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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 5 Dec 16:48
I wonder how much this will cost us Tenruh ?? .. millions ?
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 5 Dec 17:23
Quote:
Buspasspar, Tue 5 Dec 16:48
I wonder how much this will cost us Tenruh ?? .. millions ?
Costing millions already. Alex Salmond has been awarded £512,000. Along with
Legal fees?
Police costs ?
All paid from the public purse, the same people they`ve tried to hide the evidence from.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 6 Dec 14:46
More money of ours wasted.
Appeal Rejected
What are they trying to hide from the public ?
Post Edited (Wed 06 Dec 15:06)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 6 Dec 15:59
I think your finally broken…..you need some time off the internet I reckon
Post Edited (Wed 06 Dec 15:59)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Dec 17:25
`Even` the MSM! That`s the ones who never have a good word to say about the SNP, or haven`t you noticed?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 6 Dec 17:31
Educational standards last night, appeal court tonight, at least it`s kicked the ipad down the road!
BBC....never a good word to say about Scotland, wonder why that is?🤔
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 6 Dec 17:57
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 6 Dec 17:25
`Even` the MSM! That`s the ones who never have a good word to say about the SNP, or haven`t you noticed?
Three legal actions three loses, how much has that cost us ? Add on the appeals for this and the GRR along with further Salmond costs it must run to millions and all could have been avoided.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Dec 18:15
I was expressing surprise at your apparent surprise that the MSM was having a pop at the SNP. Sorry if I didn`t make it clear enough for you.
They must love your anti-SNP obsession. It`s worse than Parboiled`s!
Are we still waiting on the info about Westminster polling on independence that the SNP asked for under FOI?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 6 Dec 19:13
Similar to in England, the current administration is underperforming but there`s a lack of a credible alternative.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 6 Dec 19:28
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 6 Dec 18:15
I was expressing surprise at your apparent surprise that the MSM was having a pop at the SNP. Sorry if I didn`t make it clear enough for you.
They must love your anti-SNP obsession. It`s worse than Parboiled`s!
Are we still waiting on the info about Westminster polling on independence that the SNP asked for under FOI?
All parties think the MSM is against them, I was referring to the MSM with regards to the court case re their lack of interest in it until the result.
What the SNP and anyone else thinks of my opinion is no concern to me. The one thing they all have in common is their lack of interest in nationalism.
The Westminster poll is totally irrelevant because it wouldn`t matter if there was 1 or 56 Scottish MPs shouting for independence they will be ignored.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 6 Dec 19:43
Quote:
jake89, Wed 6 Dec 19:13
Similar to in England, the current administration is underperforming but there`s a lack of a credible alternative.
It`s like the States it`s a two horse race in England but it shouldn`t be in Scotland.
Why are the SNP letting the English unionist parties back into power in Scotland ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 6 Dec 19:49
Why are you helping them?
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Wed 6 Dec 19:51
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 6 Dec 19:49
Why are you helping them?
Yeah come on Tenruh, your opinions and views are swaying thousands upon thousands of voters to vote for other parties , gonnae no......
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 6 Dec 20:35
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 6 Dec 19:49
Why are you helping them?
Helping who ?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 6 Dec 22:33
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 6 Dec 19:49
Why are you helping them?
😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 7 Dec 10:49
Always love me a Facebook link. Always rely on a Facebook link 😂
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 7 Dec 17:58
https://wingsoverscotland.com/walking-on-glass/#more-140616
Post Edited (Thu 07 Dec 18:06)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 7 Dec 18:51
Genuine Question Tenruh, do you actually consider Alba as competent?
For me, Salmond has had his day. From my family who are in the legal field, I know MacAskill to be both incompetent and partial to a drink. Neil Hanvey, the less said the better. Ash Regan, simply doesn`t have the stature or intellect to make an impact.
Given the legal situation, what is Alba`s suggested legal path toward taking Scotland to being an independent state? I am genuinely curious.
