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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sat 27 Dec 17:32
Much slagged.
Yet he is our record shut out keeper in a season
Every game he comes back for he performs well
The modern game seems to want a sweeper keeper.
He seems to be getting into the groove for that and is still a very very good shot stopping keeper.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Dec 17:38
I thought he played well today. He looked assured. He will always save us one or two goals every month. He had a shakey season last year, but we all go through spells like that. Hopefully, he has come through it the stronger for it.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 27 Dec 17:43
Looked good today - stopped the shots he could really well, distribution much better and didn’t shy away from the crosses on top of him with 2/3 really good punches.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Sat 27 Dec 17:51
He hasn`t let us down in any of the Cup or league games he`s played this season.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 27 Dec 17:54
The stop in the first half very important
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Topic Originator: piepar
Date: Sat 27 Dec 17:55
I’m sure NL mentioned at the Alhambra night that Mehmet was getting emptied at this point.
Have we all forgotten what a liability he is.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Dec 17:59
Quote:
piepar, Sat 27 Dec 17:55
I’m sure NL mentioned at the Alhambra night that Mehmet was getting emptied at this point.
Have we all forgotten what a liability he is.
You don`t have to deny poor performances to credit good ones.
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Topic Originator: Benny74
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:01
When has Denis been a liability? What games did he gift? I can think of loads of duff goalkeepers but Denis has been 90%solid.
Benny74
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:07
He was getting the nickname Dracula because he was scared of crosses, it’s his one obvious frailty. If you can perform the rest well though you might get away with it.
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:08
Outstanding save in the first half and another important save at the start of the second.
Credit where credit is due.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:31
Thankfully the manager doesn`t write off players as quickly as some of the fans do but tries to keep them engaged in case they are needed eg Todd, Bray, Ngwenya and now Mehmet. It`s all part of the art of management.
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Topic Originator: Gareth Keenan Investigates
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:33
`Thankfully the manager doesn`t write off players as quickly as some of the fans do but tries to keep them engaged in case they are needed eg Todd, Bray, Ngwenya and now Mehmet. It`s all part of the art of management.`
He told Todd he was free to find another club...
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:33
I think NL has always said that competition for places is important and if you are performing well he will have no hesitation in playing you.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:40
`He told Todd he was free to find another club...`
...and then brought him back into the team at Airdrie and I don`t think he`s missed a game since.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:45
Lenny is a great man manager. His best attribute btw
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 27 Dec 18:54
Quote:
Gareth Keenan Investigates, Sat 27 Dec 18:33
`Thankfully the manager doesn`t write off players as quickly as some of the fans do but tries to keep them engaged in case they are needed eg Todd, Bray, Ngwenya and now Mehmet. It`s all part of the art of management.`
He told Todd he was free to find another club...
He did, and its gotten a positive reaction out of Todd - which is what he will want. Ngwenya was as good as gone as well and last 2 games appears to have shifted the momentum slightly.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 27 Dec 20:13
Quote:
Gareth Keenan Investigates, Sat 27 Dec 18:33
`Thankfully the manager doesn`t write off players as quickly as some of the fans do but tries to keep them engaged in case they are needed eg Todd, Bray, Ngwenya and now Mehmet. It`s all part of the art of management.`
He told Todd he was free to find another club...
Best thing he ever did. It got him foccussed.
Mind games is part of it.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 27 Dec 20:13
Guy has been outstanding in his games at Ayr & Raith…..I also thought he did well in the League Cup league games.
Much maligned by many but has done nothing but good so far this season (imho)
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 27 Dec 23:45
2 good saves today and did well enough generally. Was Terrell dropped or injured? Mehmet probably done enough to keep his place for me. Been fine this season.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Sun 28 Dec 15:12
A liability? 😂😂😂😂 away and have a lie doon son he found himself 3rd choice after we signed two keepers who are supposedly better than him yet here we are for the what 4th time in the league season where one of those two keepers have been dropped because of mistakes they have made if the keeper has confidence in his defence then the defence will have confidence in their keeper
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sun 28 Dec 17:49
I haven’t been a fan of Deniz in the past, and you could point to games where he’s made bad mistakes. However, I thought yesterday he made some very good saves at crucial times.
