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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 6 Apr 21:00
Probably deserves its own thread.? Firstly, let’s hope he pulls through. Whilst he has his faults, I think he is generally a decent guy and politician.
Should the worst happen, there has to be serious ramifications?
Edited to say he is a buffoon, not unlike that chump across the pond.
All his deficiencies cruelly exposed during this covid crisis.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Mon 25 May 16:30)
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Mon 6 Apr 21:27
I don't like him I'll admit but I really hope he's ok.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 6 Apr 21:33
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Mon 6 Apr 21:35
Hope he pulls through ok, but maybe never took the threat seriously enough in the beginning and has come back to haunt him.
"Mr Johnson told reporters at a press conference in Downing Street: “I am shaking hands. I was at a hospital the other night where I think there were coronavirus patients and I was shaking hands with everybody, you will be pleased to know, and I continue to shake hands.
“People must make up their own minds but I think the scientific evidence is … our judgment is that washing your hands is the crucial thing.”
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles
Date: Mon 6 Apr 21:56
I hope he gets through this along with everyone else currently in intensive care, horrible news for him and his nearest and dearest.
For as much as I don't like the guy or his policies, I do think he has done his best and has been genuine throughout all of this.
Awight Pat!
Post Edited (Mon 06 Apr 21:57)
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 6 Apr 22:10
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Mon 6 Apr 22:25
He has previous for telling porkies. We need photographic proof from a member of staff. Not from his pr
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 6 Apr 22:51
Quote:
dave67, Mon 6 Apr 22:25
He has previous for telling porkies. We need photographic proof from a member of staff. Not from his pr
Or a board statement?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 6 Apr 23:13
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Mon 6 Apr 23:24
Might be unpopular but Johnson's British bulldog approach in the early weeks has not only cost him dearly but perhaps his pregnant girlfriend and thousands of people up and down the UK who were leaderless in a genuine crisis.
Of course on a personal level, I don't wish the worst on him or anyone with this illness and can only hope he comes out of this a new man and more humble than before.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
Post Edited (Mon 06 Apr 23:24)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 7 Apr 00:54
Think he must be in a really bad way.
BBC journalist Nick Eardley on twitter saying "he remains concious"
To me that doesn't seem like something you would say about someone who was taken in as a precaution.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 7 Apr 07:04
Let's all put our political persuasions to one side and hope he pulls through. If he's only in intensive care as a precautionary measure, he's not in mortal danger, but that could change very quickly.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 7 Apr 08:25
I don't wish the man any harm but maybe now he will see first hand the hard working NHS staff and the need for future investment
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Topic Originator: Hail2Crail
Date: Tue 7 Apr 08:27
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 7 Apr 10:51
Quote:
Buspasspar, Tue 7 Apr 08:25
I don't wish the man any harm but maybe now he will see first hand the hard working NHS staff and the need for future investment
This!👍
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Topic Originator: dickandbert
Date: Wed 8 Apr 09:12
I don't wish him harm, indeed I hope everyone survives this horrible virus.
I wouldn't grieve or be the least upset if he dies.
I would be if it was a friend or family member.
He deserves no more or less support and respect than any other stranger in ICU.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 8 Apr 11:09
Why is he in ICU when he currently doesn't need a ventilator?
Surely makes sense to give it up for someone who does need it badly?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 8 Apr 11:13
Surely there is more to being in intensive care than just being stuck on a ventilator?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 8 Apr 11:30
Intensive care units (ICUs) are specialist hospital wards that provide treatment and monitoring for people who are very ill.
They're staffed with specially trained healthcare professionals and contain sophisticated monitoring equipment.
Intensive care is needed if someone is seriously ill and requires intensive treatment and close monitoring, or if they're having surgery and intensive care can help them recover.
Most people in an ICU have problems with 1 or more organs. For example, they may be unable to breathe on their own.
There are many different conditions and situations that can mean someone needs intensive care.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 8 Apr 12:16
I think they've had to reduce the staffing ratios in ICUs. It's normally one-to-one but it's not nearly as 'intensive' for CV cases.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Wed 8 Apr 17:48
Wonder what he thinks about his Italian doctor now that he is sitting up in bed.Maybe these eu citizens aren't as bad as he thought.
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Topic Originator: Boomer
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:11
Hope Play up Pompey has given the people who question why the PM is in an ICU an explanation which might just sink into their tiny minds.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:19
Quote:
Boomer, Wed 8 Apr 22:11
Hope Play up Pompey has given the people who question why the PM is in an ICU an explanation which might just sink into their tiny minds.
Because the man is a complete tool and ignored the advice of medical experts? My thoughts go out to the already over encumbered staff who have to deal with this idiot
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:31
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 9 Apr 09:51
Raymie thanks for sharing it is indeed an eye opening read
I read it as a damning indictment rather than a balance tho
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 9 Apr 10:11
Prob was boris was lead by his handler Cummings instead of just the experts.
Cummings in particular has written eugenic blog posts in the past and is fascinated by herd immunity. There can be no doubt about who was steering that approach and he is very pally with vallance.
There was an interesting article in the Sunday times a few weeks back where it was found Dom was running the first cobra meetings as the pm was nowhere to be seen, these initial meetings were not extended past the tory sycophants and thier own cmo. It was effectively decided to go for herd immunity and if a couple of thousand pensioners die then be it was the attitude. It took well over a week for the penny to drop that this approach would be catastrophic.
Dom has gone very quiet after scuttling away from Downing Street a number of days after this article.
Here’s hoping this all comes out in an independent enquiry and we know torys don’t do collective responsibility as each is out for why they can get but like the Russian interference report no doubt it will get swept under the carpet.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 9 Apr 11:06
Aye there are a few big bumps under the Axminster Berkey
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 9 Apr 11:21
Snap Wotsit just finished watching it..... all true
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 9 Apr 11:25
It's something that everybody knows but its nice to see it being so honestly acknowledged by the main public broadcaster.
Hopefully enough is done to keep those points in the forefront of consideration on public spending in the future.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 9 Apr 11:42
Quote:
londonparsfan, Thu 9 Apr 11:25
It's something that everybody knows but its nice to see it being so honestly acknowledged by the main public broadcaster.
Hopefully enough is done to keep those points in the forefront of consideration on public spending in the future.
An extra 10k for politicians to work from home, that should kick Coronavirus ass...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 9 Apr 12:12
C'mon now buddy we both know that was independently recommended and completely worth it...
You can see from Raymie's link what a good job they've done so far.
I actually hadn't seen the thing on expenses until you posted. It's pretty incredible.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 9 Apr 12:31
Quote:
EEP, Wed 8 Apr 22:31
I hope the wee fud is okay and maybe can provide my wife with the proper PPE as a carer? She has nothing apart from 2 x face masks that need thrown away.
The whole fife council system is a joke.
Sure I read they now legally have to give carers PPE. Is the issue that they can't afford it, or is it that there isn't any?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 9 Apr 12:53
Quote:
londonparsfan, Thu 9 Apr 12:12
C'mon now buddy we both know that was independently recommended and completely worth it...
You can see from Raymie's link what a good job they've done so far.
I actually hadn't seen the thing on expenses until you posted. It's pretty incredible.
Disaster capitalists that folks all of a sudden think are trustworthy.
I'd love to hear what aspect of this whole saga transformed Boris from serial liar to trustworthy leader overnight.
5k single purchase limit....what is 5k that they would need to work from...Michael Gove's easy...a hooker and coke binge...but everyone else?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 9 Apr 15:18
Anyone seen our illustrious Home Secretary?
She has vanished off the face of the earth, failed to attend 4 committee meetings and hierarchy are scared to put her on the briefing circuit due to the painted on smug look she exudes!😏
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Topic Originator: Digs
Date: Thu 9 Apr 15:37
Whilst he has his faults, I think he is generally a decent guy and politician.
Sorry Raymie, I don't wish the guy dead but he is neither of those two things.
Serial adulterer, umpteen kids by several women, some whilst still married to someone elese, will flip-flop on pretty much any issue if it's politically or professionally expedient for him to do so, a serial liar, well known for being lazy and incompetent in pretty much all of his roles in Whitehall prior to becoming PM.
Aye, hes a top man right enough.
Stair Maistreas na Beatha
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 9 Apr 16:09
At the point someone falls out with Gove because Gove thinks he is a sneaky bass, then you know you are dealing with someone special!
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 9 Apr 19:12
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 9 Apr 12:53
Quote:
londonparsfan, Thu 9 Apr 12:12
C'mon now buddy we both know that was independently recommended and completely worth it...
You can see from Raymie's link what a good job they've done so far.
I actually hadn't seen the thing on expenses until you posted. It's pretty incredible.
Disaster capitalists that folks all of a sudden think are trustworthy.
I'd love to hear what aspect of this whole saga transformed Boris from serial liar to trustworthy leader overnight.
5k single purchase limit....what is 5k that they would need to work from...Michael Gove's easy...a hooker and coke binge...but everyone else?
Unfortunately it's a combination of people being inclined to think that rallying behind the PM irrespective of his decisions is the right thing to do in situations like this being combined with a drop in adversarial questioning from opposition political parties and journalists as they don't want to be accused of playing politics on the issue. All of a sudden you're a bit of a legend.
The really crazy thing about the expenses is that quite a lot of what looks to be eligible to be claimed could probably be claimed under the existing system.
The Scottish news last night had mothers saying that the increased food and heating bills were a real strain and Universal Credit for the poorest has been raised by a maximum of £1k whereas politicians on far better salaries with the ability to expense a lot of their living expenses already get handed up to £10k.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 9 Apr 20:41
It's a scandal....openly taking the **** and it's about time people stopped dressing it up.
Frontline workers now learning that by "essential" workers our government actually means "expendable".
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 9 Apr 21:53
Quote:
Digs, Thu 09 Apr 15:37
Whilst he has his faults, I think he is generally a decent guy and politician.
Sorry Raymie, I don't wish the guy dead but he is neither of those two things.
Serial adulterer, umpteen kids by several women, some whilst still married to someone elese, will flip-flop on pretty much any issue if it's politically or professionally expedient for him to do so, a serial liar, well known for being lazy and incompetent in pretty much all of his roles in Whitehall prior to becoming PM.
Aye, hes a top man right enough.
Well, if you put it like that, I’ve given him too much credit.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: DulochConvert
Date: Thu 9 Apr 22:24
Now he is out IC is ok for me to dislike him again?
His ego centric political attitude will probably kill more than COVID, the guy who voted against nurses pay rise, they never got that 350m a week! But hey ho, he has messy hair!!!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 9 Apr 22:29
Or that time he arranged to have someone beat up..
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Sat 11 Apr 15:03
Johnson is a racist, misogynistic, self confessed criminal and self absorbed individual.
Do I wish ill on him. No.
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 11 Apr 17:06
Quote:
Jbob, Sat 11 Apr 15:03
Johnson is a racist, misogynistic, self confessed criminal and self absorbed individual.
Do I wish ill on him. No.
He may be all, some or none of the above but I’m just watching the Home Secretary, Priti Patel hosting the daily update
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Sat 11 Apr 17:09
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 11 Apr 18:25
Quote :- BigJPar
She is the devil's spawn that one.
A dangerous Hoor for sure and a nasty piece of work
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Sat 11 Apr 19:33
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 12 Apr 09:35
Anyone here going to contribute to a gift for this charlatan?
5000 pound cufflinks anyone?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 12 Apr 09:37
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 12 Apr 09:35
Anyone here going to contribute to a gift for this charlatan?
5000 pound cufflinks anyone?
Like it or not, in our own we way we already are.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 12 Apr 09:42
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sun 12 Apr 09:37
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 12 Apr 09:35
Anyone here going to contribute to a gift for this charlatan?
5000 pound cufflinks anyone?
Like it or not, in our own we way we already are.
Oh I know but it takes a special kind of bootlicker to start a GoFundMe for him, a special kind of invertebrate loser to contribute and rather vintage Tory pig/ scumbag to see through...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 12 Apr 09:46
Ah, i was hoping it was a GoF***me page. Poor wee multimillionaire must be finding it tough.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Sun 12 Apr 16:58
Patel is an arrogant piece of sharn. Her insincerity shone through yesterday.
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sun 12 Apr 18:17
What a despicable, hypocritical slimey toad he is. Just watched that nauseating video of him praising the NHS, the NHS which he and his party have systematically destroyed for greed and profit, and think that those who work in it at great risk to themselves due to his cost cutting which leaves them next to no essential ppe, will be satisfied with his hollow plaudits. I absolutely despise him and his like.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Apr 18:23
It's also ironic that the two nurses he was most grateful to were not from the UK but from New Zealand and Portugal. I wonder if they earn enough to be allowed to stay here after the immigration rules are changed?
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Sun 12 Apr 18:31
As soon as we are through this I have no doubt Slimy Patel will get rid of them.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 12 Apr 18:33
Thinking here having watched it he is either the fittest most resilient human being on the planet or he is exaggerating a soupcon
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 12 Apr 18:52
He had **** all.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Sun 12 Apr 18:52)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 12 Apr 19:54
Away to his second home now after going to Downing Street to pick up some suits.
Meeting up with his bird at Chequers, thought it was 14 days after effects of the virus before you mixed again?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 12 Apr 19:55
Dorseteye.com coming up with some interesting stories!🤔🤔🤔
Post Edited (Sun 12 Apr 20:01)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 12 Apr 22:08
He looks remarkably well !
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 13 Apr 01:09
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 12 Apr 22:08
He looks remarkably well !
He has been in hiding, nothing wrong with him other that the need to keep out out the public eye. Hopefully the next time we see him will be when the baying mob catch up with him, and his supporters
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 13 Apr 09:35
If there was nothing wrong with him then it is perhaps the nhs darkest moment as an NHS hospital and its scores of doctors, nurses and associated clinicians have conspired to pull the wool over the eyes of the people.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Mon 13 Apr 09:42
He has shown his true leadership ability in time of national crisis!
