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 George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Wed 31 Jan 22:02

It will be good to see him back in mainstream politics, directly challenging those in power over the UK`s behaviour towards Israel. Galloway has Starmer in sight, and I suspect he will likely win this at a canter.

Given the apathy and cynicism towards Labour, I wonder if Galloway and Corbyn could create a new left-wing party to present a decent challenge at the next general election.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 31 Jan 22:23

Quote:

OzPar, Wed 31 Jan 22:02

It will be good to see him back in mainstream politics, directly challenging those in power over the UK`s behaviour towards Israel. Galloway has Starmer in sight, and I suspect he will likely win this at a canter.

Given the apathy and cynicism towards Labour, I wonder if Galloway and Corbyn could create a new left-wing party to present a decent challenge at the next general election.


The media will criticise him and effectively poo-poo any chance of him being elected. Look what they did to Corbyn. Hilariously, the supposed antisemitism he was supposed to be preaching is exactly what we`re seeing in streets around the UK. You couldn`t make it up.
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Wed 31 Jan 22:45

The mainstream media is increasingly irrelevant today. More and more people are seeing its inherent bias and are shifting to podcasts presented by people who often have specialist expertise in different areas. George Galloway has a successful podcast that draws large numbers. I doubt he will worry greatly about the Daily Mail, The Daily Express or the BBC.

After all, he`s already taken on the mighty US Senate and gave them a good kicking.

:)

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Thu 1 Feb 06:31

Quote:

jake89, Wed 31 Jan 22:23

Quote:

OzPar, Wed 31 Jan 22:02

It will be good to see him back in mainstream politics, directly challenging those in power over the UK`s behaviour towards Israel. Galloway has Starmer in sight, and I suspect he will likely win this at a canter.

Given the apathy and cynicism towards Labour, I wonder if Galloway and Corbyn could create a new left-wing party to present a decent challenge at the next general election.


The media will criticise him and effectively poo-poo any chance of him being elected. Look what they did to Corbyn. Hilariously, the supposed antisemitism he was supposed to be preaching is exactly what we`re seeing in streets around the UK. You couldn`t make it up.


Apathy to Labour...don't think so. They'll get 35 seats in Scotland this coming GE.

And don't forget what nuSNP and the media did in destroying an innocent man's career up here.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 1 Feb 10:18

Oz, he is more likely to lose his deposit…

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 1 Feb 11:01

Do you want to bet on that, Parboiled???

He thinks to himself: "Wow, easy money for Oz..."

:)

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy  
Date:   Thu 1 Feb 13:42

Galloway is an absolute fud. And that`s from someone who actually agrees quite strongly with his stance on Israel and Palestine.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 1 Feb 13:53

I enjoyed his speech to the US Senate but he`s an opportunistic carpetbagger par excellence.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 1 Feb 14:28

Labour agenda no difference to the Tories, Gove`s independence survey must be sending shudders through Government, no wonder he hid it!
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Dave_1885  
Date:   Fri 2 Feb 08:45

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Tenruh, Thu 1 Feb 06:31

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jake89, Wed 31 Jan 22:23

Quote:

OzPar, Wed 31 Jan 22:02

It will be good to see him back in mainstream politics, directly challenging those in power over the UK`s behaviour towards Israel. Galloway has Starmer in sight, and I suspect he will likely win this at a canter.

Given the apathy and cynicism towards Labour, I wonder if Galloway and Corbyn could create a new left-wing party to present a decent challenge at the next general election.


The media will criticise him and effectively poo-poo any chance of him being elected. Look what they did to Corbyn. Hilariously, the supposed antisemitism he was supposed to be preaching is exactly what we`re seeing in streets around the UK. You couldn`t make it up.


Apathy to Labour...don`t think so. They`ll get 35 seats in Scotland this coming GE.

And don`t forget what nuSNP and the media did in destroying an innocent man`s career up here.


“Innocent” - thats one way to describe a self confessed creepy b*stard anyway!
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Fri 2 Feb 09:29

I met Salmond about thirty years ago and he remains the slimiest individual that I have ever had the displeasure of encountering. I must be especially sensitive to insincerity though, because most folk seemed to lap it up until fairly recently.

Haven`t met Galloway, but if I ever do I get the feeling that he`d be in the running to beat Salmond in that regard.


