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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 29 Nov 20:56
After a number of weeks of suffering pretty abysmal refereeing, credit to today`s ref (Dan McFarlane) who I couldn`t fault at all. He got all his decisions right and his yellow cards were all spot on. Well done to him.
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Topic Originator: DrumRoad
Date: Sat 29 Nov 21:04
Mmm
What about our 3rd goal that was given by both the ref & linesman & was subsequently chopped off
I didn’t know we had VAR @ EEP!
I do agree tho, probably the best ref at EEP this season
2022/23 League one Winners
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sat 29 Nov 21:10
Agree with that. I think the lino realised he’d made a balls up when the QOTS players pointed it out to him and he was given a chance to amend his error. It was so blatant that I’m surprised the ref didn’t give offside despite the lino.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 29 Nov 21:25
Quote:
DrumRoad, Sat 29 Nov 21:04
Mmm
What about our 3rd goal that was given by both the ref & linesman & was subsequently chopped off
I didn’t know we had VAR @ EEP!
I do agree tho, probably the best ref at EEP this season
He was offside
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 29 Nov 21:42
Was amazed no flag - we were right in line in west stand wing, 100% offside.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sat 29 Nov 22:45
There was a defender on the byline.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 29 Nov 22:55
Need to see the highlights.Didn’t think at the time anyone was offside.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 29 Nov 23:04
I may be proved wrong but Caceres was almost on the line if so there was not 2 players behind him , so he was off side
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sun 30 Nov 12:43
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Sat 29 Nov 23:04
I may be proved wrong but Caceres was almost on the line if so there was not 2 players behind him , so he was off side
That`s my thoughts . I reckon it would have been a goal without his intervention.
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sun 30 Nov 14:25
Thought he was offside too. It would have been instinctive, but I think he`d left it KRH could have put it in and might not have been offside.
The odd thing was how the ref handled it. Never seen that before. Both he and the linesman appeared to give the goal but then listened to the QotS players` complaints and changed their decision. Ultimately the correct decision, but goes against the idea that players shouldn`t complain to the ref.
There was another one that looked a little odd against Patrick. Pars player in offside position by about 5 yards when a long ball was played up, makes it clear he`s not challenging. Defender makes a hash of controlling the ball and it breaks to the Pars player who is then given offside. I presume that`s considered first phase?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 30 Nov 19:32
Looking at the highlights I`m beginning to wonder if the disallowed offside goal should have stood ?
There is a defender on the goal line on the left - depends on the interpretation of the goalkeeper`s position - he was on his erse behind the line, however I believe that`s considered to be active on the goal line since it was his own momentum that took him there.
There was a roughly similar(ish) controversial goal in the 2008 Euros, Italy v Netherlands which was awarded - not sure if that interpretation still stands.
Post Edited (Sun 30 Nov 20:10)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 30 Nov 20:47
Surely the goalie and the defender to the left of the goal played everyone onside? I`m not sure why the goalie was pointing in the direction of the defender when he was appealing against the goal being given.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Mon 1 Dec 00:31
My thoughts as well,wee eck.
Post Edited (Mon 01 Dec 00:31)
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 1 Dec 08:12
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 30 Nov 20:47
Surely the goalie and the defender to the left of the goal played everyone onside? I`m not sure why the goalie was pointing in the direction of the defender when he was appealing against the goal being given.
The goalie and one defender were still on the pitch when KRH shot. The goalie was onside, poor from the officials.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 1 Dec 08:50
"The goalie and one defender were still on the pitch when KRH shot. The goalie was onside, poor from the officials."
The keeper was behind the goal line when Caseras touched it in.
It depends if that is considered as still being on the field of play, or not.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 1 Dec 08:54
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 1 Dec 08:50
"The goalie and one defender were still on the pitch when KRH shot. The goalie was onside, poor from the officials."
The keeper was behind the goal line when Caseras touched it in.
It depends if that is considered as still being on the field of play, or not.
He was, but wasn’t when KRH hit his shot….
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 1 Dec 08:59
But KRH wasn’t the last touch.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 1 Dec 09:01
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 1 Dec 08:59
But KRH wasn’t the last touch.
That is the key touch when looking at an offside.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Dec 09:10
Just to be clear, the goalie is still considered to be a `last defender` despite being off the pitch. It would be crazy if a defender could play an opponent offside by simply stepping off the pitch. Only if he had left the field with the ref`s permission would he be discounted eg if he was having an injury attended to.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 1 Dec 09:10
So an attacker on the goal line who has less than two defenders on the goal line is onside ?
That`s not my understanding of the rules.
"Just to be clear, the goalie is still considered to be a `last defender` despite being off the pitch. It would be crazy if a defender could play an opponent offside by simply stepping off the pitch. Only if he had left the field with the ref`s permission would he be discounted eg if he was having an injury attended to."