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 13 Apr 10:32
I didn't think he looked particularly great - albeit with Johnson, he never does.
It's a conspiracy too far for me to suggest he's either not been in hospital or has been but has had little wrong with him.
Probably won't work too badly in the short term for him. Putting the likes of Raab, Patel and Hancock front and centre makes you think he's not quite as horrifically incompetent as first suspected.
When we're through this and the fallout properly begins, I think the Tories will get a bit of a kicking though.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 13 Apr 10:44
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 13 Apr 09:35
If there was nothing wrong with him then it is perhaps the nhs darkest moment as an NHS hospital and its scores of doctors, nurses and associated clinicians have conspired to pull the wool over the eyes of the people.
Had to sign official secrets act....not really a choice.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 13 Apr 11:10
I'm no fan of Boris Johnson but this conspiracy stuff is just getting ridiculous. Why didn't they say he was on a ventilator to get a bit more sympathy? And why is there not a single whistle-blower to spill the beans? It's a bit like that conspiracy theory in the States that the Sandy Hook killings didn't take place. You would need collusion on an unbelievable scale to make it work.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 13 Apr 11:34
Whilst it may be a load of *****, but i wouldn't put it past him, it just shows how much mistrust people have in him.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 13 Apr 11:35
Absolute slavers from the conspiracy theorists, again taking attention away from the real issues.
Was he ill? Yes.
Was he ill enough to go to hospital? Yes.
Was he ill enough to go to intensive care? Debatable, and we will probably never know the answer.
This is a sideshow distracting everyone from the real issues. The government were unprepared for this (through choice), made decisions too late, and are trying to pass the blame of any failings onto the people they have failed.
Implying that the lack of PPE could be down to overuse by people who don"t need it is exactly the same disgusting Tory methods they used to justify reducing benefit claims.
They are also constantly banging on about how controlling the number of deaths is in the hands of the public. If we are good boys and girls it will be ok. If the figures get worse then it will be our fault for misbehaving, and definitely not the fault of our pathetic excuse for a government.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 13 Apr 11:45
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 13 Apr 10:44
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 13 Apr 09:35
If there was nothing wrong with him then it is perhaps the nhs darkest moment as an NHS hospital and its scores of doctors, nurses and associated clinicians have conspired to pull the wool over the eyes of the people.
Had to sign official secrets act....not really a choice.
Which part of the official secrets act would this fall under. Here are the categories defined by the 1989 act.
These are:
Security and intelligence
Defence
International Relations
Information which might lead to the commission of crime
Foreign confidences
The special investigation powers under the Interception of Communications Act 1985 and the Security Services Act 1989
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 13 Apr 12:24
Doesn't seem entirely unreasonable getting someone to sign the official secrets act if they are looking after the PM potentially drugged up to him eyeballs.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 13 Apr 12:29
Surely during a global crisis every single person within earshot of the PM (and every other national leader) would have to sign some form of official non disclosure documentation whether they be a special advisor or the jannie? If I work on a remotely sensitive piece of work in my job i have to sign to confirm I understand my NDA obligations and that’s just a bank ffs
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 13 Apr 12:52
The conspiracy theorists seem to be saying that NHS staff were asked to sign the OSA to prevent them disclosing that the PM wasn't in hospital, not to prevent them disclosing anything he said!
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 13 Apr 12:55
Quote:
ipswichpar, Mon 13 Apr 12:24
Doesn't seem entirely unreasonable getting someone to sign the official secrets act if they are looking after the PM potentially drugged up to him eyeballs.
The official secrets act though it's not a catch all legislation. It is designed for the areas mentioned in the act. I do not see which category treating the PM would fall under the act. Considering most of the people treating PM were also mostly non UK nationals, can they even be forced to sign? Not sure what the law says about that.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 13 Apr 13:13
Folks are often asked to sign it simply to remind them that they shouldnt be shooting their mouth off....it is a good way to alter behaviour. I havent looked in detail but section 5 looks to be relevant.
As far as i understand it, it covers jurisdiction of breaking it rather than the nationality of the preacher.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Mon 13 Apr 13:26
As conspiracy theories go, this is up there with the worst of them.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 13 Apr 14:43
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 13 Apr 12:52
The conspiracy theorists seem to be saying that NHS staff were asked to sign the OSA to prevent them disclosing that the PM wasn't in hospital, not to prevent them disclosing anything he said!
Oh he was in hospital....and you can chuck all the names you want at me...you're the ones believing the most openly compulsive liar with previous for disappearances at crucial times.
I at no point said he wasn't in hospital, I have stated I do not believe he was in any sort of bad nick.
So please don't revise my narrative to suit yours.
Edit: When you look at what the Tories have pulled off in the past...and you think faking an illness is beyond them?
We've had journalists hail his recovery as up there with the resurrection of christ ffs.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Mon 13 Apr 14:50)
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 13 Apr 14:50
You don't have to sign the official secrets act to be bound by it.
Notification that the act applies to an individual must be given though.
I only ever signed it once back in 1987... Thereafter it was included into my contract.
But I've already said too much... 🙄
Admin
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 13 Apr 15:01
''I at no point said he wasn't in hospital, I have stated I do not believe he was in any sort of bad nick.
So please don't revise my narrative to suit yours.''
So all the medical staff who attended to him colluded in the misleading bulletins which were issued about his condition and none felt compelled to spill the beans?
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 13 Apr 15:06
I don't know if the story is true, but if staff were told to sign the Official Secrets Act then there must have been some intended intimidation. All hospital staff are bound by patient confidentiality which is perfectly adequate. Well, it should be perfectly adequate unless they saw things that were not related to medical care.
Like Rastapari I think Johnson has milked his illness for a number of reasons. I find it hard to square the story he was not on a ventilator with later reports suggesting he was at death's door. He has a track record of avoiding public scrutiny when he is under pressure as we saw during his election campaign. He also tried to close down the UK parliament before that election which lo and behold has come about anyway.
Back in the 1970s Michael Foot was briefly in an NHS hospital and the tabloids went for him with both barrels. Bed blocker. A man who could afford to go private but was making a political statement. Then they found out he was in a separate room with a telephone! Raving hypocrisy they screamed. Animal Farm etc etc. Now compare that with the NHS citizen Boris nonsense being spouted by our media today.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 13 Apr 15:10
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wee eck, Mon 13 Apr 15:01
''I at no point said he wasn't in hospital, I have stated I do not believe he was in any sort of bad nick.
So please don't revise my narrative to suit yours.''
So all the medical staff who attended to him colluded in the misleading bulletins which were issued about his condition and none felt compelled to spill the beans?
Read the big about official secrets act....would you give up your career and have the PM gunning for you?
Like I said it's you who is believing one the most proven liars in British politics....at a time he needs you to, have at it.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 13 Apr 15:10
Where is the evidence that medical staff had to sign the OSA? Someone suggests it and all of a sudden it's a 'fact'. Typical .net.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 13 Apr 15:15
Quote:
wee eck, Mon 13 Apr 15:10
Where is the evidence that medical staff had to sign the OSA? Someone suggests it and all of a sudden it's a 'fact'. Typical .net.
Calm down, no need to get rattled.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 13 Apr 15:25
The media nowadays reports what will sell papers. They're not interested in actual news.
Just look at our local paper. Numerous scandals they could have covered but instead stick to the tried and tested "John Smith of James Bank Hostel was sentenced to 6 months in prison for stealing 3 bottles of perfume from Debenhams".
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 13 Apr 16:16
So the theory is that Johnson had flu-like symptoms a few weeks ago. I presume he was tested and found to have Covid-19 so his doctors told him to self-isolate. After that he still had symptoms (or maybe he feigned symptoms) and his doctors advised he should go to hospital. The doctors at St Thomas's agreed with this, or were fooled into thinking he was more ill than he actually was, or played along with it. When he didn't improve they also agreed he should be admitted to Intensive Care despite the scarcity of such facilities. Whilst he was in Intensive Care the nurses looking after him, who are specialists in that type of care, were fooled into thinking he was ill enough to warrant it or played along with it at the expense of other patients who might have been more in need of such care.
This was all done so Johnson could avoid public scrutiny as the crisis deepened. If it just involved taking Johnson's word for it I would view it with some scepticism but there are a lot of medical people implicated in this. Would they go along with it because they'd signed the Official Secrets Act?
Have I got this right?
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 13 Apr 16:25
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 13 Apr 17:09
Please note. Having read quite a lot of this act, I can now say that the 2 nurses who attended Boris did not sign or be bound by the act. Only British subjects or officers can be asked (forced) to sign it.
They are of course bound by patient confidentiality.
I initially thought that Boris may have been at it to avoid scrutiny. However, when he was admitted to ICU it became clear it was worse than expected. He will now milk it for as long as it takes the deaths to drop to an acceptable level.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 13 Apr 17:14
He was ill. He had 'flu of some sort. He needed treatment. So the nurses and doctors didn't have to make up much.
Patient confidentiality would normally prevent a doctor commenting on a patient's condition, so everything we heard from them must have had to be approved beforehand by Johnson and his cronies. Otherwise they would not have been allowed to say it.
The story has been controlled from the start. Johnson was in an NHS hospital. Well yes, but he would be in the private wing of that hospital. No media have questioned this openly. Johnson was treated by NHS nurses. That would of course be true since private hospitals parasite off the staff trained by the NHS. In that respect all nurses are NHS nurses.
Two of the nurses treating Johnson had been effectively nicked from the countries who trained them which is a massive story in its own right, but once again the media do not want to go ask too many questions of this sort.
At first the ventilator claim was apparently fake news from Kremlin sources. Then suddenly Johnson's life was hanging in the balance yet we heard no more about ventilators after this claim. Again, no media have investigated why these conflicting stories were appearing.
Within a day or two of being let out of ICU Johnson is apparently cured beyond doubt, for he is resting in the countryside alongside his pregnant wife. He must have been given one of the fastest all-clears in medical history given he had a 50% chance of dying a few days ago.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 13 Apr 17:32
Quote:
sammer, Mon 13 Apr 17:14
He was ill. He had 'flu of some sort. He needed treatment. So the nurses and doctors didn't have to make up much.
Patient confidentiality would normally prevent a doctor commenting on a patient's condition, so everything we heard from them must have had to be approved beforehand by Johnson and his cronies. Otherwise they would not have been allowed to say it.
The story has been controlled from the start. Johnson was in an NHS hospital. Well yes, but he would be in the private wing of that hospital. No media have questioned this openly. Johnson was treated by NHS nurses. That would of course be true since private hospitals parasite off the staff trained by the NHS. In that respect all nurses are NHS nurses.
Two of the nurses treating Johnson had been effectively nicked from the countries who trained them which is a massive story in its own right, but once again the media do not want to go ask too many questions of this sort.
At first the ventilator claim was apparently fake news from Kremlin sources. Then suddenly Johnson's life was hanging in the balance yet we heard no more about ventilators after this claim. Again, no media have investigated why these conflicting stories were appearing.
Within a day or two of being let out of ICU Johnson is apparently cured beyond doubt, for he is resting in the countryside alongside his pregnant wife. He must have been given one of the fastest all-clears in medical history given he had a 50% chance of dying a few days ago.
Aye but this is the one time the Tories are being honest though eh.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 13 Apr 17:36
Sammer, it's quite obvious from the language you use that you've made your mind up about this and nothing's going to change it. You are heavy on conjecture but very light on facts. I'm just as sceptical about the mass media as the next guy but what is the unimpeachable source you get your information from?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 13 Apr 17:50
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 13 Apr 17:09
Please note. Having read quite a lot of this act, I can now say that the 2 nurses who attended Boris did not sign or be bound by the act. Only British subjects or officers can be asked (forced) to sign it.
They are of course bound by patient confidentiality.
I initially thought that Boris may have been at it to avoid scrutiny. However, when he was admitted to ICU it became clear it was worse than expected. He will now milk it for as long as it takes the deaths to drop to an acceptable level.
Where does it specify British subjects?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 13 Apr 17:59
wee eck I think sammers personal opinion is not far of the mark tbh I have never wished the man any harm although I see him for what he is but the whole charade niffs somewhat
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Mon 13 Apr 18:01
The truth is- well we don't know.
No-one can be certain either way.
The bigger issue is though that many cant trust not only this politician but many others. That is the society that we all live in.
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 13 Apr 19:43
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ipswichpar, Mon 13 Apr 17:50
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moviescot, Mon 13 Apr 17:09
Please note. Having read quite a lot of this act, I can now say that the 2 nurses who attended Boris did not sign or be bound by the act. Only British subjects or officers can be asked (forced) to sign it.
They are of course bound by patient confidentiality.
I initially thought that Boris may have been at it to avoid scrutiny. However, when he was admitted to ICU it became clear it was worse than expected. He will now milk it for as long as it takes the deaths to drop to an acceptable level.
Where does it specify British subjects?
It specifies British officers and subjects several times. How could you bind a citizen of a foreign country to the UK's official secrets act. It's not relevant to them. They are only duty bound to keep their own country's secrets.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 13 Apr 19:49
So laws of the land dont apply to folk not born here?!?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 13 Apr 20:02
Quote:
ipswichpar, Mon 13 Apr 19:49
So laws of the land dont apply to folk not born here?!?
The act is very limited in scope.
It applies to the following and in the following circumstances. You can't make (force) a foreign to sign it but if they wanted jobs in the listed occupations they would have to in order to be employed.
The Official Secrets Act 1989 creates an offence for the unlawful disclosure of information in six specific categories by employees and former employees of the security and intelligence services, and for current and former Crown Servants and Government contractors.
I don't think nurses fall into any of those categories.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 14 Apr 07:34
So two days after being at deaths door he let's to travel with his entourage, pregnant wife to his second home....
Doesn't stink at all, most of you lot fell for it too.
