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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:31
Title says it all. No progress, some amount of money spent to get to play-offs and we are 6 points off bottom in mid February. Lenny - yer tea`s oot.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:32
All the backing he`s had and we`re back to being relegation fodder. Unacceptable.
Poor attack he never been able to fix, Slow starts, never been able to fix and now in freefall. I had high hopes for him but it`s just getting worse. apart for three games we`ve been very poor since November.
Post Edited (Sat 21 Feb 16:35)
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:34
This is just as bad as our last 2 seasons.
No improvement at all.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:39
Loss against Thistle and he should walk, he is clueless and you can see how he has lost previous jobs. One dimensional tactics.
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:39
I’m not quite in the Lennon out camp yet, extremely disappointed with his tactics, the way we start a lot of games, never addressing the striker situation and his signings are questionable. It’s different players, different management and different owners, but like the last few seasons hoping to avoid relegation to League One seems to be the best we can achieve.
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Topic Originator: sjapar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:41
What backing has he had ? We haven’t hardly spent any money at all on players .
Sja
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:43
Regardless of what happens today an `.....Out` thread would have been started far sooner for other managers tbf.
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:43
Aw feck up, trust the process, next season is our season
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:44
I think he needs to figure it out but for balance we are closer to the promotion play offs right now than we are to the relegation play offs. We also have 2 games in hand over Airdrie.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:45
What’s annoying me about Lennon is he knows what’s wrong as he points it out in his post match interviews.
But if he’s unable to correct this then that would suggest he’s not the man for the job. Presumably quite a few of this seasons signings are his players?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:51
AS you say Berkey NL always ponts what`s wrong out
But never eve addresses it
Certainly looks like he should stick to being a pundit !
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:53
No improvement, lots of money put in, and we have made zero progress and still relegation battling. Joke.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:56
Scunnered with this………………
It promised so much at times but a year down the road and we are right back where we started.
Really don’t know where we go from here.
You’ve seen the Pars now please go home!
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:57
It’s the same old story. Some of the goals today were comical. We look rudderless. Out played and out fought by a part time outfit. Sums it all up
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:58
Players are just going through the motions, no fight, determination or desire.
Lennon obviously can’t get the team up for a game.
I’m dreading the next 3 games, our home form is dreadful.
If we lose then he has to go.
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Topic Originator: mac
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:59
He spends too much time on football panels criticising celtic while ignoring pars faults
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Sat 21 Feb 16:59
Only silver lining that I can see is that in the summer a few of the (supposed) high earners` contracts are up and we can spend the wages elsewhere
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:07
Likely the biggest budget outwith the two relegated teams and i`d be very surprised if he himself isn`t the highest paid manager in the league.
Cup run is buying him a bit of leeway but Mr Bord must be having a few serious concerns.
Stick with him, get the rest of the dead wood out the door in the summer and back him some more.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:11
Jealous there was only Todd and mullan in today’s team who were here last season.
What makes you think getting the high earners away and bringing in new players is going to work next season?
We’ve brought in Morrison recently and he doesn’t look like a top half championship player so far.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:24
sack him right now, is it going to make this group of players any better? no chance.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:25
Quote:
GJS93, Sat 21 Feb 17:24
sack him right now, is it going to make this group of players any better? no chance.
Agree should be gone tonight
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:30
Quote:
sjapar, Sat 21 Feb 16:41
What backing has he had ? We haven’t hardly spent any money at all on players .
This has to be a wind up surely? 🤔 we’ve paid plenty of fees for players since Bord took over, including £100k on Kearney….:
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:37
Think we spent money on Morrison no ?
We would have been better with Aiden Nesbit..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Ianoappar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:43
Mistakes by our own players are costing us goals,today again an ongoing problem,Top four let`s just hope we don`t get relegated,because that the downward spiral we are on.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:43
No doubt he’s made mistakes but sacking him is stupid
COYP
Post Edited (Sat 21 Feb 17:43)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:44
Quote:
desparado, Sat 21 Feb 17:37
Think we spent money on Morrison no ?
We would have been better with Aiden Nesbit..
😂😂😂🤣🤣
COYP
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:46
Correct about him pointing out issues after games, but the next game is the same. What`s the problem ? Does he give them the hairdryer treatment maybe, who knows.
It only looks like, to us, as a manager/coach he struggles without big pots of cash or having the best players.
He needs to start proving he`s better than that or his time will be up soon.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:48
If we don’t take anything from the next 3 games he needs to go.
I personally don’t see anything other than 3 defeats coming as I’ve explained in the Lennon IN thread.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:49
No having us slabbering over Barney AND Nisbett from them over in Forth Valley. Stop it.
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:53
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 21 Feb 17:48
If we don’t take anything from the next 3 games he needs to go.
