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 Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: auldpar  
Date:   Wed 6 Oct 17:09

Is there a difference between the new ones introduced last week and the one which you could get a paper copy and later a PDF with the appropriate QR codes? I`m aware that the the newest ones were intended for entry to nightclubs etc but are they also used for foreign travel?

We got the paper ones and then the follow-up QR ones to allow us to visit family in Canada. Do I need the new one too? Is it worth getting? I`ve no plans to go to a nightclub, dancing, or any other events!

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 6 Oct 18:13

For all the time it takes I`d get it just in case.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Wed 6 Oct 23:05

I tried their app today and it must be the worst app I ever had,note the had,on my phone.I really hope the primary kids got well rewarded for developing it.

I`ll stick to the pdf download on my phone and the letter if I need proof of vaccinations.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 10:07

Came into Tenerife 2 weeks ago, vaccine certificate checked at Edinburgh Airport, my wife sailed through the checks at Tenerife Airport, I was stopped and asked for test results. On showing my proof of vaccination I was cleared to go through, I had a paper copy but many were just using their mobiles.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 10:53

Just had a look at the app again to see if Donj`s concerns were correct. Worked absolutely as intended and had the QR code up within seconds. It covers international travel as well as domestic event entry.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: auldpar  
Date:   Thu 7 Oct 11:41

Downloaded it this morning. Didn`t take too long - photo part a bit fiddly but it`s done now.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 12:00

Redundant if the law is actually followed.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 19:47

TOWK I have the pdf and the letter perfectly.I meant the useless app which needs a photograph of your passport,my licence still the old paper one,and a selfie.It was useless and I gave up after 5 attempts.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Fri 8 Oct 23:19

The photo ID was a bit of a hit or a miss - I used a driver`s licence - but it was OK after a few rejected attempts.

When I turned the `phone camera to "landscape " it worked first time - strange how technology pans out !!!



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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 18:28

More vaxxed in hospital with covid than unvaxxed....but we're the one's losing freedoms.
Thience.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 18:42

The vaccination rate is between 85 to 90% of the population so its not too much of a surprises that more people in hospital have been vaccinated than haven't.
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: charlie1  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 18:53

Quote:

Rastapari, Thu 14 Oct 18:28

More vaxxed in hospital with covid than unvaxxed....but we're the one's losing freedoms.
Thience.


Three quarters of under-50s in hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated, figures reveal - from Sky News, figures from Sept 21 !!!
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 18:55

Remember there are far, far more people vaccinated than not. Over 80% of the over 12 population of the UK actually. The fact that the unvaccinated are being hospitalised in such huge numbers compared to the vaccinated speaks volumes as our good friends at the BMJ detail.
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2306

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 19:22

I don't know if Rastapari is referring to the same Public Health Scotland report that this Reuters analysis deals with, but if so the response from PHS is telling:
".... the data actually shows that vaccinated individuals are far less likely to die from COVID-19 infection than unvaccinated individuals, once you take into account the underlying population sizes and differences in the age structure of individuals who are vaccinated compared to unvaccinated."

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2QQ24L

Also, from the BMJ report that TOWK linked to:
Between the week beginning Monday 16 August 2021 and the week ending Sunday 12 September, the rate of hospital admissions of over 80s was 50.5 per 100 000 in the fully vaccinated and 143.9 per 100 000 in the unvaccinated, while deaths were 45.5 and 145.4 per 100 000, respectively. These trends were seen across the board. For example, for 60-69 year olds the hospital admission rates were 13.5 per 100 000 in the fully vaccinated and 74.3 per 100 000 in the unvaccinated, while deaths were 4.1 and 24.3 per 100 000, respectively.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 19:52

The numbers really are quite startling. In certain age groups if you haven`t been innoculated you really are at massively increased risk of coming to serious harm.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 20:05

In other news we are getting closer to herd immunity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58719464

No need to thank us. You`re welcome.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 20:10

Quote:

Rastapari, Thu 14 Oct 18:28

More vaxxed in hospital with covid than unvaxxed....but we're the one's losing freedoms.
Thience.


Can tell statistics aren't you strong point 🤦‍♂️

Firstly, it's marginal. Secondly, there is a far higher proportion of vaccinated people than unvaccinated people.

The most recent studies suggest unvaccinated people are between 10 and 20 times more likely to die from COVID.