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 2 Feb 11:00

His handling of the US Senate was certainly impressive. Pity he didn`t speak truth to power when he was sooking up to Saddam Hussein a decade earlier. With both instances though the words he spoke were done so to press his own self interests.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower  
Date:   Fri 2 Feb 17:10

Gorgeous George has a chequered electoral history.

Highlights would include defeating Oona King in Bethnal Green and Bow in the 2012 election (when he had a televised spat with Jeremy Paxman) and the sensational, if controversial, Bradford West by-election.

Lowlights would be polling 489 votes in West Bromwich East in 2019 and failing to make much impact as All for Unity in the 2021 Holyrood Election (although they did outpoll Alba).

He seems to love the attention of a by-election, but not the grind of being an actual MP.

I think the Muslim population (where he tends to do well) of Rochdale is about half of what it is in Bradford West (more like in Gorton where he came 3rd in 2017, although that was a General Election). I think Labour are putting up a local councillor who no doubt will be described as “popular” and Tony Lloyd seemed well liked which usually is good news for his prospective successor. I suspect Galloway will do well, but I think his day has been and Labour will hold relatively comfortably. The campaign could get a bit spicy though (especially since I see former MP Simon Danczuk is running for the Reform Party)

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 7 Feb 17:48

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Tenruh, Thu 1 Feb 06:31

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jake89, Wed 31 Jan 22:23

Quote:

OzPar, Wed 31 Jan 22:02

It will be good to see him back in mainstream politics, directly challenging those in power over the UK`s behaviour towards Israel. Galloway has Starmer in sight, and I suspect he will likely win this at a canter.

Given the apathy and cynicism towards Labour, I wonder if Galloway and Corbyn could create a new left-wing party to present a decent challenge at the next general election.


The media will criticise him and effectively poo-poo any chance of him being elected. Look what they did to Corbyn. Hilariously, the supposed antisemitism he was supposed to be preaching is exactly what we`re seeing in streets around the UK. You couldn`t make it up.


Apathy to Labour...don`t think so. They`ll get 35 seats in Scotland this coming GE.

And don`t forget what nuSNP and the media did in destroying an innocent man`s career up here.


Forecast ain`t going too well Tenruh!
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Thu 8 Feb 09:59

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LochgellyAlbert, Wed 7 Feb 17:48

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Tenruh, Thu 1 Feb 06:31

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jake89, Wed 31 Jan 22:23

Quote:

OzPar, Wed 31 Jan 22:02

It will be good to see him back in mainstream politics, directly challenging those in power over the UK`s behaviour towards Israel. Galloway has Starmer in sight, and I suspect he will likely win this at a canter.

Given the apathy and cynicism towards Labour, I wonder if Galloway and Corbyn could create a new left-wing party to present a decent challenge at the next general election.


The media will criticise him and effectively poo-poo any chance of him being elected. Look what they did to Corbyn. Hilariously, the supposed antisemitism he was supposed to be preaching is exactly what we`re seeing in streets around the UK. You couldn`t make it up.


Apathy to Labour...don`t think so. They`ll get 35 seats in Scotland this coming GE.

And don`t forget what nuSNP and the media did in destroying an innocent man`s career up here.


Forecast ain`t going too well Tenruh!


Nothing has changed nuSNP will take a battering.
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 8 Feb 10:06

Not if that poll proves to be accurate.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Thu 8 Feb 10:42

Who knows what will be in Labour`s manifesto by the time of the election? Probably not even Keir Starmer does.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 8 Feb 10:48

A week ago it was headlined that Labour and SNP were equal in the number of seats they would win.

So now SNP leading Labour, the Nicola effect or the public seeing through the onslaught of lies from MSM?
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 8 Feb 11:56

What lies, are they bigger lies than the disgraced Matheson was spinning to save his skin?

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 8 Feb 16:37

British Bullshit Corporation followed closely by STV!🤣🤣🤣
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Thu 8 Feb 17:49

There’s no doubt the SNP are having their toughest test in Scottish politics but it must be remembered, the people in Government who are felt to have let many people down do not represent the wider party or movement for independence in general.

If they get rid of the deadwood and get people to get the party back on track they can survive the next election with reduced members

Let’s not forget either that polls are still around 50/50 for independence so what choice to people have?

