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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 5 Nov 10:51
If the bookies are right and they usually are Trump will win it today.
A convicted felon in the Whitehouse will be bad news for a number of groups around the world. The Chinese curse of `wishing that you live in interesting times` will never be more apt.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 5 Nov 11:33
America really is an embarrassment of a nation.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 5 Nov 11:36
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 5 Nov 10:51
If the bookies are right and they usually are Trump will win it today.
A convicted felon in the Whitehouse will be bad news for a number of groups around the world. The Chinese curse of `wishing that you live in interesting times` will never be more apt.
Cannot see Trump winning as John Swinney has made it clear he wants the Democrats to win....you sometimes wonder if we`re being stitched up like kippers.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 5 Nov 11:47
I have no idea what point you are making there.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 5 Nov 11:57
It`s the same point he makes with every post - `SNP b-a-a-a-d!`
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 5 Nov 12:32
The betting markets are strange, loads of money piled on Trump a couple of weeks ago without any real basis - the polls have been pretty consistent throughout with all of the swing states within margin of error.
The betting markets don`t reflect the probabilities accurately - they are constantly hedging their position based on their exposure to certain results - which is why England are always `favourites` to win the World Cup in England.
The cynic in me suggests a lot of money has been piled on Trump to shift the betting markets, such that Trump can claim the election was `stolen` if he loses.
I think a Harris win is more likely than the bookies odds, although I`m not confident enough in that to place a bet on it myself.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 5 Nov 16:16
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 5 Nov 11:57
It`s the same point he makes with every post - `SNP b-a-a-a-d!`
Still got the blinkers on then..
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 5 Nov 16:23
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 5 Nov 11:47
I have no idea what point you are making there.
The point I was (trying) to make is we may need to rely on other nations in the future for support when fighting for independence therfore why did Swinney our unelected continuity FM get involved in another country`s politics.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 5 Nov 16:24
How has an 8 post thread about Trump and America led to Tenruh making it all about him and the SNP? 🤔
Trump wins and the world’s truly done. Israel and Russia will waltz their way through wars and Europe will become a battleground. America will descend into anarchy as well.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 5 Nov 16:25
I didn`t expect you to admit it, Tenruh.
Post Edited (Tue 05 Nov 16:26)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 5 Nov 17:04
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 5 Nov 16:24
How has an 8 post thread about Trump and America led to Tenruh making it all about him and the SNP? 🤔
Trump wins and the world’s truly done. Israel and Russia will waltz their way through wars and Europe will become a battleground. America will descend into anarchy as well.
Thanks for the name check Dave 👍
Trump is now the bookies favourite , will he win, we`ll find out shortly
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 5 Nov 19:14
Don`t call him shortly thats rude :-o))
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 5 Nov 19:44
If this relates to UK bookies then I suspect it’s possibly the Right Wing demographic are more likely to put a bet on at the bookies in the first place than others.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 5 Nov 19:51
I wish I were as confident as the bookies.
I am confident President Trump shall get the legal votes to win but it really has to be too big to rig due to the Democrats (The Party of the KKK, Slavery and Jim Crow) corruption.
If all goes as well as I`m sure everyone here is hoping and a massive turnout for Trump negates the cheating I think the Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine territory wars will be over before he takes the oath of office.
I RFK jnr. and Tulsi are part of the new administration but I`m not sure RFK will get through the conformation process and he may have to be shoehorned in an advisory role rather than a cabinet post. I`m looking forward to Elon`s contribution too.
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 5 Nov 21:12
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Tue 5 Nov 19:51
I wish I were as confident as the bookies.
I am confident President Trump shall get the legal votes to win but it really has to be too big to rig due to the Democrats (The Party of the KKK, Slavery and Jim Crow) corruption.
If all goes as well as I`m sure everyone here is hoping and a massive turnout for Trump negates the cheating I think the Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine territory wars will be over before he takes the oath of office.
I RFK jnr. and Tulsi are part of the new administration but I`m not sure RFK will get through the conformation process and he may have to be shoehorned in an advisory role rather than a cabinet post. I`m looking forward to Elon`s contribution too.
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more.
And what will the outcome of those wars be exactly?
