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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 24 Jun 17:20
Posted by Tartan Army:-
TARTAN ARMY — TODAY OF ALL DAYS ⚔️🏴
Today is the 24th of June. 712 years ago on this very date, Robert the Bruce and a band of outnumbered, battle-hardened Scots stood on the fields of Bannockburn and did the unthinkable. They looked a vastly superior English army in the eye — and they sent them homeward tae think again.
They didn’t win because the odds were in their favour. They won because of something no army could match — the unbreakable spirit of Scotland.
That spirit didn’t die on those fields. It lives on. Tonight, it plays football.
And here’s the thing that sends a shiver down the spine — tonight, at that stadium, the oldest football in the world will be present. Over 500 years old, discovered right there in Stirling Castle — the very heartland of Bannockburn — that wee leather ball has seen more Scottish history than any of us can imagine. Tonight it presides over our boys again.
Scotland vs Brazil. The World Cup. And all we need — a win, a draw, whatever it takes — to make history. To go through for the first time. Ever.
Bruce didn’t need a perfect plan. He needed heart, courage, and every man standing as one.
Scotland our national team and the Tartan Army — that’s you tonight. Every fan in that stadium, every soul watching from a pub in Paisley, a living room in Lerwick, a bar in Sydney or Boston or Dubai wearing the navy blue — you are the army.
Your ancestors didn’t just hand you a nation. They handed you this moment.
RISE. LIKE. NEVER. BEFORE. 💙
Come on Scotland. The whole of history is watching. 🏴🔵⚽
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Foresters Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 17:25
Okay. Calm down 😄
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 24 Jun 17:35
Still see a 4-0 whooping on the cards.
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Topic Originator: PeachtreePar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 19:44
I’ve been less than 8 miles from the Scotland training camp in Charlotte, NC this week but now find myself waiting to board a plane back to Atlanta when the Scotland v Brazil game is on. Not a great fan of my corporate travel company/company travel policies for not approving an earlier flight. So I’m hoping for some thunderstorm to delay the kickoff. I am wearing my Scotland top though.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Wed 24 Jun 20:55
I wax at both games in Boston and our performances and lack of any positive play was underwhelming. The stats don’t lie re shots on goal. We are too defensive and as everyone knows caution is Clarke’s thing. We can’t afford to be cavalier but we also can’t sit back and let Brazil play their own game. Most of the top teams are great going forward but are suspect under pressure. This is not the Brazil of old. We need to put them under pressure in the final third.
This is the moment for McTominay, McGinn, Robertson, Tierney et al to step up. They may not see another World Cup.
The fans out there are doing their bit and deserve a result.
Let’s go Scotland!
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Wed 24 Jun 21:39
Interesting line up...
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 24 Jun 21:56
Gunn
Patterson Hendry McKenna Robertson
Gannon-Doak McLean Ferguson McGinn
McTominay Shankland
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Wed 24 Jun 22:08
It’s a more attacking line up on paper. Worry about the right hand side defensively. Patterson/Doak looks suspect. We will soon find out.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 24 Jun 22:22
Quote:
Jimmy riddell, Wed 24 Jun 22:08
It’s a more attacking line up on paper. Worry about the right hand side defensively. Patterson/Doak looks suspect. We will soon find out.
Agree with all of that.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 24 Jun 22:28
It`s simple; just keep a clean sheet, lol.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:05
More like it.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:07
Well it was a good 5 mins while it lasted...
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:09
We do it to ourselves, shameful.
Really really poor.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:10
Only two goals to get ….
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:10
You couldn`t make it up.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:11
Not the best idea to try and dribble past a guy at the end of the box. Might get a bit more sleep though I suspect.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:11
fannying about, that ball should have been nowhere near the box.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:11
We just never learn,that’s amateurish.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:12
Was there not a hint of offside ?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:14
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 24 Jun 23:12
Was there not a hint of offside ?
Not even close. Our centre halves are so poor
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:17
It’s been a long time since we had a high quality centre back.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:19
Diabolical defending
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:21
Schoolboy mistake!😡🙈
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:23
That was bloody awful and Haiti are one up on Morocco
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:23
Wayhay .... we`re rubbish 🤣
Admin
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:23
I can never understand,how players at that level,make blunders like that.Its a total lack of concentration,oh and another blunder!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:24
I give up. ****. This.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:24
So, so poor, as always, a self inflicted whimper, gutting.