I personally don’t see anything other than 3 defeats coming as I’ve explained in the Lennon IN thread.
For who?
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:57
I just wonder if NL has got board with the challenge and just expected it to happen without putting in too much effort. Championship is a different beast from the SPL.
We just don’t seem to close down teams. I actually think our back 3 were looking great Mullen, Abdulai and Ngwenya now we are leaking goals and these guys seem to have lost their confidence! Keeper situation as a nightmare. Mehmet is just too unreliable and just sells games!!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:58
This league involves fine margins. You have to keep your discipline, stop complaining about refereeing decisions, and focis on addressing the main issues. Its poor decisionmaking in the final third, and individual errors tgat is costing us games
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 21 Feb 17:58
We also spent money on rudden, mcleod, Fraser and presumably Abdulai. Add to that bray last season and young.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 21 Feb 18:04
Sacktheref69 if we are to lose the next 3 games, which would mean we’d have lost out last 6 home games, is that acceptable for any manager to keep his job?
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 21 Feb 19:02
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 21 Feb 18:04
Sacktheref69 if we are to lose the next 3 games, which would mean we’d have lost out last 6 home games, is that acceptable for any manager to keep his job?
I`ll answer yours once you answer mine.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 21 Feb 19:11
There’s bound to be managers out there that have the ability to manage a team and get them up for a game.
We have a good squad on paper and if the manager can’t get them playing that’s on him to an extend.
McPake had a better home record than Lennon and was punted, unfairly IMO, as he wasn’t backed.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 21 Feb 19:11
I dont think we will be in a relegation battle but we need to be savvy and learn to win games. A couple of winscand we are back up there. It will be a big ask to get into the playoffs now I think, but that has to remain the focus. Time to step up to the challenge
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 21 Feb 19:13
Playoffs, in terms of top 4, are well out with our ability now.
We need to just pick up points and finish mid table at best.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sat 21 Feb 19:30
Absolutely scandalous that we’re scrapping with the likes of Morton and airdrie now considering the clear gulf in budgets. Morrison, Kearney, Fraser, Abdulai, Rudden.. all signed for transfer fees. Arguably the most backed manager in our history when it comes to the number of players bought, not signed on free transfers.
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 21 Feb 19:36
Our recruitment is absolutely shocking
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Topic Originator: gordi-b
Date: Sat 21 Feb 19:40
We are rudderless on the pitch, we have no leader, making Mullen Captain presumably to encourage him to sign a new deal , unfortunately he is not captain material and perhaps not as good as himself and his agent think he is albeit he is a good player who could do with another couple of seasons with us . The only other Captain would be Benny who is probably coming to the end of his career or Hamilton who can,t stay on the pitch long enough to be a leader. we need someone with a bit of drive an enthusiasm to push the young lads forward
G.B
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 21 Feb 19:47
This season was always going to be about building a team and giving young players experience. I had hoped we would achieve a top four finish, but that is looking more and more unlikely on recent form lets be honest. The biggest challenge is getting in forward players. In this league you need a big strong forward line as it is more about physically being able to pressure defences. I appreciate playees coming in on loan, but you really need your own players in those key positions.
Defensively I like JCM and Nuru but we leak goals so there is a bit of an issue there. Teams are getting behind us and causing us problems. We have a reputation of losing goals early. Not a good reputation to have. I think we need Bene back as captain even if we play with three at the back.
Much talk of JCM moving on. Im not sure of the situatoon, but if he wants to move on, you cant stand in his way. I would be happy to see MFW back even for a fee. He chipped in with goals.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 21 Feb 22:00)
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Sat 21 Feb 20:26
8 wins from 24 league games is poor given the backing Lennon has had. McPake would’ve done better IMO if he had been give the same budget. Lennon is a flat track bully who is used to having everything his own way at Celtic.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:57
This thread is ridiculous, one or two really needing to give their heads a wobble and now we get McPake would do better🤷♂️We’re building a team and building the experience of young players. NL has had two transfer windows these things need time but sadly that’s not something some on this forum are prepared to give. Ive every confidence NL will turn this around. It’s a work in progress, we’ve a cup quarter final, the first in 17 years and enough games left to ensure we improve on last season. We’ve had to endure Hughes, Grant, McPake and Tidser and some still don’t believe the club is improving? It’s in the best shape for years and a couple of bad results won’t change that. Moderate your expectations and have some patience.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 21 Feb 22:42
Lennons had 2 windows yes, so why haven’t we signed a first choice keeper?
He obviously wasn’t impressed with Mehmet last season as he stuck with Tobi. We only brought in Terrell in the summer.
It’s an area that’s needed sorted for years.
Same with the striker situation, needed addressed last season and here was are still with Kane our only number 9.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 22:55
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sat 21 Feb 22:42
Lennons had 2 windows yes, so why haven’t we signed a first choice keeper?