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Tue 5 Nov 21:37
I hope Trump wins but the poll that came out of Iowa has me concerned
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 5 Nov 22:58
Why the actual f**k would any sane person vote for Trump unless you’re a far right wing zealot?
The man is deranged.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 5 Nov 23:21
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Tue 5 Nov 22:58
Why the actual f**k would any sane person vote for Trump unless you’re a far right wing zealot?
Or Christian Taliban.
Make
America
Gilead
Already!
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 6 Nov 01:23
Right wing `memes` really are something...
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 6 Nov 02:27
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 6 Nov 01:25
Oh please send this to a woman.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 03:04
New York times stating 71% chance of Trump Victory, predicted electoral college 289 v 249 for Trump.
Virginia currently leaning Trump, I`d be very surprised if he flipped that.
But bear in mind they predicted a crooked Hillary win in 2016 at 95%, but not this late in the night.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 03:28
82% of Trump Victory now - 296 v 242 for Trump.
Trump now favourite of the betting markets to win the popular vote, but I think California will probably keep printing votes till he doesn`t.
On TYT Chenk has apparently stormed off the set, while the recently red-pill Anna is sitting with a wry smile.
I`m watching BBC on mute and the DEI hires are all looking rather glum.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 04:21
Trump 90% chance.
Predicted Electoral college 301 v 237 for Trump.
Oh Marianna!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 6 Nov 06:29
The bookies are seldom wrong, and they`re right again.
Interesting times ahead.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 6 Nov 06:35
Interesting may be an understatement..... tempting to move to NZ
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 06:39
45=47
Congratulations President Elect Trump.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Wed 6 Nov 07:22
utter madness. gullible Americans ?
Trumpo says vote for me as the Democrats are cheaters.
there is only one cheater in America
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Topic Originator: Neil_Philp
Date: Wed 6 Nov 07:28
Think this is more to do with the Democrats failings than people voting for Trump in particular
The consensus seems to be that Americans are concerned about affordability, security and America in general. They`ve lost faith in the Democrats around these issues so they have voted for change.
I`m getting the vibe that many working Americans from a variety of ethnicities and backgrounds don`t particularly love Trump, but they have absolutely zero faith in the Dems to effectively run their country and look after their best interests.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 6 Nov 07:34
Proof that 51% of Americans are as crazy as Trump.
The bricklayers will be busy again
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Wed 06 Nov 08:26)
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Topic Originator: Neil_Philp
Date: Wed 6 Nov 07:38
Elon Musk voted for Obama twice
Tulsi Gabbard was a Dem
Joe Rogan backed Sanders previously
RFK was a Dem
They`ve all backed Trump for this election.
The Democrats REALLY need to learn from this.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 07:48
Quote:
Topic Originator: Neil_Philp
Date: Wed 6 Nov 07:38
Elon Musk voted for Obama twice
Tulsi Gabbard was a Dem
Joe Rogan backed Sanders previously
RFK was a Dem
They`ve all backed Trump for this election.
The Democrats REALLY need to learn from this.
COYP
They won`t learn, they are one trick donkeys. The will continue with their identity politics because they are morally bankrupt.
It was too big to rig, and with the introduction of paper ballots and voter IDs nationwide the dems only hope is to abandon their tactics of election fraud, ballot harvesting and lawfare and actually start coming up with policies that people want to vote for.
But they won`t.
The world is a safer place today tan it was yesterday.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 6 Nov 08:04
What we`re seeing is a worried America. A slow realisation that the US isn`t the land of opportunity and amazing place it once was (or was portrayed to be).
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 08:13
Amazing that people can be so gullible as to vote for someone like him. Democracy is dead, there are too many people that aren`t intelligent enough to vote who are easily swayed by what people tell them. We have seen it here over the last 10 years.
At least the Americans won`t have to vote again
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 6 Nov 08:49
Hope we are all ready for the bigots to take over the UK in 2029 😂 what a mess the worlds going to be now
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 6 Nov 08:54
I think it shows that despite a longstanding sense that we are similar in actual fact the US belief system has materially deviated from the European one. It’s a massive country so it’s not purely down to luck or stupidity when 150m vote. They simply prioritise different things for us.
Course anyone who actually believes anything was rigged despite being totally disproven with zero evidence to back rigging claims up and the admission by Trump allies that it is nonsense is a mouth foaming moon howler.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 6 Nov 09:02
The world`s greatest democracy is now a fascist dictatorship.