I'm sure he really appreciated your sympathies.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 14 Apr 13:19
Let’s be honest BJ is hopeless doing these live broadcasts where he usually makes a fool of himself. When U.K. decided to do the daily briefs and take questions from the press his advisors must have been standing off camera with their fingers crossed and sweating profusely waiting on him putting his foot in his mouth again. He could body swerve Andrew Neil but he could not body swerve this.
They needed him off our TV screens and then suddenly he a has it. A huge sigh of relief for many.
Now I have no idea like the rest of us if he tested positive or not but there is no doubt in my mind that since then it has all been orchestrated, and exaggerated.
Gove was another one, after his abysmal performance he manages to disappear because his daughter was showing symptoms....she tested negative......but he is self isolating and passing the buck to Raab.
He is the best performer of the lot but that does not mean he is being truthful though.
Boris will be back at the podium when the numbers start decreasing in 2-3 weeks.....coincidentally, giving it laldy, taking credit where there is none due, throwing in a few British Bulldog spirit quotes and trying to give a poor impression of his hero Winston. The media will love it as will most folk in.....England, as they are easily fooled.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 14 Apr 13:21
So most folk in England are easily fooled? Some statement that
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 14 Apr 14:12
Chris Lockwood, Europe editor of the Economist whose tweet doubting the seriousness of Johnson's illness is quoted in that article, has now deleted the tweet and apologised for the offence it caused.
The plot thickens.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 14 Apr 14:19
Nearly as murky as Fauci at total power Trump's press briefing yesterday.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 14 Apr 14:59
Wee Eck is always a very hard headed commentator and picked me up yesterday for overdosing on conjecture. But by the very nature of power all governments seek to limit information and what little information they present will be tailored to their own ends. As citizens we learn the rules of this ‘game’ and have to read between the lines as best we can. Conjecture is part of that process.
What I find more troubling is the complicity of the media in going along with the version we have been offered. They have made no effort to iron out the inconsistencies in the official version, some of which are glaringly obvious. Piers Morgan spends his day haranguing what he calls ‘Covidiots’- usually citizens who want to go out and do things like sunbathing. But they would be bigger idiots were they to swallow the version of Johnson’s illness being presented. And if one of these Covidiots had recently been infected and then went to a barbecue with a pregnant girlfriend I imagine patriotic Piers would be purple in the face with indignation. But all I hear from him and his ilk is unquestioning acceptance.
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Tue 14 Apr 17:38
Some of the comments on here are appalling and disturbing. Not from Rasta as that’s too be expected since he lives in a parallel conspiracy universe.
Boris is to blame for PPE in England but not Nicola for the same thing in Scotland? Strange and hypocritical.
For me both doing their best in the circumstances. But if he is being criticised so should Nicola, on another post someone mentioned wife care worker and lack of PPE, that’s Nicola remit.
I am glad I don’t have to live with folk in here in some isolating house, your partners must all be demented with your ****. There is more to life than looking at the worst in everyone, certainly not good for anyone’s mental health.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 14 Apr 18:28
Although Health is devolved it's sometimes difficult to know where responsibility lies between Scotland and the UK. Didn't we all get a letter from Boris Johnson?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 14 Apr 18:34
Quote:
dafc, Tue 14 Apr 17:38
Some of the comments on here are appalling and disturbing. Not from Rasta as that’s too be expected since he lives in a parallel conspiracy universe.
Boris is to blame for PPE in England but not Nicola for the same thing in Scotland? Strange and hypocritical.
For me both doing their best in the circumstances. But if he is being criticised so should Nicola, on another post someone mentioned wife care worker and lack of PPE, that’s Nicola remit.
I am glad I don’t have to live with folk in here in some isolating house, your partners must all be demented with your ****. There is more to life than looking at the worst in everyone, certainly not good for anyone’s mental health.
Don't think you're in a position to be so judgemental of others on here.
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Tue 14 Apr 19:00
If the rumours are true that they are keeping ppe in England and not sharing with the other countries. Who's to blame then ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 14 Apr 19:04
Hancock has assured Freeman this is not the case apparently.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 14 Apr 19:14
Topic Originator: da_no_1 like | nolike
Date: Tue 14 Apr 13:21
So most folk in England are easily fooled? Some statement that
throwing in a few British Bulldog spirit quotes and trying to give a poor impression of his hero Winston. The media will love it as will most folk in.....England, as they are easily fooled.
With regards to the above most definitely. The English in general and more so than the Scots will always fall for a good old Rule Britannia quite or three during a crisis. Brining the nation together aka deflecting blame from the government.....works every time. So yip imho Joe public in England are more gullible than folk up here when the government are in full propaganda mode.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 14 Apr 19:15
Would you equate them to the sort of person that's a rabid Scottish nationalist?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 14 Apr 20:59
Quote:
desparado, Tue 14 Apr 19:14
Topic Originator: da_no_1 like | nolike
Date: Tue 14 Apr 13:21
So most folk in England are easily fooled? Some statement that
throwing in a few British Bulldog spirit quotes and trying to give a poor impression of his hero Winston. The media will love it as will most folk in.....England, as they are easily fooled.
With regards to the above most definitely. The English in general and more so than the Scots will always fall for a good old Rule Britannia quite or three during a crisis. Brining the nation together aka deflecting blame from the government.....works every time. So yip imho Joe public in England are more gullible than folk up here when the government are in full propaganda mode.
Sorry but that is just a load of anti-English rubbish.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 14 Apr 20:59
Quote:
ipswichpar, Tue 14 Apr 19:15
Would you equate them to the sort of person that's a rabid Scottish nationalist?
Exactly
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Tue 14 Apr 21:59
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 14 Apr 22:31
Quote:
BigJPar, Tue 14 Apr 21:59
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 14 Apr 19:04
Hancock has assured Freeman this is not the case apparently.
That's settled that then
Well, it is. Always hard when truth and facts get in the way of a good moan.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 14 Apr 23:29
ipswichpar, Tue 14 Apr 19:15
Would you equate them to the sort of person that's a rabid Scottish nationalist?
Your missing the point. « Rabid Scottish Nationalists » don’t have a media frenzy to feed off. British nationalism does. Oldest trick in the book and it works...Brexit anyone? Falklands? Iraq? Heck the media even convinced most that austerity was needed.....for the benefit of the country....lol
We are being fed rubbish about what games and movies Boris the brave was watching in hospital as hundreds are dying daily. It works as most of my English friends love him. Nobody I know in Scotland does.
Anti English....pffft.
Hancock says....really? He would wouldn’t he. It is on the companies website. So the company is lying then ?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 15 Apr 07:48
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 14 Apr 13:21
So most folk in England are easily fooled? Some statement that
Most people full stop are easily fooled, not so easy on admitting though.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 17 Apr 18:24
I haven't watched the full video as a couple of minutes had me wanting to chop my own ears off but if anyone needs a bit more evidence as to why we were one of the last to actually do anything in relation to the CV, it's just after the 9 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/baWbWpOtJnc
We had our Clark Kent protective cape on so we could look after free markets. It served us well. This is the ideology that we're up against.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Fri 17 Apr 18:28
I think this article is an attempt at damage limitation. Despite the best efforts of main stream media, Johnson’s illness and sudden recovery has raised eyebrows on the simple grounds of common sense. So the article concedes a number of things which were being claimed on our own website here at least one week ago: Johnson was put in a private room within an NHS hospital; someone with his symptoms would not normally have been put later into ICU; and that he possibly exaggerated the extent of his illness.
I said damage limitation because one contributor to the article is Luke Harding, a journalist long approved by MI6 since his days as Moscow Correspondent. When Harding was later refused a visa by Russia he screamed to the world in the name of freedom speech; his commitment to free speech was less obvious when he subsequently put the boot into Julian Assange and made unsubstantiated claims about who had visited the Ecuador Embassy in London. Harding is no friend of either freedom or the truth.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Fri 17 Apr 18:38
LPF,
I managed about five minutes of Johnson's bombast, but the reference to the virus at around 9 mins is sheer hubris. In some way the speech seems to come from a different age. All the talk is of money and markets and deals. Deals with English speaking peoples who we have a better chance of ordering around rather than Europeans. It was pathetic back in February and appears redundant now.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 17 Apr 18:43
I genuinely was going to try and watch it all but couldn't stomach it. I'd seen something on Facebook and was trying to verify it was real so I ended up skipping backwards and forward until I found it.
The rest of it is pretty much as you described.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 17 Apr 19:27
An incompétent imbecile and thats being kind
I have seen GB's next Prime Minister who has made Boris the Brave Boris the fighter and Boris the fitter than he looks especially on the tennis court
He makes Boris the Brave the Incredible Hulk look like a bumbling slavering misanthrope
Any guesses ??
Edited to add I wonder how many times in the 56 mins Towk tugged his forelock :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
Post Edited (Fri 17 Apr 19:39)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 17 Apr 22:59
If I get told not to do something as it'll impact on my health and do it anyway and then it DOES impact on my health, will I also be used as an example of bulldog spirit? It's just I think most people would consider me to be a total tit.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 18 Apr 08:27
Yeah the whole Boris was Ill and not hiding honest guv narrative is falling apart....and the usual suspects herded up against any questioning of the situation, name called....and now predictably look a bit stupid.
You fell for Fairie Tories.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 18 Apr 09:50
Rasta, your conspiracy theory rested on the premise that none of the medical staff involved in his treatment would spill the beans because they were covered by the Official Secrets Act. Somebody did their homework and concluded that medical staff would not be covered by the OSA. Maybe everyone involved was a true-blue Tory though.
Your view of politics seems to be that everything's a conspiracy and it's up to everyone to prove it isn't rather than you prove it is. You rightly question the MSM but you never tell us the unquestionable sources where you get your information.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sat 18 Apr 12:34
Governments have long known that the best conspiracies are founded upon giving a false impression rather than stating falsehoods, so it will be difficult for Rastapari or anyone else to find proof. Johnson stated he felt he was at death’s door which is impossible to disprove since that may be exactly how he did feel. No doctor supported this by the way, but if you mix in Johnson’s version of events with factual statements by doctors it helps to lend credence to his claims.
Finding absolute proof of conspiracies is therefore difficult but sometimes a lie does emerge. Here are a couple that are worth a mention. The events of what is called Bloody Sunday were originally investigated by the Widgery Report which concluded that all those shot in Londonderry in 1972 were either shooting at soldiers or throwing nail bombs. A problem immediately emerged: lead residue was found on a dead teenager’s hand but like his brother, the boxer Charlie Nash, this teenager was left handed. Why then was the lead residue discovered on his right hand? Presumably because the person who put it there did not know he was a southpaw. The Saville Report of 2010 dismissed the idea that any of those shot had been carrying weapons of any kind.
The second example is more contentious. The father of all conspiracy theories must be the JKF assassination. The murder weapon, allegedly an Italian rifle, had apparently been bought by Lee Oswald under a false name and brought into the Texas Book Depository in a long paper bag. The rifle Oswald (if indeed it was Oswald) ordered was 36 inches long and the paper bag was 38 inches long, just the right length to conceal the weapon. Except for one thing. The actual rifle sent through the post was not the exact one ordered but a very similar model which happened to be 40 inches long. The barrel would have been sticking out the top of the bag. I think someone forgot to check the rifle carefully, and that someone was not Oswald.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 18 Apr 12:51
It doesn't really matter. What really matters is that he pulled through and showed bulldog spirit. Let's get COVID-19 done! Forget about the underfunding of NHS and use of Tory donors to develop ventilators that have had no medical testing.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 18 Apr 12:59
Don't forget the foreign nurses that helped him. I'm sure that's been mentioned once or twice although obviously never for political purposes.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 19 Apr 08:08
Call me what you want, your fragile egos are desperate for bojo to have been ill I mean who wants taken for a chump.....by a chump.
Death's door to bbq in 48 hours😂😂😂😂
I guess whatever makes you feel more comfortable in these distressing times eh.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Sun 19 Apr 08:10)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 19 Apr 08:19
Wee Eck I could accuse you of being a fore lock tugging invertebrate that guns everything up without question, but let's place nice eh?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 19 Apr 09:42
Still no sources and still no whistleblowers then, Rasta, just name-calling?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 19 Apr 12:27
I somewhat agree with Rasta here. Even if the absolute gimp was seriously ill, in no way at all is it acceptable to be socialising again so soon. So he's either a lying Tw*t or he's once again ignoring very very basic guidelines to avoid spread and contamination...
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 19 Apr 12:52
Nice to see the loyal Gove getting the daggers out, lining himself up for the big job?
Doesn't bare thinking about, he is a slimy toad of a man, Scottish as well!😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 19 Apr 12:54
The very basic guidelines are very basic indeed as they say that you should self isolate for a mere seven days after having symptoms when in fact research suggests that the pathogen can live in the respiratory tract for over 5 weeks after symptoms have subsided.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 19 Apr 18:52
Anyone who really believes Boris was seriously ill is zipped up the back.
He is a born liar a charlatan, he was watching movies and playing sudoku....apparently, but he is unable to chair U.K. Gov meetings, speak to the nation .....
He was taken out from media scrutiny deliberately and the whole « Boris is at deaths door « has been engineered by Cummings and others.
He missed umpteen Cobra meetings at the beginning of this crisis....see Times report.....and has had this Donald Trump attitude from day one.
Thousands of people have died because of his (and others) incompetence.
Thousands have died due to Tory austerity .
He is hiding at his country home and never seen on TV. He will stay there until things start to improve then all of a sudden he will be back in charge.
Where is he? Why if he has recovered is he not leading from the front ?
Not that would inspire me with confidence.
Taking the p*** does not even begin to cover it.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 19 Apr 19:08
Speculation that he had a nervous breakdown!🤔🤔🤔
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 19 Apr 19:18
desparado
That sums up what many many people think
Where is he ?