Edit : got off with that but surely there's only one outcome here?
Hopefully this post comes back to haunt me.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jun 23:26)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:24
Well Clarke is proving everybody wrong who was claiming we should play more football.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:25
Regardless of VAR, this is embarrassing
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:25
I felt there was a foul, if Hendry goes down straight away it wouldve been called at the time..
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:25
Goal chopped off!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:26
Wow, we have just got away with one.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:26
We can’t even do a basic ,clear our lines,and hoof it out the park! Regardless!
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jun 23:27)
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:26
Not convinced that was a foul like.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:27
Goalkeeper : Keep the ball out the net.
Fullbacks : Win tackles, stop crosses into the box.
Centrebacks : You think you can play football, you cant. Kick or head the ball as far away from the goal as possible.
No need for any more.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:27
Get out of jail card played.
Supporters sacrificed so much to be served up schoolboy stuff.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:27
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 24 Jun 23:14
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 24 Jun 23:12
Was there not a hint of offside ?
Not even close. Our centre halves are so poor
The penultimate touch was a Brazilian, not McKenna ?
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:27
Absolutely last warning now though. We can`t be caught like that again. Would be good to get into their final third at some point tonight too...
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:27
Foul for me.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:28
People go on and on and on about Steve Clarke but players need to do the basics
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:28
I`d already switched it off.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:29
He better change the tactics with this break in play. Get Hendry and McKenna telt to put it in the channels right away.
Thing is, if we get pumped 4/5-0 here and go out with a wimper, Clarke still has 4 more years in the job 😂
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:29
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 24 Jun 23:27
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 24 Jun 23:14
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 24 Jun 23:12
Was there not a hint of offside ?
Not even close. Our centre halves are so poor
The penultimate touch was a Brazilian, not McKenna ?
And Vini was behind McKenna 😂
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:29
If we had a goal disallowed for that, I would be fuming.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:29
Goal ruled out. Scotland must improve significantly or this could be a brutal humiliation. Not a sniff so far from the attack.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:30
It was definately a foul. We didn`t get out of jail. He was tripped.
Right var call
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:33
They Raphael Shyte themselves every time we go long.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:36
Not a foul for me. Centre backs still trying to play. They can’t. Just get Doak further up and play long balls out of defence and get the wee man to chase it
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:38
It was as clear a trip as any I`ve seen.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:39
McTominay just keeps giving the ball away he’s been murder.
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:41
According to Sky Sports app we’ve managed only 2 shots on goal in the tournament both against Haiti. Same Scotland, same p!sh!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:42
Quote:
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks like
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:39
McTominay just keeps giving the ball away he’s been murder.
He`s playing further up, you want advanced midfielders to take chances.
He`s doing fine.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:42
Quote:
Westies squint kicks, Wed 24 Jun 23:39
McTominay just keeps giving the ball away he’s been murder.
He’s had a very poor campaign
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:42
Morocco equalise
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:45
Haiti take the lead.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:49
And there ye go
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:50
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 24 Jun 23:42
Quote:
Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks like
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:39
McTominay just keeps giving the ball away he’s been murder.
He`s playing further up, you want advanced midfielders to take chances.
He`s doing fine.
Every time he gets the ball he loses it, hardly doing fine.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:50
Morocco equalise again
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:50
Shocking from Robertson there
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:51
I repeat,we will not and cannot clear our lines!🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:51
2-0. Just when Scotland were starting to look more secure. Damn!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:51
So many opportunities to clear that ball. Amateurish stuff.
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:53
That’s dreadful. Robertson trying to play a stupid pass to the edge of the box when he gets the break of the ball and McGinn trying to stick his bottom out to block the Brazilian rather than concentrate on playing the bloody ball.
Self inflicted again.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:53
Well, if we get pumped, then we won`t have to worry about other results.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:54
We’d have been as well staying in the hoose. Reeking performance again.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:55
This has 4/5-0 written all over it now.
We go out to get a goal, we get picked off.
We sit in and try keep it at 2-0, they work through us and get more.