Labour, Tories and Libs are a big red line if you vote for independence

Alba are not close to being credible enough and I say that as a fan of Alex Salmond as a politician and all he achieved over the past 40 years.

The SNP though need to regroup and focus on their prime directive and welcome other independence minded parties into their cause and stop focusing on what is best for the SNP but for Scotland

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Fri 9 Feb 21:15

Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 8 Feb 11:56

What lies, are they bigger lies than the disgraced Matheson was spinning to save his skin?


When it comes to lies, nobody does it better than the filthy Tory Gov…..

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower  
Date:   Sun 11 Feb 20:51

Returning to Rochdale, I see the Labour Party candidate has made a bit of a gaffe (I assume accidentally) which may lose him a few votes. Or perhaps not.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Sun 11 Feb 22:21

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McCaig`s Tower, Sun 11 Feb 20:51

Returning to Rochdale, I see the Labour Party candidate has made a bit of a gaffe (I assume accidentally) which may lose him a few votes. Or perhaps not.


I reckon that will gain him some votes
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Mon 12 Feb 11:51

That wasn’t a bit of a gaffe. Labour would surely have dumped him but it’s too late now.
Open goal for Tories but a warm welcome from the Corbynistas

Edit; if he’d said that after being elected he would have had the whip removed. He might have it removed on day one..



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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 12 Feb 20:39

Labour have withdrawn their support for their candidate but it`s too late to replace him.
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 12 Feb 21:37

If all the advanced warnings from the border eyes were correct .. that there was increasing activity from Hamas .. but ignored from the most security conscious people on the planet .. then he is not far from being on the money

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 12 Feb 22:53

You are quite correct, Busspasspar. Very suss indeed.

As I said in the OP, George Galloway should win this by-election at a canter. I am not his biggest fan, but I will celebrate. Kier Starmer is a disaster for Labour - Tony Blair on steroids. Labour lost its authenticity when it kicked out Corbyn.

These are grim times when a nation needs a genuine alternative to more years of Tory rule. Not Conservatism by another name.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 13 Feb 11:40

Labour in disarray, meanwhile a Labour think tank want to put all the people smugglers in a barge placed in Scotland!

Sure to be a vote winner, I suggest down Aberdour way to please all the yoons!
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 27 Feb 06:52

Looking like wee Dod may be sitting in the Commons in a couple of weeks...
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 27 Feb 10:31

Will he be allowed to keep his hat on?

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 29 Feb 12:30

Nick Griffin gives his backing to Galloway.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Thaipar  
Date:   Fri 1 Mar 02:57

And he has won
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Fri 1 Mar 05:29

Apologies it`s the only clip available.

Pity he`s an arch unionist, but hayho he`s going after the infiltrator of which should be the party of the working class.

100 more murdered in Gaza last night only trying to get food for the starving.

https://youtu.be/CiztKHjuGX8?si=nfYPibm7qjPA1s-a

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 1 Mar 06:59

Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 1 Feb 10:18

Oz, he is more likely to lose his deposit…

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Heh heh heh...

:)

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 1 Mar 08:55

Well at least I didn’t bet on it…

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 2 Mar 12:07

I think what George Galloway has done is incredibly brave. He has many enemies out there in the right-wing and zionist communities who would be prepared to resort to violence against him.

Ten years ago, a Jewish drug addict viciously attacked him in Notting Hill, leaving him with serious head injuries - that`s why he wears the hat. Who`s to say history won`t repeat itself?

Already, we can see that he has created panic in the Tory and Labour parties. The British political establishment is out to get him, and before very long he will be infuriuating the Israelis and the Americans. He certainly knows how to pick enemies!

I hope he is well protected.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: allparone  
Date:   Sat 2 Mar 12:58

I would think that George will only be there until the general election. He got half the votes that the Labour candidate got at the last election. Starmer was probably correct when he said that the only reason George Galloway won was that there was no credible Labour candidate standing.
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 2 Mar 13:31

Apparently his attendance record was very poor during his previous spells as an MP but he`ll be happy to pick up his £80k+ salary with associated perks and pension rights.

My abiding memory was seeing him crawling around in a catsuit on Big Brother. It`s difficult to take any politician seriously after that.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 4 Mar 22:44

George Galloway has made it clear that his Workers Party will be standing candidates in many key seats at the next general election, and where independents hold a good chance of winning, he will be giving them his support.