Personally, the part of your arguments that I find tiring are the claims that the SNP are not committed to Independence. I reckon that the SNP need a more competent leader, such as Joanna Cherry or Alyn Smith both of whom have impressive legal backgrounds, and given time would be able to make an impact. Yousaf and Forbes for me are both useless.
As others have said, if you are committed to the cause of Independence, would you really rather have a SLab government rather than an SNP administration?
As far as I can see, you are simply playing into the Yoon`s hands.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 7 Dec 19:24
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 7 Dec 18:51
Genuine Question Tenruh, do you actually consider Alba as competent?
For me, Salmond has had his day. From my family who are in the legal field, I know MacAskill to be both incompetent and partial to a drink. Neil Hanvey, the less said the better. Ash Regan, simply doesn`t have the stature or intellect to make an impact.
Given the legal situation, what is Alba`s suggested legal path toward taking Scotland to being an independent state? I am genuinely curious.
Personally, the part of your arguments that I find tiring are the claims that the SNP are not committed to Independence. I reckon that the SNP need a more competent leader, such as Joanna Cherry or Alyn Smith both of whom have impressive legal backgrounds, and given time would be able to make an impact. Yousaf and Forbes for me are both useless.
As others have said, if you are committed to the cause of Independence, would you really rather have a SLab government rather than an SNP administration?
As far as I can see, you are simply playing into the Yoon`s hands.
Do I think Alba are competent, no not yet...both Salmond and Sturgeon are both seen as toxic in equal measure.
With regard to the SNP, I`ve voted for them since 1975 but not again, three reasons, the sneaky way the management (troughers) removed all controls which the grassroots enjoyed since the parties conception.secondly the lies about Indy2 and lastly the corruption exercised to jail Alex Salmond . If a political party can exercise such powers when in power in a devolved administration what do you think they`d be like if independent
Regarding the senior members of the SNP, if they were prepared to remain quiet over all the recent turmoil within the party none of them are fit for leadership.
Forgot to answer the question re a Yoon or devolutionist administration, both are equally toxic so don't favour one over the other.
The SNP have ruined our independance chances for a generation with their behaviour over the last 9 years.
Why do you think Sturgeon ran for the out door in February?
Post Edited (Thu 07 Dec 19:39)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 7 Dec 20:06
So you`re advocating that Independence supporters vote for a party that you don`t consider competent? That`s a bit counter-intuitive, no?
As for Salmond, I can`t really see the SNP wanting to destroy someone in their own camp who had been considered a colossus of Scottish politics. The Yoon side on the other hand...
I see though that you can`t provide an answer though as to how Alba will provide a legal route toward Independence. That`s very telling.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 7 Dec 20:13
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 7 Dec 20:06
So you`re advocating that Independence supporters vote for a party that you don`t consider competent? That`s a bit counter-intuitive, no?
As for Salmond, I can`t really see the SNP wanting to destroy someone in their own camp who had been considered a colossus of Scottish politics. The Yoon side on the other hand...
I see though that you can`t provide an answer though as to how Alba will provide a legal route toward Independence. That`s very telling.
You'll have to show me where I've advocated on here that anyone should vote ALBA
The comment below is from the above link.
Interesting reading the comments.
Geri says:
7 December, 2023 at 2:50 pm
Gordon Keane 1:58
**Now, while I can see merit in some of the concerns raised,like splitting the pro Independence vote, others were just way over the top.**
They’re not splitting the pro Indy vote. Holyrood isn’t designed to have a majority.
& If they’re interested in int law/int community advice (As Alba have sought already ) – it’s the more the merrier. Self determination has to be a collective effort. It can’t be just one party. Hence the Scotland united offer & Ash proposing this during her leadership bid)
So if they’re really Indy supporters, & not cult followers of Nicola & her minions, they need to wise up to the path that’s been repeatedly laid out that they seem intent on rejecting because of some misplaced loyalty to the tyrant who has squandered six mandates already & has done hee-haw in 9 years for Indy despite unprecedented support to call it.