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:56
Two poor goals to lose although credit to Brazil for their second once we had gifted them the ball trying to play out instead of clearing it to try to get in 1-0 at HT. Vinicius Jnr is some player
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jun 23:58)
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:56
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Wed 24 Jun 23:53
Well, if we get pumped, then we won`t have to worry about other results.
You’d be embarrassed given the performances so far if we were to qualify. Making up the numbers.
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Topic Originator: Par4ages
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:59
Total embarrassment in the defence 1st goal WOW second so many chances to clear it Paterson sleeping and Craig Gordon would have reached the cross to deflect it away. 4 more years of Clark oh dear.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:05
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 24 Jun 23:29
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 24 Jun 23:27
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 24 Jun 23:14
Quote:
veteraneastender, Wed 24 Jun 23:12
Was there not a hint of offside ?
Not even close. Our centre halves are so poor
The penultimate touch was a Brazilian, not McKenna ?
And Vini was behind McKenna 😂
Didn’t clock that until replay. Well spotted.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:06
I`m not sure you can blame the manager if players make such basic errors. It doesn`t matter what system you play if you can`t depend on players doing the basics right.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:07
1. If in doubt punt it
2. Don`t fanny around in your own box
3. Learn from your mistakes.
Every one of these we have committed regularly. And had them preached at us in school.
I have always thought our defence was inadequate, and are Sunday league standard.
And Clarke, who gave him more years, no!!
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:08
The problem isn`t Clarke... If anything, this shows why Clarke plays like how he does. We are so poor defensively, they look so dangerous every time they come forward (and when we have possession with the last man)...
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:09
Three halves of football, zero shots on target. We`ll be likely heading out along side Haiti but they`ll have scored more goals than us.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:22
Gunn has made some good saves
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Topic Originator: Beeches Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:27
On our way home now!
David G McLean
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:27
We don’t deserve to get out the group stages.
COYP
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:27
3-0 now. Brazil are gorgeous to watch.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:27
Four more years of this. But hey, at least we might qualify for another tournament we can embarrass ourselves at.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:30
The damage was done against Haiti when we could only score one against them. Getting gubbed by Brazil was always going to be part of any equation.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:31
Vini will get his hat trick soon I think
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:33
Quote:
WYPar, Thu 25 Jun 00:27
Four more years of this. But hey, at least we might qualify for another tournament we can embarrass ourselves at.
What’s Clarke supposed to do when we defend like we have. Really poor from McKenna, Henry and Robertson.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:36
The defending is awful.At any level,it was amateurish.Don’t know what players think about sometimes,it’s not bloody difficult to clear a ball into the car park!🤬
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:36
As Oz says - Brazil have been impressive. Was always going to be difficult for us with two top teams in the group.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:37
I`d be embarrassed if the Pars conceded goals like these.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:38
Our play is very predictable, just no invention or spark at all. No pace up front to mix things up between slow build up and going more direct.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:39
Quote:
Kdy Par, Thu 25 Jun 00:33
Quote:
WYPar, Thu 25 Jun 00:27
Four more years of this. But hey, at least we might qualify for another tournament we can embarrass ourselves at.
What’s Clarke supposed to do when we defend like we have. Really poor from McKenna, Henry and Robertson.
Perhaps it’s time to give others a chance instead of playing the same old guard time and time again ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:43
Some really harsh comments.
Narrowly defeated by 5th top team where we were denied a stonewall penalty.
Outplayed by Brazil (who`da thunkit) with a stonewall penalty denied. We didn`t give up. We kept trying.
We beat a Haiti side that we`re far from poor as the showed v Morocco.
We were outclassed today but no need for what`s being said.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:44
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Thu 25 Jun 00:39
Quote:
Kdy Par, Thu 25 Jun 00:33
Quote:
WYPar, Thu 25 Jun 00:27
Four more years of this. But hey, at least we might qualify for another tournament we can embarrass ourselves at.
What’s Clarke supposed to do when we defend like we have. Really poor from McKenna, Henry and Robertson.
Perhaps it’s time to give others a chance instead of playing the same old guard time and time again ?
Who would you suggest are better options than Henry or McKenna?
