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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Fri 15 Sep 15:06
Because nothing says "Product Of Scotland" like emblazoning the tin with the ̶b̶u̶t̶c̶h̶e̶r̶`̶s̶ ̶a̶p̶r̶o̶n̶ union flag...... :-)
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Fri 15 Sep 15:22
Quote:
Ormiston_Par, Fri 15 Sep 15:06
Because nothing says "Product Of Scotland" like emblazoning the tin with the ̶b̶u̶t̶c̶h̶e̶r̶`̶s̶ ̶a̶p̶r̶o̶n̶ union flag...... :-)
What’s the issue? It’s a British product.
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Fri 15 Sep 15:40
I didn`t say there was an issue?
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Fri 15 Sep 15:48
Well, the price tag does say "Scottish flag tin", but that`s the shop.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 15 Sep 16:17
Maybe I`m wrong - but is Nicky Walker not a director at the family firm these days - and him capped for Scotland ?
Mind you, if it sells shortbread tins ................................
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 15 Sep 16:32
I think with all the highlighted drug deaths .. drink deaths .. vapes .. suppressed climate report .. et al .. it might not be a good idea to have the Scottish flag on the tin .. :-))
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: JamesAndrew74
Date: Fri 15 Sep 16:42
Quote:
Ormiston_Par, Fri 15 Sep 15:40
I didn`t say there was an issue?
That’s good. Think it looks great and they taste great.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 15 Sep 17:00
What`s next? British pies instead of Scotch pies? British eggs instead of Scotch eggs? British whisky instead of Scotch whisky?
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Fri 15 Sep 18:56
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Fri 15 Sept 15:22
What’s the issue? It’s a British product.
Actually, having thought more about this I`m going to have to pick you up on that assertion.
Shortbread dates back to (at latest) the 16th century (its invention often attributed to Mary Queen Of Scots), however it may actually trace its roots back as far as the 12th century.
The Kingdom of Great Britain wasn`t founded until the 18th century (1707 to be precise), and therefore did not exist when Shortbread was first invented, some 100+ years prior.
On what basis therefore, should it be considered a British product rather than a Scottish product?
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 15 Sep 18:59
Scotch eggs aren’t Scottish.
According to Wikipedia, they may have originally been called "scorch" eggs.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 15 Sep 19:12
‘The Kingdom of Great Britain wasn`t founded until the 18th century (1707 to be precise), and therefore did not exist’
Aye, but the island of Britain existed several thousand years before the invention of shortie.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 15 Sep 19:12
OK, let`s leave it at Scotch pies and Scotch whisky. Are they going to be rebranded to promote our precious union?
What about the great English breakfast or Welsh rarebit? Are they safe?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Fri 15 Sep 19:48
It seems Welsh Rarebit isn’t Welsh.
According to wiki, "Welsh" was probably used as a pejorative dysphemism. I had to look that up but I think it means p***-take.
Scotch whisky is indeed safe as it’s a protected Geographical Indication, but I think Scotch Pies could be up for grabs.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 15 Sep 20:22
1. Those tins have been around for at least 4 or 5 years
2. You still get a Saltire one.
3. It`s likely the Saltire ones sold out already.
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Fri 15 Sep 22:02
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Fri 15 Sept 19:12
Aye, but the island of Britain existed several thousand years before the invention of shortie.
Im going to be kind and say only that the above is a flawed argument. You`re conveniently mixing geography and politics to suit a very particular agenda.
The Island of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Great Britain are two different entities - the former is geographical and the latter is political. This is important.
The nationality of something cannot be derived from geography alone, and indeed one could argue compellingly that in fact it can ONLY be derived from the political entity in which it originated.
It`s like saying something from Norway or Sweden is "Scandinavian". Correct in as much as that`s the geographic region in which it originated, but "Scandinavian" is not a nationality.
Same basic principle applies here. Shortbread may have originated on the British Isles, but that doesn`t make it British by nationality - no such nation existed at the time.
Would you describe someone from Dublin "British" on the basis that they come from one of the British Isles? I doubt it.
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
Post Edited (Fri 15 Sep 22:03)
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Fri 15 Sep 22:13
I don`t understand why they would do this from a marketing perspective.
Shortbread is much more attractive internationally as a Scottish product. Where in the world would this appeal more than the Scottish version? Ibrox maybe?
Putting marketing to one side, why as a company, would they do this unless it was to makea political statement?
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Fri 15 Sep 23:06
Spot the difference
It won`t appeal to everyone but there are plenty of different packaging for shortbread. Not everything has to be political. GB has been around for a long time now.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 15 Sep 23:50
Quote:
jake89, Fri 15 Sep 20:22
1. Those tins have been around for at least 4 or 5 years
2. You still get a Saltire one.
[B]3. It`s likely the Saltire ones sold out already.
We could really help turnout at the next independence referendum by having walkers shortbread support it. Rather than boring paper votes in ballot boxes at community centres and schools, have these places stocked with free saltire or union jack printed tins of tasty shortbread. The one that more people choose is the winner. Proxy referendum with 100% turnout guaranteed.
* Apart from the gluten free people who will just have to move
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 16 Sep 00:39
In which part of Scotland did they grow the sugarcane necessary for the production of shortie.😂
Post Edited (Sat 16 Sep 08:08)
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Sat 16 Sep 08:17
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Sat 16 Sept 00:39
In which part of Scotland did they grow the sucarcane necessary for the production of shortie.😂
Sugar beet is used for UK sugar production mainly from England 🤫. Not sure what Walkers use but you don`t have to use sugarcane.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 16 Sep 08:54
Quote:
Ormiston_Par, Fri 15 Sep 18:56
Quote:
JamesAndrew74, Fri 15 Sept 15:22
What’s the issue? It’s a British product.