I think most of those are fake accounts. SNP HQ has already been caught trolling twitter. I expect the fanzine to be no different.
100% Yes – Aye, she’s protected.
Post Edited (Thu 07 Dec 20:35)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 7 Dec 20:59
Tenruh, if you don`t advocate voting Alba, why do you share their materials?
Alba won`t have a single seat after the election.
Depending on who you believe, the SNP will/won`t lose seats.
Either way, is Scotland closer to independence? No. Does promoting or voting for Alba bring Scotland close to independence? No.
The ideal solution would be for the SNP to borrow from the Alba playbook. That won`t happen though.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 7 Dec 21:24
Quote:
jake89, Thu 7 Dec 20:59
Tenruh, if you don`t advocate voting Alba, why do you share their materials?
Alba won`t have a single seat after the election.
Depending on who you believe, the SNP will/won`t lose seats.
Either way, is Scotland closer to independence? No. Does promoting or voting for Alba bring Scotland close to independence? No.
The ideal solution would be for the SNP to borrow from the Alba playbook. That won`t happen though.
Jake, don`t recall ever sharing Alba material before, doesn`t mean I haven`t of course.
I was asked a question from Jimmy re the Alba info tonight.
Got to remember though Alba are a SNP creation .
I hear the GRR court of Session ruling is today do you think the Scottish government will win it ? Or will it be a 4 nil defeat and then we`ll be paying for a Supreme Court judgement .
Post Edited (Fri 08 Dec 06:28)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 06:26
Quote:
jake89, Thu 7 Dec 22:23
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 7 Dec 20:22
Here`s a starting point for you Jimmy
https://www.albaparty.org/scotlands_strategy
https://www.albaparty.org/the-referendum-breakthrough
*Cough*
If you look above you`ll see Jimmy asked a question about Alba, which I originally ignored, then came the sly remark so l did REPLY to his prompt.
Go search through all my comments and show me another occasion where I`ve actively campaigned or mentioned Alba ?
"Cough"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 8 Dec 11:10
Youve shared the top link before, as I’ve clicked on it before…
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Fri 8 Dec 11:40
You also posted the link to Alba`s website in the Road To Morocco and Burning House threads.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 Dec 12:15
But apart from that has never shared an Alba materials 😉
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 13:14
Quote:
jake89, Fri 8 Dec 12:15
But apart from that has never shared an Alba materials 😉
Exactly Jake, it`s good to know it`s not going
Unnoticed, thanks guys
Another case lost....onto the English supreme Court...Good job it`s not their but our money to fund the lost Court cases, £230,000 and counting.....was it in the manifesto?
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottish-parliament-defeated-by-uk-government-in-landmark-court-ruling-over-gender-reform-law[/url
Post Edited (Fri 08 Dec 14:36)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 8 Dec 13:49
It`s interesting that you characterise this as a Westminster v SNP issue, conveniently forgetting that MSPs from all the major parties voted in favour of this legislation.
Have we had an explanation yet as to why the UK Deposit Return Scheme, which hasn`t been drawn up yet, won`t include glass which was the reason given for vetoing the proposed Scottish scheme which has been drafted?
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 8 Dec 14:12
The majority of MSP’s may have voted for this Eck, but I’m pretty sure the majority of their constituents would be happy to see it ditched..
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 14:31
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 8 Dec 13:49
It`s interesting that you characterise this as a Westminster v SNP issue, conveniently forgetting that MSPs from all the major parties voted in favour of this legislation.
Have we had an explanation yet as to why the UK Deposit Return Scheme, which hasn`t been drawn up yet, won`t include glass which was the reason given for vetoing the proposed Scottish scheme which has been drafted?
It`s a Scottish Coalition Government issue. And who are they ?
Yip the SNP.....so you are on this occasion correct
Post Edited (Fri 08 Dec 14:31)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 8 Dec 14:54
Tory and Labour SMPs voted for it, not just SNP and Greens.
