage you better act like a big boy and get the finger out.
Not good enough any game since Arbroath
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:47
Quote:
calum96, Sat 27 Sept 15:46
No time for learning Jake89 this isn’t kids football. Paid a mans wage you better act like a big boy and get the finger out.
Not good enough any game since Arbroath
I agree but you can`t put on kids and expect experience.
Cacares should know better though 🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: D.A. Eff Ceee
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:48
Jefferson is an idiot.
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Topic Originator: broontroot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:48
Quote:
calum96, Sat 27 Sept 15:36
Lennon has had his chance. With the amount of money we’ve spent we should be winning most games not 2-0 down in the first 10 minutes. Thanks for keeping us up Lennon but time to go.
Get a grip ffs
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:49
Correct Bertie.
Too many young boys, what do you expect.
And Lennon`s tactics are poor. Last 2 games being schooled in managing by 2 of his ex players
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:49
Shambles…….
‘Hello my name is Jefferson - I’m happy to be here let’s go!’
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:50
Lennon isn’t doing anything mcpake wouldn’t have done. His record at Dunfermline is crap considering the backing he’s had.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:51
Well that is the easiest red card of the season. What a plank
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:52
This is brutal.
Go forward go nobody
Trying to defend got nobody
This isn’t better than under any of the previous.
We are 1 nil down most weeks before we even get a chance to settle
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:52
Alot of huff and puff from Dunfermline. Suckered into another sending off. Too much passing around the back or sideways when in good positions. Not forward thinking or positive enough. Game was over after 20 minutes. Reminiscent a bit of last seasons games. Need a bit of a miracle now. This game tells me that Kane is nearing the end of his career. We look a mid table team really
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:52
Inexcusable. Utter shambles.
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:52
Lennon has been schooled by a Super Scoreboard pundit 😂 Supposed to be an experienced manager that’s embarrassing
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Topic Originator: calum96
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:53
Broontroot don’t know about you but I don’t fancy having Brechin away twice a year that’s how this will end up if it continues.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:54
Good grief. I wondered how long it would take for those obsessed with sacking managers to kick off. Embarrassing.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:54
Quote:
Parfect69, Sat 27 Sep 15:51
Well that is the easiest red card of the season. What a plank
What happened? Missed it from where I was sitting
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:54
Lennon now arguing with fans at front of the main stand as we come off at halftime.
Absolute tube getting red carded for that, should get a hefty club fine.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:54
What a farce of a half that was. Won`t get far if you flash the ball across the 6 yard box and nobody is there for it.
Hard to tell for the red card, first thought was the Thistle player has grabbed and pulled Caceres then went down like he was shot. Need to see a replay though.
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:55
Quote:
Indiapar1, Sat 27 Sep 15:52
Alot of huff and puff from Dunfermline. Suckered into another sending off. Too much passing around the back or sideways when in good positions. Not forward thinking or positive enough. Game was over after 20 minutes. Reminiscent a bit of last seasons games. Need a bit of a miracle now. This game tells me that Kane is nearing the end of his career. We look a mid table team really
I’d bite your hand off for a mid table position. This young squad aren’t good enough at this level. I’m really disappointed in Lennon as well, woeful stuff
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:55
Quote:
calum96, Sat 27 Sep 15:36
Lennon has had his chance. With the amount of money we’ve spent we should be winning most games not 2-0 down in the first 10 minutes. Thanks for keeping us up Lennon but time to go.
Get a grip
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:56
We`re playing our home games as if we are the away team. Two second halves in succession, we play with 10 men. This is unacceptable.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:56
Loving it. Passion. Drama. Going forward. I’d rather a player gets sent off caring than silently sitting back and swearing. COYP. 2-2 I hope! Get back to back three and push forward. Subs from half time. Big new defender on. Tod off ( Mcleaod has been impressive) and the new striker on
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:58
Back 4 has not worked. You can’t give teams two goal starts but take nothing away both goals were top drawer. We lack experience and that has been exposed again. Pars had plenty chances to get back in it. Jefferson let everyone one down deserved red. Game over
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Topic Originator: calum96
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:59
Owners must be seething. Hundreds of thousands on transfer fees for Lennon to sign a bunch of jobbers
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Sep 15:59
I can`t see us turning this around without a big change in performance. Partick will rely on the quick break.and we could lose a couple more. We need an early goal, change up front and a bit of luck
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:00
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Sat 27 Sep 15:54
Lennon now arguing with fans at front of the main stand as we come off at halftime.
Absolute tube getting red carded for that, should get a hefty club fine.
Great! Did see him stopping on the way down the track. It’s only natural that people are going to be starting to ask questions of him.
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Topic Originator: evo!
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:03
Shambles, and the red card means no hope here.
Laid first goal on a plate. Second we lost the ball, though it was a good strike
We have had a few chances, assuming the change to a back 4 and more attacking players has helped us look a bit more creative, but it`s been all pretty tippy happy still.
I have only been at this and aye so far this season, and can`t argue with some of the results pre these two games, but I`m not sure the loss of Rudden can be the excuse. Not impressed with Kearney defensively at all, Bene and Tod don`t make a great back 2.
While I don`t think the formation change was the reason for the loss of goals, but surely we could have put Hammy/Otoo/new guy in?
Gilmour and Amade look steady players but ..nothing more. We have seen J Tod and JCM drag the ball all the way to the opponents box in games, but these two just don`t offer anything like it
Caceres..what a plonker.
So what now..get it to a back 3, and go with our more tried and tested formation, and hope Kane can **** fest something a la that Morton game last season...oh wait he is subbed off
BEAST!
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:03
"Hard to tell for the red card, first thought was the Thistle player has grabbed and pulled Caceres then went down like he was shot. Need to see a replay though."
Would like to see that again but that may have been the case.
Gift of a first goal and too much space given for the second. Difficult one for the keeper as it swerved and dipped alot.
