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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 20 Jan 16:32
They are building the new Deposit Plant next to my local Aldi and it says on the poster 20p deposit .. Scotland has included glass bottles but not England ??
Post Edited (Fri 20 Jan 16:35)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 20 Jan 18:40
Is this ran by Aldi itself? The Lidl I go to has had a deposit return machine running for quite a while now.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 20 Jan 19:16
I think it is a government scheme towk .. no idea how it works or what 20p gets you .. Aldi probably get a cut as its on their land maybe ?
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 20 Jan 20:26
They run a similar scheme in Finland where all businesses over a certain size that sells the products whose packaging has deposits are required to provide space for the machines.
The scheme seems to work well there and is used mainly by folk who are struggling or young folk looking to make pocket money - people generally leave the deposit redeemable bottles next to bins in public and people who want to make a few euros gather them up and take them to the supermarket. I didn`t use the machine myself but it seemed to be a simple case of dropping the bottles in, their bar codes are read, and the machine prints out a receipt that you take to the checkout where you receive the cash.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 20 Jan 21:22
Cheers Wotsit .. can remember as a boy collecting all the ginger/lemonade bottles to get money back from the shops ..
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: PARanoid_Android
Date: Fri 20 Jan 21:57
20p deposit on every metal, plastic and glass single use drinks containers from August. You get the deposit returned via Reverse Vending Machines which will give you a receipt/voucher to use against your next shop and is what the major supermarkets will be establishing in their car parks etc. In smaller settings and retailers it will be manual return. Government scheme which is probably the biggest social behaviour change since the smoking ban, full details here
Post Edited (Fri 20 Jan 22:01)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 21 Jan 08:29
I did not realise that the 20p was added on to the product first and then if you can be bothered take it to the shop .. scan it and get your 20p back
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 21 Jan 08:34
Not keen on the "to use against your next shop" bit.
What if folk want to spend their money on, say, paying their phone bill, or anything else not generally sold in supermarkets?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 Jan 09:10
Quote:
Wotsit, Sat 21 Jan 08:34
Not keen on the "to use against your next shop" bit.
What if folk want to spend their money on, say, paying their phone bill, or anything else not generally sold in supermarkets?
Then spend the deposit money in the shop and use the money in your wallet/bank to pay the phone bill.
The likes of Lidl and Aldi aren`t doing this out the goodness of their hearts. They want to keep you coming back in.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 21 Jan 09:21
Where do you put the bottles ? .. will it be like the bottle bank .. after scanning do you smash them ? .. or is the idea to re-use them ?
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Topic Originator: PARanoid_Android
Date: Sat 21 Jan 10:37
The bottles go into the machine for recycling, or are handed back to retailer. They are then collected and the retailer given the deposit for that material. The 20p `floats` around the system/supply chain from producer right through to consumer.
Post Edited (Sat 21 Jan 10:38)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 Jan 10:49
Lidl in Kirkcaldy has one. Looks like the bottles just get put in like a bottle bank and it goes down a conveyor belt.
Does it matter what bottles they are? Like could you take a Lidl fizzy water bottle to Aldi?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 21 Jan 10:56
Quote:
jake89, Sat 21 Jan 09:10
Quote:
Wotsit, Sat 21 Jan 08:34
Not keen on the "to use against your next shop" bit.
What if folk want to spend their money on, say, paying their phone bill, or anything else not generally sold in supermarkets?
Then spend the deposit money in the shop and use the money in your wallet/bank to pay the phone bill.
The likes of Lidl and Aldi aren`t doing this out the goodness of their hearts. They want to keep you coming back in.
That`s not the point. It is a deposit, people essentially paid them to "rent" the bottle. It`s not like Aldi is donating 20p per bottle out of kindness - they will be charging people 20p extra to buy the product: 20p of the customer`s cash.