He has indicated that he would like Jeremy Corbyn to lead this broad coalition opposed to Labour and the Tories. If this were to pass, could this constitute a genuine challenge to the established two-party system? Galloway`s colourful description of them being two cheeks of the same backside increasingly sounds accurate on many issues.

Is a Corbyn-led third party a viable alternative to Labour or the Tories?

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 4 Mar 23:03

I like Jeremy Corby, I used to vote for Labour, when they actually had values. I believe Corbyn to be a good man, and would have been tempted to vote for Labour under him.

It`s no surprise he was seen as a genuine threat and the press led a campaign against him.

We are now back to blue tories or red tories, no real choice.

A alternative to Labour could split those who would vote for them though, let the tories in the back door, similar to ALBA up here with the independence vote
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 00:11

That`s the big concern, red-star-par. The last thing needed is to let the Tories slip back in, effectively by mistake. However, this is all about confidence.

The UK Labour Party currently has about 400,000 members, and I`ve heard it stated that half of those would move to Corbyn if he were to present a challenge with a new left-leaning party/coalition.

Starmer seems to be a dead duck in a lot of people`s eyes now after his stance on Israel. Many will vote Labour, simply because it is not Tory, but would they vote for a new left-leaning party/coalition led by Jeremy Corbyn? That`s the $64,000 question.

That`s where confidence comes in. And in that respect, no one is better equipped than George Galloway to instil that confidence in the left and actively undermine the established parties.

Starmer`s best hope is that Sunak will announce an early election. The longer he leaves it, the more likely it is that Galloway`s plan could succeed.

The next few months in UK politics are going to be very interesting.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 09:12

The big gravy train that is Westminster is really needing reformed, the expenses scandal and subsequent changes have not made it anymore honourable.

Someone like Gullis who was a former schoolteacher on £38K, is apparently worth £4 million now!

How is that even possible on an MP`S salary?🤔
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Tue 5 Mar 10:39

Why bother about Westminster? Whether we send 57 or 1 independence supporting MPs it won`t make any difference to our position.
Why do our MPs sit in there ? What do they achieve.

Likewise the system in Scotland needs tweaked....Why should a List MSP be allowed a second term, surely 5 year`s is enough to show their worth .

They maybe need to be a bit more radical in both parliaments

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/03/05/pick-the-ground-for-your-fight-carefully/#respond

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 15 Mar 18:13

He says he`s considering standing against Andy Burnham as mayor of Greater Manchester in the May local elections. I wonder how the good folk of Rochdale would feel about that as he`d have to resign as their MP if successful.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 22 Mar 09:27

Parliament doesn`t often hear speeches of this quality. Doubtless, none of this will be shown on the BBC or ITV. Nonetheless, George Galloway`s arguments here are very well put and hard to counter, even if more MPs were in the chamber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEm6tQ4zV9Y

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 27 Mar 19:13

This dangerous chancer is now peddling the ludicrous line that the USA and Britain were behind the IS attack in Moscow. According to him that why Obama visited Downing Street a couple of weeks back.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 28 Mar 20:46

George Galloway is by no means alone in expressing the view that the CIA, possibly/probably with the assistance of MI6 through their vassal, Ukraine, played some role in the Crocus City Hall massacre.

The speed with which the USA claimed that it was ISIS was highly suspicious, as was the announcement by the outgoing US undersecretary of state, Victoria Newland, two weeks previous to the atrocity that a "surprise" was in store for Russia.

Experts in terrorism point to the fact that the four perpetrators who faced a Moscow court did not fit with the well-established model for Islamic terrorists - people driven by a religious fervour, often highly intelligent, who are prepared to die as a martyr for their cause. Instead, these characters were low-IQ, had been paid for their services, and were escaping Moscow when arrested.

There has long been a suspicion that Obama is running the Democratic Party, not Biden. You need only look at the way the Democratic Primaries were stolen from Bernie Sanders to grasp the extent to which unseen figures corrupt that party.

Few would dispute that George Galloway is a divisive character. He riles the left and right in equal measure. But, for all of that, he has been proven correct more often than not on many key international issues.