I’d like us to send Munn back to Rangers if the loan deal contains such a clause. Mehmet and Terrell are both out of contract at the end of the season, so they can fight it out for the No. 1 jersey and a new deal although I favour Terrell.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Sun 28 Dec 17:57
Mehmet has always been a good shot-stopper, but vulnerable at crosses. Yesterday he had a couple of decent punches - maybe picking up a bit from Terrell?
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Sun 28 Dec 20:11
I wasn`t there due to other commitments but would Terrell have made the saves that Mehmet did? I can only judge from the highlights really.
Mehmets biggest downfalls for me are being glued to his line and his kicking is poor.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sun 28 Dec 20:33
Quote:
Connor560, Sun 28 Dec 20:11
I wasn`t there due to other commitments but would Terrell have made the saves that Mehmet did? I can only judge from the highlights really.
Mehmets biggest downfalls for me are being glued to his line and his kicking is poor.
After watching the highlights, albeit on my phone, the one in the second half looked like Ngwenya maybe blocked it rather than a Mehmet save.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sun 28 Dec 20:57
Made my mind up on Mehmet a long time ago. But credit where it’s due I thought he was excellent the other day.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 28 Dec 21:51
I think at 33 Deniz has 5 good years ahead of him and these should arguably be his best years as a keeper. I think he went through a spell like most do, but personally I think he has improved and his best years are ahead. We could do alot worse than give him another contract in my view.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 28 Dec 22:05
My own personal opinion. He’s loyal for starters despite being an obvious second choice.
He’s a fairly safe pair of hands in this league but has flaws.
His kicking for starters is suspect especially when it’s a pass back.
QOS game kind of exposed his weakness in one on ones.
Despite that he’s someone who’s actually improving with us and I’ve noticed he is eager to get the ball moving ASAP when in hand.
He never used to do that.
Tirrel has done good so far apart from the Ayr game where his decision making was very wrong on two occasions.
I’d be fine extending his contract and you know, even Deniz if he’s willing to accept he’s not going to be a regular number one.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sun 28 Dec 22:05
I would keep Terrell and let Deniz go.
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sun 28 Dec 22:10
For the money Deniz is on from what I’ve heard, we can’t afford to have him as a back up keeper but I don’t think he’s the answer to our number 1 spot. It’s a tough one cause he can probably bring Terrell on a fair bit.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 28 Dec 22:15
Be a struggle for anyone to convince me on Deniz to be honest.
He did well yesterday but he lacks the ability to command the box and is as mentioned, poor when it comes to crosses into the box.
Give him his dues for penalties though, he’s not bad at saving them.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 28 Dec 22:38
If it was nae for his vampire phobia of crosses ………
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 29 Dec 04:02
Deniz is calm and assured unlike the younger keepers who have crazy moments and flap at most crosses they do come for. .
Prefer Deniz in goal and hope he keeps the jersey…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 29 Dec 04:38
It is likely he will be the backup keeper if he signs again. On a lower wage.
As someone said, his next 5 years could be his best.
I think it would be hard to find a better backup, but I am quite sure if he gets an offer of first choice at a decent team, he will take it.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Mon 29 Dec 09:36
Don`t think Deniz has done much wrong when called upon this season. For me you always need at least one experienced keeper at the club to help the younger guys along.
Terrell has impressed so far, filling the void we had when Tobi left last year. Don`t think Munn will be here come January as I`m sure Rangers don`t want him to be third choice, but he`s just too raw for this level right now.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 29 Dec 09:51
Yeah, Munn comes highly rated and could yet turn out to be a McGregor, however not quite at Championship level yet.
Deniz has been solid when called upon, credit where it`s due.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Mon 29 Dec 10:30
Quote:
king lad, Mon 29 Dec 09:36
Don`t think Munn will be here come January as I`m sure Rangers don`t want him to be third choice, but he`s just too raw for this level right now.
I don’t think he is raw, I think he’s just not at this level yet. Could turn out to be a good Goalkeeper in time, but he’s not our player so we don’t have time. I think his time is up at the club and I’m sure there will be a statement soon saying he has been recalled.
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Mon 29 Dec 10:39
He hasn’t done badly when called upon this season but that is literally all he should be - a last resort.