Parboiled, our democracy is based on MPs and MSPs voting after a debate, not opinion polls.
It`s comical watching you two come up with any excuse to justify your obsessive SNP Baaad message.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 15:08
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 8 Dec 14:54
Tory and Labour SMPs voted for it, not just SNP and Greens.
Parboiled, our democracy is based on MPs and MSPs voting after a debate, not opinion polls.
It`s comical watching you two come up with any excuse to justify your obsessive SNP Baaad message.
I count 5 court cases since 2018, 5 lost that`s bad...
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 8 Dec 15:42
Double hat trick of lost cases coming up!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 8 Dec 17:35
All that today has proven is that devolution is meaningless and we are still under control of London 🤷🏻♂️ nothing more, nothing less…..now Tenruh - how do Alba LEGALLY gain indy?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 Dec 18:40
Alba don`t have the answer as there isn`t one. Scotland cannot legally leave without permission. The only alternative would be a revolution.
Anyone smiling about the court loss today is incredibly foolish as it confirms that devolution powers are meaningless.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 19:43
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 8 Dec 17:35
All that today has proven is that devolution is meaningless and we are still under control of London 🤷🏻♂️ nothing more, nothing less…..now Tenruh - how do Alba LEGALLY gain indy?
Devolution is indeed meaningless, unless of course you are a nuSNP politician.
Not sure how Alba will achieve independence LEGALLY, but be assured they`ll not lead you on with false promises just to get elected.
Application form below if you`re interested in independence rather than devolution
https://www.albaparty.org/become_a_member
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 19:55
Quote:
jake89, Fri 8 Dec 18:40
Alba don`t have the answer as there isn`t one. Scotland cannot legally leave without permission. The only alternative would be a revolution.
Anyone smiling about the court loss today is incredibly foolish as it confirms that devolution powers are meaningless.
I`m absolutely delighted about the court case today as are most females and their spouse`s living in Scotland.
You are correct though regarding the devolution powers. But you`d think the legal representation for nuSNP would have highlighted the consequences of a foolish court case that was unwinnable.
Do you think they`re daft enough to take it down to the English courts ?
Got to laugh. Everything is landing as Stuart Campbell said they would.....the chickens are coming home to roost ,
more reading below
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-devil-and-the-pastel-pink-sea/
Post Edited (Fri 08 Dec 20:22)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 8 Dec 19:57
You said the other day you would need people to show you where you were advocating folk should vote for ALBA, then now you are posting links to the membership application form. You`re a Yoon, let`s face it
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 20:18
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 8 Dec 19:57
You said the other day you would need people to show you where you were advocating folk should vote for ALBA, then now you are posting links to the membership application form. You`re a Yoon, let`s face it
Never advocated folk should vote for Alba , but now that folk are starting to realise that they`re in a devolution trap and the party that has landed them there actually are doing nothing to change it, it`s only fair to point out we still have a couple of parties fighting for independence Alba and ISP and possibly the Greens could be added to the list.
Ever get the feeling you`ve been cheated?
Post Edited (Fri 08 Dec 20:32)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 Dec 20:43
Devolution trap? I`m sure I heard Salmond say just the other that he and Donald Dewar worked together in campaigning for devolution.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 21:27
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 8 Dec 20:43
Devolution trap? I`m sure I heard Salmond say just the other that he and Donald Dewar worked together in campaigning for devolution.
25 years ago Indeed they did.
Bet he never thought then it could've landed him in jail.
The joys of devolution.
Post Edited (Fri 08 Dec 21:28)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 Dec 21:28
What part(s) of the GRA do you think females will be pleased to have seen rejected? Presumably by using sex rather than a gendered term you are including females who identify as men in your statement? I really doubt they are happy to see the GRA case thrown out.