We need to vary our attacks more to have some through balls for players to run onto rather than relying almost entirely on crossing the ball.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:04
Mental, team set up poorly again, Tod and McLeod as a wide midfielders which we lost the centre of the park, Kane way of the pace and Jefferson can’t get in the game.
John Tod with a great assist in the first minute to set the tone. Some players out there look lost and like this level is too much for them.
They came at us quick and we folded….again.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:05
I’m 44 years old and this season I bought my first ever season ticket. I thought finally something special was happening and that spending that money would be worth it. I’m starting to feel duped. I hope things start to change and soon. I don’t want Lennon sacked as I like the guy but I’ve a sneaky feeling he won’t be around for long. This is all on him.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:11
The first half performances are alarming. Three games in a row (and we were lucky against St Johnstone not to be 2 or 3 down) that we`ve started so poorly.
The seemingly freak result against Arbroath aside, that`ll be 4/5 losses against the top half sides. The concerning thing is the performances have dipped after the St Johnstone game.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:18
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 27 Sep 15:54
Good grief. I wondered how long it would take for those obsessed with sacking managers to kick off. Embarrassing.
You’ve been proven wrong time and time again when it comes to managers. You backed mcpake and tidser until it was verging on embarrassing.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:25
Quote:
Bamba-Daft, Sat 27 Sept 16:18
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 27 Sep 15:54
Good grief. I wondered how long it would take for those obsessed with sacking managers to kick off. Embarrassing.
You’ve been proven wrong time and time again when it comes to managers. You backed mcpake and tidser until it was verging on embarrassing.
Except I didn`t. Neither of them.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:41
It`s the hope that kills you... season after season, after season.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:43
At least Terrell is getting a workout.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:43
Boothe is not good.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:44
It going to be an up and down season I think. Partick, irrespective of going down to 10 men are the better side. They are the yardstick for a club like ours in where we need to be if we want to seriously challenge at the top of the division
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:47
I think we hoped for too much in Lennons first full season.
He said it will take time.
He has fecked up the subs though. He must have seen Benne struggling before the last 2 subs
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Topic Originator: galapar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:48
I never want to see anyone lose their job. Do think Mr Lennon will last due to his CV. Plenty money been spent, lots of hopes but nothing has changed.
Can only hope things improve for the sake of everyone but to argue with the fans doesn’t help regardless.
Onwards and upwards COYP
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:49
The players are probably struggling with the high expectations put on them. How do you solve that? Fans should be patient with young players but there are some concerning issues here. People are starting to grumble a bit and they are within their rights to do so.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:50
Partick have a tendancy to sign proven good championship players a blend their youth with experience.
We just have this youth obsession that gets us knowhere. The team is way too young and inexperienced.
We`re trying to be too smart with identities and visions, rather than use a bit of common sense. Just spend the money on guys who are good at this level. We certainly had the money for it. Look at the fees we`ve dished out.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:50
Nothing has changed?
Nonsense
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:51
Hard to be too critical of the overall play when we`ve created so many gilt-edged chances, especially in the first half and didn`t take any of them. Would also like to see the one where it looked to me Kane was hauled down when he was about to nod it into an empty net - red card and penalty there and suddenly it`s a different game. Some decent defending and goalkeeping in the second half too. Was actually much more disappointing on Tuesday tbh as Partick are at least pretty good whereas Ayr were pretty rubbish. Looking like mid table avain this season which is a shame as play offs were there to be reached, but if experienced guys aren`t prepared to drop a level or join for the wages we can offer then what can you do?
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:56
Just screams of inexperience to me
One down straight away, full backs so naive all game getting twisted in and turned and a stupid sending off. Iam growing a bit tired of wee nearly scored… we didn’t and we’ve been beat at home again. There is improvements though
Effe
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:56
Thistle managed the game well ultimately. Can`t be giving away early goals every game. Terrell did well second half to keep the score down. Defence looks weak and has done all season.
Need to see the red again, but whatever happened you need to avoid situations where the ref can hand out a red...don`t get involved. A real blow to have Caceres out with suspension now.
Pars falling into too many predictable patterns like last season. Playing it down the wings to cross, but who is getting on the end of it?
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 27 Sep 16:57
8 points out of 24. Hey, at least we’re not bottom though, right? RIGHT?? Take away the five goals against part-time Arbroath and we’d possibly the lowest scorers in the league. Same old, same old.
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:02
First half we actually played quite well, but if you give away a goal, get a stupid sending off and fluff 3/4 great chances then it doesn`t matter how well you play. I thought it might have been over the line after it hit the bar...not sure if Kane was fouled or not but that is the way the ball has been bouncing for us the last few games.
We moved the ball quite sharply first half, the young keeper did well...nothing much else positive. Second half Thistle`s experienced showed, they kept the ball, used the width of the pitch and should have added a few more.
Caceres deserves a 3 week fine for that headbutt. Taking Kane off at half time didn`t work, Stewart was like a headless chicken up there - not entirely his fault. You can`t bring on TOB with 10 men either, he is a luxury with 11.
Beat Queens Park next week and it will have been a poor 1st quarter...
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Topic Originator: galapar
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:03
Nothing has changed…..nonsense???
I must be wrong??? if you could enlighten me i’d be grateful.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:03
That was terrible. Nothing good to be taken from that. Midfield out worked all day. I don’t know why we drop as deep as we do without becoming compact. Wide open spaces and they were walking into them. I’m glad they took the foot of the pedal otherwise it would have been 5.
When it was 11v11, we missed our chances. Kane should have at-least one. He was 1v1 with the keeper and missed. I don’t know what happened with the other one that seemed to bounce of the bar.
Most infuriating thing is the work rate. Not good enough.
COYP
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:04
The game was done after 10 minutes really. Obviously when Jefferson gets sent off that kills any chance of an unlikely comeback.
I thought after the St Johnstone game, this team was starting to look like they could start to kick on and get wins against the sides around the top of the table, the last two home games have been absolutely pathetic performances against sides who really haven`t had to do a whole lot.
A lot of thinking for Lennon with his own tactics and team selections as well as some of the players needing to step up and perform much better, especially at the start of games.
