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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 Dec 14:21
At the time of the EU referendum `Taking back control` was the main slogan of the Brexiteers. Leaving the EU would give the UK back its sovereignty and independence from EU interference. In recent weeks we`ve heard that the great British institution, Royal Mail, is being taken over by a Czech millionaire, and the Belfast shipbuilder, Harland and Wolff, is about to come under the control of the Spanish state-owned shipbuilder, Navantia. How is that `taking back control`?
Apparently Navantia already has a business relationship with Harland & Wolff. It is the main contractor on a project to build three support ships for the Royal Navy, with Harland & Wolff acting as UK subcontractor. How does that work? At the time of the Scottish independence referendum weren`t we told that, in the event of Scotland leaving the UK, Scottish shipbuilders would be disqualified from working on UK defence contracts on grounds of security?
Post Edited (Sun 29 Dec 14:23)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 29 Dec 14:48
Scottish yards build all of the Royal Navy’s frigates and destroyers. A benefit of being in the Union…
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 29 Dec 14:57
And Macquarie have just increased their share of the UK`s core gas transmission network from 80% to 100%.
As I predicted quite some time ago, Brexit was a complete nonsense, based on the votes of people who generally didn`t have a clue what they we`re voting for, only a few of a narrative what they were voting against, and that narrative was generated by folk working for personal interests.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 Dec 15:10
`Scottish yards build all of the Royal Navy’s frigates and destroyers. A benefit of being in the Union…`
We were told that benefit would disappear if Scotland left the UK as these contracts would go to other UK yards, yet here we are with contracts going to a company controlled by the Spanish state-owned shipbuilder.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 29 Dec 16:07
Quote:
Parboiled, Sun 29 Dec 14:48
Scottish yards build all of the Royal Navy’s frigates and destroyers. A benefit of being in the Union…
No they don`t. For a start, some are being built in Barrow.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 29 Dec 17:36
It’s not about the ownership of the company. It’s about security clearance and the physical location.
For example, Leonardo and Airbus are foreign-owned, but have ‘List X’ secure sites in the UK. But ‘UK eyes only’ means just that.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 29 Dec 17:59
So what would have stopped Scottish shipyards building British ships?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 29 Dec 18:22
wee eck wrote:
> So what would have stopped Scottish shipyards building British
> ships?
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Security clearance.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 29 Dec 18:49
We would need somewhere to maintain and build our own ones…
How many ships do the uk navy have? - wondering what our share would be?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 29 Dec 19:45
Well if we are going by a population ratio share then we be entitled to about a fraction of a single frigate and a fraction of a single destroyer.
Post Edited (Sun 29 Dec 19:47)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 29 Dec 19:58
Was led to believe that many European nationals worked on the 2 carriers that were built in Rosyth?🤔
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 29 Dec 20:16
Cool so not much of the horrific National debt Westminster built up will be ours either then 👍
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 29 Dec 20:33
Mind how they told us it would allow the nation to take control of its borders too? Hows that going?
Just wait till Reform gets in and those destroyers and Frigates are patrolling the channel sinking migrant vessels every day……..at least so they say anyway.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 30 Dec 11:39
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 29 Dec 19:58
Was led to believe that many European nationals worked on the 2 carriers that were built in Rosyth?🤔
It must have been the Italian, French and Spanish bits that didn`t work.
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 4 Jan 18:29
An independent Scotland will have the same potential to build as Norway. The geographical location and the protection for rigs that will be around for 25 years at least will demand that.
The ideas that westminster are doing us favours is nonsense. They are putting orders to the best companies that can deliver.
But few companies will survive only on naval orders.
However, given the Royal Navy is quite small and that we would only get 12% of it - not a lot of boats - we would be investing for several decades at least.
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