The Antichrist will complete his purpose.
Interesting times indeed.
Ukraine will be worried, and so should Israel. He will soon turn on them.
He is no friend of Israel or the church, and now he no longer needs to pretend to be.
Just give it time.....
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 6 Nov 09:21
Seriously though, what happens if the new york judge puts him behind bars for 10 years?
Does he go or stay out? 🤔😂
Is he the first convicted felon to be president as well?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 6 Nov 09:29
It`s probably devastating for Ukraine. In all likelihood they will now just have to allow Russian jackboots to march all over their territory and with a America not committed to NATO what`s to stop Putin deciding to take the Baltic states as well now.
I wouldn`t say it`s bad news for Israel. A good chunk of Trump`s family are Jewish after all, including his daughter and grandchildren. Iran will certainly not be threatening Israel anytime soon now though they are allied with Russia so Trump would have to consider that.
While China and Russia are partners without limits it`ll still be interesting how Trump handles China. The maga cult are Russian sycophants but at the same time deeply mistrust and dislike China. If they make a move on Taiwan how would Trump react?
Interesting times ahead. Unfortunately.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 6 Nov 10:14
Quote:
Dave_1885, Wed 6 Nov 09:21
Seriously though, what happens if the new york judge puts him behind bars for 10 years?
Does he go or stay out? 🤔😂
Is he the first convicted felon to be president as well?
I`m expecting things to be delayed until he`s in office, and the law will be changed by him before then.
Post Edited (Wed 06 Nov 10:19)
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 6 Nov 10:21
I`m pretty sure that, as President, he`ll just pardon himself and carry on as if nothing ever happened.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 6 Nov 11:13
Well he can only pardon himself of federal crimes not state ones. Doesn`t matter anyway now.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: PeachtreePar
Date: Wed 6 Nov 12:34
Trump will get a slap on the wrist and a fine and nothing more. That is why the sentencing was delayed until after the election.
I don`t like Trump, never have, never will. I don`t think he is a good human being never mind a good President. He is everything I taught my kids not to be. I am a US citizen. I did vote. i don`t like it but will accept the will of the people. Unlike Trump in 2020. This is not the Republican Party of Lincoln, Eisenhower or even Reagan. It`s a cult of personality with very little in terms of substance behind it. I was hoping MAGA would die but I guess need to just outlive the Orange one.
No change in Government until January 20th. Gives me plenty of time to buy a tin helmet.
I`ve not really posted too much on this forum in recent years. Bletchley you can enjoy your moment but your nonsense about the cheating Democrats is just that. No credible evidence has ever been presented, because it doesn`t exist, it never happened. Try other countries being able to do that but with everything run at State level the ability to co-ordinate any kind of mass change of vote is impossible. It is also very disappointing that you keep on repeating these lies when thousands of people and volunteers sacrifice so much to make the election what it is and some suffered terribly following the last election. Rudy Giuliani getting what he deserves.
You also seem to be good at selectively taking things from history and trying to suggest that those continue in the modern day. Woodrow Wilson was a white supremacist no doubt, but that was more than a hundred years ago. You know when Britain had an empire and so did France. You conveniently seem to forget the Civil Right movements, and the Great Switch. Perhaps you should find a US history book that gets past the 1950s.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 13:11
It is remarkable to think that if the Democrats and deep state did not rig the 2020 election that they would be a couple of months away from being rid of Trump and this election cycle the dems would have chosen a candidate through the primary system and not been lumbered with a DEI hire with a dreadful 4 years of failure as VP.
They`d also be probably facing a weak republican candidate like Pence or some Rhino and now they are in all likelihood going to have to face someone formidable in 4 years like JD Vance.
I`m enjoying this and God works in mysterious ways and the pain and hurt of the stolen 2020 election has actually worked out for the best, Trump may have not been in the White House these last 4 years but he has lived rent free in the head of the deep state swamp and the MSM and now he has arrived at this point for his second term with people on board like RFK jnr, Tulsi and Elon.
I was quite miffed that Kemi won the Tory leadership, I wanted it to be a Tory wet and the "conservative" party to crash and burn, but watching her hand Two Tier Keir`s bottom to him today and PMQ`s over Trumps magnificent comeback victory is glorious.