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Topic Originator: The Artful Dodger
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:04
The sending off killed us. Up until that point we were still in the game. O Reilly grabs Caceres and swings him by the scruff from what I watched, Carceres then retaliated. The ref must’ve missed O Reilly’s part or he would’ve been binned as well. Lack of concentration from Tod early on has cost of the first goal, then not closing down the shot for the second. We didn’t take any of our chances. Second half we offered nothing. We’ll struggle to survive in this league if we insist on giving these cheap goals away. 3 losses on the bounce is never good enough in this division.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:05
Quote:
Bucuresti Par, Sat 27 Sept 17:02
First half we actually played quite well, but if you give away a goal, get a stupid sending off and fluff 3/4 great chances then it doesn`t matter how well you play. I thought it might have been over the line after it hit the bar...not sure if Kane was fouled or not but that is the way the ball has been bouncing for us the last few games.
We moved the ball quite sharply first half, the young keeper did well...nothing much else positive. Second half Thistle`s experienced showed, they kept the ball, used the width of the pitch and should have added a few more.
Caceres deserves a 3 week fine for that headbutt. Taking Kane off at half time didn`t work, Stewart was like a headless chicken up there - not entirely his fault. You can`t bring on TOB with 10 men either, he is a luxury with 11.
Beat Queens Park next week and it will have been a poor 1st quarter...
Do you genuinely think we played quite well first half?
Interested to hear why you thought that, as ln every measure I thought we were awful!
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:05
Give it time ffs,we are only 3 points away for what was supposed to be our target ,the playoffs We will come good
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Topic Originator: calum96
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:08
Not good enough. Lennon out, loan half the team out and give the young boys a chance can’t be any worse than this lot
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:08
We all know we are building a team here , so I am not expecting to win every week against streetwise teams ,
But I was certainly hoping we would cut out the mistakes and gifts to give opposing teams easy goals , then a mountain to climb for us
As for taking our chances we needed someone of quality to put it into the net
We all know the young players will be hot and cold
Hopefully NL can get the mistakes / gifts sorted out because that alone would give us a fighting chance to actually win a game
I still live in hope
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:09
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 27 Sept 17:05
Give it time ffs,we are only 3 points away for what was supposed to be our target ,the playoffs We will come good
Give what time exactly?
3 defeats in 3 games, sloppy goals and unnecessary tinkering in the team / formation. But giving it time will fix that.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:10
What a terrible recipe, gift goals away, miss sitters then go down to ten. Beat ourself today. Very frustrating
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:12
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 27 Sept 17:05
Give it time ffs,we are only 3 points away for what was supposed to be our target ,the playoffs We will come good
I agree with you, but at the same time we are only 4 points above 9th place which is currently occupied by Ross County. I can`t see them being at the foot of the table for too much longer.
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Topic Originator: nightboat
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:13
Another hugely disappointing game and result. I’m really not sure if we can hope for much at all this season. 8 from 24 is a shocking return for a team that had so much promise. The new owners must wonder what they’ve bought and what they have employed, or maybe it’s their software that’s the problem? Is the data not working or forcing the manager to look at players that are just not good enough for this league?
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:14
Quote:
DBA, Sat 27 Sep 17:09
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sat 27 Sept 17:05
Give it time ffs,we are only 3 points away for what was supposed to be our target ,the playoffs We will come good
Give what time exactly?
3 defeats in 3 games, sloppy goals and unnecessary tinkering in the team / formation. But giving it time will fix that.
Yes i think it will
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:15
Too say we haven’t improved is nonsense 😂.
We do lack experience and quality outside the first 11. Jefferson will be a big miss he has been fantastic but deserved his red.
There was some excellent football after the two goals went in. We should have had a couple of goals.
Team needs to reset and try and get back on track against queens.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:16
Quote:
galapar, Sat 27 Sept 17:03
Nothing has changed…..nonsense???
I must be wrong??? if you could enlighten me i’d be grateful.
I dont think anyone could.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:19
Is it me or.are the refs just crap? Not justifying Cacares` action but how you miss a grab at a player`s neck? And also a dragging down when through on goal? It`s p*** poor.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:21
Quote:
nightboat, Sat 27 Sept 17:13
Another hugely disappointing game and result. I’m really not sure if we can hope for much at all this season. 8 from 24 is a shocking return for a team that had so much promise. The new owners must wonder what they’ve bought and what they have employed, or maybe it’s their software that’s the problem? Is the data not working or forcing the manager to look at players that are just not good enough for this league?
The new owners can see beyond a few defeats. I dont think they expect to challenge for promotion this year.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:25
PARrot wrote:
> Quote:
nightboat, Sat 27 Sept 17:13
>
> Another hugely disappointing game and result. I’m really not
> sure if we can hope for much at all this season. 8 from 24 is a
> shocking return for a team that had so much promise. The new
> owners must wonder what they’ve bought and what they have
> employed, or maybe it’s their software that’s the problem?
> Is the data not working or forcing the manager to look at
> players that are just not good enough for this league?
>
> The new owners can see beyond a few defeats. I dont think they
> expect to challenge for promotion this year.
I`m pretty sure a promotion play-off place would (and should given the investment in both the manager and the team) be on their agenda
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:29
What a shambles we are.
Progressively getting worse and the run of fixtures we have coming up means we could be second bottom come next weekend.
Bene needs dropped, Boothe shouldn’t be near the squad, attitude and application is shocking.
Lennon needs to shoulder the blame regarding team setup as it’s not working.
Two games in a row and two red card for ridiculous decision making, he talks about self discipline and obviously it appears to be in one ear and out the other.
Benes hamstring appears to have gone.
In an utter shambles.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:29
The Tod’s look every bit the inexperienced raw players they are and are making mistakes all over the place. how are we relying on these guys every week given our budget? Kearney looks very poor defensively and constantly caught out. Quite a few have no had more bad games than good so far this season.