We have trans people within our own support and many will have experienced a stupid amount of pain and upset to get to the point they are today.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 8 Dec 21:47
What happens if the SNP, who claim to work in Scotland`s (or the Scots` ??) best interests, conclude that these are best served by the current constitutional arrangements? Doesn`t that give them an existential problem?
Or has that already happened?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 Dec 22:03
Quote:
jake89, Fri 8 Dec 21:28
What part(s) of the GRA do you think females will be pleased to have seen rejected? Presumably by using sex rather than a gendered term you are including females who identify as men in your statement? I really doubt they are happy to see the GRA case thrown out.
We have trans people within our own support and many will have experienced a stupid amount of pain and upset to get to the point they are today.
Here`s a Woman`s viewpoint for you.
Lorna Campbell says:
8 December, 2023 at 6:23 pm
If they do not stop this nonsense, but go on with a case that cannot be won, they will raise cain because we have all had enough of this absolute rubbish. Women had best be prepared for an escalation in the violence perpetrated against them whenever they try to meet as a sex group to discuss their rights. The malicious and vindictive TRAs are going to punish females for this. We really need to decide now whether it might be possible to sue the SG (SNP and Greens) if they refuse to accept the court’s judgement on the grounds of negligence as to public monies and towards the Scottish public’s safety. These idiot politicians will not stop till they have to pay out of their own pockets.
How much public money is being spent on Stonewall and its arms, and how much is being spent on unnecessary surgeries, hormones, puberty blockers, etc? That money could be ploughed back into psychiatry and psychology counselling services to help these young people through puberty and safely out the other side. ‘Mental health’ has become another fashion fad as in, “this or that or the other is affecting my mental health”. No doubt many things do, life affects your mental health, but to make a virtue out of it is so stupid as to verge on the insane.
Post Edited (Fri 08 Dec 22:25)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 8 Dec 22:30
To be honest, the GRA is a load of old nonsense. They are barking up the wrong tree with that one
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 9 Dec 06:38
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 8 Dec 22:30
To be honest, the GRA is a load of old nonsense. They are barking up the wrong tree with that one
RSP, your a brave man coming out with that comment, I`ll do my best to cover your back...50% of the nation are genuine female and 0.4% think they`re in the wrong body and the Scottish Parliament abandon the 50%.
Pity we couldn`t go back to the good old days when the government wasn`t losing court cases, but building roads, bridges, opening train routes infrastructure for a new independent Scotland...
Post Edited (Sat 09 Dec 07:21)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 Dec 08:18
Tenruh, you`ve exposed the issue without realising it. Yes, these people make up a TINY proportion, but they end up costing a lot because they are labelled as having mental health issues rather than accepting they are trans. The edge cases pushed in the media are not helpful in the slightest.
I hate to break it to people, but if a man wants to do something bad, he can do it anyway.
RSP, completely take your point that it`s a nonsense. It IS a nonsense. People shouldn`t need to fight for a basic assessment.
The media made a big deal of the GRA as controversy sells papers. Sow a few seeds of misinformation and suddenly you`ve got people talking about deleting women (but not men?), men using the women`s toilets (which they can do right now) and men joining the women`s tennis club.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 Dec 08:51
The problem is Jake I am always hearing that a trans woman is a woman and a trans man is a man. I think according to many organisations and political parties to not believe in that statement is to be demonstrating transphobia.
The thing is there is a good few circumstances where a trans woman or a trans man isn`t being treated the same as their desired gender, the Isla Bryson case being the most obvious example. Can anyone explain to me what the problem was with the person now known as Isla Bryson (who Nicola Sturgeon couldn`t even refer to using Bryson`s chosen pro noun) being put into a women`s prison.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 9 Dec 09:25
This has all come too late for me. If it had been on the go when turned 60 I could have transed myself into a wifie and claimed my pension 5 years early…
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 9 Dec 09:32
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 9 Dec 08:51
The problem is Jake I am always hearing that a trans woman is a woman and a trans man is a man. I think according to many organisations and political parties to not believe in that statement is to be demonstrating transphobia.