He has lied to all ...aye even the Queen but he cannot handle confrontation and hides from it
I am not saying he was not ill but it has been stage managed to give him an escape route from his failings in dealing with the virus early enough when he should have been
All he was interested in was doing what Dominic told him Get Brexit Done
Does he have blood on his hands ....yes
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
Post Edited (Sun 19 Apr 19:35)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sun 19 Apr 19:25
MIA Johnson knows he will face little media scrutiny over his illness and sudden recovery. He supports the millionaires and they return the favour. DAFC.net can't have been the only website in the English speaking world to question the MSM narrative about Johnson's health, so a salvage operation was led by Luke Harding (MI6 asset) at the end of last week and reported in The Guardian.
As for evidence and sources, they are rarely available. Astonishingly, there is no evidence that Adolf Hitler organised what became known as the holocaust, nor any that he was even aware of it. We are entitled to consider previous statements, actions and behaviour and draw our own conclusions. In the case of Johnson that would allow a fair minded citizen to conclude that he was never, as claimed, seriously ill and in fact should have been capable of communicating with the public since leaving hospital.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 19 Apr 19:47
I still find it hard to understand why no whistleblower has spilled the beans. There are plenty people who have no time for Johnson and would delight in outing him.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 19 Apr 20:26
He is doing a fine job on his own wee eck
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 20 Apr 20:45
Given all the WW2 metaphors flying around from the government it was no surprise to see Ian Duncan Smith shoved in front of the cameras today. As a former army man turned politician maybe IDS should have been able to identify Johnson as the problem rather than the solution. Aristocratic buffoons like Johnson often try their hand at Sandhurst but at the first whiff of grapeshot they are relieved of their command and replaced by officers of some merit. It should be the same in politics as IDS knows from personal experience: he was so inept as a Tory leader he was booted out of office before even contesting an election.
The Tory tabloids are becoming restive. They are honing in on Johnson’s indecision. Johnson could have stuck with ‘herd immunity’ such as Sweden has done, which would have suited the business community of course, but when shown the potential casualty list Johnson lost his nerve. OK, he decided to play safe. He could then have had a lockdown accompanied with testing and tracing, but this latter was not done for reasons which remain unclear. So the tabloids are looking at Europe starting to emerge from its slumber while the UK is still under house arrest, and worse still in their eyes, nobody can accumulate wealth.
IDS is being wheeled out because nobody has any real faith in Johnson’s cabinet of brexiteers. Many of them are unknown to the public at large and the ones we have seen like Patel and Hancock might be better staying off screen.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 20 Apr 22:06
Raymie
Sunak will be the next PM he makes Boris the Brave look a blubbering imbecile
Hud oan he is a blubbering imbecile
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 20 Apr 22:12
"Aristocratic buffoons like Johnson"
Johnson isn't an aristocratic buffoon.
When he does his 'Boris' character he wants people to think that, but Alexander Johnson is just a middle-class, economically right-wing spoilt brat with questionable morals.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 21 Apr 06:56
The Sunday Times done a right good hatchit job on Boreus, worth looking out for, seems they're now wanting their man to replace our American PM
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 21 Apr 08:31
No punches pulled there G.G.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 21 Apr 08:47
I don't think she stopped there.....bare erchie is getting skelpt.
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Topic Originator: auldpar
Date: Tue 21 Apr 09:43
Johnson has discovered that being Prime Minister is not the doddle he thought it would be. When the going gets tough he runs away and hides.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 21 Apr 10:24
Perhaps Johnson's breathing difficulties were because he hadn't yet stopped laughing at Corbyn's decision to give him his general election at the end of last year. Johnson is bullet proof now for the next five years. Still can't quite figure why he voted for that election. Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with notions of controlled oppositions.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Tue 21 Apr 10:41
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 21 Apr 10:24
Perhaps Johnson's breathing difficulties were because he hadn't yet stopped laughing at Corbyn's decision to give him his general election at the end of last year. Johnson is bullet proof now for the next five years. Still can't quite figure why he voted for that election. Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with notions of controlled oppositions.
Isn't there a system to recall/boot your MP?
If so after this settles down I don't see how anyone can still favour the tories in power.
Reading today also there was no flight arranged for the PPE from Turkey. The company who was supplying the gear only asked for permission on Monday to export the PPE.
If that's nnot a red face for the government then God help you all over there.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 21 Apr 13:17
Quote:
ipswichpar, Tue 21 Apr 08:47
I don't think she stopped there.....bare erchie is getting skelpt.
I thought I'd keep it squeaky clean since this is a family forum, Ipswich and then you go and start making some thinly veiled allusions to SM.....
You're a very naughty boy, Brian. ☹
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Wed 22 Apr 00:51
Ref: sammer
Sun 19 Apr 19:25
<<< Astonishingly, there is no evidence that Adolf Hitler organised what became known as the holocaust, nor any that he was even aware of it. >>>
Well isn't that just typical - ruthless dictators are always the last to know. If only he'd known - nice guy that he was - I'm sure he would have stopped it!
Mind, there's no evidence that he's dead either (131 on Monday) and isn't orchestrating this whole covid thing with his chum, Elvis, somewhere in the Big Rock Candy Mountains...
BTW
"Evidence suggests that in the fall of 1941... Himmler and Hitler agreed in principle on the complete mass extermination of the Jews of Europe by gassing, with Hitler explicitly ordering the "annihilation of the Jews" in a speech on 12 December 1941."*
Hitler talks of Jewish 'annihilation'
(http://ww2history.com/key_moments/Holocaust/Hitler_talks_of_Jewish_annihilation)
*(source: Gerlach, Christian (2000). "The Wannsee Conference, the fate of German Jews, and Hitler's decision in principle to exterminate all European Jews". In Omar Bartov (ed.). Holocaust: Origins, Implementation, Aftermath. New York: Routledge. ISBN 0-415-15036-1.)
Well Sammer, d'you think I've provided any evidence that Hitler was aware of and was fully behind the holocaust?
Post Edited (Wed 22 Apr 01:13)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 22 Apr 02:25
I’ve never doubted that Hitler was the orchestrator of the holocaust but I was pointing out the difficulty of obtaining concrete evidence from any government intent on concealing embarrassing information. BTW Hitler’s death was established beyond doubt within a matter of weeks by the invading Red Army but, for political reasons, was not confirmed until many years later.
I don’t find claims from the likes of Himmler worth very much I’m afraid. Himmler was confident he could do a deal with the Americans and British at the expense of the Soviet Union so it was in his interests to play down his part in the holocaust. He did what every Nazi did- some of whom were not even German. He claimed that Hitler was responsible for any atrocities and that he was merely following orders. It did him little good once captured although the nature of Himmler’s mysterious death has led some to wonder if he knew stuff that was too embarrassing to the allies for him to take the stand at Nuremburg.
There’s no paper trail leading to Hitler but that does not absolve him. As I said in my original post regarding Johnson we have the right that any jury has: that is to draw reasonable inferences from the statements, previous behaviour and also actions of a person we judge.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 22 Apr 07:43
So for all the name calling wee eck you're quite lonesome in your belief here eh, just you and the local tories spooning up Cummings wee tales.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 22 Apr 08:38
I'm not 'spooning up' anything, Rasta. Unlike you I like to keep an open mind until someone points me in the direction of corroborated facts. We all remember your irrational meltdowns on the Football Forum .
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 22 Apr 09:28
Stop rising to the bait Wee Eck.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Wed 22 Apr 11:15
Quote:
sammer, Wed 22 Apr 02:25
BTW Hitler’s death was established beyond doubt within a matter of weeks by the invading Red Army but, for political reasons, was not confirmed until many years later.
In Berlin you wouldn't know the Fuhrerbunker had once stood there, and beneath you if it wasn't for the groups of tourists who are taken there by tour guides. I reckon that's probably about the right thing to do. The way in which Berlin is pretty upfront about the events that occurred to the rise of Hitler, and how wrong it was, pretty enlightening and v interesting. Is that the case in Russia with Stalin, sammer?
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Wed 22 Apr 15:05
Ref: sammer
Wed 22 Apr 02:25
Contrary to Sammer's claim <<< there is no evidence that Adolf Hitler organised what became known as the holocaust, nor any that he was even aware of it. >>>
Regarding Hitler's awareness of the holocaust:
"On 12 December 1941... Hitler made a revealing speech in Berlin to Nazi leaders ...(1)
“evidence of the consequence of Hitler’s speech... can be gleaned from the words of Hans Frank, ...one of the senior Nazis briefed by Hitler at the Reich Chancellery... [who] said that, ‘In Berlin,’ he had been told that he and his comrades should ‘liquidate the Jews….” (2)
"On 16 December 1941, Frank spelled out to his senior officials the approaching annihilation of the Jews:
"A great Jewish migration will begin in any case. But what should we do with the Jews?...We were told in Berlin, 'Why all this bother? We can do nothing with them either in Ostland or in the Reichskommissariat. So liquidate them yourselves.'...We must annihilate the Jews wherever we find them and whenever it is possible." (3)
Paper trail or not, given the above, you still maintain there is no evidence Hitler was even aware of the holocaust?
OK, so he didn’t organise it in the sense of giving out detailed instructions, but how can it be, in your words, a "reasonable inference"(4) that there is, "no evidence he was even aware of it"?(5)
sources
(1 &2) http://ww2history.com/key_moments/Holocaust/Hitler_talks_of_Jewish_annihilation
(3) https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-documentary-claims-hitler-was-very-hands-off-in-implementing-final-solution/
(4) Sammer (22 April) 02:25)
(5) Sammer (19 April, 19:25:)
Post Edited (Wed 22 Apr 15:19)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 22 Apr 17:54
I can't argue against myself. I was pointing out that there is no document signed by Hitler that establishes his direct involvement with the holocaust. In 1941 Hitler anticipated the Nazi war machine would over run the USSR and for years thereafter he would be fuhrer of Greater Germania and was confident that the planned mass extermination of Jews could be effectively parried by his historians. He had no intention of leaving his fingerprints on such a sordid business since he viewed himself as a modern day Charlemagne. His willing executioners like Hans Frank and Himmler could take what flak would arise in future.
Himmler recognised that the there would be a bit more than flak coming his way in the event of a German defeat and began to curry favour with the Allies by releasing prisoners from camps from early 1945. His cover story for the crematoria was they had been needed due to a typhus outbreak- yes, the very same story Nazi revisionists spout today.
So there is rarely evidence in the form of written documents, audio/visual recording or forensics to provide hard testimony against any government. That is the nature of government. When engaged citizens apply their wits to what evidence is available they are inevitably called 'Conspiracy Theorists' in order to discredit them, and before long the names of David Icke or Elvis Presley are chucked in as a smear. If the Nazis had made it to Moscow then the entire story of the holocaust would be little more than a footnote in a Germania school textbook and anyone claiming different would be called a 'Conspiracy Theorist.'
To return to topic, by his own standards Johnson seems to have taken a vow of silence. A garrulous rent-a- quote politician seems to have lost his voice at the very time you would have expected it to be making grave pronouncements. Since there has been no medical support for his claim he was facing the Grim Reaper I shall reserve my right as an engaged citizen to suspect his version of events was hogwash.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 22 Apr 18:41
sammer I think we have seen enough of Dominics laddie to suggest you would not want him beside you in the trenches
Lied all through his working life (and still doing so)
Missed important meetings in all his government positions
Hides from every serious question that he will be asked
Has caused unnecessary deaths in the health sector with his fixation on getting Brexit done and ignoring vital conference calls to stock PPE
He has neither the gumption or wherewithal to be PM
He is a puppet and fortunately we can see the strings
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
Post Edited (Wed 22 Apr 19:39)
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Wed 22 Apr 20:59
Ref: sammer
Wed 22 Apr 17:54
<<< I was pointing out that there is no document signed by Hitler that establishes his direct involvement with the holocaust. >>>
The problem is, if you thought you were pointing that out, you said [/posted] something else.
And I think you're confusing the meanings of 'evidence' and 'proof'.
There is evidence and I've supplied some of it.
Given that you're not a holocaust denier, I'll take the view that you slipped up.
It would have been better if you hadn't tried to fudge your way out of it with diversions and assumptions though.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 22 Apr 22:05
onandupthepars,
I never tried any fudge. You have explained the difference between evidence and proof clearly.
That is where we always are as engaged citizens. We have to make the best of it.
sammer
Post Edited (Wed 22 Apr 22:06)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Apr 07:26
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 22 Apr 08:38
I'm not 'spooning up' anything, Rasta. Unlike you I like to keep an open mind until someone points me in the direction of corroborated facts. We all remember your irrational meltdowns on the Football Forum .
Tugging your forelock and believing a consistent liar is keeping an open mind?
Between the and not understanding what a conspiracy theory is, you're having a bit of a nightmare.
Feels a bit stupid after calling someone names eh?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 23 Apr 09:56
Towk she was speaking to TVNZ
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 23 Apr 09:58
Does it her matter who she was speaking to if you believe she is lying?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 23 Apr 10:02
I rest my case.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Apr 14:32
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 23 Apr 09:25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52392934
That so called 'nurse' is at it again. How low will our nhs stoop to prop up this prime minister?
As low as they are asked to apparently.
I wonder...as a nurse who witnessed him on death's door, if a barbeque 2 days later was advisable?
She looks awfully starstruck for someone dealing with "just another patient".
Taken for mugs, absolute mugs.
I'm sure you'll be heartened by Boris going with Trump for a "coordinated" Covid19 response though.
That should lift the spirits.
You won't do it but have a wee look into what "duping delight" is.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 23 Apr 15:12
...says the Toby Jug of mugs who swallowed the tale that Cliff Richard was zooming around on roller skates assaulting people in shops.
The coconut of dumb nuts
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Thu 23 Apr 15:23
Quote:
sammer, Wed 22 Apr 17:54
. If the Nazis had made it to Moscow then the entire story of the holocaust would be little more than a footnote in a Germania school textbook and anyone claiming different would be called a 'Conspiracy Theorist.'