They were night and day better than us all over the park and that was before the red card. You can’t play tod, jeffy and mcloed in the same team, they are luxuary players who don’t really compete to win the ball back.
We actually look in a bit of trouble as a team now, Jefferson won’t get space except in the away games and now missing for 3 games and no one else has any imagination with the ball. We have no focus point to our team and back to not looking like we’ll score anytime soon.
Losing faith in Lenny, doesn’t look capable of setting th team up properly and it’s hanging some of these guys out to dry.
A bit worried, young players tend to struggle when the going gets tough and we have very little physicality to compete where it matters.
Post Edited (Sat 27 Sep 17:30)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:34
Well. That was a complete disaster. I lost count of the crosses into the box across the face of goal but no feet getting it into the net. I held my breath every time it happened.
Losing such a early goals and then the sending off didn’t help. I hoped we would regroup - and we did have some flashes - both Kane and Cáceres tried - but it was hard to watch.
I thought Cáceres had elbowed the thistle player (and rightly carded for it) before the handbags came out.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:35
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 27 Sep 17:29
The Tod’s look every bit the inexperienced raw players they are and are making mistakes all over the place. how are we relying on these guys every week given our budget? Kearney looks very poor defensively and constantly caught out. Quite a few have no had more bad games than good so far this season.
They were night and day better than us all over the park and that was before the red card. You can’t play tod, jeffy and mcloed in the same team, they are luxuary players who don’t really compete to win the ball back.
We actually look in a bit of trouble as a team now, Jefferson won’t get space except in the away games and now missing for 3 games and no one else has any imagination with the ball. We have no focus point to our team and back to not looking like we’ll score anytime soon.
Losing faith in Lenny, doesn’t look capable of setting th team up properly and it’s hanging some of these guys out to dry.
A bit worried, young players tend to struggle when the going gets tough and we have very little physicality to compete where it matters.
Utter drivel!! We derserved a point against Saints and didn’t deserve to lose against Ayr. Young players won’t get better without experience. Rather watch this than the utter garbage served up over the last 3-4 seasons.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:36
For the first time ever - and I’m awa to sit doon - I agree with you BannockburnPar.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:37
I agree with the earlier comment re inexperience. Partick were the better side and deserved to win. They had much more movement and inventiveness up front than we did. They won the game in 20 minutes. It looked a bit like boys against men at times, particularly in the second half albeit we were down to 10 men. I wouldn`t quite be writing off Matty Todd just yet. He looks a better option in midfield than some of the others right now.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:37
Not that i ever thought we would, but the club must have thought we would be pushing for play offs, because they and Lennon came out and said they`d be looking to challenge for the title next season...we`re a looong way from any of that at this moment in time
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:41
Obviously, I need to see the replay, but I thought at the time that O`Reilly grabbed Caceres with two hands and pulled him into him and then wallet down as if he had been shot.
However, more likely, I had the black and white tinted glasses on.
A shocking start, we could and should have equalised, but you should never leave Chalmers with that much space.
Easy to say it after the game, but he is exactly the player we need, and I have been saying that for 2 or 3 seasons now.
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:41
Pars created some decent chances in the first half and on another day they would have scored a couple of goals.
The Cáceres sending off meant no way back. He is such an important play maker.
KRH whipped in some decent crosses in the second half is about al that can be said of the second half performance.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:54
Created about five good chances in the first half. Take none. Lose two pi55 poor goals as usual. Cacares can gtf for a few weeks as far as I`m concerned he absolutely killed us with the red.
Second half went about as good as we could have hoped for.
That`s the last five goals we`ve lost and the other team hasn`t had to do a lick of work for any of them.
There`s not a lot wrong but something needs to change, stop shooting ourselvses in the foot every game would be a start.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 27 Sep 17:54
2 game ban for Caceres, not 3 as suggested further up.
"We look a mid table team really"
we arent even that, our best eleven when available might compete now and again but as a squad it is nowhere near good enough which has been shown not just the last few games but the last few years.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:08
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Sat 27 Sep 15:54
Quote:
Parfect69, Sat 27 Sep 15:51
Well that is the easiest red card of the season. What a plank
What happened? Missed it from where I was sitting
A right hook flush in the puss. More at home outside The Foundry than on a football pitch
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:09
Absolute shitshow
We badly need some experience in as some of these boys look absolutely lost when the going gets tough. Another game with no goal with Lennon at the helm, that’s 4 blanks out of 7 this season.
The game is over when we lose the first goal.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:23
I think our game has improved considerably over last season. In the championship though it`s more that that in my view. The game showed our lack of experience. Maybe not lucky today, but you make your own luck. It`s blatantly obvious that we can`t be losing goals early. Teams like Partick can defend a one goal lead all day. That`s what it takes to get into the playoffs. The inexperience in games like this will sink us. We need an old head in that team either in the middle or upfront.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:28
I’m not going to give an over analytical view on what was blatantly just a poorly set up Pars team with terrible tactical changes once down to 10 men.
But the decision to consistently give TOB game time has to be questioned. I’ve seen some on here speak of there being “ a player in there “ but I couldn’t disagree more strongly. He looks like he thinks he is a player but that’s as far it goes. He’s never positively impacted the team and reeks of unwarranted arrogance.
Another note, is it naive to write a player off after 1 game? Normally yes. But Barney is not what we have ever needed. If guys like Taylor Sutherland are loaned out, bringing in players recovering from injury with no worth while championship experience to talk about is a slap in the face for these lads.
Kane did look a bit rusty. That’s what happens when you’re out injured and once fit again only drip fed the last 5 minutes of games.
I think Lennon is the man for the job but I believe his confidence in certain players whilst being unwilling to give others game time will hinder us this season as much as lack of experience.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:31
St Johnstone we were a bit unlucky.
Ayr down to 10 we put up a fight.
Today we were a poor footballing side - If Partick had converted some of those SH chances they could have buried us today.
Where was the guile and craft of previous games, the clever corners, the fast attacking press?
Charlie Gilmour - That’s three games he’s noticeably dropped his standards. We need him fired up again.