Notice that the rate of infection is up but the rate of hospitalisation is not when compared to the same time last year. I wonder why that might be?
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: EastEndBoy  
Date:   Thu 14 Oct 20:49

Quote:

Rastapari, Thu 14 Oct 18:28

More vaxxed in hospital with covid than unvaxxed....but we're the one's losing freedoms.
Thience.


This didn't really go as well as you'd hoped, huh?

...ken?
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 10:47

being vaccinated has proved its worth, speaking from experience.

not being vaccinated is your own risk and puts other peoples lives in danger.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 10:57

We just going to rehash the same arguments week in week out or can we just accept some of us don’t want to do it, it’s not a mandatory vaccine and just leave it be eh.
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 10:59

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Thu 14 Oct 20:05

In other news we are getting closer to herd immunity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58719464

No need to thank us. You`re welcome.


Cheers buddy, forever in your debt.
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 11:18

All part of the service 👍

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: brian  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 12:09

Berry
Thought I`d be entitled to one opinion 😁
As it`s recent and relevent comment thought it was worth it.

Won`t repeatedly come back on repeating it 😉

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 12:13

I don’t have an issue with people opting out of the vaccination programme - but I do have a problem if they (God forbid) fall ill with Covid and require major hospital treatment.

Our NHS staff don’t need that.
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 12:28

People are free to live alone in the woods if they wish to rid themselves of social responsibility.

But if you want to live in a society where you have rights such as free association then you also have to accept the responsibilities which are attached to those rights.

In this case you have the right to refuse the vaccine, however you also have the responsibility to not infect others, which means that on balance you shouldn't be in large crowds of people or anywhere where you are likely to meet and infect folk who can't, for whatever reason, get vaccinated.

I think it's only reasonable that those who choose not to be vaccinated should take the social hit in order to better protect those for whom being vaccinated isn't a choice. At least until herd immunity is reached.

I also think that it is fine to offer reasonable criticism towards those who make decisions with the potential to harm others.


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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 12:33

NHS staff don`t need the hassle of dealing with the aftermath of all sorts of reckless behaviour, be it non vaccination, smoking, excessive drinking, heroin abuse, dangerous driving, etc, but those people still deserve and have the right to medical treatment.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: EastEndBoy  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 13:45

Quote:

Berry, Sun 17 Oct 10:57

We just going to rehash the same arguments week in week out or can we just accept some of us don’t want to do it, it’s not a mandatory vaccine and just leave it be eh.


Not wanting to take the vaccine (for whatever reason) is one thing. Publicly spouting BS stats and untruths about it in some sort of attempt to make others refuse it is quite another.

...ken?

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 13:45

Wotsit, I’m unvaccinated, for my own personal reasons which I’ve shared before. I’m not one of those anti-vax nutters that people often associate people like me with, you won’t see me at protests claiming this is all one big scam etc. We don’t all believe in that nonsense.

I don’t as part of normal life pre covid associate myself in large gatherings, to be honest I struggle to think of anything worse. I’m not anti-social but when i do go out it’s small in nature…other than my visits to EEP.

My days of clubbing and such forth are long gone.

Despite not being vaccinated, i take precautions arguably some vaccinated folk have given up on. I still maintain distance from folk when necessary, wear the mask when it is required, sanitise hands regularly etc etc.

But, because I’m unvaccinated, like many others out there, we are treated like we have it, that if someone does catch it, it must be those that aren’t vaccinated not recognising that those that are vaccinated can still pass it on.

It’s as if we’re a walking disease and we lose all rights we had because we are sceptical about an unproven vaccine that has been rushed through the cycle. There are folk that have valid concerns, but these folk get tagged as being influenced and victim of social media, we’re all crazy.

I’ve not once criticised or looked down on anyone for their decision to take the vaccine, nor have I discouraged them, only defended myself from those that choose to pass judgement on me without knowing anything about me or my personal circumstances…I’m apparently just a selfish and inconsiderate individual. I’d argue that says more about others than me.

My email is in my profile, if anyone is willing to risk socialising with myself over a pint at legends then just get in touch, get to know me a bit more and then you can cast judgement.

P.S. Wotsit, I’d recommend you jump on to the Prince Andrew thread and correct your post that Lux has called out on.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 14:49

Berry, the science is clear: if people who are unvaccinated go to events and gatherings where they mingle socially then they are putting others at risk.