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Topic Originator: PeachtreePar
Date: Wed 6 Nov 14:19
Bletchley you are very antagonistic and like to use name calling which really comes across very childish. No real surprise you idolize Trump
Maybe you should just throw in the towel on humanity and become a Falkirk fan into the bargain
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 14:45
Not just the greatest US President of all time, but probably the best dancer in the Universe.
It`s fun to stay at the....YMCA!
It`s fun to stay at the....YMCA!
Post Edited (Wed 06 Nov 14:47)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 6 Nov 16:19
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 6 Nov 13:11
It is remarkable to think that if the Democrats and deep state did not rig the 2020 election that they would be a couple of months away from being rid of Trump and this election cycle the dems would have chosen a candidate through the primary system and not been lumbered with a DEI hire with a dreadful 4 years of failure as VP.
They`d also be probably facing a weak republican candidate like Pence or some Rhino and now they are in all likelihood going to have to face someone formidable in 4 years like JD Vance.
I`m enjoying this and God works in mysterious ways and the pain and hurt of the stolen 2020 election has actually worked out for the best, Trump may have not been in the White House these last 4 years but he has lived rent free in the head of the deep state swamp and the MSM and now he has arrived at this point for his second term with people on board like RFK jnr, Tulsi and Elon.
I was quite miffed that Kemi won the Tory leadership, I wanted it to be a Tory wet and the "conservative" party to crash and burn, but watching her hand Two Tier Keir`s bottom to him today and PMQ`s over Trumps magnificent comeback victory is glorious.
Nobody outside Maga is this stupid.
He is on the wind up.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 6 Nov 16:44
Dow opens +1300 as a result of president trump`s re-election, the recovery back to normalcy has started in earnest.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Wed 6 Nov 17:53
This is the greatest comeback in political history as I remember everybody saying his political career was dead in the water
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 6 Nov 18:48
PeachtreePar, BP is on the wind up.
PS lovely to have ye back on the forum 😊
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 6 Nov 22:00
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Wed 6 Nov 17:53
This is the greatest comeback in political history as I remember everybody saying his political career was dead in the water
You aren`t an uneducated white male by any chance?
Trump wins....the end begins. Button the hatches, you are in for a ride.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 7 Nov 03:10
If anyone thinks the 2020 election was legit, I have a bridge to sell you and some magic beans all smothered in premium snake oil.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 7 Nov 07:56
“Button the hatches” .. Eh?
Never sailed the seven seas with a parrot on your shoulder!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 7 Nov 08:28
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 7 Nov 03:10
If anyone thinks the 2020 election was legit, I have a bridge to sell you and some magic beans all smothered in premium snake oil.
Hold on....I thought The Donald was saying it was the biggest turnaround in the history of any country in this universe ever? And that the new coalition that he built was actually amazing, the most amazing coalition ever.
Yet he still got fewer votes than last time? Amazing.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 7 Nov 08:52
What was the overall turnout on Tuesday? Has it been published?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 7 Nov 10:02
Quote:
wee eck, Thu 7 Nov 08:52
What was the overall turnout on Tuesday? Has it been published?
Similar to last time.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/06/voter-turnout-2024-by-state/
Post Edited (Thu 07 Nov 10:03)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 7 Nov 10:13
Thanks, ipswichpar.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 7 Nov 12:29
Quote:
ipswichpar, Thu 7 Nov 08:28
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Thu 7 Nov 03:10
If anyone thinks the 2020 election was legit, I have a bridge to sell you and some magic beans all smothered in premium snake oil.
Hold on....I thought The Donald was saying it was the biggest turnaround in the history of any country in this universe ever? And that the new coalition that he built was actually amazing, the most amazing coalition ever.
Yet he still got fewer votes than last time? Amazing.
Because, as BP well knows, the graph is "fake news". The turnout increases in 2020 but not considerably. Less than 10%. Current figures suggest the 2024 figure is broadly in line with the 2020 one.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 7 Nov 13:32
The Bellwether counties.
Biden in 2020 lost 16 out of 17 of them.
Post Edited (Thu 07 Nov 20:51)
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 7 Nov 23:44
Hamas calls for peace now Daddy`s home.
