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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 Dec 14:21
At the time of the EU referendum `Taking back control` was the main slogan of the Brexiteers. Leaving the EU would give the UK back its sovereignty and independence from EU interference. In recent weeks we`ve heard that the great British institution, Royal Mail, is being taken over by a Czech millionaire, and the Belfast shipbuilder, Harland and Wolff, is about to come under the control of the Spanish state-owned shipbuilder, Navantia. How is that `taking back control`?
Apparently Navantia already has a business relationship with Harland & Wolff. It is the main contractor on a project to build three support ships for the Royal Navy, with Harland & Wolff acting as UK subcontractor. How does that work? At the time of the Scottish independence referendum weren`t we told that, in the event of Scotland leaving the UK, Scottish shipbuilders would be disqualified from working on UK defence contracts on grounds of security?
Post Edited (Sun 29 Dec 14:23)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 29 Dec 14:48
Scottish yards build all of the Royal Navy’s frigates and destroyers. A benefit of being in the Union…
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 29 Dec 14:57
And Macquarie have just increased their share of the UK`s core gas transmission network from 80% to 100%.
As I predicted quite some time ago, Brexit was a complete nonsense, based on the votes of people who generally didn`t have a clue what they we`re voting for, only a few of a narrative what they were voting against, and that narrative was generated by folk working for personal interests.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 Dec 15:10
`Scottish yards build all of the Royal Navy’s frigates and destroyers. A benefit of being in the Union…`
We were told that benefit would disappear if Scotland left the UK as these contracts would go to other UK yards, yet here we are with contracts going to a company controlled by the Spanish state-owned shipbuilder.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 29 Dec 16:07
Quote:
Parboiled, Sun 29 Dec 14:48
Scottish yards build all of the Royal Navy’s frigates and destroyers. A benefit of being in the Union…
No they don`t. For a start, some are being built in Barrow.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 29 Dec 17:36
It’s not about the ownership of the company. It’s about security clearance and the physical location.
For example, Leonardo and Airbus are foreign-owned, but have ‘List X’ secure sites in the UK. But ‘UK eyes only’ means just that.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 Dec 17:59
So what would have stopped Scottish shipyards building British ships?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 29 Dec 18:22
wee eck wrote:
> So what would have stopped Scottish shipyards building British
> ships?
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Security clearance.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 29 Dec 18:49
We would need somewhere to maintain and build our own ones…
How many ships do the uk navy have? - wondering what our share would be?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 Dec 19:45
Well if we are going by a population ratio share then we be entitled to about a fraction of a single frigate and a fraction of a single destroyer.
Post Edited (Sun 29 Dec 19:47)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 29 Dec 19:58
Was led to believe that many European nationals worked on the 2 carriers that were built in Rosyth?🤔
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 29 Dec 20:16
Cool so not much of the horrific National debt Westminster built up will be ours either then 👍
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 29 Dec 20:33
Mind how they told us it would allow the nation to take control of its borders too? Hows that going?
Just wait till Reform gets in and those destroyers and Frigates are patrolling the channel sinking migrant vessels every day……..at least so they say anyway.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 30 Dec 11:39
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 29 Dec 19:58
Was led to believe that many European nationals worked on the 2 carriers that were built in Rosyth?🤔
It must have been the Italian, French and Spanish bits that didn`t work.
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 4 Jan 18:29
An independent Scotland will have the same potential to build as Norway. The geographical location and the protection for rigs that will be around for 25 years at least will demand that.
The ideas that westminster are doing us favours is nonsense. They are putting orders to the best companies that can deliver.
But few companies will survive only on naval orders.
However, given the Royal Navy is quite small and that we would only get 12% of it - not a lot of boats - we would be investing for several decades at least.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 8 Jan 13:44
Is this another example of the UK `taking back control`? As its name implies the developer, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners, is an investment fund headquartered in Denmark, a country the same size as Scotland.
From BBC News -
`Work is under way to create one of the largest energy storage facilities in Europe at Coalburn in South Lanarkshire. Developers say the two huge neighbouring battery farms - one at the site of a former opencast coal mine - will store enough electricity to power three million homes. The one gigawatt facility is being constructed in two phases with the first due to be operational later this year. It will be charged using excess power from wind farms with the electricity being discharged when demand is high or renewable generation is low. The giant batteries will operate for two hours at a time before being depleted.
Work on the first phase started in November 2023 with the developers - Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners (CIP) - confirming that construction would begin shortly on stage two. Alongside the final investment decision for the Coalburn 2 site, CIP has also confirmed that work will begin soon on a similar sized battery farm near Kincardine in Fife.`
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 10 Jan 11:13
Ah well, UK economy going down the tube, Truss going to sue Starmer🤭
What a place this UK nation has become, a chancellor who is running the economy who maybe isn`t even qualified, according to rumours ?
Country was close to blackouts on Wednesday apparently 😲
Looking forward to the food price rises along with power, still no mention of Brexit!
Trump still to come!
Time for Scotland to move!🏴🏴🏴🤞
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 10 Jan 11:44
Maybe Trump will come to our rescue as he`s threatening to do with Greenland!
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 10 Jan 11:54
Swinney says he “intends to finish the task” on Independence. Does he no ken Indy was finished years ago?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 10 Jan 12:51
Maybe it would be `finished` if voters could be convinced of the benefits of the Union. The Unionists have actually lost ground since 2014.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 10 Jan 13:04
No we haven’t lost ground , we’re still in the UK!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 10 Jan 13:30
Any word on these benefits?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 10 Jan 19:03
‘What a place this UK nation has become, a chancellor who is running the economy who maybe isn`t even qualified, according to rumours ?’
No qualifications needed to be Chancellor LA 😀
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 10 Jan 20:55
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Fri 10 Jan 19:03
‘What a place this UK nation has become, a chancellor who is running the economy who maybe isn`t even qualified, according to rumours ?’
No qualifications needed to be Chancellor LA 😀
Did she not flaunt herself as an economist?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 10 Jan 21:02
LochgellyAlbert wrote:
> Quote:
Tad Allagash, Fri 10 Jan 19:03
>
> ‘What a place this UK nation has become, a chancellor who is
> running the economy who maybe isn`t even qualified, according
> to rumours ?’
>
> No qualifications needed to be Chancellor LA 😀
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> Did she not flaunt herself as an economist?
Yeah - lied on her CV about her role at HBOS.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 16:13
Here`s an interesting poll for the Brexiteers amongst us -
`On Friday it will be the fifth anniversary of the day the UK left the European Union. YouGov says the number of people who think that was the right decision is down to a record low in its polling, at 30%, and only 11% of people, and only 22% of people who voted leave, think it has been a success.`
If only they`d listened to Scotland.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 29 Jan 17:00
Or London. Or Northern Ireland.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 17:16
OK, why did folk in London, N Ireland and Scotland come to a different conclusion from those in the rest of the UK, the majority of whom now seem to recognise they got it wrong according to this YouGov poll??
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 29 Jan 21:23
NI was always going to be complicated and yes, they voted remain but only just.
Scotland was already deemed to be the country that would suffer the most economically from leaving the EU….and that was the then Governments own figures. No surprise we voted remain. The sensible people in Scotland that is. Rabid Unionists did not care what damage it inflicted..
Plus anything the Tories initiate would always be rejected by Scotland.
London? Cosmopolitan ?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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