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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Dec 16:26
Sounds like Fisher isn`t being charged and that this is over a stupid cocktail bar scuffle.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 11 Dec 16:32
Seems like Bene tried to diffuse it but Billy BigBawz got the kicking he deserved.
The broken bone was unfortunate. Apart from that - non story.
Defo no sacking. He stood up for his mate after extreme provocation.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Thu 11 Dec 16:37
Certainly doesn`t sound like a an incident worthy of jail time. Typical bar scrap and it doesn`t sound like the other guy has covered himself in glory either.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Dec 16:58
It’ll depend on the Deferred Sentence hearing. Meanwhile he’ll be wearing a tag (Restriction of Liberty Order). Won’t be able to leave his home between the hours of 7pm and 7am (usual hours unless it’s different given his employment). (A security box is placed within his home and is triggered when he’s there. That’s how a tag works, incase anyone is wondering). Not sure the club would allow him to play whilst wearing a tag but this could also be covered in his court papers.
The social work report is standard for a DS. It’s a psychological assessment.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 11 Dec 17:09
Typical DR reporting, thought Fisher had been on our bench the last few games?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Dec 17:18
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Dec 16:58
It’ll depend on the Deferred Sentence hearing. Meanwhile he’ll be wearing a tag (Restriction of Liberty Order). Won’t be able to leave his home between the hours of 7pm and 7am (usual hours unless it’s different given his employment). (A security box is placed within his home and is triggered when he’s there. That’s how a tag works, incase anyone is wondering). Not sure the club would allow him to play whilst wearing a tag but this could also be covered in his court papers.
The social work report is standard for a DS. It’s a psychological assessment.
Can they build the tag into his shin guards? 😂
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Topic Originator: Kintos
Date: Thu 11 Dec 17:21
Absolutely ridiculous if he’s put on tag whilst countless miscreants who are recidivist offenders get to go about with at most, bail curfew with no requirements to even present. Then ultimately escape any custodial sentence.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 11 Dec 17:30
It may be a coincidence, but there`s a guy with the same name in Edinburgh who knocked out a barmaid and beat up a doorman.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Thu 11 Dec 17:32
Sounds like bene was backing his boy if im honest, dont see any reason to punt him imo
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 11 Dec 18:35
Club statement on COWS -
`Dunfermline Athletic can confirm that Kyle Benedictus has appeared in court and has entered a guilty plea to a charge of assault, following an altercation in Edinburgh earlier this year. Sentencing and further legal review will now follow.
Sam Fisher, who had previously been accused of assault, has been cleared of all charges.
Until the judicial process is complete, the club and Kyle will not be making any further comment.`
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Topic Originator: Taxipar
Date: Thu 11 Dec 19:30
The tag isn’t a problem Paul McGowan played with a tag while at Dundee after a scuffle with a bouncer
A par since 1985
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 11 Dec 21:14
I’m surprised most in here are utterly blasé about this. He threw the first punch (that involved him personally), then numerous others before breaking a bone in a guys neck.
If he was protecting his team mate he would have dragged him out of the bar after the first instance of trouble.
Mental.
Post Edited (Thu 11 Dec 21:16)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 11 Dec 21:42
It’s easy to ignore the blasé, Dave.
FWIW he wasn’t directly responsible for the broken bone.
The Courier states
“The pair then fell to the ground and the victim was knocked unconscious when he cracked his head off the bar. He suffered a broken bone in his neck that later required surgery.”
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dc85
Date: Thu 11 Dec 22:50
Unbelievable the amount of people trying to excuse this.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 11 Dec 23:44
This Wilkes character will be getting charged with assaulting Fisher surely ?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 12 Dec 04:17
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Dec 21:42
It’s easy to ignore the blasé, Dave.
FWIW he wasn’t directly responsible for the broken bone.
The Courier states
“The pair then fell to the ground and the victim was knocked unconscious when he cracked his head off the bar. He suffered a broken bone in his neck that later required surgery.”
He had him in a headlock, punching him in the head and they fell over……Id say he is pretty responsible for the broken bone.
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Topic Originator: Lesliepartoo
Date: Fri 12 Dec 05:47
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 12 Dec 04:17
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Dec 21:42
It’s easy to ignore the blasé, Dave.
FWIW he wasn’t directly responsible for the broken bone.
The Courier states
“The pair then fell to the ground and the victim was knocked unconscious when he cracked his head off the bar. He suffered a broken bone in his neck that later required surgery.”
He had him in a headlock, punching him in the head and they fell over……Id say he is pretty responsible for the broken bone.
Hows that dave.. he never pushed him against the bar or deliberatly broke the bone... you ever been involved in anything like this in a bar
Cmon ye pars
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Fri 12 Dec 05:57
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 11 Dec 21:14
I’m surprised most in here are utterly blasé about this. He threw the first punch (that involved him personally), then numerous others before breaking a bone in a guys neck.