He obviously wasn’t impressed with Mehmet last season as he stuck with Tobi. We only brought in Terrell in the summer.
It’s an area that’s needed sorted for years.
Same with the striker situation, needed addressed last season and here was are still with Kane our only number 9.
And the striker you’d have brought in would have been?
There was a fair number of fans celebrating Terrell’s contract extension earlier in the week.
We’re a championship team I don’t know how many players of the quality you require would be willing to take the step down therefore we need to build with young players with potential.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 21 Feb 23:23
Didn`t we sign Rudden to address the striker situation? He got injured so we brought in Barney on loan. As soon as he returned to Falkirk Rudden was back but unfortunately dislocated his shoulder. Top strikers aren`t easy to find in the January window.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 23:24
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 21 Feb 23:23
Didn`t we sign Rudden to address the striker situation? He got injured so we brought in Barney on loan. As soon as he returned to Falkirk Rudden was back but unfortunately dislocated his shoulder. Top strikers aren`t easy to find in the January window.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 22 Feb 00:31
I wanted us to bring in Tony Watt or Louis Moult at striker. Both were available and looking for a club.
I don’t doubt we had targets up front and at goalkeeper in the summer that fell through for various reasons tho. I’d hope this summer we will be more successful in the window and get the pieces we really need.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sun 22 Feb 01:13
Good post warringtonpar.Common sense at last.
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Sun 22 Feb 07:53
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 21 Feb 23:23
Didn`t we sign Rudden to address the striker situation? He got injured so we brought in Barney on loan. As soon as he returned to Falkirk Rudden was back but unfortunately dislocated his shoulder. Top strikers aren`t easy to find in the January window.
St Johnstone managed to sign 2. No excuses for our recruitment, Lennon, Bord, Cook whoever has had the last 3 to fix issues yet we have a hugely worrying GK situation and no real attack
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sun 22 Feb 08:06
Quote:
Hunter78, Sun 22 Feb 07:53
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 21 Feb 23:23
Didn`t we sign Rudden to address the striker situation? He got injured so we brought in Barney on loan. As soon as he returned to Falkirk Rudden was back but unfortunately dislocated his shoulder. Top strikers aren`t easy to find in the January window.
St Johnstone managed to sign 2. No excuses for our recruitment, Lennon, Bord, Cook whoever has had the last 3 to fix issues yet we have a hugely worrying GK situation and no real attack
It’s hard when we sign a striker like Rudden and he’s only played 8 out of a possible 21 league games. You can’t really factor that in when we sign him. We are also lumbered with Kane (who’s unreliable) and KRH, who isn’t good enough, both on big wages and long contracts from the previous regime. If these guys fall out of favour or get injured, they still have to be paid.
My biggest gripe is that when we play a back five, we also play two deep lying midfielders in Gilmour and Amade. That’s seven players in defensive positions, and it’s never going to work when the opposition are asking us to break down a low block. I’m hoping Cooper is fit soon as he could be the one to drive forward and make things happen.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sun 22 Feb 09:28
There are strikers out there.
Like said above St Johnstone brought 2 in who were available.
Morton brought in a striker in Main.
Do we actually look for players who are available or just automatically jump down to the English championship academies?
Recruitment is an issue. Yea Rudden was brought in for the striker position and got injured, we still had time to bring in someone during January and haven still currently with the loan window open. Throw in the fact Kane can’t play more than 45mins, it’s a concern.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 22 Feb 09:32
I’m not Lennon out just yet, but I do think questions need to be asked and I do have concerns that he’s not the manager most of us thought he was.
In front of the camera, he generally says the right things…although our views maybe differ after match at times….but he never seem to address these problems adequately. New players come in, but yet we start slow, give away sloppy goals, slow in the build up, one dimensional yadda yadda yadda.
The signing policy is the signing policy, and it’s one that I agree with, but when Lennon and everyone can see we lack experience, we address this by signing a winger to play out of position and a Centre Midfielder who looked way off it against the League 1 whipping boys and has so much going on in his personal life, that it’s understandable that his mind and priorities aren’t on his football at this moment in time.
I could go on and on, but a lot of my views have already been said. It is a project and it was never going to be turned around in 2 transfer windows, but we should be seeing better progress than this. Lennon came out and was frosty with the fans after the Kelty game, words to the affect of “I don’t care, I don’t care how we played. We’re in the quarter final for the first time in years and people need to remember that” and that’s fine to say that, if you keep winning, but we haven’t, so these comments grind more than they probably should.
Lennon out…..not yet, but he needs to start getting it right and he needs to drop the “you’re lucky to have me” attitude and get it sorted. He’s praised the backing from the stands along with the support from the board and the owners, so he can’t have any excuse and he can’t continue with this weak, possession based football that has cost others before him their job.