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:44
Tierney has made a difference since he has been on with some good balls in. The speed and movement of Brazil players is very different to ours.
Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 00:47)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:45
Morocco take the lead again 3-2
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:52
And again 4-2
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 00:57
Think the players we have are good.But can they stop making bloody stupid mistakes!
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:00
When a guy that has won the EPL, champions league etc makes that pass in his own box in injury time of the first half, what chance have you got. I do not like Clarke but tonight its on the players
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:07
Quote:
doctordandruff, Thu 25 Jun 01:00
When a guy that has won the EPL, champions league etc makes that pass in his own box in injury time of the first half, what chance have you got. I do not like Clarke but tonight its on the players
Spot on. Not sure what else Clarke could do. Picked the team everyone wanted. Shankland is like a man down. Hanley dropped and his replacement makes that error.
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:08
Quote:
doctordandruff, Thu 25 Jun 01:00
When a guy that has won the EPL, champions league etc makes that pass in his own box in injury time of the first half, what chance have you got. I do not like Clarke but tonight its on the players
Yes - unfortunately two defensive mistakes trying to play out from the back cost us. At least we had some attempts on target and made keeper save in second half.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:08
I`d love to know who these players are that we should have been playing instead of the current squad.
It also turned out Haiti weren`t the cannon fodder we were told they were after we only beat them 1-0.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:09
Brazil didn’t have to be good,we crapped the nest.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:09
Clarke out, we qualified due to cases of brilliance and luck, how many years of this crap, made no attempt at developing new talent and tactics.
So negative, he must go
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:17
`Brilliance and luck` - are these both negatives?
He can`t be accused of negativity tonight but it showed the risks of playing more expansively against a team like Brazil.
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Topic Originator: Dafc91
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:25
Hes going to get slated cause his defensive style has got us where it has and we nievely pray for denmark moments. In terms of tournaments hes our best ever manager. The problem is in the 5 million people in this country. Nane eh us are gid at centre back. Haiti were seen as the get out of jail free card. Put 6 past them and sit back and enjoy. Didnt pan out like that. It is what it is, he dropped hanley and played shankland and we still fell short against a team of world class players
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:26
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 25 Jun 01:17
`Brilliance and luck` - are these both negatives?
He can`t be accused of negativity tonight but it showed the risks of playing more expansively against a team like Brazil.
Madness to play a back 4 , when during qualifying weve played a 5, we were very lucky to qualify , found our level which is not in the worlds top 32
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:30
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Thu 25 Jun 01:26
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 25 Jun 01:17
`Brilliance and luck` - are these both negatives?
He can`t be accused of negativity tonight but it showed the risks of playing more expansively against a team like Brazil.
Madness to play a back 4 , when during qualifying weve played a 5, we were very lucky to qualify , found our level which is not in the worlds top 32
We played a back 4 in every qualifying game. We deserved to qualify but aren’t good enough at the actual tournament.
Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 01:30)
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:30
Quote:
thebear, Thu 25 Jun 01:09
Clarke out, we qualified due to cases of brilliance and luck, how many years of this crap, made no attempt at developing new talent and tactics.
So negative, he must go
That wasn`t a negative team selection or negative tactics tonight. Without the individual errors it would have been a different match - which Brazil were always likely to win, just in a different manner, their speed of thought was much sharper.
However, the reality is we have a few players (McGinn, McTominay, Robertson) who have turned in superlative performances for top European teams, but haven`t turned up at this WC. Ferguson has done ok, the rest are average or even poorer - not their fault, there`s no outstanding alternative for any of them. Maybe Barney Stewart is the future!
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:42
We don`t deserve to go through with such amateur defending, just embarrassing to watch. Only VAR stopped it being 2 early `gift` goals. Lucky to keep it down to 3 goals as it could have been double that if Brazil were in better form. I`d give Brazil 6/10 today, they`ll get better but won`t win it.
Set of miracle results needed now. Opta has us as with a 50/50 chance of going through though.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:43
Sorry, but we were pretty fortunate to win that qualifying section. Awful in both Greece games and dire at some to Belarus. Two solid performances in the Denmark games got us through.
Moments of absolute genius got us that win v Denmark. Not luck. Skill.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:47
Months of analysis, preparation and all the rest of it and undone by basic errors. Cannot blame Clarke for that, i think his interview at the end summed that up.
