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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Tue 21 Jul 23:07
BBC reporting that he is to join the Lords and become a minister in Burnham`s cabinet.
Jobs for the boys...
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 21 Jul 23:12
My initial thought is as much as it’s jobs for the boys he’s trying to get Sarwar onside as early as possible. Wasn’t Sarwar very outspoken on Starmer?
COYP
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 21 Jul 23:38
Maybe this is Sarwar`s reward for starting the ball rolling with criticism of Starmer even before the Holyrood election campaign had begun. I`m not seeing much `new` politics, with supporters of the new PM being elevated to the House of Lords and given a job in government without being elected. That`s one thing the SNP won`t be guilty of doing.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Jul 01:10
Is there any official reason why you have to become a lord to be part of the cabinet?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 22 Jul 02:01
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 22 Jul 01:10
Is there any official reason why you have to become a lord to be part of the cabinet?
I’m assuming because he’s not an elected MP,
Not even an elected MSP either to be fair.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 22 Jul 06:31
The best we have to offer, or simply rewarding folk for helping with the political coup? (And that`s coup d`etat rather than a mess.....)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 22 Jul 13:03
I wonder what Joshua Simons, the MP who unselfishly gave up his job so Burnham could get in the back door as PM, managed to get out of that for himself. He wasn`t doing it for the good of the country presumably
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 22 Jul 13:44
Is there any official reason why you have to become a lord to be part of the cabinet?
Not legally. it is a convention that any minister be available to answer questions in parliament.
It used to be quite rare for someone to be ennobled in such a way to allow inclusion in the cabinet – I think there was a bit of comment when David Young was ennobled in the Thatcher years.
Patrick Gordon Walker was made Foreign Secretary in 1964 by Harold Wilson, despite losing his seat at the General Election. It was assumed that he would soon get back into parliament, but he managed to lose the Leyton by-election so quit.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 22 Jul 14:04
As for Anas Sarwar, it wasn`t that long ago that he looked like becoming First Minister
Then the world decided that Starmer wasn`t very good at his job (he wasn`t, although better than several recent incumbents), and was somehow responsible for things like CoVid, Putin invading Ukraine, war in the middle east and the re-election of Trump. (He wasn`t this either).
Sarwar has been getting a lot of flak for the insipidness of the Holyrood campaign, but how much of that is justified, and how much is residual bitterness over not being socialist enough is not clear to me. His demise reminds me a little of Aberdeen constantly sacking managers for not winning the league.
Who will get his job as leader?
Jackie Baillie will be interim leader but I don`t think wants it permanently.
I don`t think Daniel Johnson wants it.
Monica Lennon will replace him as MSP, she may want the top job as well.
Michael Marra is a good MSP - but he may feel he can do more.
Paul Sweeney may be a candidate, but choice is limited.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 22 Jul 14:07
When politicians are told the public are disillusioned with politics and politicians they always say they `get it` and Burnham said he would change that, but he`s no sooner in the door of no 10 than he`s sacking those in the Cabinet who were close to Starmer and replacing them with his cronies. Now he`s finding a job for someone who isn`t even an MP.
Are they so carried away by being in power that they can`t see how this will be perceived or do they simply not give a toss how it looks? It was the same when Starmer came to power and we had all these examples of `freebies` being taken. Could no one in the party or amongst their advisers see the potential damage of this behaviour and nip it in the bud?
Post Edited (Wed 22 Jul 14:10)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 22 Jul 14:26
Given Rayner and Haigh have made a return, I think it`s just that he doesn`t give a toss.
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Wed 22 Jul 18:17
MT - when did it ever look like Anas Sarwar was going to be First Minister ??
Did I miss something ?
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 22 Jul 21:57
IMO, Sarwar is a really odious individual. Moaning about how high positions in Scotland "are always occupied by white people" and his grievance politics where everyone is supposedly Islamophobic. Also can`t help but find the irony in him being privately schooled, Leader of the Labour Party and now a Lord.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 22 Jul 22:57
Quote:
MikeyLeonard, Wed 22 Jul 18:17
MT - when did it ever look like Anas Sarwar was going to be First Minister ??
Did I miss something ?
Sarwar has never been close to being FM
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 23 Jul 06:44
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 22 Jul 13:03
I wonder what Joshua Simons, the MP who unselfishly gave up his job so Burnham could get in the back door as PM, managed to get out of that for himself. He wasn`t doing it for the good of the country presumably
Look at his name.....
See Burnham has given the Yanks access to British airfields to bomb Iran .
Two clues for you. They've totally corrupted politics to the point they're getting away with genocide.
Post Edited (Thu 23 Jul 06:46)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 23 Jul 09:23
Sarwar is an odious little man. A perfect example of what Labour have become - career driven liars.
Him being made a lord after all he said about the Lord`s is surely the final nail in his political career coffin. Except it isn`t as he`s now going to be paid for life for doing sweet FA. Makes you wonder what he did to deserve that? 🤔
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 23 Jul 17:33
Named as the UKs head on Trade…….thats questionable.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 23 Jul 19:01
In politics it`s amazing how principles go out the window when there`s a possibility of personal advancement. Farage seemed to lose interest in proportional representation when he thought there was a chance of Reform winning a majority under First Past The Post.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 23 Jul 23:59
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 23 Jul 17:33
Named as the UKs head on Trade…….thats questionable.