Some very short memories in here regarding how many times he fluffed all variants of goal keeping kick outs. Not to mention the roots that he has on his boots once he gets on his goal line 90% of the time. Did he make a good block on Saturday? Yes. Is he the answer to what seems to be a a redeveloping goal keeping issue ( Terrell being unable to sustain match fitness ) - Definitely not.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Dec 11:27
The way some folk go on about Deniz you`d think he was the only Championship keeper who`d missed a cross he`d come for or miskicked a clearance. He had a very poor spell at the start of last season playing behind a very dodgy defence playing a system they were unfamiliar with and unsuited to. As a result he completely lost his confidence.
Since then he he has been pilloried on here - and everybody seems to know his wages! The fact that he hasn`t let us down any time he has been called upon this season says a lot about his character. Terrell shows promise but he`s young and subject to the occasional howler - some of which have proved costly.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 29 Dec 11:38
If Mehmet had conceded some of the goals that Terrell has this season, we`d have had multiple threads about how much of a liability he is.
Thankfully, that`s not been the case as he`s a young keeper, with lots of promise, who is bound to make mistakes in his first year as a starting keeper. I am glad that the supporter base has taken to him and seem to have a bit of perspective about it.
It does, however, highlight the often unwarranted abuse that Mehmet has taken in previous seasons. He`s not some sort of world class keeper, has plenty of flaws and has been directly responsible for some goals. On may occasions though, people have found reason to blame him for things that were not his fault - or, at worst, were marginal - and have refused to give any credit for some outstanding saves he`s made, including some penalty saves at the business end of a season where we ended up above the relegation play-off place by the skin of our teeth.
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Mon 29 Dec 12:48
This is either a really late or early April fools!
Deniz rides on the accolades of the league one season and I can’t remember a game where I was left thinking I’m glad we had him in goals. No one is saying that he is the only keeper to make an error but to be blowing smoke up his backside just now is just lingering derby euphoria. The save he made in the first half on Saturday, he was poorly positioned and made what was a very tame header look a lot more difficult than it was. If that had been a George Oakley or a Barney Stewart type heading that it was a definite goal. Poor composure early in the second half from the rovers player played as much part in the save as Deniz did.
Glad we got the result but to read people openly advocating Mehmet playing regularly, a player that 3 managers have made second choice at best is just bizarre!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Dec 13:09
So even when he saved crucial penalties you weren`t glad we had him in goals? And you were right behind all the personnel decisions made by the three managers who dropped him?
Maybe you have a very selective memory, only remembering events that suit your narrative.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Mon 29 Dec 13:14
Everyone has selective memories when it comes to players they either dismiss as not good enough or whether they rate them.
What is unfortunate in most cases during these discussions is the lack of many to respect other people`s opinions
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 29 Dec 13:18
Quote:
BigTpar1986, Mon 29 Dec 12:48
This is either a really late or early April fools!
Deniz rides on the accolades of the league one season and I can’t remember a game where I was left thinking I’m glad we had him in goals. No one is saying that he is the only keeper to make an error but to be blowing smoke up his backside just now is just lingering derby euphoria. The save he made in the first half on Saturday, he was poorly positioned and made what was a very tame header look a lot more difficult than it was. If that had been a George Oakley or a Barney Stewart type heading that it was a definite goal. Poor composure early in the second half from the rovers player played as much part in the save as Deniz did.
Glad we got the result but to read people openly advocating Mehmet playing regularly, a player that 3 managers have made second choice at best is just bizarre!
I was struggling to find the words, you’ve basically summed up what I was thinking tho.
With him between the sticks we’ve been relegated and had 2 seasons fighting relegation (outwith the league 1 season). It’s not all his fault however, dropping crosses/corners, passing to the opposition and missing saves he should have made certainly contributed.
I don’t like beating him up because he’s got his positives but I think he’s a good backup keeper and that’s it.
COYP
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Mon 29 Dec 14:08
For heavens sake!!!, players have ups and downs, good days and bad days.
He has days when he was brilliant and others where he was poor, as a keeper poor means noticeably poor often giving goals away. Centre forwards don`t get this if they miss.
It does not matter, he`s playing well and if he`s better than others play him
Post Edited (Mon 29 Dec 14:09)
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Mon 29 Dec 14:43
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 29 Dec 13:09
So even when he saved crucial penalties you weren`t glad we had him in goals? And you were right behind all the personnel decisions made by the three managers who dropped him?
Maybe you have a very selective memory, only remembering events that suit your narrative.