The thing is there is a good few circumstances where a trans woman or a trans man isn`t being treated the same as their desired gender, the Isla Bryson case being the most obvious example. Can anyone explain to me what the problem was with the person now known as Isla Bryson (who Nicola Sturgeon couldn`t even refer to using Bryson`s chosen pro noun) being put into a women`s prison.
Isla Bryson committed crimes, as a male, against females then transitioned to female - thats the issue with that specific case.
Its a tough one - if you go through the right channels, spend the years worth of therapy before beginning the hormones before surgery then fair enough, Id say you are trapped in the wrong body and well within your rights to swap.
On the other hand, you also shouldn’t be allowed certain aspects - aka sports stars then competing in opposite gender. Its made worse when genuine females (SA runner who’s name Ive forgotten) are punished due to their own hormones.
The one thing though that should be challenged very carefully is this claim that people are “just spouting mental health” - its only in recent years that mental health has actually taken a forefront in our society and faux pas regarding it are being brought up as exactly that.
Post Edited (Sat 09 Dec 09:34)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 Dec 09:50
So where do you put Isla Bryson? Surely as a woman, and a trans woman is a woman, you can`t put her in a men`s prison. Or I`m guessing you can because isn`t that where she was sent to? So, and I could be wrong here, and I`d be happy to be educated on the details if I am, if the GRA had been passed then in the eyes of the state Bryson would have been a woman but the same state would send her to a men`s prison?
Post Edited (Sat 09 Dec 09:51)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 9 Dec 10:03
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 9 Dec 09:50
So where do you put Isla Bryson? Surely as a woman, and a trans woman is a woman, you can`t put her in a men`s prison. Or I`m guessing you can because isn`t that where she was sent to? So, and I could be wrong here, and I`d be happy to be educated on the details if I am, if the GRA had been passed then in the eyes of the state Bryson would have been a woman but the same state would send her to a men`s prison?
This is where its a grey area - for their crimes though there should he no way they are put in a female prison.
3 ways to end all of this….pick one
1. Treat the person as the same gender they were born as in all aspects of living - may cause legal issues
2. Treat the person as the gender they have assigned to 1 - although only based on completion of intensive mental checks.
3. Create an entire infrastructure for both male and female trans as well as non binary/gender fluid etc etc people where they all share the same amenities (toilets, changing rooms etc)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 Dec 10:19
Doesn`t this kind of legislation work well in other parts of the world?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 Dec 10:20
What if you were born a man and were found guilty of male rape. Would you be out into a men`s prison? Genuine question as I had always assumed you would be bit wouldn`t you be considered a danger to the other inmates?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 Dec 13:29
Isla Bryson was treated as per protocol. She was in a women`s prison for assessment and processing. This is where they decide a prisoner should be placed.
Let`s look at it another way. What do you think happens with violent same sex abusers?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 Dec 14:06
That`s exactly what I asked. In what prison does a violent same sex male offender go?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 9 Dec 14:06
The problem with the Isla Bryson case is that its very unique - committed as a male, then changed gender during trial and found guilty as a female. How they managed to get through their medical assessment that quickly though is also staggering as I know others trans people who have been years upon years of assessments etc before getting hormones.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 Dec 16:17
The SPS has already dealt with trans cases and will have learned from similar situations in England. Isla Bryson was just a convenient case for the media to highlight.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 9 Dec 21:07
The whole issue is being over complicated. People maybe just need to accept a wee bit realism. If you are born as male you are a man, if you are born female you are a woman. You can`t change these facts no matter how much you might want to
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 Dec 21:19
You`re confusing gender with sex.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 Dec 21:27
Then what`s getting changed on a birth certificate?
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 Dec 21:47
Legal sex, which can be changed without the need for the GRA being passed.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 9 Dec 21:52
Yes but that doesn`t sound like rsp is getting confused then
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 10 Dec 03:09
Honestly, I find the gender debate tedious and boring. RSP is right when he says its being over complicated and I would definitely question the need for the reform bill that was put forward.