The next 3 games are 3 6 pointers, I don’t hold out much hope of getting something out of Tuesday, but we must start to see improvement, or as has been seen on this thread, I think sections of the support will start being vocal against him.
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sun 22 Feb 09:48
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Sun 22 Feb 09:28
There are strikers out there.
Like said above St Johnstone brought 2 in who were available.
Morton brought in a striker in Main.
Do we actually look for players who are available or just automatically jump down to the English championship academies?
Recruitment is an issue. Yea Rudden was brought in for the striker position and got injured, we still had time to bring in someone during January and haven still currently with the loan window open. Throw in the fact Kane can’t play more than 45mins, it’s a concern.
Thomas came in. It’s not his fault that our strikers are feeding off scraps at the moment. You still haven’t given me a name of who you’re bringing in if you sack Lennon?
Let me be clear here, do I think Lennon needs to sort it out? Absolutely. But I’ve yet to see anyone mention who they would bring in. It’s worth remembering that any new manager would still have the same squad that you keep telling people isn’t good enough. So it begs the question: is there any point in paying off a manager when it’s the same pool of players you think aren’t good enough? Also worth remembering we are closer to 4th than 9th.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sun 22 Feb 10:30
St Johnstone brought in 2 strikers when they were 8 points clear at the top of the league, these boys could smell the premier league plus they still have incoming transfer fees and parachute payments to throw around.
Imagine the noise on here if we’d signed Fowler and he turned in a performance like he did on Friday night. We’ll be fine, get behind the team.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 22 Feb 11:27
they werent available early in the window when the club needed at least one forward to come in, the club signed two, they have been criticised in the past for being slow in the market, should they have waited on players who might not have become available at all or might have had no interest in coming here?
"we still had time to bring in someone during January and haven still currently with the loan window open. Throw in the fact Kane can’t play more than 45mins, it’s a concern.
they already brought two forwards in, Rudden got injured after the window had closed and there might not be a single forward available on loan, even if there is again they might have no interest in coming here.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sun 22 Feb 11:34
I`m not sure I agree with the fact about calling for Lennon to be ousted and looking for a replacement already.
Is Lennon the problem he is obviously the one that carries the can, but does he need an upgrade in his backroom staff to help him
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Topic Originator: DA_NO1
Date: Sun 22 Feb 12:41
a lot of bed wetting going on in here.
sucess takes time, there will be ups and down on the way but changing managers and starting again from scracth isnt the answer.
there is no quick fixes in scottish football.
"a picture paints a thousand words"
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sun 22 Feb 14:43
Quote:
DA_NO1, Sun 22 Feb 12:41
a lot of bed wetting going on in here.
sucess takes time, there will be ups and down on the way but changing managers and starting again from scracth isnt the answer.
there is no quick fixes in scottish football.
Well said 💯
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 22 Feb 17:31
Cannot believe some of you guys on here. We are still
within getting 4th place in the league and we are in the
last 8 of the Scottish cup. Lennon will sort it out.
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sun 22 Feb 18:37
I would not be surprised at all if Lennon gets another charge regarding his post match comments on the referee performance, yesterday.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 22 Feb 19:28
Quote:
WarringtonPar, Sun 22 Feb 14:43
Quote:
DA_NO1, Sun 22 Feb 12:41
a lot of bed wetting going on in here.
sucess takes time, there will be ups and down on the way but changing managers and starting again from scracth isnt the answer.
there is no quick fixes in scottish football.
Well said 💯
Absolutely this. Wasn’t so long ago we beat Hibs and the wee team away. Always going to be ups and downs. But we do need a striker.
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Topic Originator: andycarp
Date: Sun 22 Feb 21:35
Sack Lennon and the owners will sell up.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 22 Feb 21:50
Quote:
andycarp, Sun 22 Feb 21:35
Sack Lennon and the owners will sell up.
Well done. You`ve won the stupidest post of the day.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Sun 22 Feb 23:25
Ridiculous bedwetting after just three bad games. Barring the errors, Arbroath was much improved, and with a bit of luck, we may have scored a couple more. Cut out the poor errors and there was a good chance we would have have got one and possibly three points from a game against the third best team in the league in conditions and on a pitch not the most condusive for good football.
We are a work in progress - and for me, there has been significant progress. We are generally much better to watch, and the squad`s average skill level is higher. At times we can be very good with the three game Raith, Hibs and St J being our best spell of the season. People have short memories - we are in a Scottish Cup Quarter Final for the first time in 17 years, deservedly knocking out Premier League opposition.
We are all frustrated by so many slow starts and slow tempo until we are behind. Hopefully we can somehow find a way to stop doing that. As the younger players get more experience they should get better.