Besides which, in case you hadn`t noticed, many people, maybe even most, often don`t have cash in their wallet these days.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
Post Edited (Sat 21 Jan 10:57)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 Jan 11:29
Ah, I`ve read up on it now and it`s effectively circular. You pay 20p, it goes into a big fund, you get 20p back and they claim that 20p back from the big fund.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 21 Jan 14:24
Lorna Slater is running this. She was the one running oot of the chamber on Thursday when a point of order was raised about her misleading Parliament on Scottish renewable energy estimates.
It is a repeatedly delayed much amended shambles of a scheme which may never even survive at all
Post Edited (Sat 21 Jan 14:34)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 Jan 16:36
Sounds like this is an awful lot like the glass bottles you used to take back for 30p.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 21 Jan 17:14
I`ve done this in Denmark but at quiet times with not much to return. The machine was quite slow as I recall.
With a family of 5 I`d guess we`ll have a dozen cans, 6 plastic bottles and a couple of glass bottles a week to return. How will the machines at supermarkets handle the volume at peak times I wonder?
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Sat 21 Jan 18:41
Remember as a kid getting into the pictures with jam jars.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 21 Jan 19:11
Topic Originator: donj like
Date: Sat 21 Jan 18:41
Remember as a kid getting into the pictures with jam jars.
donji .. either you are 80+ or you threw them at the windaes to get in :-))
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Mon 27 Feb 17:52
This scheme is a farce and not viable
The only people to profit are the companies making the returns equipment. How do they get paid ?
All it`s going to do is ramp up everyone`s cost of shopping.
If I`m in a cafe or pub and get a tin of iron brew, will I get charged 20p and have to take it home to be recycled ?
I recycle all my tins, bottles, plastic. That`s a nice simple solution
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 27 Feb 19:55
I don`t know the ins and outs of it but do know that in Canada it`s common to see beggars collecting bottles and cans because they get money back for them.
It`s not really much different to how the old Barr`s bottles worked years ago, surely?
A simpler solution would be to encourage us all to stop being so manky! Every time I take the dog out I am astonished by all the cans (usually Monster Energy) and bottles dumped on the street. Go to mainland Europe or somewhere like Australia and it`s much cleaner. Our streets are a disgrace and you can`t blame it all on the council. People are just manky!
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Mon 27 Feb 20:06
will it stop people dumping rubbish on the streets etc. ? I`m not so sure.
yes indeed there used to be a bottle return, was it 10p on a bottle.
there was a reason they stopped it, wasn`t viable?
think things will be dearer because somebody has to pay for it (if you pay 20p and get 20p back). maybe they are relying on people just binning their tins/bottles and so everything will just be 20p dearer :o)
Aldi 6 bottles water £1.19. 20p on top is now £2.39
or do I have that wrong,
yes, you perhaps manage to get your bottles returned, but you need some large bins/bags to store all this
just now it`s stored in an outside recycle bin for the council to pick up - and I guess that begs another question about the cost to the council for recyclying :o)
can see the debate going on for a while
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Mon 27 Feb 20:38
I`ve used the system in Denmark and it worked well enough.
Like you Brian, it won`t make me recycle more because I do it already. We go though quite a lot of drinks cans and apart from a £10 pack of diet coke becoming nearly £15, I can see the queue now at the supermarkets at peak times while people get rid of their stuff. It rips my knitting as it is having to waste time swiping the qr key fob in Tesco 6 times, as it was yesterday, for it to refuse to release the scan as you shop handset.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 28 Feb 01:51
Charity bins will be popping up everywhere and some might not be charities ;(
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 28 Feb 08:52
I suspect those who live near the border will not be much bothered - anecdotal stories about punters who buy their alcohol in Berwick etc. to avoid the minimum unit price - now similar option to bodyswerve the desposit scheme.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 28 Feb 09:25
...or buy in Berwick and return in Scotland.
Will they be able to tell if a deposit has been paid? Can we start hoarding them now?