The keeper did not deliberately step off the pitch in order to render an opponent offside - it was his momentum attempting to play the ball that took him over the goal line.
I agree that that is considered to be still on the field of play at the place where he left.
This scenario goes back to when Ruud van Nistelroy had a goal stand in a Euro 2008 match Italy v Netherlands - it caused a right furore at the time, with UEFA having to confirm the officials decision as correct.
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/history/news/0254-0d7c02c65590-8f80f476193e-1000--uefa-supports-dutch-goal-decision/
Post Edited (Mon 01 Dec 09:25)
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Mon 1 Dec 09:37
Does that mean if Jefferson had been played clean through, with the goalie missing the ball, only touching the ball to tap it in after the goalie has missed it. He’d be offside?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 1 Dec 09:48
Have a look at the club highlights - freeze at 8:13 - Ross Stewart is prostrate behind the goal line as KRH prods the ball forward for Caceras on the goal line to touch it in.
As Wee Eck says, if Stewart is still deemed actively in play then he and the other QotS defender on the goal line render Caceras onside.
The situation of the keeper is the key aspect.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Dec 10:00
I don`t expect we`ll hear how the the conversation went between the ref and the assistant. At the time I thought the AR was on his way back to the half-way line, which usually indicates he saw no infringement, until the ref intervened and went to speak to him. Presumably the ref convinced the AR that Caceres was offside and he then raised his flag, rather belatedly! Refs usually accept that ARs are in a better position to judge offside and accept their decisions. Luckily the decision had no effect on the result.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 1 Dec 10:11
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 1 Dec 09:48
Have a look at the club highlights - freeze at 8:13 - Ross Stewart is prostrate behind the goal line as KRH prods the ball forward for Caceras on the goal line to touch it in.
As Wee Eck says, if Stewart is still deemed actively in play then he and the other QotS defender on the goal line render Caceras onside.
The situation of the keeper is the key aspect.
VEE. The defender is slightly ahead of Caceres, therefore only the goalie is behind him and therefore he is offside. You need two players to be playing you onside. Normally, one of them is the goalie.
Absolutely stupid decision to slam it in on the goal line as the ball was going in.
Luckily, it never cost us.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 1 Dec 10:14
At the time I thought it was a bit silly for Caceres to play the ball, but I have just watched the highlights. Looks onside to me when the header was played. A goalkeeper inside his goal is still on the field of play. A ball must cross the line entirely for a goal to be given, therefore a goalkeeper is still in play even when behind his own goal line.
A tad unfortunate in my opinion for it to be chopped off.
The defender at the right back position plays Caceres from what I can see and he sheepishly didn’t complain at all.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 1 Dec 10:17
Caceres’ left foot was on the line when KRH poked it forward. Offside
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 1 Dec 10:25
Cáceres was on the line, but so was the Queens defender. And the goalkeeper was mostly in his net but his foot was on the line even if the officials didn`t know he was still active behind his line. So probably should have stood. But Cáceres should have just left it anyway. I get that he is desperate to score his first goal and there was an element of instinct involved but Ritchie-Hosler also could do with a goal, and he appeared quite angry Jefferson had nicked it off him.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Dec 10:29
The AR was in a better position than the ref or any punter to judge Caceres` position relative to the defenders and yet his decision appears to have been overruled by the ref!
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Mon 1 Dec 10:35
I thought you can only leave the pitch with the refs permission. Otherwise you are deemed on it at the point you crossed the line? Stops the situation where a full back can just step of the sideline to make folk offside
Post Edited (Mon 01 Dec 10:37)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Dec 10:50
I don`t think anyone`s disputing that, dd. It`s the position of the defender outside the left-hand post that`s crucial.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Mon 1 Dec 11:13
It`s very tight and could be argued either way, I think if you freeze frame it when the ball is played to Càceres the defender is pretty much on the bye line which should play him onside with the goalkeeper also being behind the line.
Ultimately Càceres should`ve just let the ball roll in, but probably pretty desperate to get on the score sheet as well and maybe not aware if someone was near him to clear the ball away.
Reminds me a little bit of the Nani incident with Portugal against Spain where Ronaldo chipped Casillas for what would`ve been a fantastic goal and Nani headed it right on the goal line whilst he was offside.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 1 Dec 12:47
Offside Calculation: A defender off the field, even by momentum, is counted as one of the required opponents for offside, effectively maintaining the defensive line.
That`s from a Google search.
"Does that mean if Jefferson had been played clean through, with the goalie missing the ball, only touching the ball to tap it in after the goalie has missed it. He’d be offside?"
If he were onside when the ball is played forward - no offside.
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