My experience of Scotland has always been that the mentality of the vast majority is: "Live your life as you wish to (gay, trans or whatever). Just don`t be an a*sehole. Simple."
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 10 Dec 06:26
Short and straight to point hurricane, and you’ve hit the bulls eye.
Re the Bill, it should never have reached the debating chamber as it was out with the Devolved legislation.
Where was the legal advice ?
The SNP will pay a hefty price for this at the polls because they've lost the female vote.
Another victory for unionism ?
And well done the 9 SNP MSPs who voted against the illegal legislation.
One positive
we got rid of Sturgeon
Post Edited (Sun 10 Dec 08:39)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 10 Dec 09:36
I`m sure it`s tedious for the trans people being treated as mentally ill for wanting gender reassignment. At the same time people in the media get away with suggesting they`re all paedophiles and sex offenders.
What`s tedious is how much attention this got.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 10 Dec 09:48
Indeed Jake, Stonewall and Big Pharma have to make a living.....from the gullible.
https://peterabell.scot/2023/12/10/tales-of-the-inexplicable/#
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 10 Dec 10:15
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 10 Dec 09:48
Indeed Jake, Stonewall and Big Pharma have to make a living.....from the gullible.
https://peterabell.scot/2023/12/10/tales-of-the-inexplicable/#
Surely more gullible to assume Big Pharma wouldn`t get the bill pushed through?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 10 Dec 10:42
Quote:
jake89, Sun 10 Dec 10:15
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Tenruh, Sun 10 Dec 09:48
Indeed Jake, Stonewall and Big Pharma have to make a living.....from the gullible.
https://peterabell.scot/2023/12/10/tales-of-the-inexplicable/#
Surely more gullible to assume Big Pharma wouldn`t get the bill pushed through?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67669425.amp
Post Edited (Sun 10 Dec 11:56)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 10 Dec 12:14
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 10 Dec 10:42
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jake89, Sun 10 Dec 10:15
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Tenruh, Sun 10 Dec 09:48
Indeed Jake, Stonewall and Big Pharma have to make a living.....from the gullible.
https://peterabell.scot/2023/12/10/tales-of-the-inexplicable/#
Surely more gullible to assume Big Pharma wouldn`t get the bill pushed through?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67669425.amp
I don’t think a woman, with major religious ideologies who believes gay people shouldn’t be married, is the best person to listen to on this matter……..
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 10 Dec 13:45
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 10 Dec 12:14
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Tenruh, Sun 10 Dec 10:42
Quote:
jake89, Sun 10 Dec 10:15
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Tenruh, Sun 10 Dec 09:48
Indeed Jake, Stonewall and Big Pharma have to make a living.....from the gullible.
https://peterabell.scot/2023/12/10/tales-of-the-inexplicable/#
Surely more gullible to assume Big Pharma wouldn`t get the bill pushed through?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67669425.amp
I don’t think a woman, with major religious ideologies who believes gay people shouldn’t be married, is the best person to listen to on this matter……..
That`s the next SNP leader for you...
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 10 Dec 14:25
Forbes has zero chance of being the next leader which I think is a pity. Maybe if some of those who would be likely to support her hadn`t scampered off to Alba after being seen off the premises by the Sturgeon faction within the party then she`d have more support.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 10 Dec 15:24
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 10 Dec 14:25
Forbes has zero chance of being the next leader which I think is a pity. Maybe if some of those who would be likely to support her hadn`t scampered off to Alba after being seen off the premises by the Sturgeon faction within the party then she`d have more support.
Well this is her making a move. You do realise she only lost to Yousaf by 6% of the vote. And that was all the troughers canvassing for the continuity candidate.
Every single SNP Fife Councillor voted for the CC.
I don`t think she is leadership material but for different reason`s than Dave .
Most of the ex SNP members you refer to had left the SNP before Alba formed .
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