Many people regard him as a chancer, but few could justify claiming he is dangerous. On the contrary, had we listened to his warnings more intently, the world might have been a safer place in most instances.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Fri 29 Mar 00:44

Oh FFS, I`m quite pished at the moment and might regret whatever I come out with next but let`s see where we go.

Oz, you`re an intelligent guy, no question there, and I can always see where you`re coming from but I think you`re falling into the trap of all West bad all opposite good here.

Well before that attack on Moscow "the west" said there an imminent attack coming. Are you suggesting they both organised and warned of that slaughter? There was nothing "highly suspicious", they`d warned them there was an attack coming and advised people avoid the very situation where it happened.

"George Galloway is by no means alone"
Care to share with us who else share his beliefs? Anyone outwith Moscow`s control?

Militant Islam isn`t just against ”the west", they`re also against Russia, they favour not one side or the other in our dispute, they`re on their side and EVERYONE ELSE is on the other side.

This isn`t binary or in any way simple, but they`ll try to make the most of ”my enemy`s enemy is my friend", or "useful idiot" to be more blunt about it.

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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference



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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 29 Mar 12:53

I think dangerous is an appropriate word for a British MP who, without a shred of evidence, stating that the UK partly orchestrated a terrorist attack in Moscow that killed hundreds.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 30 Mar 01:46

Parsfan, you ask if anyone else shares George Galloway`s views on the terrorist attack on Crocus City Hall. Well, here are three for starters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNKe6E3n2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmOqBoBL66c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6zKYK_jBhQ

Galloway is not suggesting that the US and UK were directly involved in the atrocity. He stated that if Ukraine were involved, there would be no way that the US and UK governments would not be aware in advance. Indeed, at least two public statements made by US officials suggest they had advanced knowledge.

As I pointed out in my earlier post, the likelihood of militant Islamists being behind this attack is low for the reasons given, but most obvious of all, because the attack occurred during Ramadan, observed by Muslims worldwide as a month of fasting, prayer, and reflection.

I repeat, Galloway is not dangerous. He is an opportunist and influential, but he is fearless and has supported the Palestinian cause for 40+ years. Because of this, his enemies are many and vocal, but he has friends too. Over three million people worldwide watched his podcasts last week. It will be interesting to see if his party succeeds in denting Labour`s prospects at the next election. We should not underestimate him.

If you want an illustration of this, look no further than the beginning of this thread, where a poster suggests George Galloway will lose his deposit; instead, he won with a 12,000-plus majority. This misreading of what is happening is primarily due to people relying on a dying mainstream media overwhelmed by institutional bias.

In the same way that views-on-demand services have replaced traditional television, conventional news services are being scuppered by independent online outlets. The glorious irony is that many of these independent outlets are operated by journalists fired by media conglomerates seeking to cut costs. Instead, those journalists collectively undermine and gradually destroy their old employers` businesses.

The development of independent media includes a growing number of subject-specific experts, which enhances the medium`s value. Of course, not all experts are reliable, nor are their motives always clear, but in much the same way that you perhaps prefer Radio Scotland over Radio Two, you must learn to differentiate.

You can extrapolate this trend to where you are now—dafc.net. We once would automatically turn to newspapers for news on the Pars or BBC Scotland, but nowadays, we find that news here, on other fan sites, or on `X`.

It is about adapting to change and accepting that the news we are fed daily is perhaps not news at all but manufactured lies.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: Tenruh  
Date:   Sat 30 Mar 05:57

When I realised the MSM in the UK were owned by 6 groups of individuals all pushing the same agenda I stopped buying newspapers along with many other people

Never missed them and in todays prices I`d have spent between £15 to £20 a week.
The day I stopped 17th September 2014...saved thousands of £££££

They still cannot sell a Sun in Liverpool, how many years is that now ?

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 30 Mar 08:01

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/holy-month-jihad-measuring-terrorist-activity-during-ramadan-post-911-era

Story`s six years old now but details how Isis and other such islamic extremists often call for and carry out deadly acts of violence during Ramadan. A quick Google will give you loads of articles all detailing the same stats of how Ramadan often sees IS carry out more attacks during the holy month. More recently earlier this year, IS spokesman, Abu Hudhayfah al-Ansari , called for IS supporters to step up attacks around the world and labeled Ramadan as `a month of jihad`.

