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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sun 30 Jan 07:52
Has anyone has seen the pictures his ex girlfriend has put up with blood or over her face or even worse, the audio recording (which I’m not prepared to link but it’s out there) of him basically raping her? It’s utterly horrific. His career is surely SURELY over. The world at his feet and yet another monsterous cowardly piece of garbage footballer is what we get. This should be all over the papers. He’s finished.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sun 30 Jan 08:52
Has any of this been proven yet or is it just speculation/accusations?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 30 Jan 09:12
Horrid image but innocent until proven guilty surely?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 30 Jan 09:22
Innocent until proven guilty. There should be no story hear until the police decides if he has a case to answer to.
Twiiter/instagram GTF
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Sun 30 Jan 09:28
Usually I’d agree, but the voice clip is pretty damning
Post Edited (Sun 30 Jan 09:28)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 30 Jan 09:31
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 30 Jan 09:22
Innocent until proven guilty. There should be no story hear until the police decides if he has a case to answer to.
Twiiter/instagram GTF
100%. These conversations are for court rather than on social media. We all saw what happened when Caroline Flack had allegations spread all over social.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 30 Jan 09:33
Quote:
AlterPar, Sun 30 Jan 09:28
Usually I’d agree, but the voice clip is pretty damning
Yeah agreed I just listened to that. Shocking
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 30 Jan 09:42
I hadn`t heard the audio. Whether it`s him or someone else it is truly horrifying. I wouldn`t recommend listening to it.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sun 30 Jan 10:16
The audio recording is absolutely horrendous. Can’t see any way out of it for him.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 30 Jan 11:07
Won’t get charged with rape as an audio recording proves nothing.
Will probably get charged with assault.
Seems strange that she has just been hit and is wandering about taking videos of herself when he is presumably still around.
Also when did she decide to start recording this ? Before anything happened ? During ? Strange. Unless there has been previous ?
Bruises? Does not prove that she was not a willing partner when the bruises were inflicted…..that might be his line of defence.
He does certainly seem like a nasty horrible bloke though.
Just 20, a glittering career ahead of him, and maybe flushed it all down the pan.
He deserves what he gets..if found guilty of anything… but as I said can’t see a rape charge being brought based on that recording…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 30 Jan 11:18
In contrary I suspect that the pressure to charge him will be too much for the cps to bear. At that stage it will then be up to the courts to decide the verdict. I assume it won`t just be the audio but also the testimony of the woman.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 30 Jan 11:29
Quote:
desparado, Sun 30 Jan 11:07
Won’t get charged with rape as an audio recording proves nothing.
Will probably get charged with assault.
Seems strange that she has just been hit and is wandering about taking videos of herself when he is presumably still around.
Also when did she decide to start recording this ? Before anything happened ? During ? Strange. Unless there has been previous ?
Bruises? Does not prove that she was not a willing partner when the bruises were inflicted…..that might be his line of defence.
He does certainly seem like a nasty horrible bloke though.
Just 20, a glittering career ahead of him, and maybe flushed it all down the pan.
He deserves what he gets..if found guilty of anything… but as I said can’t see a rape charge being brought based on that recording…
Not really liking this post at all.
What about the girlfriend in all of this ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 30 Jan 11:33
If she testifies against him and is adamant that he raped her, then not being a legal eagle but can someone be found guilty on testimony only ?
She will realise of course that if he is found guilty of rape then not only is his football career over but his life..the way it was anyway.
Can’t imagine his shocking behaviour was a recent thing.
Wonder why she hung around so long if there was previous ?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 30 Jan 11:41
Domestic abuse is a complex subject. Very easy to ask "well why didn`t he/she...".
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Sun 30 Jan 11:55
This site and some of the opinions on here fair don’t help it’s name.
Desperate stuff 😠
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Sun 30 Jan 11:58
Desperado,
I don’t think you mean to come across poorly but I’m really not a fan of the way you have put this case across. It’s uncomfortable reading.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 30 Jan 12:06
Seems like he is a total scumbag. The audio clip is pretty damming.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sun 30 Jan 12:07
Quote:
AlterPar, Sun 30 Jan 11:58
Desperado,
I don’t think you mean to come across poorly but I’m really not a fan of the way you have put this case across. It’s uncomfortable reading.