100% behind the decisions not to make him club number 1, which is obviously the opinion of NL also.
Everyone is jumping on this so called form arc he is on but he didn’t even acknowledge the Para fans on Saturday as he walked to the goals pre match. This guy has been part of every downfall since he signed his first contract at the Pars. To have a sweaty love in over 2 mediocre saves that he should be making is just a bit on the embarrassing side.
Surely what makes a good keeper, if focusing only on the keeper and not the defence in front of him, Is for him to command his 18 yard box - he doesn’t. Come for a cross- fumbled two on Saturday and 3, an addition for yourself- save penalties and he never managed that on Saturday either!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Dec 15:04
I don`t get upset if a player doesn`t acknowledge the fans, nor do I have a `sweaty love in` with any of them. The fact that you`re now blaming him by association for everything that`s gone wrong in his time at the club speaks volumes as does your reference to penalties - which I hope was a poor attempt at humour.
NL seemed to appreciate his contribution on Saturday and that`s all that matters really. Good managers don`t hold any grudges and keep an open mind on players who have their ups and downs. It`s a shame some fans don`t feel the same way.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Mon 29 Dec 15:16
wee eck wrote:
> I don`t get upset if a player doesn`t acknowledge the fans, nor
> do I have a `sweaty love in` with any of them. The fact that
> you`re now blaming him by association for everything that`s
> gone wrong in his time at the club speaks volumes as does your
> reference to penalties - which I hope was a poor attempt at
> humour.
>
> NL seemed to appreciate his contribution on Saturday and that`s
> all that matters really. Good managers don`t hold any grudges
> and keep an open mind on players who have their ups and downs.
> It`s a shame some fans don`t feel the same way.
>
>
The irony
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Mon 29 Dec 15:21
I for one hope that Deniz will still be with us next season. I think he`s an asset to the Club, on and off the pitch, and a great help to the younger keepers.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 29 Dec 16:06
Thing with Deniz is - you’re judged pretty much on first impressions really aren’t you and can be difficult to change.
Deniz was absolutely horrendous in his initial games, some howlers.
He then spent most of the time scared to come out and own his box, lacked any confidence, flapped at everything.
He had one good season under McPake when we won the league when he had one of the best defensive back four for that division.
Then there was stalling over a contract deal that I wasn’t convinced he fully merited but to give him 3 years was an odd decision.
He is a good penalty stopper. Terrell is young and will make mistakes but his distribution is better, commands the box better, comes out to clear balls better (although Tobi was better).
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Mon 29 Dec 16:28
I wouldn`t be bothered if we let Deniz go at the end of the season. Deniz has been second choice and not trusted by everyone since the McPake days, and opting for untested younger keepers from both sides of the Glasgow divide instead of the experienced goalkeeper spoke volumes.
He has a chance with Terrell sitting out due to disciplinary issues, and it`s up to him to grab the No. 1 spot and potentially a new contract. I personally think we should move on.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Mon 29 Dec 16:48
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 29 Dec 15:04
I don`t get upset if a player doesn`t acknowledge the fans, nor do I have a `sweaty love in` with any of them. The fact that you`re now blaming him by association for everything that`s gone wrong in his time at the club speaks volumes as does your reference to penalties - which I hope was a poor attempt at humour.
NL seemed to appreciate his contribution on Saturday and that`s all that matters really. Good managers don`t hold any grudges and keep an open mind on players who have their ups and downs. It`s a shame some fans don`t feel the same way.
At no point did I blame him for everything Eric. Just stating a very point that he is not good enough. End of.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Dec 16:59
`This guy has been part of every downfall since he signed his first contract at the Pars.`
What does that mean then? And who is Eric?
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Mon 29 Dec 17:37
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 29 Dec 16:59
`This guy has been part of every downfall since he signed his first contract at the Pars.`
What does that mean then? And who is Eric?
Exactly what it says.
He wasn’t good enough to play in front of an (albeit now English championship ) young keeper when we were relegated and it’s still the case now.
He isn’t a championship level goalkeeper. Prove me otherwise. Even when he was injured and we brung in sharp from Dundee, people were complaining Deniz was our number one. I’ve seen you come away with some wild dross on here but being a deniz fan boy sums you up!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Dec 19:13
So you didn`t blame him for everything but now you do. I`ve never been called a `fan boy` before but, considering my age, I`ll take it as a compliment.