I would however like to see creative players like Josh Cooper given more game time.
Let`s hope we can bounce back on Tuesday and Billy Terrell is fit to play.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 23 Feb 03:12
A good summation of our current situation. Well said, RhinoPars.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Mon 23 Feb 08:14
excellent RhinoPars.
I was under the impression we had 2 games in hand, some points from there will improve the situation.
business part of the season coming up Neil Lennon has to stay and be supported
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Mon 23 Feb 09:10
I’m not a NL out fan. I want him to succeed for the supporters and club.
However, I am starting to question whether he is really fully committed to the job and whether there is an arrogance and expectation that is holding us back.
The fact that the team is inconsistent and so poor at times and yet NL has not addressed this issue. From my understanding if the team did badly NL was on players cases and they made damn sure they got it right! What’s happened to that approach as the players continually just dish out the same performances and errors!
People also ask what other manager would we get? Well Arbroath, Airdrie, Partick Thistle, Morton, Ayr all seem to have found Managers who know how to play and get results in this league. How would they fair with the budget at EEP? Why do their performances appear to be more consistent than ours?
We can’t keep losing to the teams below us. I think we are in relegation fight now - losing the last 3 to Morton, Airdrie and Arbroath does not look good especially when we have been outplayed in at least 2 of these matches!! Lose to QP and Ross County and my view of NL could change.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Mon 23 Feb 09:44
Things are not going our way at the moment. It will
get better. Also remember some the horrible ref decisions
have not helped. We`ve had no penalties in the league
this season, and I`ve seen some stonewall pens
disallowed.
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Mon 23 Feb 10:09
Quote:
summeragent, Mon 23 Feb 09:10
I’m not a NL out fan. I want him to succeed for the supporters and club.
However, I am starting to question whether he is really fully committed to the job and whether there is an arrogance and expectation that is holding us back.
The fact that the team is inconsistent and so poor at times and yet NL has not addressed this issue. From my understanding if the team did badly NL was on players cases and they made damn sure they got it right! What’s happened to that approach as the players continually just dish out the same performances and errors!
People also ask what other manager would we get? Well Arbroath, Airdrie, Partick Thistle, Morton, Ayr all seem to have found Managers who know how to play and get results in this league. How would they fair with the budget at EEP? Why do their performances appear to be more consistent than ours?
We can’t keep losing to the teams below us. I think we are in relegation fight now - losing the last 3 to Morton, Airdrie and Arbroath does not look good especially when we have been outplayed in at least 2 of these matches!! Lose to QP and Ross County and my view of NL could change.
I’m not sure how we can be in a relegation fight when we’re closer to 4th than 9th. We are definitely in a rut, and if it continues, we could get dragged into a relegation battle, although it’s all ifs, buts, and maybes at the moment. It’s an annoying slump, but for now, that’s all it is.
In 10 days, once we’ve played the massive games coming up, we can reassess. But right now, we’re closer to 4th than 9th with 2 games in hand over Airdrie.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 23 Feb 10:31
I think the issue istgat qe play better agains teams like St J because it suits our style of play. We struggle where we need to go to mid and bottom league teams and dig out results. Its a different style and mindset.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 23 Feb 12:23
We seemed to have some divine right to beat Arbroath on Saturday, a team flying this season and in the top thee in the league.
We dominated for long periods of the match and played better than the Morton match, unfortunately we lost a goalie to injury and our defence was not the greatest.
Lets see where the next run of games takes us, as most say any team could beat anyone in this league!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 23 Feb 13:28
I tgink we have players who are good enough. We are able to play out of the back and through midfield but we huff and puff to get behind defences. I thinks that is because its more comfortable to knock the ball around in defence and midfield short passes rather than having a bit of movement up front to pass the ball behind defenders so they are running back towards their own goal. We are not good enough in the final third to pressure defences when we build up slowly and allow them to organise at the back. We dont run at defences, passes into your own forward players with their back to goal doesnt help them. Invariably they knock it back to the midfield or defence.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Mon 23 Feb 13:52
We struggle against teams who allow us to have possession because we struggle to break teams down.
Games in which we have taken points are when we play on the counter.
Our last game at home to Partick they allowed us more possession and yet they won 2 nil and had more attempts.
It’s a tricky situation we find ourselves in and we need to pickup some points over the next 8 days.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Mon 23 Feb 18:18
Have you ever listened or talked to Neil Lennon?
I like what he says and how he does it, he will pull us through
No wonder he disagrees with the refs!
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Mon 23 Feb 19:22
The absolute state of some of you you can’t seriously blame the manager for a group of so called professional football players inability to carry out a set of simple instructions without making a total bottom of it?
granted most of the squad are his players now and when they play well they are virtually unbeatable and Neil Lennon becomes the best thing since sliced bread but when we are playing badly and things don’t go our way you all start screaming for his head or getting on the players backs is it really a surprise when players we should be looking to sign turn us down?