If he was protecting his team mate he would have dragged him out of the bar after the first instance of trouble.
Mental.
Said like a person who has never been in an altercation like this.
Sometimes, you can step into a heated moment in a bar to calmly intervene but the other party already has a red mist veil. You read body language and decisions are made in a split second whether you go from innocent peace keeper to having a sore face for being a Good Samaritan.
Was the guy (victim, person who actually started fracas or however you want to verbalise the situation to suit the narrative ) pursuing in a manner where he was clearly intent on violence? When the man was in a restrained position of a headlock, was he calm or resisting and fighting? We do not know and won’t know until full transcripts are provided. What we have is west coast papers rhetoric of a bar fight.
The problem here is people who weren’t present being willing to have a self righteous opinion without actually being there or having life experience to understand how certain events can play out.
Maybe best letting the law decide here and just support Bene for now. That’s what we are right, Pars supporters?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 12 Dec 06:17
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 12 Dec 04:17
Quote:
buffy, Thu 11 Dec 21:42
It’s easy to ignore the blasé, Dave.
FWIW he wasn’t directly responsible for the broken bone.
The Courier states
“The pair then fell to the ground and the victim was knocked unconscious when he cracked his head off the bar. He suffered a broken bone in his neck that later required surgery.”
He had him in a headlock, punching him in the head and they fell over……Id say he is pretty responsible for the broken bone.
I think the less you say about a situation you are not familiar with, the better.
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Topic Originator: Lesliepartoo
Date: Fri 12 Dec 06:18
Quote:
BigTpar1986, Fri 12 Dec 05:57
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 11 Dec 21:14
I’m surprised most in here are utterly blasé about this. He threw the first punch (that involved him personally), then numerous others before breaking a bone in a guys neck.
If he was protecting his team mate he would have dragged him out of the bar after the first instance of trouble.
Mental.
Said like a person who has never been in an altercation like this.
Sometimes, you can step into a heated moment in a bar to calmly intervene but the other party already has a red mist veil. You read body language and decisions are made in a split second whether you go from innocent peace keeper to having a sore face for being a Good Samaritan.
Was the guy (victim, person who actually started fracas or however you want to verbalise the situation to suit the narrative ) pursuing in a manner where he was clearly intent on violence? When the man was in a restrained position of a headlock, was he calm or resisting and fighting? We do not know and won’t know until full transcripts are provided. What we have is west coast papers rhetoric of a bar fight.
The problem here is people who weren’t present being willing to have a self righteous opinion without actually being there or having life experience to understand how certain events can play out.
Maybe best letting the law decide here and just support Bene for now. That’s what we are right, Pars supporters?
Having worked the doors myself for about 20 years when i was younger i know exactly how quick things can spire out of control.. alot of the time its punch or be punched.. a heard a while ago that bene stuck up for his team mate and ended up getting the brunt of it.. clealry he stuck up for himself. I see no problem in that whatsoever.. as for folk saying why no walk away. Do ye really think its that wasy to walk away Do you think there no going to follow you....
Cmon ye pars
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Fri 12 Dec 06:29
Dave wouldnt say boo to a ghost.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 12 Dec 07:15
This case is obviously of interest to Pars fans, but as others have hinted, let`s not speculate or pass judgement without knowing all the facts - that`s what the courts are for.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 12 Dec 08:10
Quote:
GG Riva, Fri 12 Dec 07:15
This case is obviously of interest to Pars fans, but as others have hinted, let`s not speculate or pass judgement without knowing all the facts - that`s what the courts are for.
I mean, the courts literally put them out there yesterday, to which he pled guilty to….so wheres the speculation? 🤔
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 12 Dec 08:51
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 12 Dec 08:10
Quote:
GG Riva, Fri 12 Dec 07:15
This case is obviously of interest to Pars fans, but as others have hinted, let`s not speculate or pass judgement without knowing all the facts - that`s what the courts are for.
I mean, the courts literally put them out there yesterday, to which he pled guilty to….so wheres the speculation? 🤔
Let`s wait until we hear the judge`s final verdict, Dave. Bene`s pleaded guilty to the assault charge, but there are lots of other, possibly mitigating facts to be considered. If the victim of the assault is indeed the one alluded to by Jake, he`s certainly no Mahatma Gandhi, is he?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 12 Dec 08:55
Exactly. If I smack someone and they fall and hit their head then that`s on me. However, if they had already hit me or were threatening to hit me then that`s a mitigating circumstance. There`s a big difference between instigating a fight and responding to one.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Fri 12 Dec 09:32
Given the interpretation of events I`m surprised then that`s there`s a guilty plea and not one of self defence ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 12 Dec 09:37
The report says the incident happened on 2 March and Bene pleaded guilty on 3 May. I don`t remember that being reported at the time. I thought we were waiting on a trial date. If he had pleaded guilty what was the reason for yesterday`s hearing? It obviously wasn`t for sentencing as that has been deferred pending a report.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 12 Dec 09:38
Quote:
Dc85, Thu 11 Dec 22:50
Unbelievable the amount of people trying to excuse this.