Rumour has is Putin and Zelenskyy are to meet next week for sit down talks.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 01:35
That is not entirely true, Bletchley Par. Hamas has done nothing of the sort. Here is the actual quote...
"The election of Trump as the 47th president of the USA is a private matter for the Americans," Hamas Political Bureau member and spokesperson Basem Naim told Newsweek, "but Palestinians look forward to an immediate cessation of the aggression against our people, especially in Gaza, and look for assistance in achieving their legitimate rights of freedom, independence, and the establishment of their independent self-sovereign state with Jerusalem as its capital."
"The blind support for the Zionist entity `Israel` and its fascist government, at the expense of the future of our people and the security and stability of the region, must stop immediately," he added.
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As for Ukraine... well, finally, the truth is coming out, and all those lies your mainstream media have fed you can be exposed. Ukraine lost this war many months ago, and the savageness of it all could have been prevented very early in the piece, but for Boris Johnson and Joe Biden telling Zelenskyy that NATO has got his back. More than a million people have died unnecessarily because of this. It is utterly disgraceful.
And yes, as Russian president, Putin was morally obliged to stand his ground against the NATO advance eastwards. Would an American president allow a similar encroachment into Mexico by Russia??? Of course not!
Zelenskyy has nothing left to negotiate. He is fecked. Putin holds all the cards. The grim truth is Ukraine will be considerably smaller and weaker when all this is sorted.
The irony of ironies is that NATO will cease to exist pretty soon. Trump will ensure that.
What a shambles!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 02:43
The fighting in Israel and Palestine will stop.
And yes, Zelenskyy will accept defeat and the war will end.
NATO is not going anywhere, the European nations will have to up their defence spending, probably at the expense of the climate scam and obviously they will have some spare change not having to send billions to fund Zelenskyy`s coke habit.
People will stop dying, NATO will be stronger, fantastic stuff.
Oh and the big Orange fella will be back on Twitter (not it`s real name) with the presidential account triggering all the left people.
It`s gonna be bigly biblical.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 Nov 07:19
Putin was morally obliged to invade Ukraine and bomb apartment blocks, supermarkets and hospitals. Incredible. If he is morally obliged then you`d agree he should be morally obliged to start bombing Helsinki and Stockholm next then as the expansion eastwards (or democratic nations exercising their rights) has continued.
Had the Ukrainians not resisted they wouldn`t be smaller or weaker because Ukraine would no longer exist.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 08:07
Sarcasm does not translate well when you are discussing serious issues like war TOWK, it`s much better to talk plainly so the issues can be discussed without thing getting lost in translation.
Firstly I tend not to take sides in foreign civil wars be they in Israel or the former soviet union. And yes I view the Russian-Ukraine war as a civil war, albeit one that was just delayed in the post since the break up of the Soviet Union.
Putin will tell you he invaded to fight back against the Nazification of Ukraine and to protect Russian speakers who were being ethnically cleansed in Eastern and southern Ukraine.
Now when I say Nazification, I`m not Talking about the modern left`s usage of the word when someone strays from the groupthink and they get called a Nazi, a fascist or "literally" the Austrian painter, I`m talking about real blood and thunder Nazis, that even the Guardian was calling out in 2014 before the Maidan Revolution.
Now I`m not interested in discussing whether you believe these things to be true, in whole, in part or at all, I`m just stating Putin`s reasons or excuses for his invasion.
Ukraine has lost the war and if Harris had won no doubt Zelenskyy would have fought to the last man then fled to the USA to live his life in exile while hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians were dead.
Your claim that Putin would go on to bomb Stockholm is ridiculous in my opinion and Helsinki only slightly less so.
The details of the Armistice that will now happen will probably be something along the line of a demilitarised zone within Ukraine and autonomy for ethnic Russians who live in those areas.
Putin has to be allowed to "win" and I think this will be seen by the west as a small enough win to cope with and the killing can stop.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 Nov 08:54
My claim that Putin would go onto bomb Helsinki and Stockholm was in reply to Oz who said that Putin was morally obliged to invade Ukraine due to NATO eastern expansion which has only increased massively since the invasion. NATOs border with Russia has more than doubled since the invasion. That was quite clear though in my original post.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:22
For goodness sake, TOWK, can you not understand that Putin was morally obliged? He is the leader of a country that was and is directly threatened by NATO`s eastward advance.