Anyone who thought Neil Lennon would bring us instant success seriously needs to give their heads a wobble as that was never going to happen with a squad of players this young mistakes were always going to be made along the way this season sacking him now achieves absolutely nothing as any new manager coming in will inherit the same inconsistent group of players then we are back to square one again
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Mon 23 Feb 21:11
Worst thread i`ve seen on here, the absolute entitlement is actually embarrassing honestly, give ur heeds a wobble, honest to god man, brutal patter from some and utter bedwetting
COYP
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Topic Originator: Lenstar
Date: Mon 23 Feb 21:16
Get this thread deleted, utter drivel
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Mon 23 Feb 21:51
Let the management team do their job.You can tell hes not happy with the results ,thats down to the players ,they need to produce .Say they decide to sack the manage who would be the replacement ! N.L.And his staff need a couple of seasons
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 22:27
Neil and his staff,need our backing for the rest of the season. Having been a fan for 62 years,believe me ,we have had more rocky situations than this. We will improve,and over a couple of seasons,reap the benefits of the work going on now. Just need a bit of patience,and realisation,that it’s not an overnight fix.Anyway,I will be at every home game,no matter what.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Mon 23 Feb 22:34
Quote:
twin par, Mon 23 Feb 22:27
Neil and his staff,need our backing for the rest of the season. Having been a fan for 62 years,believe me ,we have had more rocky situations than this. We will improve,and over a couple of seasons,reap the benefits of the work going on now. Just need a bit of patience,and realisation,that it’s not an overnight fix.Anyway,I will be at every home game,no matter what.
Agree
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 22:45
Thanks rigger.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Tue 24 Feb 00:21
Remember it was always stated that this was a season to build, so Neil stay, as next tear will be even better
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Tue 24 Feb 07:36
He also said failure to finish top 4 would be a failure did he not?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 24 Feb 12:18
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Tue 24 Feb 07:36
He also said failure to finish top 4 would be a failure did he not?
He hasn`t failed to do that as far as I know
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 24 Feb 20:13
Bump ….itis coming, players have chucked it. Dreadful start to a match.
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Tue 24 Feb 20:39
Agree it was a dreadful start but it`s just bollox to suggest the players have chucked it. No sign of that whatsoever.
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Topic Originator: Polt
Date: Tue 24 Feb 21:13
Lennon needs to send out the best team every time - he doesn’t seem to know what that is just now. He starts in a formation and needs to change it despite the boys being trained to the original formation.
Confidence is still an issue - he needs to take a leaf out of him jefferies book and do what he done with our basically youth team at the time. Remember the ring a ring a Rosie’s … he made them go out and play our game - not theirs. He took young players and gave them confidence they could perform well above what they were accustomed to.
I really think he needs to change dynamics in his training to reinforce that we play our game
I will say though and this was a key on why the players played better! We were in admin - nothing else mattered but our survival and we passed on our gratefulness to these players and supported them even when they screwed up.
Just my tuppence worth
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Tue 24 Feb 21:25
[Post Deleted] - Rude or abusive message
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 24 Feb 21:53
We just got a hard fought draw against the 2nd favourites after going behind twice. We are still only 4 points off the playoffs.
Hardly a shambles.
We stopped the rot today. Hopefully 3 points on saturday
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 24 Feb 21:53
Quote:
Row_ZZ, Tue 24 Feb 21:25
12 defeats and relegation places are a couple of defeats away. This is a complete shambles of a season yet again. Get tae fck Lenny.
Thanks for the constructive input
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Tue 24 Feb 22:15
Quote:
Row_ZZ, Tue 24 Feb 21:25
12 defeats and relegation places are a couple of defeats away. This is a complete shambles of a season yet again. Get tae fck Lenny.
Embarrassing post btw 👍
COYP
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 24 Feb 22:47
Row ZZ in the Norrie by any chance????🤔
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Tue 24 Feb 23:04
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 24 Feb 21:53
We just got a hard fought draw against the 2nd favourites after going behind twice. We are still only 4 points off the playoffs.
Hardly a shambles.
We stopped the rot today. Hopefully 3 points on saturday
Even better than that - we are only 3 points off 4th place, and it`s not beyond the bounds of possibility that at 5pm on Saturday we will be in a play-off position. (All if`s and but`s and maybe`s, but it`s still there to be grasped.,)
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Tue 24 Feb 23:12
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Tue 24 Feb 22:47
Row ZZ in the Norrie by any chance????🤔
Eh? Not me ur talking about right?