TOB - Hard enough playing with 10 but playing with 9!
Thought KRH did well and energised the attack when he came on.
We play QP next week - lose that and we are looking at the wrong end of the table. No excuses……….
‘Hello my name is Jefferson - I’m happy to be here let’s go!’
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Topic Originator: The Boss
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:31
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Sat 27 Sep 16:50
Partick have a tendancy to sign proven good championship players a blend their youth with experience.
We just have this youth obsession that gets us knowhere. The team is way too young and inexperienced.
We`re trying to be too smart with identities and visions, rather than use a bit of common sense. Just spend the money on guys who are good at this level. We certainly had the money for it. Look at the fees we`ve dished out.
100% this! I don’t know who is scouting these players (analytics) but you could ask someone from the stand to go out and get some better players for this division.
I like black and white (dreaming of black and white)
You like black and white
Run run away
Post Edited (Sat 27 Sep 18:53)
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:44
Just home, honestly think that was awful and more in line with what we became used to under McPake. Which is alarming, as I said that on Tuesday night as well.
I can’t believe that I’m reading comments that Lennon must go, that’s bonkers this early, but he is not free of any blame. I think he’s getting little things wrong, but it’s not that bad, is it??
I can’t get the formation change out of my head, when I saw the line up, I questioned why and I still don’t get why we changed. The squad is built for 5-3-2 and it has worked this far, so why change it?? Does he really have no faith in Abduali??? The lad has not kicked a ball for us in competitive action, surely today was the right time. You would be expecting our media team to be asking questions, but I doubt it will happen.
Again we start slow and again we give away 2 sloppy goals. I did wonder if the 2nd goal was poor Goalkeeping, but it may just have been the angle that I had of it, but it was a lovely strike from Chalmers. All in all though, I thought Terrell did well, few big saves to keep the score down in the 2nd Half and alit better with the ball at his feet than Munn. I’d be tempted to stick with him….but I do understand the comments that Mehmet is the best keeper at the club, and probably couldn’t argue against that.
I thought after the second goal, we actually played alright. We were creating chances and we looked like we might just get back into the game, then the sending off happened.
I can’t comment on the sending off because I’m genuinely not sure what happened. Caceres looked to be pulled down by the neck and when the whistle went, I thought it was our Free Kick, turned round to say something to the lads behind me, turned back and saw all hell kicking off. When the red was shown, I wondered if it was to the Partick player pushing him, then released it was for Caceres, so can’t comment. What I will say though is that, without him, our creative threat disappears and that was the same again today.
I then felt we just plodded through the rest of the game, no real intent, no real urgency, but Partick getting chances that they should have burried. The only sub worth mentioning was KRH, he looked lively and tried but was isolated. Stewart looked well off it. He lost 3 challenges in the air without as much as a whimper, and when the ball was at his feet, he again lost it. Yes, nothing fell for him, but on today’s 45 minutes, he looked like a lower league player to me.
Frustrated, I thought we would have less of these sorts of performances this season, and expected us to kick on after the Arbroath game, but here we are, asking questions. Lennon needs to step up and show leadership, not argue with fans, it’ll be interesting to hear what he has to say, we’ve bought into him, he needs to start showing us that he can turn this ill discipline, soft defending and squandered chances around.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:44
Quote:
The Boss, Sat 27 Sep 18:31
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Sat 27 Sep 16:50
Partick have a tendancy to sign proven good championship players a blend their youth with experience.
We just have this youth obsession that gets us knowhere. The team is way too young and inexperienced.
We`re trying to be too smart with identities and visions, rather than use a bit of common sense. Just spend the money on guys who are good at this level. We certainly had the money for it. Look at the fees we`ve dished out.
100% this! I don’t know who is scouting these players (analytics) but you could ask someone from the stand to go and out and get some better players for this division.
Hopefully get answers on Tuesday night. Certainly going to be a little more uncomfortable for them as it would have been with more wins
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:47
Angus I’m not sure we can have a go at Gilmour in there. It was him and amade being totally overrun and outnumbered in midfield while Jeffy, Tod and McLeod made token efforts to help and rarely tracked any runs.
Jeffy gets away with it as he’s quality and is always moving and trying to create space when we get the ball back, the other 2 on the other hand….
We are just not competing physically in this physical league. Some of our players are actively shying away from challenging for the ball when it’s in the air.
Post Edited (Sat 27 Sep 18:53)
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Topic Originator: xgatespars
Date: Sat 27 Sep 18:51
Even 2 nil down i thought we were still in with a chance, Partick only had 2 chances and knocked them in. But still had the hope of getting a goal b4 halftime would be massive. Then getting sent off for a moment of stupidity, killed us off. The happy clappers along from me in main stand clapping cacares off should be ashamed of themselves!!! What are u clapping him for? Being an idiot and ending all hope of getting back into it.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sat 27 Sep 19:00
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 27 Sep 18:47
Angus I’m not sure we can have a go at Gilmour in there. It was him and amade being totally overrun and outnumbered in midfield while Jeffy, Tod and McLeod made token efforts to help and rarely tracked any runs.
Jeffy gets away with it as he’s quality and is always moving and trying to create space when we get the ball back, the other 2 on the other hand….
"The other 2" have been very good and a joy to watch for me so far this season. A genuine highlight. When Cooper is back I am sure you will redirect your ire back towards him.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 27 Sep 19:06
Cooper wouldn’t have made any difference today and is in the same boat as these guys. The set up was all wrong, we can’t play 3 young inexperienced number 10’s in the team and expect to get much as we are seeing and they are too easy to play against. Add this to our defenders racking up the assists for opponents and you can see why we’re struggling.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Sat 27 Sep 19:29
We are far too slow out the blocks. Silly goals.
When we go forward we look woeful
When we defend always slow to react to the 2nd ball.
We badly need some experienced heads in that team or the youth won’t develop.
Another thing to add - No seen Bray all season then chuck him on when getting beat. Todd told to leave and comes on the day.