It`s about time these positions were specifically for individuals with relevant University education or experience in the field. Cabinet reshuffles have become an absolute joke of inexperience
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Jul 10:13
We now have nearly 800 people in the Lord`s. Each eligible for £370 a day. Although they don`t all show up, that`s almost £300k a DAY or around £60m a year taking into account recess.
Why on Earth does a country this size need 800 Lords?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 24 Jul 10:35
If you`re going to elevate someone to the House of Lords in order to appoint him as a government minister you`d think it would be someone with relevant experience and a proven track record in the area concerned. Sarwar has been made a Business minister. He was a dentist before taking up a political career.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 24 Jul 11:27
Well, some of his interviews are like pulling teeth so I guess that`s where he gets it from.
I`m amazed someone hasn`t started one of those petitions to get 100k folk to back it and ensure it is discussed in the Commons.
And jake I think your question is the wrong way round.... it isn`t why does this country need 800 Lords, the way the system works I think it should be "Why do 800 Lords need this country?"
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 24 Jul 15:17
Part of the problem with putting the right person in the right place I believe is all of the political negotiations in the background. I believe the parties negotiate with each other about who gets what position and what legislation will be challenged and what won’t be challenged etc. I also believe that’s how we’ve basically ended up with this uni-party structure.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 24 Jul 18:21
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 24 Jul 10:35
If you`re going to elevate someone to the House of Lords in order to appoint him as a government minister you`d think it would be someone with relevant experience and a proven track record in the area concerned. Sarwar has been made a Business minister. He was a dentist before taking up a political career.
Qualified back stabber, Sleekit Sarwar!🐍🐍🐍
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 24 Jul 20:38
MT - when did it ever look like Anas Sarwar was going to be First Minister ??
Did I miss something ?
Labour won 36 seats from the SNP at the 2024 General Election, and were ahead in the polls. At that point I think it looked likely that Sarwar would be FM.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 24 Jul 21:16
Except it isn`t as he`s now going to be paid for life for doing sweet FA.
If he`s going to be a minister of state I think it`s reasonable that he gets paid the going rate.
If he reverts to being a mere peer, then he will get no salary, only an attendance allowance (and frankly inadequate expenses). It is possible to quit the Lords and there is talk of introducing a compulsory retirement age. I don`t think its the sinecure people think it is, nor a job for life.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 24 Jul 21:34
It`s about time these positions were specifically for individuals with relevant University education or experience in the field. Cabinet reshuffles have become an absolute joke of inexperience
If you were going to introduce this constraint (and constraints lead to sub-optimal outcomes) you`d have great difficulty filling any cabinet positions. (And that`s before you get into the debate on what counts as relevant or experience).
In theory the policy should come from the elected politicians and the Civil Service should facilitate its implementation.
Ideally you should have well-informed and well-advised politicians implementing good policies with competence. Not all of these criteria are met, and then problems are exacerbated by politicians dissembling.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 25 Jul 11:22
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Fri 24 Jul 20:38
MT - when did it ever look like Anas Sarwar was going to be First Minister ??
Did I miss something ?
Labour won 36 seats from the SNP at the 2024 General Election, and were ahead in the polls. At that point I think it looked likely that Sarwar would be FM.
I think that result, along with many other Labour wins were more about getting rid of the tories than they were in fully supporting and mandating Labour Party / manifesto
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Jul 11:35
I had a Laboiur canvasser at my door during the 2024 General Election campaign asking me to `lend my vote` to Labour to get rid of the Tories. Little was said about Labour policies. It was the same message at the 2026 Holyrood election but this time we were asked to `lend` our votes to get rid of the SNP. By that time folk were disillusioned by Labour at a UK level and the majority opted for the status quo.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 25 Jul 16:49
MT always has an excuse for the British Government`s or Unionist parties` negligence or malpractice well-prepared.
There wasn`t a hope in hell that Sarwar was going to be First Minister - the Independence vote will always consolidate around the SNP, come election time. Put on top of that, the current hostility toward migrants - particularly those of an Islamic background - and also Sarwar whinging about white people occupying the majority of.managerial posts in Scotland, then I think we might be edging closer toward the true motives of the UK Labour party in "promoting" him.
Long story short, it`s a way to get him out the way and keep him financially sound.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 25 Jul 21:54
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Fri 24 Jul 21:16
Except it isn`t as he`s now going to be paid for life for doing sweet FA.
If he`s going to be a minister of state I think it`s reasonable that he gets paid the going rate.
If he reverts to being a mere peer, then he will get no salary, only an attendance allowance (and frankly inadequate expenses). It is possible to quit the Lords and there is talk of introducing a compulsory retirement age. I don`t think its the sinecure people think it is, nor a job for life.
Bootlicking answer. £300 per day is well above the medial wage. The little snake has just been set for life
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