Agreed.
Asking "why did she hang around" shows at best ignorance of domestic abuse, and at worst edging on victim blaming.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 30 Jan 12:10
Quote:
Never10yairds, Sun 30 Jan 12:06
Seems like he is a total scumbag. The audio clip is pretty damming.
How can anyone prove that`s definitely him? Genuine question
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sun 30 Jan 12:11)
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 30 Jan 12:21
Quote:
jake89, Sun 30 Jan 11:41
Domestic abuse is a complex subject. Very easy to ask "well why didn`t he/she...".
100% this
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 30 Jan 12:36
All the posts have now been deleted from the insta account. Dunno if that means police are investigating and asked her to take them down or his lawyers have been in touch and coerced her to take them then.
Man U have made a statement to say they are making no comment until facts are known
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sun 30 Jan 12:46
This is horrendous and totally unacceptable if true but this needs to be investigated to find out whether he is innocent or guilty i have heard the recording but i will refrain from making any further comments
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 30 Jan 13:26
Some uncomfortable posts in here
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 30 Jan 13:37
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Sun 30 Jan 13:26
Some uncomfortable posts in here
Why?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 30 Jan 13:38
If they make you feel uncomfortable then you really need to say which posts and articulate why they make you feel that way. You`re points will probably be quite valid but if you believe they are wrong you need to say why.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 30 Jan 16:09
She should have gone to the police with the allegations.
They can decide if there is a case to answer.
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Topic Originator: TigerPar
Date: Sun 30 Jan 16:56
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sun 30 Jan 16:09
She should have gone to the police with the allegations.
They can decide if there is a case to answer.
Maybe she has done and got nowhere, hence releasing what she has on her socials. Truth is we’ll never know the full story!
Seems he is a nasty piece of work and by all accounts of other comments I’ve read elsewhere it’s not the first time he’s been in trouble for how he treats women.
I hope the police can get to the truth and that he’ll pay a heavy price for any crimes he’s committed.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 30 Jan 19:18
Quote:
TigerPar, Sun 30 Jan 16:56
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sun 30 Jan 16:09
She should have gone to the police with the allegations.
They can decide if there is a case to answer.
Maybe she has done and got nowhere, hence releasing what she has on her socials. Truth is we’ll never know the full story!
Seems he is a nasty piece of work and by all accounts of other comments I’ve read elsewhere it’s not the first time he’s been in trouble for how he treats women.
I hope the police can get to the truth and that he’ll pay a heavy price for any crimes he’s committed.
Allegedly
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 30 Jan 20:23
Topic Originator: DBA like
Date: Sun 30 Jan 12:07
Quote:
AlterPar, Sun 30 Jan 11:58
Desperado,
I don’t think you mean to come across poorly but I’m really not a fan of the way you have put this case across. It’s uncomfortable reading.
Agreed.
Asking "why did she hang around" shows at best ignorance of domestic abuse, and at worst edging on victim blaming.
Yeah domestic abuse in a normal relationship, but when it involves a multi millionaire it is a bit different…..apparently…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 30 Jan 20:30
Greater Manchester will be experienced (sadly) in investigating such cases based on evidence.
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Topic Originator: BoAPar
Date: Sun 30 Jan 20:51
"She should have gone to the police with the allegations.
They can decide if there is a case to answer."
That`s great in theory, but as above, the police don`t progress 98.4% of the accusations they receive.
There`s no point telling people to put their faith in the justice system, when the chances that they will see justice are basically zero.
If nothing else, the accuser going public has forced the police to investigate (which there is no guarantee that they would have done had she played by the "rules").