It’s all confusing and adds to another wasted Saturday
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 27 Sep 19:50
I lost count of the number of times in pre-season, I called for a few experienced heads to be signed to help us get through losing runs such as this.
You can’t play the young lads every week. Football is all about the right blend and balance. We don’t have that with this squad.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 27 Sep 20:08
There`s no point in discussing the mistakes during the game and saying this must change and that must change. Things won`t really change while we keep playing these young boys.
As ive said previously, its on the owners, recruitment should have been better.
Until that happens its going to be more of the same throughout the season
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 27 Sep 20:27
With the turnover in the squad, things will take time. It`s been covered that they weren`t able to bring in several experienced targets for multiple reasons. I think there`s enough in this team to find a way to stay in the hunt for 4th.
We`ll be up and down this season, as will most of the division. From what I`ve seen so far, St Johnstone will run away with the league, Partick Thistle and Raith look strong for 2nd/3rd. After that? Nobody has been impressive, Ayr have had injuries, but certainly weren`t anything special against us and had to hang on against 10 men.
Need Lennon and the players to rally a little bit and find a gritty performance in them next week against QP. Going back to the system the players are now used to playing, might need to manage the time of Andy Tod and MacLeod who looked a little fatigued to me today. The key thing is to stay solid from the kickoff and build into the game, we`re creating chances, just need to get back to putting them away like at Gayfield.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 27 Sep 21:09
I don`t think anyone would suggest otherwise Raymie but you can`t force someone to sign for you! It sounds like our experienced targets went elsewhere, weren`t prepared to drop a level or weren`t happy with the wages offered. Nothing you can do about that. Could also end up with experience like Wotherspoon or O`Halloran or Wanyama and we just get the same outcome but with more paid out in wages.
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 27 Sep 21:12
Bene can’t play in a back 4 either, he gets caught far too much without the extra protection. Am surprised there hasn’t been more comments on the full backs today who were getting best at ease. Honestly deflated after today’s defeat but still hold more hope for these players than last years
Effe
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 27 Sep 22:18
Why is Lennon tinkering with the team?
We played perfect football at Arbroath then he dropped both Tod brothers one of who scored 3 goals.
I don’t think he knows what he’s doing sometimes but playing Billy Big Baws to prove a point he’s in charge.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 27 Sep 22:37
He seems to be trying to “utilise the squad” to give players some rest to keep them fresh, not many of the players who have come in have played many games in a row at anywhere near this level.
Problem is it appears we can’t rest certain players who maybe need it (both the Tod’s, kearney and McLeod based on today) but we can’t as there’s no quality to come in for them despite plenty bodies on the bench.
Instead he’s resting players like amade and putting his pal boothe in which is never going to work and giving Kane 5 minutes at the end of games then starting him instead of upping his minutes. Plus his tactics are leaving some of the players exposed especially to 2 on 1’s when the wing backs don’t get support.
So I agree Adam, he’s on a power trip to an extent. He’s maybe also trying to make a point to the owners re squad depth, the results will certainly get their attention that’s for sure.
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Topic Originator: DNCH
Date: Sun 28 Sep 02:43
We have an enormous squad of young players and a coaching team figuring out what works. If we finish mid-table that`s a step forward and we`ll know which players have what it takes and which ones don`t.
I absolutely will not doubt the experience and ability of Neil Lennon. If we won on Tuesday we`d have gone second in the league. The Championship is mad in the sense you`re a win away from contending and a loss away from catastrophe.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 28 Sep 07:40
DNCH, perhaps it’s better to look on it as a points per game given we’re so early into the season. Last season we finished the season with 35 points from 36 games Scoring 28 goals. Bar hamiltons point deduction we avoided the playoff spot on goal difference.
This season it’s currently 8 points from 8 games scoring 10 goals.
Big difference in the goals, that’s down solely to the Arbroath game but not a big improvement in the points per game. We are playing some better football at times but as yet it’s not translating into better results.
We might come good as the season goes on but with injuries/suspensions combined with such a young inexperienced team and the drop off in quality to those on the bench, we need to get more points on the board and quickly. In the winter the pitch’s get cut up and the ball is in the air a lot more and this doesn’t suit us at all.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 28 Sep 07:49
Spot on Berkey 👏🏻
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sun 28 Sep 08:32
The transfer window has just closed and already the next one can’t come quick enough. James Forrest and Jason Cummings will definitely come this time 😏
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sun 28 Sep 08:40
I actually think KRH deserves a wee mention after his cameo yesterday. Added some spark to our frontline and put in a couple of cracking crosses into the box just no one there as usual.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sun 28 Sep 08:55
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sun 28 Sept 08:40
I actually think KRH deserves a wee mention after his cameo yesterday. Added some spark to our frontline and put in a couple of cracking crosses into the box just no one there as usual.
He actually did well when he came on yesterday. Unfortunately, he has been poor for a long time now so it was long overdue.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 28 Sep 09:21
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sun 28 Sep 08:40
I actually think KRH deserves a wee mention after his cameo yesterday. Added some spark to our frontline and put in a couple of cracking crosses into the box just no one there as usual.
Mentioned this in my post after the game….enough to warrant a start against Queens Park? Probably not, but he did give us something we were seriously lacking before coming on.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 28 Sep 09:28
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Sat 27 Sep 19:00
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 27 Sep 18:47
Angus I’m not sure we can have a go at Gilmour in there. It was him and amade being totally overrun and outnumbered in midfield while Jeffy, Tod and McLeod made token efforts to help and rarely tracked any runs.
Jeffy gets away with it as he’s quality and is always moving and trying to create space when we get the ball back, the other 2 on the other hand….
"The other 2" have been very good and a joy to watch for me so far this season. A genuine highlight. When Cooper is back I am sure you will redirect your ire back towards him.
Berkeys right tho. Caceras works hard to get on the ball. He always wants the ball and will at least do his bit to press the defenders.