If people choose to remain unvaccinated for non medical reasons then they should not be beyond criticism. Granted, I`d suggest that you deserve far less criticism than anti-vax conspiracy theorists (you`re not spreading misinformation for one thing)

However, the decision to remain unvaccinated has repercussions for folk other than the individual making that decision.


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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 15:30

I`m with Berry on this one.

If you got vaccinated to reduce your risk of hospitalisation or death due to covid then you made a good choice, although if you are under 30 the risk was so small that the benefits aren`t that great.

If you got vaccinated to protect people around you then you have been a bit misled. The vaccine does have an impact on your chance of infecting others, but this benefit (over unvaccinated people) only exists if everyone behaves the same way in terms of taking PCR tests, staying at home if they have symptoms, etc.

One thing that people seem reluctant to address is the direct financial cost of vaccinating millions of low risk people. Vaccinating all 12-30 year olds might only save 100 lives but costs around a billion pounds. There are many other ways that this money could be spent to benefit young people that could save many more lives, for example investment in mental health, education, or sports facilities.

It is probably clear from what I have written that I haven`t been vaccinated. The experts have helpfully informed me that this isn`t my fault. I am just a victim of social media, I am uneducated, or I don`t understand how viruses and vaccines work. It can`t be the first one, because I don`t read things on FB or Twitter. It probably isn`t the second one, because I did OK at school and managed to get a couple of degrees afterwards. By a process of elimination it must be the third one, but I should probably tell my employer since they have been paying me to make vaccines for years.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 15:41

So what would it take for you to consider the vaccine to no longer be unproven?

Clinical trials started I think July 2020 so we are pretty advanced in proving now;
6.65 billion dozes administered
2.83 billion people fully vaccinated

If there was a mass problem we would know about it unless the worlds press are controlled by some sinister cabal.

I have a wide social group and I don’t know a single person out of hundreds that have had a significant bad reaction other than some have felt a bit ill.

It can’t be the same old arguments as time is moving on and dismisses many of them. Was it not those against on .net whose claimed infinite wisdom was that we would all be in lockdown in October?

The nonsense is simply ignored and something else that is obvious to a blind man presented as the prophecy fulfilment or BS stats and misinformation presented instead. The straw grasping just increases as time goes on.

Some folk are that entrenched that I think they don’t even know what they are really arguing against now as demonstrated by Rasta’s post on this thread which is either wilfully stupid or simply trolling.


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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 18:36

I'm more offended by idiots like the woman I saw today who was parked in parent and child (no child) and was stood puffing away whilst wearing a sunflower lanyard, presumably due to breathing difficulties. Absolute roaster.
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 19:23

The only way anti vax or folk who refuse to get it, is if they get it. And good luck when you do

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 20:41

A blockbuster twist at the end or Aaaargghs post there worthy of a M.Night Shyamalan movie!
Srill don`t understand why you haven`t been jagged though. You told us if you have made the decision to be jagged to reduce your chances of death or hospitalisation then you made a good choice. Well since the vaccine does just that for every age group I`m struggling to see why you haven`t been innoculated.
Unless of course from your position inside Big Pharma you know something the rest of us don`t?

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 23:30

Fortunately I don`t have any dirt on big pharma other than what you would probably expect from large companies with shareholders to please.

I`m not a big fan of commercial departments who like to play up positive information and play down negative things just to make more money. I have to deal with this kind of stuff every day and it can be pretty frustrating. This makes me wary of the figures that are being shared at the moment.

While I accept that, based on current information, it is likely that the risk-benefit profile of the vaccine is positive for me, this will probably reduce over time when new information becomes available. What I find it increasingly hard to accept is the way the Pfizer vaccine has been pushed on kids and young adults, in particular on boys. If I were presented with the current data and someone asked me if I think this vaccine should be recommended for 12-15 year old boys I would probably reply "Are you on drugs?". Don`t get me wrong, the vaccine won`t kill many kids and the risk of serious problems is low, but the same could be said for colonoscopies and I wouldn`t recommend kids having them just to go to school.

So, in summary, I haven`t been vaccinated (yet) because I am a stubborn, spiteful, miserable b******.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sun 17 Oct 23:44

Been out here in Tenerife for the last 4 weeks, and after gaining entry due to either being double vaccinated or negative PCR test, everything has been great.
Facemasks to be worn indoors, and seriously enforced, have had a great time.
Backto plague Island tomorrow!😡🤬
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Mon 18 Oct 09:30

"NHS staff don`t need the hassle of dealing with the aftermath of all sorts of reckless behaviour, be it non vaccination, smoking, excessive drinking, heroin abuse, dangerous driving, etc, but those people still deserve and have the right to medical treatment."