I`d have thought there`d be new labelling but it would have to be Scotland specific and I can`t see that happening for much of what we currently have access to.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Tue 28 Feb 10:56
How many 20ps would I need to make the journey worthwhile?
I get about 35 to the gallon
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 28 Feb 13:14
Surprised some see this scheme as non viable when it works perfectly well in Europe.
When I was in Germany, I`d save all my bottles and cans till end of the month and get a receipt for around 30 euros to buy more drinks.
It is better for the environment and means you are less likely to overfill your bins at home.
People of my generation will, of course, remember the glass bottle return scheme in the 70`s and 80`s which was done differently but much the same in essence.
Are folks saying they are just too lazy to do this when it is proven to be beneficial to the planet?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 28 Feb 13:31
I used to go hunting for discarded juice bottles in fields when I was a wee lad.
3p per bottle.
I could buy a fair whack of sweets at the corner shop on William Street/Pittencrieff Street with 9p
Happy days
It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 28 Feb 13:54
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Tue 28 Feb 13:14
Are folks saying they are just too lazy to do this when it is proven to be beneficial to the planet?
Going by the number of water bottles discarded,
Aye!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 28 Feb 14:17
Everyone seems to pay lip service to `net zero` but when it comes to the crunch it always seems to be a case of kicking the can down the road (sorry!).
The latest suggestion is that we should delay our scheme until the UK scheme is introduced. Why can`t the UK bring their scheme forward?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 28 Feb 15:04
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 28 Feb 14:17
Everyone seems to pay lip service to `net zero` but when it comes to the crunch it always seems to be a case of kicking the can down the road (sorry!).
The latest suggestion is that we should delay our scheme until the UK scheme is introduced. Why can`t the UK bring their scheme forward?
Possibly because neither are anywhere near ready?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 28 Feb 16:51
Why not?
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Topic Originator: Cleveland12
Date: Thu 2 Mar 10:58
Embarrassed by the number of grown adults online getting their knickers in a twist about this scheme. It`s clearly sensible, easy to do and works right across Europe and Canada. PARanoid_Android is right, it`s about changing behaviours.
Glad most on here have fond memories of collecting bottles when they were wee like me.
Also, buying multipack bottles of water is mental behaviour. One reusable metal or plastic bottle and delicious Fife water - available from any tap. Job done
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 2 Mar 12:34
Quote:
Cleveland12, Thu 2 Mar 10:58[/]
Also, buying multipack bottles of water is mental behaviour. One reusable metal or plastic bottle and delicious Fife water - available from any tap. Job done
Never was a problem till bottled water came about, as you say Scottish water is lovely, cannot say the same about South of the border with the crap that`s getting dumped in their rivers.
Feargal Sharkey leading the campaign!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 2 Mar 12:50
Apparently the `hard` water down south actually has health benefits that our water up here doesn`t have. Something about the minerals, which is what gives it a different taste, having positive effects on cardiovascular health.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 2 Mar 13:31
I remember "chewing " a glass of water in the 70`s down in London 🤯😱
Post Edited (Thu 02 Mar 13:32)
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 2 Mar 14:18
Yeah I`d only bought bottles of water for going to play 5s prior to moving to London and used to think folk never really needed to pay for bottles but the stuff down there is rank rotten so it became one of the first things in the shopping basket.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 2 Mar 14:40
None if the three FM candidates are happy about it.
Kate Forbes in particular, says it will cause economic carnage.
Yet the mad Canadian bat pays no attention
Post Edited (Thu 02 Mar 14:42)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 2 Mar 16:28
I didn`t realise this also includes drinks cans as well.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 2 Mar 16:41
At our Bowling club ,all the bottles and cans are taken to our local recycling center by wheelbarrow.
We will now have to store cans and bottles,untill we have to take them by car to the nearest deposit machine , it only takes ones with complete bar code s and not damaged cans , so we may only get money back on half the bottles and cans ,then have to take back the useless ones , or if you are not fussed chuck them in the nearest ditch .