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Just the small matter of the western front...
Also the small matter of Stalin, do you really think he would've thrown in the towel just for losing Moscow? Absolutely not. If Germany takes Moscow we'd have sone photos of the nazi flag above the smouldering remains of the kremlin. But Germany still would've lost the war and we'd still be under absolutely no illusions that Hitler had a massive part in the holocaust.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 23 Apr 17:01
There wasn't much happening on the western front until 1944.
Stalin was prepared to abandon Moscow and had trains loaded with government papers waiting at a railway station before he made a last minute change of mind. I think Russia was too vast to be completely controlled by Nazi Germany but Stalin, or maybe someone who replaced him after a retreat, might have had to sign over large parts of their western territory to Hitler.
Hitler anticipated that, as a victorious leader of pan Germania, history would treat him well. His methods in removing Jews from European soil and pacifying the Slavs would have been little examined in the event of victory. Even though that victory was an illusion after the USSR and the USA joined forces with Great Britain, there still remained the chance of a peace settlement if Hitler was removed, as was attempted in July 1944. Moves were made to bulldoze the extermination camps and conceal what had been done in order to make any future negotiations more productive.
Even after Hitler's death in the bunker, Himmler believed he could be useful to the UK and the USA when they turned their weapons on the Red Army. He'd covered up the death camps as best he could and presumably felt that the holocaust would be viewed as a minor detail in the grander scheme of things. Himmler called that wrong of course, but his daughter who died a few back maintained he did a great job for Germany. She worked for West Germany's equivalent of MI5 under an assumed name (how is that possible?) and remained a vocal, diehard Nazi throughout.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 23 Apr 17:29
Hitler was a savvy operator and he'd often just let it vaguely be known what his desires and preferences would be. He'd then wait while his cohorts and underlings would scurry around and scheme against each other to see who could best implement what they'd imagine would best please their fuher and thus empower their own positions. Quite an interesting study in power dynamics.
Often these tyrants would keep their signatures off legal papers. One such that springs to mind is the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Of course it was neither of the two foreign secretaries who decided on the ghastly content of the treaty rather it was Hitler and Stalin and thus the fate of Poland and the Baltic States was sealed along with ten of thousands of Polish intelligentsia who were marched into the dark depth of Katyn Forest and promptly murdered by the Soviets.
Of course one paper that Hitler did put his name to was the telegram he sent to Stalin wishing him a happy 60th birthday.
This was of course when the Nazis and Soviets were allies.
Mind you all the leaders and nations of that time had their moments of shame.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
Post Edited (Thu 23 Apr 18:03)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 23 Apr 19:58
Quote :-
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks like | nolike
Date: Thu 23 Apr 09:58
Does it her matter who she was speaking to if you believe she is lying?
Towk please accept my apology in advance but I am not grasping your post
Put it down to auld age :)
Are you saying the NHS set this interview up ?
You don't believe she is a nurse ?
And you believe she is lying ?
No hidden agenda here Towk just me trying to grasp the intent of your post
Take care
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 23 Apr 20:27
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 23 Apr 09:25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52392934
That so called 'nurse' is at it again. How low will our nhs stoop to prop up this prime minister?
TOWK, fwiw, I'd take that interview with a pinch of salt. I'm not saying the nurse is lying or trying to cover up anything, but given the provocative nature of some of the questions she was asked, I'd say she played safe and gave the answers which would not arouse any controversy. Of course these answers may be 100% accurate, but would you really expect her to say that they treated the PM any differently to any other patient, even if they did?
It's only natural to play things down, otherwise you're going to raise hackles and attract heavy criticism from certain sections of the public and the media. Personally. I find it difficult to believe that the PM would be treated exactly the same as Joe Public, same as I would if it was a member of the Royal family. It would go against the grain of even the most honest and impartial NHS employee. It's human nature.
Some years ago, the Queen was supposed to spend a night at the King Malcolm Hotel. £10,000 was spent on upgrading the bathroom in the Royal Suite, including a heated ring with a velvet cover, for the WC. Why?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 23 Apr 21:07
To keep her erse warm G.G. :)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 23 Apr 21:16
^^^^^😊😊😊
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 23 Apr 21:17
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 23 Apr 21:07
To keep her erse warm G.G. :)
Indeed, but would the King Malcolm have gone to such trouble for any of us common folk?
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others", eh?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 23 Apr 21:17
Buspass and GG. I personally absolutely don't believe she is lying in the broad strokes of what she said. Like GG says it would only be human nature to be even more meticulous in the care she gave to the prime minister than to the average patient though I'm not for a second suggesting she wouldn't give anything less than excellent attention to any of her patients.
No what I was really getting at was this. If Johnson really wasn't ill enough to be in an intensive care bed why would this nurse say anything at all? Wouldn't she feel some sort of shame at helping to facilitate this ruse? As an experienced icu nurse I'm sure she knows the signs of when someone is genuinely seriously unwell. So either Johnson was in genuine need of an icu bed or this nurse is lying and is directly part of a conspiracy. I know what my money is on.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 25 Apr 08:25
Quote:
Mario, Thu 23 Apr 15:12
...says the Toby Jug of mugs who swallowed the tale that Cliff Richard was zooming around on roller skates assaulting people in shops.
The coconut of dumb nuts
You seem triggered?
Tam not treating you right?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 25 Apr 09:21
The man who is running our Country:- Dominic
Boris Johnson's chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, has attended meetings of the scientific body advising the government on the coronavirus outbreak.
However, Downing Street denied a report in the Guardian that Mr Cummings was a member of the independent Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage).
The committee, whose membership has not been made public, is helping to shape the UK's response to the pandemic.
Labour said Mr Cummings' attendance raised "significant questions".
The Guardian reported that Mr Cummings and a data scientist who worked with him on the Vote Leave campaign during the Brexit referendum, Ben Warner, were among 23 people at a Sage meeting on 23 March.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 25 Apr 10:12
Not convinced Cummings is running the country but he is influencing. Is any political leader any different? They all have advisors.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 25 Apr 10:16
Well he certainly isn't running the show up here. That's Sturgeon and an absolutely top notch job she is doing of it.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 25 Apr 10:45
Quote:
<<The One Who Knocks, Thu 23 Apr 09:25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52392934
That so called 'nurse' is at it again. How low will our nhs stoop to prop up this prime minister?
Rastapar
As low as they are asked to apparently.
I wonder...as a nurse who witnessed him on death's door, if a barbeque 2 days later was advisable?
She looks awfully starstruck for someone dealing with "just another patient".
Taken for mugs, absolute mugs.
I'm sure you'll be heartened by Boris going with Trump for a "coordinated" Covid19 response though.
That should lift the spirits.
You won't do it but have a wee look into what "duping delight" is.>>
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Are you guys for real?
So-called "nurse"???
This was a professional nurse doing her job and playing with a very straight bat in a press interview.
Taken for mugs?
What sort of twisted fantasy world do you live in that you read into that anything other than a straight interview to camera? Have you ever done a TV interview? I thought she handled it pretty well.
Boris was very sick. He recovered thanks to good professional care. There really is nothing more to read into it.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 25 Apr 10:54
Stop calling him Boris - he's not your mate, he's a low rent Trump tribute act who doesn't even know how many kids he has.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Apr 11:00
What is sad, and quite worrying, is the way so many people are prepared to jump on the 'fake news' bandwagon if a story isn't interpreted in a way that suits them. Even folk who ridicule Trump and his denials of what he calls 'fake news' are happy to use the same tactics when they consider it appropriate.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 25 Apr 11:06
Oz Par, my apologies. I failed in my attempt at irony and sarcasm (it really is the lowest for of wit). I was trying to get across the absurdity of those who think that Johnson wasn't ill enough to be in an icu bed and the number of dedicated proud heath service professionals who would need to sell themselves out for such a circumstance to happen.
Wee Eck, totally sopt on.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 25 Apr 11:07
Trump's real game isn't to undermine the stories he calls fake, it is to muddy the waters enough so that folk can't tell who to believe, making his lies seem more plausible. It's straight from the Putin playbook.
That's why it's important to remember that fake news does exist, it always has, so don't lump everyone questioning the veracity of news in with Trump because a great portion of news is a steaming pile of bull and folk should be allowed to say so without knee jerk reactions questioning their sanity.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 25 Apr 11:14
Good post Wotsit.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 25 Apr 11:28
No worries TOWK. I apologise for missing the ironic tone.
:)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 25 Apr 11:39
<<Stop calling him Boris - he's not your mate...>>
What the hell are you on about? It has been common practice to call PMs by their first name since WW2. For example, Winnie, Harold, Maggie...
Boris remains Boris.
:)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 25 Apr 11:51
Wilson wasn't commonly called by his first name to my memory, and Blair only got it when he was shiny and new, although even then it was often done slightly mockingly (the same with Cameron and his 'call me Dave') with stuff like Teflon Tony.
It's a trick used by the media to make their pet politician seem friendly and relatable, or to soften the public image of somebody with divisive policies.
Left wing politicians are rarely afforded this privilege in the UK for some reason.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 25 Apr 11:55
Hmm no sure about that Oz Par. Yeah some Prime Ministers would be referred to by their first name in some circumstances in some quarters but would usually be named by their surname. Boris Johnson is more often than not referred to as just Boris. Now it could be that Johnson orchestrated this so as to subconsciously present himself as being more jovial and friendly. However I think it started because when Johnson first rose to prominence and was often courting controversy another Johnson was of higher profile in politics. Alan Johnson was of course either Home, Education or Health minister during the Blair/Brown governments.
Reminds me of the first gulf War in the 90s. Leaders would often refer to Saddam Hussein as simply Saddam. I assumed, maybe wrongly, that they didn't refer to him as Hussein because Jordan also had a ruler with the same surname.
Eta, to be fair Wotsit I don't think it afforded to many politicians either left or right wing. I think it depends on who it is that is using their name and how they feel about the person in question. I support and like Nicola Sturgeon but try to refrain from called her Nicola and have no time for Boris Johnson and always try my best to simply call him Johnson.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
Post Edited (Sat 25 Apr 12:03)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Apr 12:32
''...That's why it's important to remember that fake news does exist, it always has, so don't lump everyone questioning the veracity of news in with Trump because a great portion of news is a steaming pile of bull and folk should be allowed to say so without knee jerk reactions questioning their sanity.''
Of course fake news exists but that doesn't mean every story is fake news. If Johnson wasn't seriously ill it would have required the collusion of many medical people with possibly no political affiliations or even anti-Conservative feelings to go along with it. It just didn't seem feasible but that didn't stop quite a few posters interpreting the 'facts' the way they wanted to.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 25 Apr 14:40
Can't recall anyone really calling the PM by their first name.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 25 Apr 15:08
"The Nurse " suddenly appeared back in New Zealand for her interview along with her parents chipping in!
Wasn't dedicated enough to stay on and assist the NHS in the fight against CV?
Patient confidentiality?
Meanwhile the other nurse has disappeared!🤔🤔🤔
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 25 Apr 15:26
Is she really back in New Zealand?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Apr 15:58
From Sky News -
''Asked why she had chosen not to return home in the face of the pandemic, despite having been on holiday in New Zealand as the outbreak began sweeping the globe in February, she said: "I have a sense of duty, I have lived here for 10 years and I have worked in NHS for that amount of time and I'm one of the Sisters on the unit, a leader on the unit.
"I just feel a real sense of duty over here helping fight this crisis and it wasn't an option not to come back." ''
Where is the evidence she's back in NZ? She actually cut short a break in NZ to return to her job in London to help deal with the crisis there. Isn't it possible NZ TV can interview her in London.? The Portuguese nurse has been interviewed too.
This is actually getting quite sick the way people question other people's professionalism and honesty with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 25 Apr 15:59
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 25 Apr 11:55
Reminds me of the first gulf War in the 90s. Leaders would often refer to Saddam Hussein as simply Saddam. I assumed, maybe wrongly, that they didn't refer to him as Hussein because Jordan also had a ruler with the same surname.
I'm fairly certain that in some cultures, including Iraq, people write their surname first, so Saddam would have been his surname. Hussein is quite a common first name among Muslims, I believe.
Eta. The Italian, Pietro Dorando, "won" the Marathon at the 1908 London Olympics, but was later disqualified because a couple of stewards helped him to his feet, some 60 m from the tape. On Wikipedia, he appears as Dorando Pietri. I'm fairly sure that was because because he wrote his surname first, a common practice in Italy at thevtime.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Sat 25 Apr 16:11)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 25 Apr 16:15
Thanks GG. I do admit I wasn't entirely convinced about my theory and thought there could well have been some cultural factor I wasn't aware of.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 25 Apr 16:31
I work with two Muslim guys. One goes by his first name, the other by his surname. Reason being that the second one has an incredibly common first name so it's easier for him to be called by his surname. A Muslim guy I was at school with used his middle name for the same reason.
Suppose we should remember that "Boris" isn't his first name. His first name is Alexander.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 25 Apr 16:55
But wee would have to call him Big Eck as we already have a wee eck :)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 25 Apr 17:06
Quote:
jake89, Sat 25 Apr 16:31
I work with two Muslim guys. One goes by his first name, the other by his surname. Reason being that the second one has an incredibly common first name so it's easier for him to be called by his surname. A Muslim guy I was at school with used his middle name for the same reason.
Suppose we should remember that "Boris" isn't his first name. His first name is Alexander.
I suppose there aren't too many prominent males called Boris in the UK, so using that instead of his very common adopted English surname (his Turkish granddad's surname was Kemal) helps to eliminate any potential misunderstanding. Still, it makes him out to be a jolly, avuncular guy when he's anything but. He's got some nasty folk around him, people he wouldn't want anywhere near him if he was Mr Nice Guy.