A Tod really annoys me as a footballer. He’s definitely a talented player but his work rate is way too low. His ability to pretend to do something when the ball is in the air is second to none. Every time the ball went up to him in the air he’d make it look like he’d made an attempt. I’d drop him next week.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 28 Sep 09:34
Next week is a must win game for me. We have a tough schedule coming up.
Players and staff need to step up and earn their wages.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Sun 28 Sep 10:28
Well NMCmassive I seen Andy Tod win 2 early headers at the very start of the match one where he was about a foot above his opponent. In the first half I thought that he was one of our better players even after being shunted out on the left wing to make way for a half fit Kane. Just thought there was too much arm waving from a few players yesterday and maybe not enough players taking responsibility for doing their own jobs. I do hope Lennon does not turn out to be a devisive leader, did he not have a bit of that at Hibs before he left.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 28 Sep 10:45
Partick we`re a well drilled organised side. The game was over after 20 minutes due to our poor start. We were bound to create chances after going down 2-0. What option do you have other than press forward. Partick managed the game to half time , and with the Carceres sending off it was literally game over. You could visibly see us giving up at that point I thought. The difference between Partick and us was their movement and ability to create space in the final third. I thought if they put their foot on the gas they could have scored 2 or 3 more second half.
We have improved over last season but I think we are lacking an old head in front of Bene. A bit more emphasis on directness and movement rather than safe passing mode that we seem to drift into will win us more games than we lose
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sun 28 Sep 10:52
Listen to the end of Lennon`s interview and it tells you everything about this season...he loves to win but !!!
We`re in for a long season, no point in complaining
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 28 Sep 11:10
I think NLs comments are a fair reflection on the game. I think his most important comment was around the young squad and inexperience. That where we need an old head. Hopefully we can bring in someone in the loan window. I would give up on Matty Todd just yet either. At least he had a shot at goal when he came on.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 28 Sep 11:20
Having watched the highlights, I think it’s harsh to blame the Goalkeeper for the second goal (as I did). The swerve his killed him, it was a fantastic strike by Chalmers.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 28 Sep 11:36
I think everyone is a bit deflated after the expectation levels were raised when we demolished a good Arbroath team away from home.
We`ve got some good young players, but I do worry that there isn`t enough experience in the team to take the weight of their shoulders. The young ones will need a break as well, the Tod brothers are still teenagers and can`t play every game.
I guess we have to trust the process of the new owners in identifying the players that they have brought in, but that`s dozens of signings since the winter transfer window and not many that look like they will have much resale value. I was hopeful that Lennon would have been able to stress that they need experience alongside them to help them flourish.
The team has been crying out for players like the Rovers Scott Brown, Ashcroft and George Oakley. A few strong men that can stand up for themselves and drag their team mates through a game
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 28 Sep 11:38
Quote:
JimDAFC, Sun 28 Sep 10:28
Well NMCmassive I seen Andy Tod win 2 early headers at the very start of the match one where he was about a foot above his opponent. In the first half I thought that he was one of our better players even after being shunted out on the left wing to make way for a half fit Kane. Just thought there was too much arm waving from a few players yesterday and maybe not enough players taking responsibility for doing their own jobs. I do hope Lennon does not turn out to be a devisive leader, did he not have a bit of that at Hibs before he left.
He won 2 headers 🤷🏻♂️ don’t remember it but I’ll give you it. Just a shame it finished 2-0 at half time. My point still stands.
He’s awful in the air. He avoided work yesterday. He’s talented but he’s getting lazy.
COYP
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Topic Originator: cfad
Date: Sun 28 Sep 12:05
Just re watched the game highlights. Two bad mistakes cost us the game - keeper should have been doing much better for the second goal, and the sending off was clear and left us with a massive uphill battle
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Sun 28 Sep 13:11
Quote:
cfad, Sun 28 Sept 12:05
Just re watched the game highlights. Two bad mistakes cost us the game - keeper should have been doing much better for the second goal, and the sending off was clear and left us with a massive uphill battle
The sending off is weird. Thistle player grabs caceres` shirt with 2 hands, off the ball,and yanks him towards him and then goes down after the contact. I`m not sure what caceres is meant to do there? There`s not a close up but could he have been bracing for contact which the Thistle player instigated?
On the second goal, not sure what Terrell could have done..maybe he`s poorly positioned but he`s been done by the swerve...I`m meeting towards it being a cracking goal.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Sun 28 Sep 13:12
What Caceres did certainly wasn`t any worse than Stevenson`s outright assault on Tod.
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Sun 28 Sep 13:52
The ref has been had there as far as I can see?
Thistle player started it off, pulled Caceres in then went down like he was shot. Looked like more violence in the pushing that followed from the Thistle players than what Caceres did. Another example of refs deciding on reactions and acting rather than the offense itself. The standard yellow for both would`ve made more sense tbh. Think the reactions swayed the decision. Ref should`ve handed out a few more yellows to Thistle for the afters too.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sun 28 Sep 13:59
Like others just watched the Highlights
for the PT first goal Tony Watt will probably not get as good a pass to him all season ! cannot header across your box ,
2nd goal well I think Robbie forgot that Chalmers has only got a left foot and allowed him to have a free pop at goal , in defence of Terrell I think the power and the swerve took it away from him
in between that if Kane chips the keeper its a goal , the one off the bar he was pushed but made a meal of it !
The Cacares sending off a red all day , as Bandy said about stephensons one on Tod no worse player made a meal of it ! difference was the ref had the Balls to send him off
we definately had chances but so did they if we hadn`t given them 2 of a start and left ourselves open this would have been restricted and a different game , at the back we give teams too many presents by not clearing our lines and we all see what happens
Our shooting has been reasonably good of late , but that went out the window the day too, a bad day at the office to say the least , we need to move on and learn very quickly from this or it`s not going to be any different from games in the last few seasons , I am confident we have the players in most areas but the only problem is we still don`t have the player/players to put it in the net
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 28 Sep 14:23
We are a young team with a
lot of good players, some of them
are a bit nieve. We are playing
some nice football, and we will
get better. We just need a bit
of luck and a proper ref., at our games
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sun 28 Sep 14:54
O`Reilly has a hold of Càceres` shirt, but he lowers his head and motions into him. Càceres should`ve gone down and made a meal of the shirt pull rather than being wound up.