Quite rightly, a DMZ should be established between the two parties. And Finland and Sweden would do well to rethink their positions. History will show that their entry into NATO was unnecessary. Putin has zero ambition to go further west than he has, let alone head into the Baltic. Indeed, at one time, he offered to join NATO!
Historians will likely take an entirely different viewpoint on the conflict from that broadcast day after day in the Western media. Folks directly profiting from the military-industrial complex have perpetrated so many lies to an unquestioning press. Only now are people beginning to understand that they have been fooled. Sadly, it is too late for a million who lay dead in Ukraine and Russia.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:38
Threatened how? Are you so indoctrinated by the propaganda that you honestly believe that NATO was going to invade Russia? In your eyes does Russia bear no responsibility for the million dead?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:55
I would argue that you are the one who has been indoctrinated and brainwashed with nonsense from your media. NATO poked the bear for years, and finally, the bear reacted. We`ve gone through this on another thread, so there`s no need to repeat it. Let`s say we agree to disagree.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 8 Nov 12:03
Honestly, the level of STOOPID displayed on this thread by Oz and Bletchley is beyond belief but unsurprising.
I`m still torn on whether Bletchley is on the wind-up, but if his sentiments are genuine then you really have to wonder what went wrong? Somebody who speaks so authoritatively on "the Climate Scam", yet refuses to engage with someone who has the scientific knowledge to counter his propaganda is your textbook example of Narcissism. Much like the orange man himself.
As for Oz, well, I might be "boringly predictable" in saying this, but he really has shown his true colours as the terrible human being he is.
Pretty much every statement made on Ukraine is devoid of any knowledge of either Ukrainians or Russians as ethnic groups or of the history of said ethnic groups and nation states. It is also abundantly clear that he has absolutely ZERO military background or knowledge of warfare and weaponry.
We see his rampant infatuation with authoritarians such as Xi and Putin and a completely biased take on theocratic rule in the Middle East. According to our resident Infowars Bureau Chief: Zionist = Bad, Islamist = Good. United Russia & CCP = Morally correct in attacking and threatening neighbours, Democratic States = Bad for opposing Authoritarianism. One can only shake the heid. Particularly so when, at the age of 70, his parents would have been involved in WW2.
And of course, his claims of "I know how the media works" and advanced years mean that everybody else is wrong and should kowtow to his vastly superior "knowledge". Simply put, that is ego and generational indoctrination of "respect your elders" talking.
As someone who is a Swedish citizen and member of the reserve branch of the Swedish Defence Forces, I can tell you that Sweden and Finland would NEVER have joined NATO had it not been for Putin`s decision to attack Ukraine. This was done simply to create a Boogieman and maintain his hold on power. Nothing else.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 13:19
Terrible human being??? WTF!!! You don`t know me! Behave yourself.
You have been factually wrong on pretty much everything you have posted here. Not to mention agist... one day, when you grow up and stop being a drama queen, you might discover that age need not be a factor, provided you have an agile and inquisitive mind.
In the meantime, Hong Kong is a good city, but it can be pretty suffocating. Get away from the expat bankers and their insular lifestyle. It will close your mind. I have family connections there, so I am familiar with your work environment and the insular lifestyle that many expats there lead. Your comments on Xi`s China reflect this. Open your mind to what has been going on there, and you will realise that the Chinese are wonderful people—not the bogeymen you fear.
As for Russia-Ukraine, I am no Russophile, but I understand where Putin is coming from. You currently sit in the heart of Asia, but your mind is Eurocentric. I have lived in the Asia Pacific area for 35 years. naturally, I have a different perspective than you.
You seem to be a Pars fan, though I can`t remember you ever commenting on the football. There is no doubt that you see things only in black and white. Nuance is not in your vocabulary, and you seem unable or unwilling to consider an opposite viewpoint. Perhaps that`s a generational thing.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 14:04
"terrible human being"? That`s quite a comment.
HJ does seem quite intelligent but clearly has some kind of disorder where he doesn`t have any inkling of how offensive and dismissive of other people`s opinions he can be. Play the ball rather than the man. He could do with showing some humility.