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 30 Jan 20:55
Quote:
desparado, Sun 30 Jan 20:23
Topic Originator: DBA like
Date: Sun 30 Jan 12:07
Quote:
AlterPar, Sun 30 Jan 11:58
Desperado,
I don’t think you mean to come across poorly but I’m really not a fan of the way you have put this case across. It’s uncomfortable reading.
Agreed.
Asking "why did she hang around" shows at best ignorance of domestic abuse, and at worst edging on victim blaming.
Yeah domestic abuse in a normal relationship, but when it involves a multi millionaire it is a bit different…..apparently…
????
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sun 30 Jan 21:11
Been arrested on suspicion of rape and assault if he’s guilty I hope he rots in jail
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 31 Jan 00:01
Has he taken the hype about him being the "New Ryan Giggs" too literally?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 31 Jan 09:03
I hate these trials by SM and don`t want to pass judgement on a case without hearing all the evidence.
It`s not helpful, either, to ask questions like "Why did the girl not just go the police?" Was she in a fit psychological state to think in a clear and rational way?
The reason so few rape complaints end up in court is because it`s a very serious charge and carries a 7 year prison sentence. The evidence has to be very compelling or the CPS will throw it out. Hopefully, now that the police is involved, all relevant information will be gathered and justice will be served.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 31 Jan 09:40
A lot of people don`t appreciate that domestic abuse isn`t black and white. I had a friend who was effectively being psychologically abused by her boyfriend. They`d been dating for years through uni and lived in his flat. He had a very well paid job whereas she kept going from job to job. He used to say she didn`t need to work and we always felt he encouraged her just to quit. This effectively trapped her. She paid no rent, had become isolated from her friends and rarely had money. In the end her escape route was to take a job on the other side of the country. Even then she didn`t dump him until a long while later and it wasn`t pretty.
At first a lot of us would highlight what was going on but it made things worse. She lost a fair few friends because of her standing by him.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 31 Jan 09:42
I was on a Jury in a rape case recently. It was infuriating.
The defendant was allowed to just sit and watch without saying a word whilst the alleged victim was dragged around like a ragdoll by the defence team.
The evidence as presented wasn`t sufficient to convict so the jury gave a not proven verdict, but we might well have given a different one had the evidence been presented in a different way or if we had been given different guidance from the judge.
The system isn`t set up to properly try rape cases and the adversarial approach to questioning alleged victims left me with a really poor view of how our system deals with rape allegations.
I understand that the part of a rape enquiry before trial could be made a great deal less traumatic for the complainant too, especially given what they have just been through. It is not surprising that victims often either don`t report anything or they take their time to process and build the courage up to go through more trauma.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
Post Edited (Mon 31 Jan 09:44)
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 31 Jan 11:31
Quote:
jake89, Mon 31 Jan 09:40
A lot of people don`t appreciate that domestic abuse isn`t black and white. I had a friend who was effectively being psychologically abused by her boyfriend. They`d been dating for years through uni and lived in his flat. He had a very well paid job whereas she kept going from job to job. He used to say she didn`t need to work and we always felt he encouraged her just to quit. This effectively trapped her. She paid no rent, had become isolated from her friends and rarely had money. In the end her escape route was to take a job on the other side of the country. Even then she didn`t dump him until a long while later and it wasn`t pretty.
At first a lot of us would highlight what was going on but it made things worse. She lost a fair few friends because of her standing by him.
Agree Jake. It is an extremely difficult thing for people who have never experienced that type of evil controlling behaviour. And it is the most inherent evil by systematically removing a persons right for free will or thinking. It takes a lot of courage to get away from such a life and the fact she apparently recorded it was probably the only way she could think of how to deal with it. We can never truly understand what happens in such situations and should be patient and available for the victims when their story unfolds. Unfortunately many of the people impacted by this type of behaviour are mentally scarred for life and can not return to the person they were. It is really very sad that this happens.
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Tue 1 Feb 17:22
Further arrested on threats to kill.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 1 Feb 17:23
Oh Dear ^^^
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 1 Feb 18:04
Another guy who doesn`t know the first rule of holes.
When you reach the bottom, stop digging!
Not your average Sunday League player.
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