The referees at this level are absolutely rubbish, but we need to learn how to con them like every other side we come up against does because they lose the plot whenever a situation is escalated.
In the derby, the players should`ve been hounding the referee to get Stevenson sent off, but there was very minimal protest all things considered. Just need to wise up as a young team and manage games much better than is being done right now
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 28 Sep 14:59
To me the second goal should be a goalkeepers ball. I think he was badly positioned. First goal was a poor defensive header to an unmarked PT player. Our lack of anticipation in front of the opposition goal has been apparent the last couple of games. No point in putting in the effort to get to the byline for nobody to be there. We need to be prepared to try and score from outside the box instead of passing it square or backwards
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sun 28 Sep 15:01)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 28 Sep 16:57
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Sun 28 Sept 16:14
Does Caceres put the head on him ?
Watching from the Norrie, I thought so.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 28 Sep 18:24
Hopefully Benedictus isn`t injured or we are in big bother.
Would like to think with NL at the helm we`ll get a lot more street wise and more finely tuned to the dark arts. Both the recent red cards were juiced up by the opponents reaction or baiting.
Won`t be as many wingers at this level with the quality Thistle have but i don`t think Kearney or Fraser will relish facing Chalmer and Fitzpatrick again in a hurry. Both of them had a torrid time, even at 11 v 11.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 28 Sep 19:01
Agree tafka, we played mcleod and tod as wide midfielders but they were unable to track runs back and help out. Both wing backs struggled defensively and thats before they full back for partick overlapped.
As mentioned above lenny will need a few of these guys to get up to speed in this league fast, partick obv identified jeffy as a player who would react if baited and played for it. We didnt appear to have done any prep on opposition as evidenced by Fraser showing chalmers in on his favoured left for the second.
We have some talented youngsters but as a team we’re not a cohesive unit, how much is down to Lenny’s tactics I’m not sure.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 28 Sep 19:18
I think we lost this game on Tuesday night, when JCM got his second booking. (By the way, even if the second yellow was unfortunate, although it looked to me as if he stood on the boy’s toe, it was foolish to go diving in and give the ref and opportunity to card him). That meant we had to make a change.
There were numerous options for retaining three at the back – Otoo played there recently, or Hamilton or Abdulia or Fisher or Sam Young or Davidson or even Ngwenya or Kearney – although none was particularly appealing. Comrie of course might have been a better right back, but you can’t blame him for leaving if you’re only going to get one start in ten or whatever.
But we went with a flat back four (there were a couple of suggestions on here that NL do just that) and I wonder if it just took them a few minutes to settle, by which time we were one down. Arguably the defending wasn’t that great for the second either – at the time I thought the goalkeeper might have been culpable but possibly it was just a perfect strike – dipping over him and under the bar.
We had a couple of decent chances to get back into the game – Kane should have lifted the chance he had – and MacLeod (does his shirt still say MAcLEOD??) seemed to go for the spectacular rather than the simple. Cáceres and Bene seemed on their heels when half chances presented themselves and I think Kane was a bit unlucky that Cáceres’ shot off the bar didn’t fall better.
But then came the red-card (an obvious one as far as I could see - he got suckered) and it was game over. How many teams can come back from two down a man short in 45 minutes of football? Stewart showed nothing (but then it could not have been easy – he’s had no game time, he doesn’t know his team mates and they’re a man short. I seem to remember Stewart Petrie being signed from Forfar and in one of his first (possibly the first) games basically having to play left-back after Ray Sharp got sent off against Airdrie. It all seemed a bit uncoordinated late on but nice to see Todd and Bray get a chance. The disappearance of Connor Young remains a mystery.
So the Lennon era is going to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary, it seems. A “work in progress”. Young players will make mistake and be inconsistent. But what’s the difference between mid-table and a play-off place? Almost nothing. There’s plenty of time to come good, but we could do with any sort of win against the Spiders.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 28 Sep 19:38
Seems strange some on here questioning the quality of our manager .He has the youngest team in the league by far and he needs time as the young players do .Who else would you have as manager ?
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 28 Sep 19:57
I heard some idiot at the game
yesterday, shouting for McPake
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 28 Sep 19:58
Quote:
Jock Par36, Sun 28 Sep 19:57
I heard some idiot at the game
yesterday, shouting for McPake
It was McPake.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 28 Sep 20:09
Give me the manager and players we currently have to the last 3 seasons anytime . Give this young team time to gel under a proven manager
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 28 Sep 21:53
Quote:
Jock Par36, Sun 28 Sep 19:57
I heard some idiot at the game
yesterday, shouting for McPake
If it was in the North Stand then that was the lad behind me having a bit of fun.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 29 Sep 14:31
We can only use the excuse of a young squad for so long, a lot of them have had plenty experience in the “man’s game” and we should be offering more than we are.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Mon 29 Sep 16:40
Absolute must that we get some older heads in to help the young lads. Bene is the only experiend player in the first 11. Hope we are planning and scouting for January already.
The young players won`t develop without mentors to help them.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Mon 29 Sep 20:25
I still have faith that NL is leading us in the right direction. Our youngsters will come good.
‘Hello my name is Jefferson - I’m happy to be here let’s go!’
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 29 Sep 20:30
I think I would say to Caceres that he was suckered into a sending off. It was probably brought about by the fact he was getting the better of the defender as the game went on. Best he let his football di the talking in future and recognise that he will be hassled, pushed and pulled in games but he needs to ride that. Lesson learned and move on.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 29 Sep 21:05
The Partick player did seem to know what he was doing by pulling him in then going down in feigned injury but our man should have turned away from him.
We’ve seen this twice in two weeks now where experienced teams will use our inexperience and youthfulness against us in front of weak refereees to gain an advantage.
We need to be more savvy on the park.
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