Looking for your `big` players to step up and set the tone but McTominay and McGinn were anonymous.
Aside from Hickey over Paterson that was our strongest lineup tonight IMO in that formation and we were comprehensively beaten so cannot really see what else we could have done tonight. The higher the level you go the more ruthless mistakes like that get punished.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: EASTFOREVER
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:53
Lewis Ferguson should never get another Scotland cap....
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Topic Originator: EASTFOREVER
Date: Thu 25 Jun 02:00
Come oan, that Brazil team are miles away from being a top team. They will be out the tournament by the last 16! Their not a great Brazil side... we handed them easy goals. Why did Shankland get 90 minutes?
Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 02:03)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 25 Jun 02:03
There`s a real barney going on Radio Scotland between Neil McCann and Tom English about the players. Quite nasty at times.
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Topic Originator: EASTFOREVER
Date: Thu 25 Jun 02:05
Did Steve Clarke get stage fright!
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Topic Originator: PeachtreePar
Date: Thu 25 Jun 02:08
Gutted. I didn’t see one second of it as flight and Atlanta traffic. Maybe it was just as well. Didn’t help that passed my local Brazilian restaurant close to home and a big crowd and lots of flags.
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Topic Originator: EASTFOREVER
Date: Thu 25 Jun 02:28
Was Hanley injured?
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Topic Originator: EASTFOREVER
Date: Thu 25 Jun 02:33
McTominay was Scotlands downfall and should have been dropped from today`s game. Its not rocket science!
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Topic Originator: KirklistonPar
Date: Thu 25 Jun 05:56
I woke up this morning thinking that we had won the match 2-1 with two goals in the final 5 minutes. I’d gone to bed after 20 minutes of the game but thought I’d woken early morning and checked the score on my phone and it said 2-1 to us. Sadly I must of just only being dreaming that I’d woken up and checked the score.😭🤬
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Thu 25 Jun 07:10
I think the bottom line is we are just not good enough. We competed a little at times, but another early goal against a good team meant the game was effectively over after 7 minutes. Brazil just managed the game after that.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Thu 25 Jun 07:22
Quote:
Indiapar1, Thu 25 Jun 07:10
I think the bottom line is we are just not good enough. We competed a little at times, but another early goal against a good team meant the game was effectively over after 7 minutes. Brazil just managed the game after that.
Completely agree. That said, if we can cut out the horrendous mistakes at the back and play anywhere near our potential, we are good enough to give most teams a decent game. Probably too little too late now though.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 25 Jun 07:26
"I think the bottom line is we are just not good enough."
100%
Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 07:27)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 25 Jun 07:36
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 25 Jun 01:43
Sorry, but we were pretty fortunate to win that qualifying section. Awful in both Greece games and dire at some to Belarus. Two solid performances in the Denmark games got us through.
Moments of absolute genius got us that win v Denmark. Not luck. Skill.
Add in that we only got a one game shoot out v Denmark because they drew at home to Belarus.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 25 Jun 07:45
We had 5 shots on target in the second half, when the team had to be more positive. It shows we are capable - we had no shots on target in the first half and none against Morocco in the whole game and only two against Haiti in the first half.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 07:46)
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 25 Jun 08:06
Think the TA are going to have to find some new songs now.
Super John McGinn….Hope I never hear that sung again
Scotlands on Fire, your defense is terrified…..lol. Our defense maybe….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Thu 25 Jun 08:19
Quote:
EASTFOREVER, Thu 25 Jun 01:53
Lewis Ferguson should never get another Scotland cap....
?? Probably one of few positives in this tournament.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 25 Jun 08:30
Quote:
Turps, Thu 25 Jun 08:19
Quote:
EASTFOREVER, Thu 25 Jun 01:53
Lewis Ferguson should never get another Scotland cap....
?? Probably one of few positives in this tournament.
Think he`s on the wind up. You could easily make a case for Ferguson being our best player this tournament.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Thu 25 Jun 08:44
We certainly have a lot of limitations in the squad, particularly up front and at CB. When you have that reality though, you need the quality players you do have to step up and make up for the limitations. None of ours did. Robertson, McTominay and McGinn were all terrible throughout the tournament.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 25 Jun 08:49
Ach not bothered, was a nice distraction leading up to the proper stuff.