And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 30 Mar 08:08

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sat 30 Mar 08:01

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/holy-month-jihad-measuring-terrorist-activity-during-ramadan-post-911-era

Story`s six years old now but details how Isis and other such islamic extremists often call for and carry out deadly acts of violence during Ramadan. A quick Google will give you loads of articles all detailing the same stats of how Ramadan often sees IS carry out more attacks during the holy month. More recently earlier this year, IS spokesman, Abu Hudhayfah al-Ansari , called for IS supporters to step up attacks around the world and labeled Ramadan as `a month of jihad`.


Maybe they just need a Snickers?
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sat 30 Mar 21:30

Can’t wait for the next thrilling instalment of ‘gullible pars fans and their daft conspiracy theories’ to declare the Baltimore bridge was a false flag operation and the power loss was a coordinated light flicking exercise by the CIA or other such twaddle
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 30 Mar 23:06

There is a huge difference between being gullible and being sceptical, P. And you would be gullible to think I am the former.

Don`t expect any conspiracy theories on the Baltimore Bridge disaster. It is known that the ship suffered a power loss at a critical point in its departure from the port. Its large swing to the right (starboard) was most likely due to transverse thrust, a phenomenon that results in a ship turning right when placing the propeller(s) in reverse (full astern).

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 1 Apr 15:45

Alastair Crooke, a former UK diplomat, worked for 30 years in MI6 under diplomatic cover in various hotspots. Here, he provides a very sharp assessment of the current situation in Europe, Ukraine and Russia. We should be careful not to let our leaders walk us into a major world war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ivpdK49a8

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: parsfan  
Date:   Mon 1 Apr 22:26

Oz, thanks for posting. It`s taken a while but I finally found the time to look at your links.

Summary: no one with an open mind on the subject then?

I didn`t get far with two videos hosted by the guy fervently opposed to any US involvement in for foreign wars. I just needed to see who they were with to confirm there was going to be nothing objective in there. You could have saved me sometime by just saying "Scott Ritter".

The last one I watched through. The main guy was just opinions and allegations. Like many of these conspiracy theory guys he starts with the conclusion he wants and says everything they find out about whatever it is they`re talking about backs it up. I don`t know if it was genuine ignorance of the Syrian civil war or if he was being deliberately disingenuous but it all just backed up what I was thinking about the guy. The other guy, who I think might be of a similar mind to the first one on other things, applied some analysis and logic and came to the entirely opposite view.


Fair play for posting where it`s coming from though, most treading this path just say "look for it yourself".

While I`m here...
Don`t expect any conspiracy theories on the Baltimore Bridge disaster.
Don`t expect it from you or at all? There already have been, I`d be surprised if you haven`t seen them. I even noticed in the comments of one of those videos someone asking for "the truth" about it.

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 Re: George Galloway to stand in Rochdale by-election
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 2 Apr 01:04

Fair comments, parsfan. I guess the term "open mind" is subject to interpretation depending on your point of view. Your take on that interview emphasises my long-held opinion that one should listen to and test arguments from north, south, east and west perspectives before drawing a conclusion. This was a good example.

Incidentally, these two journalists, Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate, in concert with two other independent newsgroups, exposed as outright lies and inventions the New York Times story on the alleged rape atrocities, cooked babies, and other tall tales of October 7 that went global. The NYT has since had to backtrack, but still, we hear these bullshit stories being repeated. Mud sticks and that was the Israeli`s intention. These guys may not have the presentation skills of a BBC Newsnight host, but they are proper journalists, know their subjects, and examine them with rigour.

The mainstream media in the UK, US, Australia, and elsewhere generally fails the public. It is failing in its duty to question the official lines. As a result, independent journalists were, for example, the first to report on the IDF helicopters and tanks firing at their own citizens, the repeated debunking of October 7 lies through proper research, and the exposure of the truth that Ukraine has effectively lost its war with Russia since the failure of the Spring offensive.

The claims that Ukraine was behind the attack on Crocus City Hall, with US and UK support, are yet to be proved or disproved. I hope it is the latter. Otherwise, we are in dangerous territory.

Yes, I have heard the daft loons` theories about the Baltimore Bridge disaster. Still, I should point out that in my early twenties, I was a watchkeeping navigating officer on 250,000-tonne supertankers. Sure, that was a long time ago—a lifetime ago—but I still understand the principles and can recognise what is likely to have occurred aboard that container ship.

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