Sledge hammer for a nut ,comes to mind ,most folk who litter aren`t going to hang on to a bottle/can to get 20p back ,so they will still end up as waste .
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 2 Mar 21:45
The kind of genius who thinks it`s acceptable to throw a tin of Monster out his white van window or empty plastic bottle of Fanta out his Corsa window is not going to care one jot that it will cost him 20p more and will continue to do things the way they`ve always done.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 2 Mar 22:01
Sadly that’s true da, and don’t think anything would immediately change their behaviour - but like any social change, if you change the behaviour of those around them, then after time who knows
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 7 Mar 07:36
Our CirculaiityScatland ( that’s how it sounds when she screeches it) Minister has now sent a formal internal market exemption request to Westminster.
I’m sure she has said repeatedly in Holyrood that she or Sturgeon had already made a request, and has repeatedly bad mouthed Alistair Jack for saying otherwise.
Can we expect to see this windmill arm waving nut case done for misleading Parliament?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 7 Mar 07:51
DRS has been discussed for almost 2 years now. It`s all in public record too.
Starting to think I could get a job at the Herald given how poor their journalism has become.
When will Holyrood get a response about the GRA?
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 7 Mar 08:49
It’s all over the news.
Blethering about the scheme but not seeking approval, blaming Jack for not responding to a request that was never made, 600 companies refusing to sigh up…just another Nat fiasco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 7 Mar 09:49
Formal request would only come late on when details are confirmed. Standard practice.
The proposed DRS is a result of a bill passed in Westminster over two years ago. It should be of no surprise to Westminster. TBH if any minister claims otherwise I`d be genuinely worried about what else they`re unaware of!
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 13 Mar 15:49
Looks like Scots businesses could have some good news soon!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 13 Mar 16:00
What`s that? That they can continue to trash the planet?
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Mon 13 Mar 22:36
£57 million in a year
that`s what the compamy implementing it expect to make from people who don`t want to return their bottles cans.
no wonder they are so keen on it.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 13 Mar 23:47
If there`s genuinely £57 million quids worth of laziness in Scotland when it comes to recycling then that company deserves to be taking money off the jake balls.
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Topic Originator: sintv
Date: Tue 14 Mar 09:22
Years ago Grundig had a scheme where you bought a TV and got your money back after 5 years via your receipt. Less than 10% claimed back and we`re talking £3 - 500 at that time.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 14 Mar 10:40
There will be recycling scheme, a Uk wide one!
Cue fury and and…nothing really
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 14 Mar 10:41
Where do we think the cans and bottles that can`t be scanned will end up ?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 14 Mar 10:53
Quote:
Parboiled, Tue 14 Mar 10:40
There will be recycling scheme, a Uk wide one!
Cue fury and and…nothing really
So the scheme that is "unworkable" in Scotland will magically work in the UK...genius.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 14 Mar 11:18
Why couldn`t the UK scheme be brought forward? It`s almost as if Westminster doesn`t want to be seen to be following Scotland`s lead.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 17 Mar 12:43
Interesting criticism that it`ll hit those in rural areas and the elderly who won`t be easily able to get to return points. Call me stupid, but if the return points are typically at the shop you purchase the bottle/can from, surely you could simply return them the next time you visit that shop?
Aldi seem to be putting in return units at both their Halbeath road and Duloch outlets already.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 17 Mar 14:19
Scotland’s lead ho ho..the only lead Sturgeon ever managed was leading the easily led dimwits up and doon the garden path!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 17 Mar 15:26
I see Starmer is accusing the SNP of lurching to the right. Has he got no self-awareness as well as no charisma?
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Mon 20 Mar 00:07
The chief executive of a company that is overseeing Scotland’s bottle deposit scheme will receive a salary of £300,000, it has been reported.
David Harris and other executives at Circularity Scotland will receive a combined £670,000 in annual salary and fees.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 20 Mar 07:41
I’m sure the Canadian Goosie will be honking her silly heid off when asked about this
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