On paper before the games kicked off the results looked realistic, it was the Haiti game that knackered us, needed to score more but they showed they weren’t pushovers against Morocco.
It was the performance that is most disappointing, we worried about the opposition, the heat and in the end it was just the bargain basics we couldn’t get right.
Same old.
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Thu 25 Jun 08:59
Quote:
Berry, Thu 25 Jun 08:49
Ach not bothered, was a nice distraction leading up to the proper stuff.
On paper before the games kicked off the results looked realistic, it was the Haiti game that knackered us, needed to score more but they showed they weren’t pushovers against Morocco.
It was the performance that is most disappointing, we worried about the opposition, the heat and in the end it was just the bargain basics we couldn’t get right.
Same old.
I think this is probably the reason it’s so grim. So many other teams go to tournaments and play out their skin and outperform expectations. We just turn up and do exactly what everyone expects and fears.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Thu 25 Jun 09:08
The biggest issue is that we lack real quality players both in the heart of the defence and at the striker positions. We`re so reliant on our left back and midfielders doing everything in the game, it makes it very difficult.
I thought Nathan Patterson actually had a decent enough game at right back given who he was up against and Ferguson has probably been the most consistent over the 3 games. McTominay has been poor which has been a real disappointment.
Clarke should never have been given an extension, at the very least wait until the tournament concludes to see if he`s learned anything from past failures, it`s evident he hasn`t. It looks unlikely we`ll get through to the R32, but in all honesty it`s not entertaining watching Scotland.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 25 Jun 09:39
Clarke miffed me off during his post match conference.
Rightly praising the fans but lays it on that they wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for that group of players qualifying.
Nae point qualifying for major tournaments when you don’t do anything when you get there. I’m sure the fans have had an experience of a lifetime over there, when they look back in a few months time and realise how much money they have spent versus the actual quality of football and heart the team have provided, they’ll feel short changed.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 09:48
Quote:
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 25 Jun 01:26
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 25 Jun 01:17
`Brilliance and luck` - are these both negatives?
He can`t be accused of negativity tonight but it showed the risks of playing more expansively against a team like Brazil.
Madness to play a back 4 , when during qualifying weve played a 5, we were very lucky to qualify , found our level which is not in the worlds top 32
We won our group, which included Denmark and Greece, we only lost once a 3-2 defeat away to Greece which we were unlucky to lose after a storming comeback.
We we deservedly qualified with some fine performances and hard fought results.
We just choaked when we got to the tournament.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 25 Jun 10:01
Quote:
Berry, Thu 25 Jun 09:39
Clarke miffed me off during his post match conference.
Rightly praising the fans but lays it on that they wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for that group of players qualifying.
Nae point qualifying for major tournaments when you don’t do anything when you get there. I’m sure the fans have had an experience of a lifetime over there, when they look back in a few months time and realise how much money they have spent versus the actual quality of football and heart the team have provided, they’ll feel short changed.
I completely disagree with that last paragraph and I bet 10s of 1000s of Scotland fans feel the same. If you only went to see us being successful you wouldn`t bother going at all.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Thu 25 Jun 10:34
Ultimately there are no easy teams in the world cup. You have to be a cut above to make it through the rounds. That means scoring goals. We managed one goal in three games which is never enough in any competition. The guys tried their best but we are not good enough at the end of the day. Its really just down to that. In my lifetime there have been many "what ifs", in world cups that we have been to. But even in our hey day, we havent been able to qualify for the next round.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 25 Jun 11:38
Cape Verde - battle to get a 0-0 with Spain, questionably tournament favourites. Also get a 2-2 with Uruguay.
Ghana - battle to get a 0-0 with England, and also denied a stonewaller late on.
DR Congo - battle to get a 1-1 v Portugal.
Curaçao - score v Germany then battle to a draw v Ecuador.
Scotland - struggle to a 1-0 v Haiti, flop v Morocco after 70 seconds, lose 3-0 to Brazil, going on 6 if it wasnt for Angus Gunn.