You can`t `prove` anything that`s based on opinions. According to your profile you`ve only made 19 posts. Why the sudden prolificity? Maybe I should post some more `wild dross` just to encourage you. Haven`t you noticed there are other posters who think Deniz has been harshly criticised?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Dec 19:33
If Deniz was better than he is, he wouldn`t be playing for us. Terrell seems a good keeper but, like Deniz, would play in the Premier if he was better. Both are good keepers but people will always get angry about dodgy kicks or poor goals being conceded. I`m not sure who in the Championship would be a considerable upgrade tbh.
Munn has potential but he`s a loan so no point in getting too attached.
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Mon 29 Dec 19:39
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 29 Dec 19:13
So you didn`t blame him for everything but now you do. I`ve never been called a `fan boy` before but, considering my age, I`ll take it as a compliment.
You can`t `prove` anything that`s based on opinions. According to your profile you`ve only made 19 posts. Why the sudden prolificity? Maybe I should post some more `wild dross` just to encourage you. Haven`t you noticed there are other posters who think Deniz has been harshly criticised?
You were the only one who came at me quoting my post Eric. I defended it.
Have I meant to be ashamed that I’ve only posted 19 times? The amount you post on here is valid enough evidence that volume doesn’t constitute quality.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 29 Dec 19:41
I think Munn will be going back to Rangers.i can see us working with Terrel and Mehmet for the remainder of the season. We have a greater need to bring in a forward player or two.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 29 Dec 19:51
Mehmet is a decent enough keeper at this level. I wouldn`t be too concerned if he was number 1 for the rest of the season.
Evan Sofar seemed to hint in a tweet that it was a mistake by the previous owners to give someone at 30 years old a 3 year deal (although didn`t name him specifically) and I have heard it said that he was given big money, so I`d be surprised if his deal was extended
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 29 Dec 20:00
I think his tweet was made in March this year in response to someone elses and referred to a 28 year old given a 3 year deal with no resale value to try and stave off relegation. I don`t think that was a reference to Deniz.
I would hope that the owners would have a level of professionalism that rises above making such statements about our own players and their financial agreements with the club.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Mon 29 Dec 20:02)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 30 Dec 00:34
I’ve got to be honest, it never worked out for Munn and him going back and leaving us with Terrell and Mehmet isn’t leaving us in a bad situation.
On performance, I think Terrell is a better keeper. We’ve picked him up from Bournemouth where he was let go but they’re operating at a much higher level than us. I think he’s got potential to play at a higher level than the Scottish Championship. To me it’s a no brainier to give him the opportunity. It would be mad to stick with Mehmet who we know is at his ceiling and will never have either a sell on fee or be good enough to play in the Scottish premiership as a number 1
COYP
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Tue 30 Dec 08:50
I`ve never been a deniz fan, but to be fair this season he has hardly put a foot wrong. He was good in the league cup games, then was out the picture for a good while. He again played well away at Ayr and did fine against the wee team. I would be happy to have him around as a back up to push for the no 1 position if the deal is right. He seems to be a high earner too so will he want to drop a significant amount money
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Tue 30 Dec 10:01
I think he’s a decent backup keeper and has done ok in his last few appearances.
He’s rumoured to be on decent money though so that might be the deciding factor on whether he is here next season. Especially if he isn’t going to be first choice.
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Tue 30 Dec 12:05
Deniz has been backup for almost his whole career, started about 22 games by the time he joined us age 28. He`s been benched for every Pars manager since Grant. No doubt he`s a decent back up (and I`d rather have him than Munn) but at 33 we can`t be relying on him to go up a level and hold down the #1 spot in the Championship
Folk point to his clean sheet record in league one, but it doesn`t tell the full story, if i remember right Chris Smith broke a similar record in the season we went up to the Prem, and he was hands down the worst keeper I`ve ever seen at EEP. Maybe even the worst footballer I`ve seen for the pars, jesus
No denying Mehmet has been solid every time we`ve called on his this season though & I`d happily have him as back up for another contract, he`ll know he`ll be on a reduced wage whether he stays with us or finds another team, if what people say about his current contract is true
I`m not as sold on Terrell as some on here, but obviously he`s young and has potential. It`s hard to find an established keeper at our level, our best in years was Tobi who was a bit raw to start with too, so I`m all for giving Terrell time.
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