You the guy he decked lol (2nd post?) . Let's maybe await the verdict before we pass judgement.
Post Edited (Fri 12 Dec 09:40)
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Fri 12 Dec 09:42
The verdict is that he`s guilty (he pled guilty).
The question now is around sentencing.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 12 Dec 09:44
The Sheriff has “deferred sentence for the preparation of a social work report and a restriction of liberty order assessment”.
That suggests to me that he/she is looking at a home curfew/tagging as an alternative to a spell inside. ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Fri 12 Dec 09:44
Guy came back for bother and Bene stuck up for himself/mate whilst giving the boy a doing.
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Topic Originator: Lesliepartoo
Date: Fri 12 Dec 10:24
Quote:
Hoolie, Fri 12 Dec 09:44
Guy came back for bother and Bene stuck up for himself/mate whilst giving the boy a doing.
Well said.. anyone would do the same
Cmon ye pars
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Fri 12 Dec 11:22
Quote:
Lesliepartoo, Fri 12 Dec 10:24
Quote:
Hoolie, Fri 12 Dec 09:44
Guy came back for bother and Bene stuck up for himself/mate whilst giving the boy a doing.
Well said.. anyone would do the same
I`ll be honest. I wouldn`t have done the same. I`d have legged it elsewhere (with my mate) to avoid it.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 12 Dec 12:06
The guy who unfortunately got injured has previous for attacking a barmaid and it appears that Sam Fisher - who was originally charged as well but was actually an innocent bystander - was getting grief where Benedictus stepped in. It`s not as if the guy was targeted or if he went out to hurt him badly, so that plus the guilty plea would suggest jail time is probably not on the cards?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 12 Dec 12:36
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Fri 12 Dec 15:16)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 12 Dec 13:01
Cheers, Buffy.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Lesliepartoo
Date: Fri 12 Dec 13:23
Quote:
Bandy, Fri 12 Dec 11:22
Quote:
Lesliepartoo, Fri 12 Dec 10:24
Quote:
Hoolie, Fri 12 Dec 09:44
Guy came back for bother and Bene stuck up for himself/mate whilst giving the boy a doing.
Well said.. anyone would do the same
I`ll be honest. I wouldn`t have done the same. I`d have legged it elsewhere (with my mate) to avoid it.
Tbh bandy.. if they started in ma mate ad have been right in there 1st lol
Cmon ye pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 12 Dec 13:55
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Fri 12 Dec 13:01
Cheers, Buffy.
That`s Buffy KC to you 😉
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Topic Originator: Gareth Keenan Investigates
Date: Fri 12 Dec 14:30
‘ I think the less you say about a situation you are not familiar with, the better.’
Hilariously ironic given that about two posts into the thread you’ve invented some backstory about Bene being some do-gooding vigilante from the same facts presented in the article. Should possibly take ones own advice on board at times.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 12 Dec 14:35
Quote:
Gareth Keenan Investigates, Fri 12 Dec 14:30
‘ I think the less you say about a situation you are not familiar with, the better.’
Hilariously ironic given that about two posts into the thread you’ve invented some backstory about Bene being some do-gooding vigilante from the same facts presented in the article. Should possibly take ones own advice on board at times.
It’s as if the news article reports what was said in court……..who knew? 😂
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Fri 12 Dec 20:26
The guy came back for bother and got a doing of Bene.. harsh he hit his neck of the bar but hey ho he shouldn’t have come back to start anything.
Just imo one of those nights out but Bene/Fisher were recognised and the bellend got a doing…
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Topic Originator: TroonPar
Date: Fri 12 Dec 20:44
Don’t want to sound like a pedant Lorna but the CJ Report isn’t a psychological assessment, that can only be done by a psychologist.
The CJ Report is a report on the accused’s background and character and provides a risk assessment including the risk of re-offending. It always provides a range of sentencing options for the Sheriff.
Bill Kinnear
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 12 Dec 20:55
Doesn’t really matter does it. No one on here is interested in the process of how the law works
Applogies Troonpar.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Fri 12 Dec 21:18)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 13 Dec 06:41
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 12 Dec 14:35
Quote:
Gareth Keenan Investigates, Fri 12 Dec 14:30
‘ I think the less you say about a situation you are not familiar with, the better.’
Hilariously ironic given that about two posts into the thread you’ve invented some backstory about Bene being some do-gooding vigilante from the same facts presented in the article. Should possibly take ones own advice on board at times.
It’s as if the news article reports what was said in court……..who knew? 😂
I was meaning he wasnt familiar with being in such an altercation, and had no idea what action would be required.
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