I welcome the viewpoint offered by OzPar (and previously Sammer, who I hope is okay). It`s always worth reading and considering the opinions of others as we are only getting a very one sided view of the world through the mainstream media
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 8 Nov 14:41
Oz, your posts have descended to the same depths as Sammer`s before he disappeared to the Gulag.
I took classes in Russian and Asian Economics, History and Politics in Sweden (which was neutral until 2022) just out of interest, so I do actually have quite a strong knowledge on the history of both countries and the current society. To be honest, I know more about both China and Russian than I do about most European states.
If you want to talk morals, then let`s. YOU are the one who has called for the death of Israeli civilians at the hands of Islamists. YOU are the one who tries to blame the victim in the Ukraine conflict that was started by a KGB gangster who has a habit of doing so to maintain his own position - you say this conflict has cost 1Mn lives yet you claim the instigator is "morally correct". YOU are the one who defends a regime in China that is impoverishing its own people to maintain its own kleptocracy.
I work in Hong Kong with firms every day that are looking to shift their operations abroad due to how Xi`s Government behaves. I travel over to the mainland every few weeks for work, so I`ve seen a good chunk of it including the abandoned construction sites, empty LED-laden skyscrapers, polluted rivers, smog etc. You have a HUGE number of highly educated folk now who have had to resort to working as taxi drivers or "yellow coat" delivery men. I have good friends from the Mainland that I`ve made here and also with whom I studied in Durham. They will openly tell you about the state of affairs in China. They get no healthcare, no free education and what they do get is provided on the basis of a family`s loyalty to the CCP.
One particular friend is gay and working for a Mainland state owned company. His job at the moment is basically to falsify reports to tell the Chinese government that the company is meeting the Central Government`s 5% growth target. He`s worked for several firms that do EXACTLY the same thing year on year. Not since Mao has China been so closed off economically as it is now. IF you`d spent any time here, you`d understand that the Mainlanders who have not experienced the outside have very little in the way of standards and are more obsessed with money and getting rich quick. Even the Hong Kongers seem to pick and choose when they implement particular regulations, from private businesses upto and including government institutions. You can try and claim all you like that this is the viewpoint of expats in Hong Kong, but that really isn`t the reality.
You are right that the Chinese are a wonderful people. The sad thing is that much of their culture has been destroyed and corrupted by a kleptocracy (remember the Great Leap Backwards?) just as bad as that of Stalin or Hitler. They deserve better.
Post Edited (Fri 08 Nov 14:43)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 8 Nov 14:42
You said something similar of the Iranians. I had a good few of them in my research group in Heidelberg and they were great people. The difference between them and a number of Mainland Chinese is that they are not corrupted by "face culture" - they will quite openly tell you that their government is F***ed, which is considerably rarer among Russians and Chinese.
As somebody who claims to have been a news bureau chief, surely you must be aware of the state of Mainland Chinese media and the "Xi Jinping thought" education programs that are being taught in schools there? Kids are actively taught to hate Japan and there was in fact an 8 year old stabbed to death up in Shenzhen last week simply for speaking Japanese.
It really is quite incredible how you claim that the Western Media is somehow corrupt and spreading propaganda, yet you eagerly repeat the narrative of regimes that have ZERO transparency or accountability and tell everybody else that THEY are wrong.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 8 Nov 14:53
RSP - There is a clear distinction between having a different viewpoint and actually spreading misinformation. Oz, Bletchley and Sammer`s posts are/were rife with it.
As for playing with the ball and not the man, I think you`ll find that Oz simply didn`t like being taken to task by somebody younger than him. That is quite common among men generally.
You`re quite welcome to claim that I require some humility or whatever but there were those who welcomed the "alternative viewpoints" of Hitler and Lenin. How did that turn out? I`d recommend you go and seek out some of the young Russians who left in the wake of 2022 or some of the Chinese diaspora whom the CCP consider dissidents. You`ll get some very interesting stories out of them that could be considered "alternative viewpoints".
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 15:02
Why does everyone have to go for personal attacks lol, its quite embarrassing, regardless of what ur opinion on a matter is, no matter if 95% agree there will be 5% who dont, so instead of being a pair of prannies why dont u read clearly what each of u saying, and debate on that, rather than resorting to childish insults
COYP
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 15:29
We`ve gone from "let`s agree to disagree" to 3am on a Sunday morning on Guildhall Street in super quick time!
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