On a side note, why doesn't he call himself Alexander Kemal? Is he ashamed of his Turkish roots? That'll be the same Turkey that - in the run up to Brexit - he told us was joining the EU "imminently " and that after that the UK would be flooded by terrorists and we would be powerless to stop them. The truth is that many potential terrorists are already here - and hold UK passports. Furthermore, there's hee haw chance of Turkey getting into EU.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sat 25 Apr 22:36
His great great granny changed the name long before he was born. And he is not ashamed of his roots, he took part in a “Who do think you are” programme to discover his family background.
Google before gobbing...
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 26 Apr 06:11
<<Still, it makes him out to be a jolly, avuncular guy when he's anything but. >>
I don't deny that Boris has surrounded himself with some loons but in his defence, he does have a witty and wicked and very often self-deprecating sense of humour.
Back in the days when he was editor of The Spectator, he wrote an article that had me crying with laughter. It was so good that I still remember it a quarter of a century on.
In it, he described how while working late one night in his office he clicked on some porn. Just then the office cleaner arrived with a hoover. As she approached his desk, he clicked the screen to close the website. But that was back in the days of pop-ups, and as ever more frantically he tried to shut down the site, so more and more pictures of naked ladies appeared before him...
His description of his mounting panic and embarrassment was one of the funniest bits of writing I have ever read.
Boris has his faults for sure, but most certainly he has an acute sense of humour.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 26 Apr 06:21
Reminds me of a time not long after I had started work.
I popped around to sit with my mates and was having a chat in front of their network monitoring test PC which was patched into a terminal in a telephone exchange. The screen had gone to sleep but the PC was on.
I nudged the mouse accidentally and the screen sprang into life just as our unit head came into their cubicle.
Unfortunately, one of the folk in the exchange was using the monitored terminal to surf for porn. It was back in the days of really slow internet connection.
It felt like the end of my career as some lady did a slow reveal with legs akimbo and my unit head asked me what I was doing....
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 26 Apr 06:40
Quote:
Mario, Sat 25 Apr 22:36
His great great granny changed the name long before he was born. And he is not ashamed of his roots, he took part in a “Who do think you are” programme to discover his family background.
Google before gobbing...
I didn't say he was ashamed of his roots, Mario, I posed the question. Maybe you were just a bit quick to jump in there?
There are many people who have changed their surnames after settling in a new country, often with good reason, usually to become accepted or avoid discrimination. I can thoroughly recommend a book by Robert Winder called "Bloody Foreigners - The History of Immigration to Britain". It's absolutely brilliant, well researched, wonderfully ironic and ultimately heart warming.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 26 Apr 08:04
Not going to be any Dyson or JCB ventilators now....another whopper.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 27 Apr 18:57
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 26 Apr 08:04
Not going to be any Dyson or JCB ventilators now....another whopper.
Not really. They are not required. Thankfully we have not got to the point where these extra ventilators are required.
Stocks have increased to 10,900 and now the number of firms working on new ventilators is to be wound down because many of the devices already available remain unused. Clinicians have credited lockdown measures and the increased use of less invasive treatment techniques for lowering demand.
The Cabinet Office was expected to inform the teams working on them by letter and telephone as soon as Monday evening, days after Dyson was told its CoVent prototype was not needed.
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Topic Originator: BoAPar
Date: Tue 28 Apr 00:31
"The Nurse " suddenly appeared back in New Zealand for her interview along with her parents chipping in!"
No she didn't. She's very much still in London.
Her parents were interviewed standing in their garden in NZ. A couple of nights later, she was interviewed in London (next to the Thames) by TVNZ's UK correspondent.
Suddenly reappearing in NZ is completely unrealistic given the dearth of flights at present, and the need to go into 2 weeks enforced quarantine in before she could see her parents.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 28 Apr 02:12
Spot on BoAPar. The negativity on here can be mind-numbing.
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Topic Originator: Grant
Date: Wed 29 Apr 03:22
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 26 Apr 06:40
Quote:
Mario, Sat 25 Apr 22:36
His great great granny changed the name long before he was born. And he is not ashamed of his roots, he took part in a “Who do think you are” programme to discover his family background.
Google before gobbing...
I didn't say he was ashamed of his roots, Mario, I posed the question. Maybe you were just a bit quick to jump in there?
There are many people who have changed their surnames after settling in a new country, often with good reason, usually to become accepted or avoid discrimination.
Indeed, a fairly well known family had the surname Saxe-Coburg and Gotha up until a hundred years or so ago.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 29 Apr 03:58
If I remember rightly, "Who do you think you are?" discovered that Boris' parents sold the family silver to fund a family trip to Australia in the sixties or seventies. It turned out that most of the silver had been gifted to his ancestors by a king and would today literally be worth a fortune.
:)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 29 Apr 10:07
Won't be at PMQ as his fiance has given birth.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 29 Apr 10:52
Congratulations to our fantastic PM!
He now has as many children as I have toilet rolls in my store cupboard.
I think I have 6 or 7, but maybe more, and I can't really be sure.
I love all of my toilet rolls equally, though. And I am very hands-on with them.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 29 Apr 12:50
He'll be on paternity leave now, he needs the rest!🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 29 Apr 20:27
That'll be him gone again....
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 29 Apr 22:14
It's convenient timing for him to say the least - a nice reason to duck under the radar whilst it becomes abundantly clear that the UK's handling of the coronavirus pandemic is second only to the USA in terms of ineptitude. And even that's debatable.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 30 Apr 07:46
And before any of our simpering Fairie Tory believers pipe in....oh yes he would exploit his own child and missus....he's at least a narcissist more like sociopath.
In short an utter lying scumbag of a man.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: helensburghpar
Date: Thu 30 Apr 10:34
Think you're being kind with the above Rasta. He's not as nice as that.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 30 Apr 13:12
I don't often agree with you Rasta. I definitely do with the above. I don't know if Boris has exploited his partner and child to protect his own image, but he definitely has it in him to do so. He's the worst PM we've ever had (in my lifetime), and, I hope, the worst we will ever have.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 30 Apr 15:08
It had been reported that the baby was due early summer but now I’ve not seen anything about it being early - wouldn’t put it passed him to get the bairn induced so he can stay in hiding a bit longer.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 30 Apr 15:31
No doctor or midwife would ever induce a birth if it wasn't a good idea.
If this baby arrived on time then this suggests it was one of the first thing he ticked off his (or Dominic's) to-do list once he won the Tory leadership on July 23rd.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 30 Apr 16:14
You're right - they wouldn't. However there are things that don't suck up. It was announced on 29th Feb that Carrie was pregnant due 'early summer', and the baby appears on 29th Apr.
That means they either announced late, which is conceivable, although there was no media speculation at all that Carrie was pregnant, which doesn't really stack up, because by 29th Feb she'd have been 7 months pregnant. For a public figure, that's a long time to hide a bump (and not drink at social functions etc..)
The other possibility is that the baby has been born very prematurely - and BoJo isn't giving off the air of man who has a very premature baby.
This doesn't really add up.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 30 Apr 18:57
There will be a mix of political and personal reasons for announcing the pregnancy as late as possible. Johnson probably didn't want the news to jeapordise either of his divorces (one with his wife and the other with Europe).
I suspect the baby has arrived no more than a couple of weeks early, which is usually no problem. The 'early summer' announcement was probably made to keep the Daily Mail away until it was too late. If they expected a June birth they wouldn't start their harassment campaign until May and it would be too late.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 30 Apr 19:48
Hope we see more of the boy than we did of the dog
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 30 Apr 20:25
The wee dog they got from the rescue aaaaaaaaaargh Was headline news ye ken
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 30 Apr 20:39
Well, of course, the baby was announced the same day Philip Rutnam resigned. No doubt that the timing of the baby announcements coincides with events thar Boris would rather weren’t the number 1 headline.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 30 Apr 22:12
Ah, I didn't know that about Rutnam. Cummings must have told Johnson that it was a good idea to announce it then.
I guess the dog was also a distraction from the Brexit negotiations. Or maybe it was a test to see if he could be trusted to look after something before the baby arrived.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 30 Apr 22:25
It's just so shady that he appears to be using this baby to manipulate the media - yet won't even acknowledge the existence of some of his other children. The man is a scumbag.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 1 May 07:50
Even the Borisites on here have gone quiet...
Hurts being taken in by a liar.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 1 May 12:13
>We have so far succeeded in the first and most important task we set ourselves as a nation to avoid the tragedy that engulfed other parts of the world"<
A quote from Boris’ press conference yesterday, neither wonder we are in the state we are in with this clown in charge.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 1 May 16:01
Highest deaths per capita in the world (excluding China and Russia as who knows with them) and that is still only including those who have died in English hospitals as they won't count care home deaths etc in that figure. Recent Yougov poll about voting intentions a few days ago still only had Labour with a 2 point gain on the Tories. I hate this country sometimes
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Fri 1 May 16:48
The UK has the fourth highest death per capita rate, not the highest. TOWK posted a link on the thread about Sweden and Singapore if you are interested.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 1 May 17:15
Belgium higher also. Never hear a thing about them. Regardless UK will end up one of the highest.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 1 May 22:32
The longer they let people die the longer the lockdown...the more severe austerity to pay for it all has to last...and it's all the jobless scroungers fault.
Rinse and repeat.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 2 May 07:20
Anyone who die in England at home or in a care home who haven't had a test for the disease are omitted from the total.
Post Edited (Sat 02 May 07:23)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 2 May 08:03
The weekly figures from England use the same criteria for calculating the corona virus death toll as is used up here in Scotland. That criteria being if covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate then it is included in the toll.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 2 May 08:11
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 2 May 08:03
The weekly figures from England use the same criteria for calculating the corona virus death toll as is used up here in Scotland. That criteria being if covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate then it is included in the toll.
Are you forgetting that for a few weeks nobody died of anything else?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 2 May 08:26
Sorry I don't know what you mean by that.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 2 May 08:27
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 2 May 08:03
The weekly figures from England use the same criteria for calculating the corona virus death toll as is used up here in Scotland. That criteria being if covid-19 is mentioned on the death certificate then it is included in the toll.
Any chance of a link to confirm that please
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 2 May 08:30
Sure, I'll copy the text in question as there is a bit to wade through.
"In addition to these figures, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) publishes weekly counts of deaths in which COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. This publication is issued every Tuesday, starting on 31 March 2020. "
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 2 May 08:58
So anyway back to romanticising the man who leaves his cancer stricken wife for a young office bird to have yet another child we'll largely pay for....
Dad of the year?
The ever compliant BBC really are dining at the booty this morning.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 2 May 19:02
Nice to see Boris and the Bidey in naming their Laddie after the Doctors who saved Boris's life
Welcome to the world
Seuss, Holiday, doolittle, strange love, Jekyll Johnson
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sat 2 May 23:23
Now he's saying that he was on deaths door and that the doctors were preparing to announce his death, until they pumped gallons of oxygen into him. Yet, he was never on a ventilator. Something ain't adding up.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 3 May 00:36
He was on a cpap so he would of had oxygen supplied. Had he been on a ventilator he would of had his throat cut open and a pipe inserted down into his windpipe.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 3 May 00:42
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 3 May 00:36
He was on a cpap so he would of had oxygen supplied. Had he been on a ventilator he would of had his throat cut open and a pipe inserted down into his windpipe.
Ah okay. Cheers for explaining that mate.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 3 May 00:48
I actually only found that out a couple of weeks ago when they were interviewing some guy who had recovered from covid and had been on a ventilator. I had no idea that going on a ventilator was so invasive.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 3 May 00:56
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 3 May 00:48
I actually only found that out a couple of weeks ago when they were interviewing some guy who had recovered from covid and had been on a ventilator. I had no idea that going on a ventilator was so invasive.
I did. I was on one, when I went for a reconstruction op on my mouth. Was on a tracheostomy after the op, for a fortnight. Horrific. My throat took months to recover from the damage done by being ventilated.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 3 May 00:59
My sympathies. It really does look quite an ordeal to be on one.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 3 May 01:00
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 3 May 00:59
My sympathies. It really does look quite an ordeal to be on one.
Thanks mate. It keeps you alive, so I suppose, the discomfort is worth it.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 3 May 06:41
Oh dear, the usual falling for Johnson's "I'm a hero guv" nonsense...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 3 May 07:54
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 3 May 06:41
Oh dear, the usual falling for Johnson's "I'm a hero guv" nonsense...
Oh dear which Sunday rag should we give the story to to reach the gullible masses, anyone care to guess?
Possibly 40,000+ dead and I bet this is front page news. Strange times we live in when the primary cause of the deaths is treated like a hero.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 3 May 09:38
Definitely 40k dead at this point. Tory scumbags
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 3 May 12:26
Cheers for that, sorted!
Post Edited (Sun 03 May 12:31)
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 3 May 14:06
I assume this is more from the wonderful Cummings.
You were ill, but if you lay it on thick and state some things that can't be disproven then we can get you up a bit more in the polls.
Was it 50/50 for putting him on a ventilator? Who knows? Is a doctor going to come out and say "Actually no, it was 20/80 or 10/90". No. The docs have better things to do with their time.
Contingency plans were made in the event of his death. When a head of government is hospitalised with a potentially lethal infection it would be completely negligent to not start making plans.
This is such a non-story. I'm disappointed it is getting so much media coverage, but I guess this is the new normal.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 3 May 15:12
^^^^^^ Aaaaaargh nails it for me. ^^^^^^^
I don't regard myself as completely cynical, but neither am I totally gullible.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 3 May 16:27
Spot on aaaaaaaaaargh
I think most people I know have some sort of contingency plan in the event of their death to take all the strain from the loved ones left behind
Maybe he was a 50/50 life or death we will never know
The fact is that Johnson was, is and always will be a serial liar makes me think he was not
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Topic Originator: Perkins
Date: Sun 3 May 19:17
"Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 2 May 08:58
So anyway back to romanticising the man who leaves his cancer stricken wife..."