I didn`t make my point clear enough, apologies for the lack of clarity.

NHS staff are not at risk from non infectious/contagious admissions to hospital - but they are seriously jepordised by patients in ICU who have refused Covid vaccinations, where the illness might have been avoided.

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Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Mon 18 Oct 11:38

Currently in Ireland… going into a pub, restaurant etc.., you get asked for your “cert” - which for them is a paper card and for me is a flash of my nhs Scotland app …and no bother

Mask on going in and off when at the table

Seems like Ireland thinking of fully opening up on Friday but there’s clearly lots of discussions if that should be for a everyone or only those fully vacc’d (think there’s cases on the rise again)

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 18 Oct 11:52

My son recently received his vaccine and I was a bit concerned as I had heard of the increased risk of side effects for teenage boys from the Pfizer jag. I then read this report from the BMJ which poured scorn on those studies.

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2251


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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Mon 18 Oct 22:03

I think the BMJ criticism was valid, but that doesn`t necessarily mean that the benefit-risk for boys and young men is in favour of the vaccine.

What is clear is that the probability of hospitalisation in this age group is very low following vaccination and very low following infection so, either way, the chances of everything being OK are very high.

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu  
Date:   Wed 20 Oct 18:44

USA not allowing folk not vaccinated in from 8th November, Australia going down the same route .

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 20 Oct 18:59

Noticed Peppa Pig had her vaccination last month as well.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 20 Oct 20:58

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Berry, Wed 20 Oct 18:59

Noticed Peppa Pig had her vaccination last month as well.


Well she shouldn't have as she is only four so isn't eligible.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 20 Oct 21:22

Ah jake but Pigs age at a rate of 5 years to every human year. So a pig that is 4 years old is equivalent to a 20 year old human .. so She should be due or have had her first vaccine .. :-))

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 20 Oct 21:29

So Morocco banning flights, UK on red list, horror for English half term holidays!

A sure vote winner and the first of many countries that will follow the same path.
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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Wed 20 Oct 23:52

Not been following the Covid stats for a while but was shocked to see that the U.K. has the second highest infection rate on a population basis in the world second only to Romania.

New cases yesterday were just over 400 000 with the U.K. registering 49000….’. more than 10% of all new cases worldwide……..wow.

Various reasons for this of course.

England is lagging behind Scotland for vaccinations for 12-18 year old and this is the group that the experts believe are causing the high infection rate.

U.K. handling of this has been abysmal from the start so I should not be surprised really….

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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 21 Oct 06:52

A huge hurrah for the Australian Medical Association for giving a firm two fingers up to the “Covid-deniers” and “anti-vaxxers”, claiming they should opt out of care in the public health system if they catch the virus as Victoria reopens on Friday after months of lockdown.

AMA Victoria president, Dr Roderick McRae, said those who do not believe Covid-19 is real or a threat should update their advanced care directives and inform their relatives that they do not wish to receive care in the public health system if diagnosed with the virus.

"We know as we reopen it’s the unvaccinated who are going to get Covid, and they are going to get great hospital treatment with many new experimental drugs, even though they think the vaccine is ‘experimental’," McRae said.

"A whole lot of these people are passionate disbelievers that the virus even exists. And they should notify their nearest and dearest and ensure there’s an advanced care directive that says, ‘If I am diagnosed with this disease caused by a virus that I don’t believe exists, I will not disturb the public hospital system, and I’ll let nature run its course’."



https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/21/victoria-ama-says-covid-deniers-and-anti-vaxxers-should-opt-out-of-public-health-system-and-let-nature-take-its-course

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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 21 Oct 08:18

Sounds like a good plan.
They could also install carbon monoxide breath tests at the entrance to weed out smokers.
An alcohol and drugs screening test would be good, too.
A weight and height check and they can send overweight people packing.
If people all wear fitness trackers they can check their movement over the last few months and tell sedentary people that they aren`t welcome either.

We need to keep the hospitals free for non self-inflicted ailments. .

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 21 Oct 08:51

I think it is fair to say that the AMA chief was talking tongue in cheek. But he very effectively got his point across...

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 Re: Vaccine Passports
Topic Originator: veteraneastender  
Date:   Thu 21 Oct 16:55

I have a friend in Victoria - told me the lockdown was imposed and policed robustly.

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