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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 1 Mar 08:52
So as Scotland`s only oil refinery is set to close, Ratcliffe is going to build the biggest petrochemical plant in Europe in Antwerp, Westminster giving a £600million guarantee.
Glad he`s doing something with all that money he has saved in tax by moving to Monaco apart from his investment in Manchester United.
Wait till Forth freeport starts up, then he`ll be back like a shot!🤬🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 1 Mar 09:04
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GG Riva, Fri 1 Mar 07:24
Bottom line for me is that I want to be able to continue to support the team I have followed since 1963. The memory of 2013 is still vivid - I remember feeling sick to the bottom of my stomach at Starks Park, as we watched what was expected to be the Pars last ever game and I don`t want to experience that horrible feeling ever again.
I believe our investors are not short of a £ or two, but they didn`t become wealthy by throwing away good money year after year, so I`m sure they won`t be happy to have lost over £1m last season. If we were to post a similar loss for this season, they may decide they`ve had enough and walk away and then what?
Aye but we are Better Together and better out of the EU mind!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 1 Mar 14:20
Forgive my ignorance, but why is the UK government giving a Monaco resident £600m for a building in Belgium???
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 1 Mar 14:23
Because he`s a Tory donor!🤔💰💰💰💰
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 1 Mar 15:11
But what excuse/reason are they offering? It doesn`t appear to benefit the UK unless it`s a case of essentially transferring UK pollution to Belgium.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 1 Mar 15:19
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Fri 1 Mar 08:52
So as Scotland`s only oil refinery is set to close, Ratcliffe is going to build the biggest petrochemical plant in Europe in Antwerp, Westminster giving a £600million guarantee.
Glad he`s doing something with all that money he has saved in tax by moving to Monaco apart from his investment in Manchester United.
Wait till Forth freeport starts up, then he`ll be back like a shot!🤬🤬🤬
Allegedly if your in a freeport zone there`s limited restrictions on business, might just open the doors to fracking ?
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/03/01/the-freeport-ruse-exposed-2/#respond
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/03/01/salvo-acts-on-freeports/#respond
Post Edited (Fri 01 Mar 15:24)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 1 Mar 16:02
Ratcliffe was a great supporter of fracking, Fife would be prime land!
Any petrochemical workers on this site?
Hounds Point would be redundant.
Are there not pipelines from Edinburgh Airport and Mossmoran to Grangemouth?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 1 Mar 16:33
No, but seriously, I don`t get this. The UK taxpayer is gifting £600m to a "British" business whose owner is based abroad to avoid paying tax in the UK to build a massive plastic making factory in another country with no British jobs being created as a result, and at a time when we are trying to REDUCE plastic use and encourage more plastic recycling?
Where is the benefit to the UK? This sounds an awful lot like we`re giving more money to a rich old man who doesn`t need it.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 1 Mar 17:33
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Sums it up!!!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 1 Mar 18:20
This is one serious feked up Country
The new government will need years to fix (if it can be fixed) from the gross missmanagement by the worst government in my lifetime
There is still the budget to come and the Tory`s will make sure the rich are rewarded at the poors expense yet again
They will make it almost immposible for a Labour government to undo the damage
I despise All the Tory Scum . just saying
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 26 Mar 09:10
Well they posted a £100 million in profits, strange that they want to close it!🤔💩
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 26 Mar 09:14
Because it needs £101m in repairs. If it were truly making £100m and could do for the foreseeable then the Scottish Government would nationalise it.
What makes no sense to me is the money sent to Belgium!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 26 Mar 13:34
Under 80 million to refurbish apparently.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 26 Mar 13:50
The only energy rich country without a refinery...even England`s got one and they have a fraction of oil which we have...odd that.
Och never mind the nuSNP and Greens will ensure we`ll not be producing oil after 2030.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 26 Mar 13:57
England has more than one.
£80m to refurb isn`t insignificant.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 29 Aug 08:17
Saw the plant recently and it`s massive. Happened to get a very significant government bung not too long ago. Funny that.
Personally, I welcome a move away from fossil fuels but only where there is a viable alternative. It seems incredibly daft to move the refinement of Scottish oil to a plant 250 miles away in another country. Scottish Labour surely have a way of justifying this being supported by their UK colleagues?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 29 Aug 09:37
It`s a business decision. Ineos and the Chinese company that owns the refinery obviously feel that it no longer makes economic sense to keep it running.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 29 Aug 13:05
Well, it`s certainly a "business decision" but one that appears very questionable, particularly when another site that received billions of UK Gov funding is now going to take up the slack.
Some of the lines on it don`t even make sense. Less North Sea oil being refined yet they`ll now turn it into a terminal where that oil will then be transported down south for refinement. The site is too old yet Liverpool is creating a new site to pick up the slack. So rather than upgrade or build a new facility where the oil comes in, it`s somehow more efficient to put that oil in tankers, drive it 250 miles and have it refined at a newly built plant?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 12 Sep 18:49
Surprised there`s been no mention of the confirmed closure. It`s alright though as Milliband and Murray will throw £100m at supporting the Grange mouth community 🙄
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 12 Sep 19:27
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jake89, Thu 12 Sept 18:49
Surprised there`s been no mention of the confirmed closure. It`s alright though as Milliband and Murray will throw £100m at supporting the Grange mouth community 🙄
And 600 million Belgium`s way!🤔🤬
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 13 Sep 12:48
Ratcliffe seemingly at top table of Forth Freeport!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 13 Sep 13:00
500 million to Tata Steel in Labour run Wales, nowt for Grangemouth in SNP run Scotland!
Not political?🤔
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 14 Sep 15:20
And wee Michelle claims she has a buyer for the site.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 15 Sep 21:31
Lots of questions here.
Presumably there is a difference between the situation in Port Talbot and that in Grangemouth – they’re different industries, different sizes of workforces and so on. Which might explain why HMG and the SG are offering a £100 million support package compared to, what, £500m for Port Talbot?
Are these numbers comparable in any case?
Are there alternatives to Port Talbot as there are for Grangemouth?
What is the Antwerp plant? And the £600 million – is that a guarantee or a loan or an investment?
Is Ineos saying that it is more economic to transport crude oil to other refineries even allowing for extra costs of transit?
Has the SG’s ambivalence to the Oil and Gas industry had any impact on the decision?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 17 Sep 06:21
The guy from `Freedom for Scotland` on YouTube (see link below) sums up the Grangemouth situation well.
Scotland`s position here is echoed in Australia, where we are a significant oil and gas producer yet have seen our refineries close to the extent that today we mainly rely on Singapore for our refined products. Like Australia, Scotland will soon be highly vulnerable to external shifts in the political and economic environments.
It is not a good situation, and this decision`s effect on the independence question just adds to Scotland`s dilemma. Is no one capable of saving the Grangemouth plant? From a long-term strategic point of view, this is a fight worth fighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEW4Q_abrTs
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