They separated in 2018 and she was diagnosed in 2019
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Topic Originator: Boomer
Date: Sun 3 May 21:52
Thank you Perkins for something factual rather than some deluded crap from certain twisted and bitter posters.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 4 May 11:37
It's also factual that he has a history of infidelity, lies, racism and homophobia, so you know, even if his wife wasn't cancer stricken whilst he was cheating on her, I don't think that makes him any more palatable as an individual, or more suitable to be Prime Minister.
Alas, there are millions of people in the UK who disagree with me.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 4 May 11:39
Exactly Bandy. Plenty of things you can nail him on without inventing things.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Perkins
Date: Mon 4 May 11:59
"Topic Originator: Bandy |
Date: Mon 4 May 11:37
It's also factual that he has a history of infidelity, lies, racism and homophobia, so you know, even if his wife wasn't cancer stricken whilst he was cheating on her, I don't think that makes him any more palatable as an individual, or more suitable to be Prime Minister."
Absolutely agree. I didn't give an opinion, was just pointing out an inaccuracy.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 4 May 12:26
A totally agree with the last few posts.
I wish people would understand that when they spread lies (even negative ones) about someone it can actually help them.
Johnson is probably the most incompetent and unqualified person we have had as PM in living memory and there are hundreds of facts to use against him. Every lie that is spread just muddies the water about what is true and what isn't and allows his supporters to call out everything else as possibly false.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 4 May 12:58
If there weren't any lies and misinformation about, they would probably just spread them themselves and then discredit them and folk would still fall for it.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 4 May 15:45
My apologies for that one, actually got it from a Daily Mail column online....
Just goes to show you eh.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Mon 4 May 16:44
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 04 May 15:45
My apologies for that one, actually got it from a Daily Mail column online....
Just goes to show you eh.
The daily fail? You feeling ok chap?
All jokes aside I genuinely hope you keeping well and staying safe
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 4 May 18:20
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 4 May 15:45
My apologies for that one, actually got it from a Daily Mail column online....
Just goes to show you eh.
It was probably written by the journalist that Blojo tried to have damage done to
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 4 May 21:51
Quote:
back oh the net, Mon 4 May 16:44
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 04 May 15:45
My apologies for that one, actually got it from a Daily Mail column online....
Just goes to show you eh.
The daily fail? You feeling ok chap?
All jokes aside I genuinely hope you keeping well and staying safe
It's a rag that appeals to many here...ah well.
I'm very well thank you, very kind and right back at you and yours ✌✊
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 4 May 23:16
The best thing about the Daily Mail used to be the comments. It was like something from a comedy sketch. I can't view it anymore as I used to run adblock on it. Now refuse access unless you turn it off.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Tue 5 May 06:11
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 04 May 21:51
Quote:
back oh the net, Mon 4 May 16:44
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 04 May 15:45
My apologies for that one, actually got it from a Daily Mail column online....
Just goes to show you eh.
The daily fail? You feeling ok chap?
All jokes aside I genuinely hope you keeping well and staying safe
It's a rag that appeals to many here...ah well.
I'm very well thank you, very kind and right back at you and yours ✌✊
aye doing not to shabby here still working away doing my bit to keep the country fed
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 7 May 09:30
Wow, just seen him blubbering away about how the UK is a beacon of success in the fight against Coronavirus...do people still fall for that?
Maybe a .net Tory coule illuminate, are you guys cringing or swelling with pride?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 7 May 11:07
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't remember anyone on here claiming to be a fan of Boris Johnson.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 7 May 13:47
Perkins loves both blojo and the tories...
Post Edited (Thu 07 May 13:48)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 7 May 17:24
Paraphrasing:-
Starmer - we now have the highest death toll in Europe
Johnson - you can't really compare as all countries report differently
Starmer - well your medical experts have been putting up slides comparing us to
the rest of the EU for weeks now.
CHECKMATE !!
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 7 May 17:49
Yes, but look over there - a man who isn't me having an affair with a younger woman!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 7 May 18:01
I like the way Starmer is going about his business ...He will be a test for Johnsons obvious failings and there are many
It will be interesting to see what happens when the full compliment of millionaire tax cheats.. expenses cheats ..bully's ..drunks..misanthropes..quislings..et al, resume their seats in the circus ring
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
Post Edited (Thu 07 May 18:03)
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 7 May 20:29
Starmer v Cummings is going to be interesting over the coming months or years.
I think Starmer will have an advantage since he doesn't need to train a parrot to talk on his behalf.
He isn't the easy target that Corbyn was. Cummings could just train people to throw the occasional Hamas, Sinn Fein, or 1970s into the debate to shut it down. He's going to have to do a lot of muck-raking to get the upper hand now.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 7 May 23:51
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Thu 7 May 20:29
Starmer v Cummings is going to be interesting over the coming months or years.
I think Starmer will have an advantage since he doesn't need to train a parrot to talk on his behalf.
He isn't the easy target that Corbyn was. Cummings could just train people to throw the occasional Hamas, Sinn Fein, or 1970s into the debate to shut it down. He's going to have to do a lot of muck-raking to get the upper hand now.
It's a long shot but not below the Tories to go for the Saville link...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 7 May 23:58
Starmer is a very clever bloke and he should have no problem holding his own against anyone in the cabinet when it comes to head to head battles but he's taking Labour back towards Blairite policies.
On the one hand that means he might get some support from the Tory press if they get hacked off with the current Government but it's not where I want to see Labour return to.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 8 May 07:56
He has got a very fine line to tread between doing the right thing and making the party electable. It will be a long haul, that's for sure.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 May 08:19
The media will decide.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 May 08:28
Will the media determine your opinion on it Jake?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 8 May 09:19
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 8 May 08:28
Will the media determine your opinion on it Jake?
Ate you honestly inferring the media don't influence voters?
You already had that vaccine?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 8 May 11:21
Quote:
jake89, Fri 8 May 08:19
The media will decide.
He knows that hence the move back to Blair.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 May 11:48
Of course the media will have influence but that only seems to be a problem when the side we wants to win doesn't win. Have the snp been steamrollerimg the opposition because the media are influencing the electorate? Are Scottish Labour in such a mess because of the media or is it because of the poor performance of their leadership up here? I suspect if, like me you are an snp supporter, you'll put it down to the latter.
While I don't believe the guff about the BBC being anti snp I certainly don't see large swathes of the media being all that supportive of the snp yet they'll almost certainly continue to be the dominant force in Scottish politics for the foreseeable. Of course maybe I just don't see the media bias towards the snp because if its there it aligns with my own views.
I guess my point is, which I accept I'm not illustrating all that well, is that we all tend to think that the media influences other people but that we ourselves are immune. It's the other lot that are the suckers, not me.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 8 May 13:54
The English media's attitude towards Scottish politics has had an impact on the SNP's rise but Margaret Thatcher destroying the Tory vote then Tony Blair destroying the Labour vote in their dogged pursuit of Middle england was the biggest factor.
The Scottish Media doesn't have a fraction of the power of the English media, in part because the majority of the Scottish media generally follows a UK agenda with a tartan ribbon tied round it. As Scotland begins to develop an independent political voice we are starting to see more Scottish focused titles, independent of the major UK media conglomerates, but these too often have their agenda dictated by the goings on at Westminster.
But guess who had the press firmly on their side during their tenures at Downing Street? All of them, that's who. No PM in my lifetime has won an election without the backing of one of the major media empires and guess how they all got that backing? By making promises to the owners of the papers to act in a way which is most beneficial to the owners of those papers.
“Four hostile newspapers are more to be feared than a thousand bayonets..”
― Napoleon Bonaparte
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 8 May 14:22
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 8 May 11:48
Of course the media will have influence but that only seems to be a problem when the side we wants to win doesn't win. Have the snp been steamrollerimg the opposition because the media are influencing the electorate? Are Scottish Labour in such a mess because of the media or is it because of the poor performance of their leadership up here? I suspect if, like me you are an snp supporter, you'll put it down to the latter.
While I don't believe the guff about the BBC being anti snp I certainly don't see large swathes of the media being all that supportive of the snp yet they'll almost certainly continue to be the dominant force in Scottish politics for the foreseeable. Of course maybe I just don't see the media bias towards the snp because if its there it aligns with my own views.
I guess my point is, which I accept I'm not illustrating all that well, is that we all tend to think that the media influences other people but that we ourselves are immune. It's the other lot that are the suckers, not me.
Did I read that correctly, are you an SNP voter / supporter TOWK?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 May 14:41
Indeed. Just that I'm not rabidly so and try to look at things objectively.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Fri 8 May 16:44
I'm with you TOWK some questionable policies and over promoted personalities in the party these days especially locally.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 May 18:58
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 8 May 08:28
Will the media determine your opinion on it Jake?
They'll no doubt influence it whether I realise or not. Look at today for example. Starmer declared a sound bite king as he asked "did you get that?". I suspect what he really meant was "Are you done filming me and my wife yet?".
The media made Milliband a laughing stock over a bacon roll and Corbyn a communist as he had some socialist ideas. They definitely influenced the Scottish Independence vote.
To give you an example, my prospective brother in law voted Tory. He's an educated guy but bought into the whole "Labour will tax the hell out of you" nonsense pushed in the media. So he voted Tory to "protect people like us". Those people are average wage earners who would BENEFIT from what Labour were proposing.
Scotland us slightly different. I'm not an SNP voter but there's definitely a bias there and people will buy into it.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 8 May 20:50
Be interesting to see how support for Scottish gov stands if Westminster and Scotland diverge greatly on the easing of lockdown (should that happen). Public opinion is for lockdown to continue but if the south ease restrictions and Scotland does not how many will reject Scottish guidance and what then
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 May 21:05
Do you mean support for the lockdown itself if restrictions are eased down south?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 8 May 22:17
The easing of lockdown down south will be minimal and just to shut up some people and employers.
If as is being reported we are sitting at an R of between 0.7 and 1.0 we are still in a very dangerous position. What's really needed is for us to get to 0.5 or less. We can't prove the actual R rating at the moment because we are not tracking and tracing effectively.
We defo need at least another 2-3 weeks in the current position.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 May 22:26
According to Nicola Sturgeon the R-number in Scotland is suspected to be higher than one, which is somewhat higher than the other parts of the UK.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 9 May 11:16
Yes think the R number is above 1 in Scotland, but we're a couple of weeks behind the South so no surprises there. Fortunately the tories panicked earlier in the week but appear to have come to their senses and realise its best going forward in a unified manner.
Think tomorrow Boris will now announce the christening date. Job done
Forgot to add, at the end of the month anyone entering the UK has to do 2 weeks isolation.
Post Edited (Sat 09 May 11:29)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 May 11:53
NS has been reluctant to quantify the R number because it is so volatile but I don't think she has ever even hinted that it is over 1.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 9 May 12:06
The 2 week quarantine sounds like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
I had friends come back from Spain early last month. They self imposed a quarantine but could easily have gone out and mingled in Glasgow if they wanted. Absolute joke.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sat 9 May 16:33
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 9 May 11:53
NS has been reluctant to quantify the R number because it is so volatile but I don't think she has ever even hinted that it is over 1.
I think she did say it was over one in one of the briefings over the last couple of days. Can't remember which one as it was on in the background. I was a bit surprised as she had previously said they thought it was under one.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 9 May 17:44
Was that not just in care homes? The media have been asking about the R number in care homes for some time and again NS has been reluctant to put a number on it but she may have conceded it is likely to be over 1 in that sector.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68
Date: Sat 9 May 18:54
We had public health Scotland data at work this week that indicated Scotland average R0 was hovering around 0.9-1 however Fife R0 was much higher at 1.29. Still way too risky to lift lockdown.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 9 May 19:16
Police having problems in London with groups of people out in parks picnicking and drinking.
Probably caused by hinting that restrictions might be lifted, mad dogs and Englishmen etc.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 10 May 15:21
Nicola taking apart the proposed new government message of “stay alert “
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 10 May 17:04
I will wait to hear how Johnson explains Cummings' new slogan before passing judgement.
I hope he didn't watch Darkest Hour on the telly the other day. It might give him ideas that his abilities won't be able to match.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 10 May 17:54
Jenrick got a hard neck telling people to stay at home!🤔
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 10 May 18:49
Dominic getting paid £90,000 a year to sit and think these things up :(
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 10 May 19:07
Oh christ! Who the #@!% voted for that %!@$.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 10 May 19:10
Double christ. The graph doesn't even make sense.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 10 May 19:21
Oh Jings I think Dominic could be heading for his jotters
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 10 May 19:29
Good to know that the lockdown has been a success because we never hit half a million, Yet!!!
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sun 10 May 19:32
Run... Couldnae... Government... Raffle... This... A...
Rearrange these letters as you see fit 🤣
Admin
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 10 May 19:35
Our Leader addressing his Nation in the most crucial time in our history since Minnie Caldwells cat went missing and he was reading a Primary 6 script and made a mess of it
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 10 May 20:46
Quote:
widtink, Sun 10 May 19:32
Run... Couldnae... Government... Raffle... This... A...
Rearrange these letters as you see fit 🤣
Couldnae Run A Raffle This Government?
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sun 10 May 20:48
That only works if you say it in the voice of Yoda 🤣
Admin
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Mon 11 May 08:16
Did anybody else think of the old Opportunity Knocks clapometer when the graphics were brought up on screen?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 11 May 08:18
Quote:
JTH123, Mon 11 May 08:16
Did anybody else think of the old Opportunity Knocks clapometer when the graphics were brought up on screen?
More like the Nandos chilli
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 11 May 09:09
They couldn’t even get their own corona level right!
At lockdown we were at 4 and now that we are coming out (at which point I expected him to say ‘3’ )we are between 3 & 4! Whit? You’ve broken your scale right out of the gate
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 11 May 09:36
Seems it was recorded last Thursday!🤔😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 11 May 10:12
I did a statistical check on our Scottish numbers this morning and there has been no statistical change in the death rates or the admission cases. They are stable and predicable. No change to the numbers and therefore Sturgeon is perfectly correct to keep lockdown to continue.