This is what is so frustrating about following our National team……
Canada, South Africa and some of the above all are out of or could get out of their groups whilst we will most likely be coming home.
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Topic Originator: PansPar
Date: Thu 25 Jun 11:43
As others have said, I thought we were a bit fortunate to make it there after the performances against Greece and Belarus. It took three worldies against Denmark in that last game. Thats not to say the players and manager don`t deserve credit for qualifying, but very little in our performances gave me confidence that we`d go there and do well.
We got a bit of a rough draw in my opinion - nobody else had to play two from the world`s top 8 in the group stage. But other teams of our level or lower seem to have been fired up, whereas we just looked terrified.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Thu 25 Jun 11:45
Gutted, disgusted etc etc.
Same old same old. The defending was disgraceful last night.
2 jobs - get a point & if you can`t do that, keep the score down to try and get through with 3 points.
Failed miserably.
Yes it`s been a great trip but the displays have been awful - 3 major tournaments with 1 win and 2 draws just isn`t good enough.
I thought at one point we were going to have another Germany type gubbing - especially if you add in the (wrongly) disallowed effort.
Loads of teams getting draws & we had 2 chances at it.
Awful once again! 🙄🫣🤬
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:12
Being old enough to remember all these campaigns from 1974 onwards when we`ve had better players (Law, Dalglish, Bremner, Souness, Strachan etc) than the present squad and managers like Stein and Fergie involved, but still being left disappointed, I wonder if there`s something in the Scottish psyche which means we just can`t cope with high expectations. For all our alleged `gallusness`, when it comes to the crunch we`re a bunch of `timorous beasties`. I hate to bring politics into it but, let`s face it, we don`t even have the confidence to run our own affairs.
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Topic Originator: MP4-23
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:14
I think a group of Brazil, Haiti and Morocco is probably about as tough as we could`ve gotten when you compare it to the strength of some of the other groups. Getting through was always going to be about beating Haiti and damage limitation vs Brazil and Morocco - To go gift wrapping 3 goals for them is criminal and its frustrating how poor they are to lose.
I don`t buy into this idea that our squad isn`t good enough. Congo held Portugal to a draw, Ghana held England to a draw also - Both lower ranked teams than us, with poorer squads, playing against sides on par with Brazil. There`s other teams lower than us like Bosnia, Cape Verde, Saudi, South Africa who have managed to get results against much higher ranked opposition, yet we can`t.
It`s just frustrating that we`re at another tournament embarrassing ourselves
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:14
I`ve got over it now. It could have been worse. At half time I was thinking this is gonna be stinkin if we lose seven nil, we`ll never hear the end of it. A 3-0 defeat is unremarkable and can soon be forgotten.
I think we got egg on our faces but I haven`t got through life without egg on ma face a few times and neither has our fitba team.
I go along with Parrot, IndiaPar1 and VEE, our scores weren`t all that bad - we just weren`t good enough. I don`t agree with those who suggest that we might as well not have been there.
Speaking only for masel of course - I`m not even despondent because I knew I`d be a fool to build up oor chances and my hopes too far.
I`m Scottish, they`re still my team and I want no other. If it`s true what`s been said about the tartan army - being friendly and fun and giving theirsels and everybody else a good time - that`s somethin I`m pleased about.
Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 12:28)
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:24
Despite the shame and embarrassment of our players performance I still hope we somehow sneak through.
I genuinely believe this team has a performance in them.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:27
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 25 Jun 12:12
Being old enough to remember all these campaigns from 1974 onwards when we`ve had better players (Law, Dalglish, Bremner, Souness, Strachan etc) than the present squad and managers like Stein and Fergie involved, but still being left disappointed, I wonder if there`s something in the Scottish psyche which means we just can`t cope with high expectations. For all our alleged `gallusness`, when it comes to the crunch we`re a bunch of `timorous beasties`. I hate to bring politics into it but, let`s face it, we don`t even have the confidence to run our own affairs.
I think we under estimate the teams in other countries. I also think that players may be high earners but that doesn`t make them better players than others around the world earning less. I have spent quite a bit of my working life in S America and Africa, and regularly saw teenagers and adults kicking the ball around at all hours of the day and night in 30-40 degrees of heat. Now that alot of organisation has been introduced into these countries in terms of football structure they have come on leaps and bounds I think. I recall a number of years ago going home from an event at 1am on a Sunday morning in Lima Peru, and there were literally 100 or so people playing football under lights on different pitches. As an aside, when the taxi drivers knew you were from Scotland they always recalled the time when they beat us in the world cup...