COYP
Post Edited (Tue 24 Feb 23:13)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 25 Feb 00:23
Quote:
Stanza, Tue 24 Feb 23:04
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 24 Feb 21:53
We just got a hard fought draw against the 2nd favourites after going behind twice. We are still only 4 points off the playoffs.
Hardly a shambles.
We stopped the rot today. Hopefully 3 points on saturday
Even better than that - we are only 3 points off 4th place, and it`s not beyond the bounds of possibility that at 5pm on Saturday we will be in a play-off position. (All if`s and but`s and maybe`s, but it`s still there to be grasped.,)
I was thinking 4 because they have a better goal diff.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Wed 25 Feb 00:38
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 25 Feb 00:23
Quote:
Stanza, Tue 24 Feb 23:04
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 24 Feb 21:53
We just got a hard fought draw against the 2nd favourites after going behind twice. We are still only 4 points off the playoffs.
Hardly a shambles.
We stopped the rot today. Hopefully 3 points on saturday
Even better than that - we are only 3 points off 4th place, and it`s not beyond the bounds of possibility that at 5pm on Saturday we will be in a play-off position. (All if`s and but`s and maybe`s, but it`s still there to be grasped.,)
I was thinking 4 because they have a better goal diff.
If we beat Queens Park and Ayr lose to St Johnstone, then we go above Ayr on Goals Scored or possibly on Goal Difference. Our league position would then depend on Raith`s result in Dingwall.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 25 Feb 00:43
Quote:
Stanza, Wed 25 Feb 00:38
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 25 Feb 00:23
Quote:
Stanza, Tue 24 Feb 23:04
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 24 Feb 21:53
We just got a hard fought draw against the 2nd favourites after going behind twice. We are still only 4 points off the playoffs.
Hardly a shambles.
We stopped the rot today. Hopefully 3 points on saturday
Even better than that - we are only 3 points off 4th place, and it`s not beyond the bounds of possibility that at 5pm on Saturday we will be in a play-off position. (All if`s and but`s and maybe`s, but it`s still there to be grasped.,)
I was thinking 4 because they have a better goal diff.
If we beat Queens Park and Ayr lose to St Johnstone, then we go above Ayr on Goals Scored or possibly on Goal Difference. Our league position would then depend on Raith`s result in Dingwall.
Hardly a disaster huh?
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Wed 25 Feb 07:43
We’re 3 points off 4th and 7 off 9th, and this post still has traction?WOW. I’m still waiting for an answer from the “Lennon Out” brigade as to who their chosen candidate would be. We’re still in with a shout, and until we’re out of the promotion race, Lennon and the team have my full support. If the reception he got before the game is anything to go by, the “Lennon Out” campaign severely lacks numbers.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 25 Feb 08:38
Quote:
Sacktheref69, Wed 25 Feb 07:43
We’re 3 points off 4th and 7 off 9th, and this post still has traction?WOW. I’m still waiting for an answer from the “Lennon Out” brigade as to who their chosen candidate would be. We’re still in with a shout, and until we’re out of the promotion race, Lennon and the team have my full support. If the reception he got before the game is anything to go by, the “Lennon Out” campaign severely lacks numbers.
Thats the beauty of this league, 2 losses can put u 4th to 8th, then 1 win and straight back to 4th again, it is such a tight league, so alot of bedwetting is bound to happen if u look st just league position alone
COYP
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Wed 25 Feb 09:27
I`m not in the "Lennon Out" brigade, but I think lots of people are legitimately concerned about the tactics, performances and some of our recruitment choices this season, as opposed to being `x` number of points away from `y`
Post Edited (Wed 25 Feb 09:27)
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 25 Feb 10:11
Interesting to me that Lennon changed formation mid-game last night and also made good use of the bench. Both made us better. Seems to me the kind of thing you hope for in a manager? He can`t really help it if goalies chuck goals in, strikers miss sitters or referees don`t give us penalties. I`m not saying he`s brilliant, but who would folk bring in? The ones whonqwee available in recent months have been the likes of Kettlewell, Imrie, Docherty, Murray and Davidson. Murray is the only one there you`d say has had any sort of positive impact?
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Wed 25 Feb 11:12
Listen, I don`t want Lennon out, and imo there is 0% chance of that happening anyway, but folk are still right to expect better - we have 8 points from the last 10 league games, that`s relegation form, not promotion form.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Wed 25 Feb 11:16
Its the old `who would do better?` question i suppose...
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Wed 25 Feb 11:45
Quote:
Connor560, Wed 25 Feb 11:16
Its the old `who would do better?` question i suppose...
I definitely want NL to stay and he has my backing. But if you are asking who would do better, then the answer is most of the championship managers at the moment, at least they are not any worse! Some are doing so with a much smaller budget!
This 2 year plan doesn’t really seem to be developing unless we go on a big unbeaten run! In the last 10 games we have the worst record in the league!