If anyone has the English numbers in the same way the Scottish government presents them then I can do the same analysis.
The total cases graphically would show a downward view but statistically there is no change. There has to be at least another 2 weeks data to show any trend. I bet BOJO and his team are looking at the simple graphs which paint a better picture of the daily rates. Ladies and gents, STATISTICALLY NO CHANGE, unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 11 May 12:15
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 11 May 22:24
Someone said a while ago that BJ wears a hidden ear piece when he is on live TV and will get questioned.
It was evident this evening when he led the Downing St briefing.
He inadvertently said “ When we get the virus “ instead of when we get the vaccine.
Anyone else who had a slip of the tongue ...which it was...would have either corrected themselves immediately or not at all ( if they were totally unaware of the slip )
He corrected himself about ten seconds later. It was obvious someone had “ whispered in his ear”
What kind of leader needs to have someone helping, prompting and reminding him?
His performance yesterday and today was shambolic, embarrassing and utterly inept.
He can hardly string a sentence together without an um , an err or an ahh.
I suppose it must be difficult to give a speech when someone is talking in you ear to be fair.
Compare the way he addresses the Nation to Nicola Sturgeon ( Regardless of what your politics are )
He said on Sunday during his broadcast to the Nation ( it was recorded on Thursday apparently ) that he had consulted the First Ministers of the Devolved Nations first.....All three deny it.
He said that people can go back to work on Monday ( since changed to Wednesday ) . Just call up your employer....eh ? Should it not be the other way around , providing your employer has made your workplace safe of course ?
They are not even planning to explain the safety in the workplace stipulations until Wednesday or clarify what the situation would be with public transport !
They ridiculed the Scottish Gov for giving advice on wearing face coverings in public places....now they are advising to do it.
The whole thing is a complete farce , a bit like something you would expect from that well known platoon based in Walmington-on Sea, Blackadder or an episode of Yes Minister.
Still if he is following the Science then I hope they get this right as another spike in infections will be a big set back for the economy as at the end of the day that is the Tory Gov’s priority and always has been....
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
Post Edited (Mon 11 May 22:25)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 11 May 23:51
All the Tories wear ear pieces linked to Michael Spicer. I thought everyone knew this? Here's Matt Hand in c*ck just last week.
https://youtu.be/osgcTSVt7eU
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 May 08:27
Superb ^^^^^^
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 May 08:28
Excellent Post desparado
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 12 May 08:48
There can be no doubt that he is out of his depth and this tragedy has laid bare all of his failings.
His performance yesterday reminded me of the way Hugh Grant acts in every film he has ever been in.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 12 May 09:53
Apparently we have to use our common sense.
So, by implication, we are at the mercy of the least sensible and responsible sections of society.
I suspect that workers won't be allowed to use common sense when deciding if it's safe to return to work either.
Why not extend this new faith in the British public's common sense?
Use your common sense when deciding how much to pay for goods and services.
Use your common sense when deciding what speed to drive.
Use common your sense when designing a building.
Common sense only works when people are actually informed about something, it is not something with which we are all magically endowed, so most of us need expert guidance when making a decision on most topics - even when we are not aware that this is what we are doing.
Common sense is based on experience basically, and none of us had experienced a global pandemic before February, so in this case my common sense tells me to seek clear expert advice.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 12 May 10:20
My company which is a forward thinking progressive company and prepared correctly as a key company that there is no change, but legally the statement ensured that we had review in detail and unpick his message for us to state no change to our working policy as it was completely unclear legally what Bojo was saying. There is an onus on the company to keep health and safety standards and the implications of what that means for the employee and the company.
The man is a true buffoon who neither has tactical or strategic leadership either in governance or business. It was so bad that whilst watching his presentation last night, I had to walk out as he was confusing many issues rather than simple clear concise messages.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 12 May 10:36
Money is the main driver of the policy now, the Tory hierarchy are squealing at the government paying out money for nothing!
The likes of Ian Duncan Smith are driving the agenda, Chancellor of the Exchequor will pull the carpet from under your feet this afternoon.
Get the peasants back to work!!😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles
Date: Tue 12 May 12:28
It would be funny if it wasn't so God damn tragic. Completely and utterly out of his depth, playing Russian roulette with people's health and not a clue to implement this next "Be Alert" phase. Not a huge fan of Sturgeon but she is head and shoulders above the shambles down South. Clear and concise messages daily which should be the minimum we expect during this.
Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 12 May 12:57
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LochgellyAlbert, Tue 12 May 10:36
Money is the main driver of the policy now, the Tory hierarchy are squealing at the government paying out money for nothing!
The likes of Ian Duncan Smith are driving the agenda, Chancellor of the Exchequor will pull the carpet from under your feet this afternoon.
Get the peasants back to work!!😡😡😡
Well that's a surprise!🤔🤔🤔
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 12 May 13:42
Quote:
Frank Butchers LoveHandles, Tue 12 May 12:28
Not a huge fan of Sturgeon but she is head and shoulders above the shambles down South. Clear and concise messages daily which should be the minimum we expect during this.
This seems to be a general consensus. Sturgeon is performing well and her messages are concise and relevant.
A lot of people saying online that they don't really like her but that she is the best leader in UK at the moment by a country mile.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 12 May 13:49
Are they the same people who 'like' Boris Johnson because he seems the kind of guy you could go to the pub with and have a good time? These aren't the qualities that necessarily make a good leader.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Tue 12 May 16:07
Wonder when it started but seems these days if you are anti <insert political position here> then by default you don't "like" a person?
Sadly this knock on effect from that is that people start to play the person and not ball
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 12 May 19:27
DBP
I dislike the Tory Party for various obvious reasons
I dislike Boris the Brave for the same above
Disliked Miss Brasier
Hated Maggie the milk snatcher
But Liked John Major
So no knock on effect Boris the brave canny even bounce the ball
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 13 May 06:16
I agree you can dislike policies and a person's beliefs... I agree you can dislike someone's actions or decisions.
I don't like Gordon Browns strong unionist views, I think he was a terrible leader and PM, i don't like the way he keeps popping up, gets a big platform and promises stuff that's not in his gift...
The thing I struggle with where someone says, oh i can't stand Gordon brown and I don't like Gordon brown the man...for me that gives licence to drift into a space of personal insults that are unnecessary and undeserved.
If you go on have your say on the bbc, its nothing but personal insults which seems to overtake the actual debate
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 21 May 16:34
So he is clear of wrong doing in the Arcuri enquiry, who would have believed it!🤔
Caught with his pants down more like!🍾
Post Edited (Thu 21 May 16:55)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 21 May 19:19
You definitely can dislike a person as a result of their beliefs and their character as they present them/it- why else would you decide to dislike a person?
In terms of people in the public eye, politicians are in the very definition of folk who we should be judging and, where necessary, judging harshly. It's basically their job to present their beliefs and character for the public to judge.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 23 May 10:43
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 21 May 16:34
So he is clear of wrong doing in the Arcuri enquiry, who would have believed it!🤔
Caught with his pants down more like!🍾
Cleared because shock and horror, the evidence just randomly got deleted from the tory databases. Not like that has ever happened before... We're being taken for a ride and the public doesn't even care
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 23 May 11:08
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 23 May 10:43
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 21 May 16:34
So he is clear of wrong doing in the Arcuri enquiry, who would have believed it!🤔
Caught with his pants down more like!🍾
Cleared because shock and horror, the evidence just randomly got deleted from the tory databases. Not like that has ever happened before... We're being taken for a ride and the public doesn't even care
Oh come on now according the likes of Vee cover ups don't happen....fake news.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 23 May 11:33
Isnt it an offence to delete his information in this case, accidental or not, given the investigation?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 23 May 14:14
Still not in the clear with the London Council.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Sat 23 May 16:12
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sat 23 May 16:48
I read yesterday that he is having a two week break somewhere - I will try find the article.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Sun 24 May 16:12
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 24 May 16:30
He is taking the briefing tonight apparently
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 24 May 17:00
Well this is going to be fun!
I am preparing to shake my head a lot. Maybe I should put a neck brace on in advance to avoid injury.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 24 May 17:09
He's not getting sacked. Why would he do that, the next election isn't until 2024. Thanks Jezza.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 24 May 17:11
Indeed.
Let's see how the press do today. If the BBC, Sky, or ITV ask anything that isn't related to Cummings then they are playing into the government's hands.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Sun 24 May 17:36
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 24 May 17:43
I suspect that Johnson thinks he can tap into the sizable section of idiots inside our society that think this whole lockdown has been an overreaction and will be nodding their approval at Cumming's actions.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 24 May 17:45
The word pathetic springs to mind.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 24 May 17:47
Right, I'm off to see the in-laws we've not seen for a couple of months. Johnson needs to go.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sun 24 May 17:50
That was jaw dropping - a huge gamble- this isn't going away.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 24 May 17:55
I think the press will just ramp it up a notch or two following that.
People were dying alone while this was happening, and he is still defending Cummings.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 24 May 17:57
My understanding is that if you have symptoms, do not leave your home for any reason. That part at least seems clear.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 24 May 18:46
I think that's the first UK briefing I've watched all the way through. Dismissive, evasive, patronising - are they all as bad as that?
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 24 May 18:54
No. They are often bad, but rarely as bad as that.
Even Shapps did a much better job yesterday, and he probably didn't have the 'advantage' of Cummings telling him what to say for a few hours beforehand.
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Topic Originator: jwd1103
Date: Sun 24 May 19:02
He can't sack Cummings, he knows too much. What he could tell the press would be the end of Boris and potentially lead to civil unrest depending on what he says...the as yet unrevealed papers into the alleged Russian interference in the general election for example
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 May 08:27
Very interesting LA and throw Cummings back into the mix
The shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, has written to the government with questions about Dominic Cummings’s connections to Russia and the levels of security vetting to which he has been subjected in Downing Street after an official-level whistleblower raised serious concerns.
Cummings, the divisive senior adviser to the prime minister, Boris Johnson, spent three years in Russia from 1994 to 1997 after he graduated from Oxford University with a first in ancient and modern history.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Mon 25 May 19:33
What a car crash of a daily press conference - we were reduced to slack jaw laughter at Johnson - what an idiot.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 May 19:46
Boris the Brave cannot handle confrontation or controversy Hence his penchant for hiding or disappearing when the going gets tough
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 25 May 19:51
Quality use of the strategically, placed spectacles though.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 May 19:57
During the briefing, Mr Johnson was asked repeatedly about Dominic Cummings' claim that he drove to a beauty spot to "test his eyesight", and about calls for him to quit.
Gesturing to his glasses, he said: "On the point about eyesight, I'm finding I have to wear spectacles for the first time in years, I think, because of the effects of this thing. So... I think that's very, very plausible that there is that eyesight can be a problem associated with coronavirus."
You could not make this up ... Laurel and Hardy springs to mind
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 May 20:12
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Topic Originator: wetherby like | nolike
Date: Mon 25 May 19:33
What a car crash of a daily press conference - we were reduced to slack jaw laughter at Johnson - what an idiot.
Wetherby I am thinking they are laughing at us ....Its a double act ....He drove 30 miles to test his eyesight .....then Boris the Brave turns up with specs to confirm the virus can affect your sight .....Vintage Little and Large
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 25 May 21:27
Blind as a bat... so it did jump species?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 25 May 21:55
Well spotted LA ....Lie after lie after lie ..... ach weel its what he does
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 26 May 18:12
Cannot argue with any of that
Families that were fined for breach of lockdown due to child care may be reimbursed .....You could not make it up :(
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 27 May 19:24
Does he genuinely not know what is going on?, or is he still doing what he does best and Lie der lie der lie der lie Kaboom
During his appearance at the Liaison Committee earlier, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: "I don't think there is any country that has done anything like the furlough scheme."
He also said, "the furlough scheme is more generous than any other scheme around the world."
The UK scheme currently pays 80% of a furloughed worker's salary and will run until October.
However, in the Netherlands, workers are entitled to as much as 90% of their previous earnings for three months. Meanwhile, in Italy, workers are eligible for 80% of their pay, the same as in the UK.
In Germany, workers with children can currently receive 67% of their salary from the government and are paid as much as €6,700 (£6,000) per month.
In France, furloughed workers are entitled to 70% of their salary, while minimum wage workers receive 100%.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 27 May 20:24
The running of the country is now becoming a global comedy item, god help us with Brexit in December!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 27 May 20:41
Think it will be too late in December. We crash out with no deal on June 30th ,unless U.K. Gov beg for another extension which will not go down too well with some. Boris’ approval ratings will take another hit if that is the case.
He was suppose to be dead in a ditch after the last.....threat.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 28 May 08:18
I am very confused by modern politics and the approach to lying.
I'm not pretending that things were better in the past, but they were just easier to understand.
Politicians used to tell lies. Sometimes they got away with it, and sometimes they got caught. When they got caught, they either apologised or tried to move on to something else as quickly as possible.
Now we have lies (100000 daily tests by the end of April, the furlough scheme being the most generous in the world,, etc), the press and public point out that they are lies, then they are just repeated ad nauseum.
Are facts really worthless in 2020?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 28 May 10:52
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Thu 28 May 08:18
I am very confused by modern politics and the approach to lying.
I'm not pretending that things were better in the past, but they were just easier to understand.
Politicians used to tell lies. Sometimes they got away with it, and sometimes they got caught. When they got caught, they either apologised or tried to move on to something else as quickly as possible.
Now we have lies (100000 daily tests by the end of April, the furlough scheme being the most generous in the world,, etc), the press and public point out that they are lies, then they are just repeated ad nauseum.
Are facts really worthless in 2020?
Facts have been worthless for a good while now.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Thu 28 May 17:52
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