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:31
I spent 10 days in the Boston area and went to both matches. I’m left with the wonderful experience of being there but total frustration at the Scotland performances. Forget Clarke, team selection, tactics, the heat and humidity.
The bottom line is we’re not good enough. Schoolboy errors, lack of game management and the poor performances by our ‘big name’ players collectively led to the results we got.
We don’t deserve to go through to the next stages.
I saw us play against Brazil in 1990 in Turin and 1998 in Paris when they were truly world class and we competed to lose both games narrowly. Last night against an ordinary Brazil by their standards we were outclassed.
Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 12:38)
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:50
....Since when did the Scotland football team turn into a team of world beaters?
It was a great effort just to get there.
You’ve seen the Pars now please go home!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:53
Should we have had a pen second half? I think it was and as the Brazilian was booked for the challenge then it was….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Thu 25 Jun 13:24
It was a great effort just to get there.’
If that’s the height of your ambition then you’ll not be disappointed.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Thu 25 Jun 13:31
`Never applaud mediocrity`
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 25 Jun 13:37
We fell into the trap of thinking that if we beat Haiti, then that would be enough.
I wish Clarke had pushed his men on to try and get a second and maybe even a third ?
He even said after the match that a win was the main thing. Sadly, it looks like that has come back to bite us
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Thu 25 Jun 14:52
"If that’s the height of your ambition then you’ll not be disappointed."
Not disappointed with the team that is ranked 47th in the World.
Not getting to the last 32 is no failure.
......What were you expecting?
You’ve seen the Pars now please go home!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 25 Jun 15:00
Quote:
Topic Originator: Angus_W like
Date: Thu 25 Jun 14:52
"If that’s the height of your ambition then you’ll not be disappointed."
Not disappointed with the team that is ranked 47th in the World.
Not getting to the last 32 is no failure.
......What were you expecting?
Looking at the results we can live with them, even going out at the group stages.
We can argue up and down about tactics and team selection but the level of performance and individual errors of players is unacceptable.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Thu 25 Jun 17:42
It was great to have them there by skill and luck, bit we let ourselves down badly, stupid mistakes and poor performnae for 80 percent of each match, to only score one goal and that was a deflection.
Some good players. But some v poor ones, who can`t do basics. And tactics that we are usually confused by..
Needs a grass roots review of Scottish football, the OF are part of that review , but it`s not to line their coffers. But to improve scottish football. If it does not happen we will be here again in 20 hrs time
Post Edited (Thu 25 Jun 17:44)
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Thu 25 Jun 18:40
Quote:
Angus_W, Thu 25 Jun 14:52
"If that’s the height of your ambition then you’ll not be disappointed."
Not disappointed with the team that is ranked 47th in the World.
Not getting to the last 32 is no failure.
......What were you expecting?
Not adding to the argument either way but was interested to see what position we are out of the teams at the World Cup, ranked by World Ranking.
32nd!
Right between Paraguay and Panama.
Argentina (1)
France (2)
Spain (3)
England (4)
Brazil (5)
Morocco (6)
Portugal (7)
Netherlands (8)
Germany (9)
Mexico (10)
Belgium (11)
Colombia (12)
Croatia (13)
United States (14)
Japan (16)
Switzerland (17)
Uruguay (18)
Senegal (19)
Iran (21)
Norway (22)
Austria (23)
Australia (25)
Egypt (26)
Algeria (27)
South Korea (28)
Ecuador (29)
Ivory Coast (30)
Canada (31)
Turkey (32)
Sweden (36)
Paraguay (37)
Scotland (41)
Panama (42)
Congo DR (46)
Czechia (48)
Tunisia (57)
Uzbekistan (58)
Saudi Arabia (59)
Iraq (60)
Qatar (61)
Bosnia and Herzegovina (62)
Cabo Verde (64)
Ghana (65)
Jordan (72)
Curaçao (81)
New Zealand (84)
Haiti (88)
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