If we finish in the bottom half of the table is that a springboard to push for promotion next year? It just feels we bring in players who are no better than the ones we have and just end up warming the bench!
Just watched the Arbroath highlights. It felt like a defensive shambles! We also looked slow, not closing teams down, and then there is the goalkeeping errors!!
So what is the cause of our inconsistency, is it bad players/ recruitment, is it bad coaching, is it a failure to get the team motivated?
I am not having a go at the Management or players just trying to be objective.
However, the buck does stop with the manager, unfortunately for NL so whatever is the root of the problem he is responsible for sorting it. If we asked NL what improvements have been made to the team and overall performances what would the answer be?
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 25 Feb 12:19
I think the plan was to bring in younger players this season, bed them in a bit and then see what we need in the summer to make a proper push next season.
When we got to the end of the summer transfer window at the start of this season it was apparent to me we were not attempting to mount a serious title challenge.
There are several high earners who will be out of contract at the end of this season with little hope of renewal. How that budget is utilised going forward will define how next season goes. If spent wisely on good experienced pros who have the quality to be very effective at this level it could be very exciting.
We are an overly young team just now and we are seeing the predictable consequences of that. We look naive at times and at times have been bullied. We lack on park leadership.
I think Lennon is the right man to address this in the summer and will do so well if he is given free reign in the transfer window to sign a “ready to win now” team rather than advancing a project another year. I think next season is the right time to go for it. If we don’t recruit a bit more experience with quality then we will still struggle.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 25 Feb 12:19
I’ve been saying it for years but there is no substitute for experience in the Championship to get you out of it.
We don’t have enough seasoned pros playing week in week out just now to bring on the young players.
But, we are where we are and have a model the board are committed to so the secret is to keep these younger boys playing for us as long as possible and get some momentum.
In two years, these guys won’t be a young team anymore but a team with a fair amount of experience.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 25 Feb 12:33
Quote:
neilholland999, Wed 25 Feb 09:27
I`m not in the "Lennon Out" brigade, but I think lots of people are legitimately concerned about the tactics, performances and some of our recruitment choices this season, as opposed to being `x` number of points away from `y`
That`s because they have a different agenda to the folk who know what they are doing. Some fans just want instant success and believe they are entitled to it even if it means sacking managers who don`t comply with their agenda, or do things according to their limited understanding.
The same individuals are guilty on a regular basis.
The management are focused on the longer term success rather than the boom and burst that some fans can`t see beyond.
We are at a level where several teams have little between them and it only takes a slightly below or above par performance from either side to affect the result. A couple of bad ref calls or a wee rub o the green can decide any match in this league.
We have a bigger budget but it isnt so significantly bigger to make a big difference at this level. There are enough available players to fill every team quite evenly.
One or two signature players won`t make a significant difference.
It will take time to build an experienced consistent team. Meanwhile it looks like we are heading in the right direction.
There is also the business side. Nobody has bottomless pockets. It has always been the plan to develop and sell young talent.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Wed 25 Feb 17:41
Quote:
Never10yairds, Wed 25 Feb 12:19
I think the plan was to bring in younger players this season, bed them in a bit and then see what we need in the summer to make a proper push next season.
When we got to the end of the summer transfer window at the start of this season it was apparent to me we were not attempting to mount a serious title challenge.
There are several high earners who will be out of contract at the end of this season with little hope of renewal. How that budget is utilised going forward will define how next season goes. If spent wisely on good experienced pros who have the quality to be very effective at this level it could be very exciting.
We are an overly young team just now and we are seeing the predictable consequences of that. We look naive at times and at times have been bullied. We lack on park leadership.
I think Lennon is the right man to address this in the summer and will do so well if he is given free reign in the transfer window to sign a “ready to win now” team rather than advancing a project another year. I think next season is the right time to go for it. If we don’t recruit a bit more experience with quality then we will still struggle.
Thanks, that makes sense. Hopefully the youngsters will mature with experience. Think our back 3 are really good, and Fraser and Gilmour have been impressive 👍
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Wed 25 Feb 20:56
There is only so much a manager can control. He cant legislate for individual errors, sending offs or poor decision making. That has to be addressed by the players at the end of the day.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Wed 25 Feb 21:01
We`re just going through a sticky patch.
Neil Lennon for me is still a big deal for the Pars, and the type that might thrive here
He`s clearly still passionate, his knowledge is immense.
I`m still quite excited by all this, I get our players are too young, but this has been acknowledged already.
As soon as we hit a bad run, this forum fills up with guys we`ve never heard from- they are silent when we beat Hibs etc
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Wed 25 Feb 21:04
Do we really need a post about removing our manager ! We are still on line to possibly make play offs and a big cup game coming up .
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Wed 25 Feb 21:06
And a genuine cup run!
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