Actually, having thought more about this I`m going to have to pick you up on that assertion.
Shortbread dates back to (at latest) the 16th century (its invention often attributed to Mary Queen Of Scots), however it may actually trace its roots back as far as the 12th century.
The Kingdom of Great Britain wasn`t founded until the 18th century (1707 to be precise), and therefore did not exist when Shortbread was first invented, some 100 years prior.
On what basis therefore, should it be considered a British product rather than a Scottish product?
The formation of the United Kingdom of Scotland and England was 1603.
Queen Anne, last of the Stuarts, had been monarch of “Great Britain” for a few years by 1707.
Post Edited (Sat 16 Sep 08:58)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 16 Sep 09:09
In the 1960s, a successful "Buy British" campaign encouraged customers to buy domestically produced goods. I think it was launched in reaction to the devaluation of the pound.
I wonder if there are moves afoot by the likes of the Confederation of British Industry to launch a similar campaign post-Brexit? Perhaps Walkers are ahead of the game, and the Union Flag will appear on many products.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 16 Sep 10:21
I`ve got to admit, I would never consider buying a product like this. I do like to buy locally, but would never buy something from a Scottish company marketed as a british product.
I would always try and buy the most local product I could get however. If faced with potatoes labelled as grown in Fife or grown in Angus, I`m going for Fife. If it was a piece of lamb from Shropshire with a St George Cross plastered over it, then I`m picking that over a bit of New Zealand lamb. I don`t have a problem with products being labelled "Made In England", I`m buying them over things made in Bangladesh/ Thialand/ China everytime. I do however dislike things covered in the Union Flag, and it will put me of buying it.
I have seen myself stop off at a corner shop and leave to go elsewhere when all they had left was a loaf of Hovis covered in the butchers apron.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 16 Sep 10:56
Jings, you must start your weekend shopping on a Monday
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 16 Sep 11:14
After the horse meat scandal, we should be pretty sceptical about any ‘country of origin’ labelling.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 16 Sep 11:21
I find it quite ridiculous that Farmfoods can sell a chicken from Brazil cheaper than one from up the road.
I`m not too fussed about flags on food but I do like the Saltire as it gives me a quick indication of it being locally sourced.
Veering massively off topic, but I`d like it if supermarkets would stick to seasonal produce rather than importing tasteless fruit and veg from abroad. I think everyone can accept that a strawberry in July from Fife tastes better than a strawberry in January from Marrakech.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sat 16 Sep 11:28
I assume the Union Jack tins are mostly for tourists, but I was at the Walkers factory recently up in Aberlour. Its not far from Royal Deeside and is easily the most `British` part of Scotland I`ve been to. None of your Irish politics crap like in Glasgow though.
I did buy a tonne of broken shortbread in the factory shop, but declined the tins with the King on them.
A lot of Scottish people love the Royals and feel British, especially the generation that like to devour shortbread...
Post Edited (Sat 16 Sep 11:30)
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Sat 16 Sep 12:10
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 16 Sept 08:54
The formation of the United Kingdom of Scotland and England was 1603.
The union of the crowns did not change the status of Scotland or England as independent nations. All it did was unite them under the same monarch.
The United Kingdom Of Great Britain wasn`t established as a political entity until the Act Of Union in 1707, at which point a centralised UK government was created and sat for the first time.
Between 1603 and 1707, Scotland and England were still separate kingdoms, albeit sharing the same monarch.
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 16 Sep 12:58
If Mary QOS popularised shortie, then that would make it French - n’est pas?
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Sat 16 Sep 13:16
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Sat 16 Sept 12:58
If Mary QOS popularised shortie, then that would make it French - n’est pas?
If she herself invented it, perhaps - but there`s no evidence to suggest that`s the case.
Popularising something is not the same as inventing it.
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 16 Sep 14:05
Well to be fair it was you yourself that stated that the invention of shortbread was attributed to Mary Queen of Scots. Alas like you now say there is no evidence to support your original statement.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 16 Sep 14:37
Quote:
Ormiston_Par, Sat 16 Sep 12:10
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 16 Sept 08:54
The formation of the United Kingdom of Scotland and England was 1603.
The union of the crowns did not change the status of Scotland or England as independent nations. All it did was unite them under the same monarch.
The United Kingdom Of Great Britain wasn`t established as a political entity until the Act Of Union in 1707, at which point a centralised UK government was created and sat for the first time.
Between 1603 and 1707, Scotland and England were still separate kingdoms, albeit sharing the same monarch.
The United Kingdom was established 1603 - the clue is in the title.
Great Britain is an alternative geographical description for the two main islands which constitute the British Isles.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 16 Sep 15:06
Nope, the UK was established in 1707 but Scotland was ruled from London from 1603.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 16 Sep 15:40
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Sat 16 Sept 00:39
In which part of Scotland did they grow the sugarcane necessary for the production of shortie.😂
They could have used good old fashioned Scottish beet sugar.
Plus, would Jamaican sugar have made it more British but less Scottish somehow
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Sat 16 Sep 15:48
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 16 Sept 14:05
Well to be fair it was you yourself that stated that the invention of shortbread was attributed to Mary Queen of Scots. Alas like you now say there is no evidence to support your original statement.
Semantics. While she is often credited with its invention, there`s absolutely no concrete evidence to support that as fact. I also stated earlier that shortbread might actually be traced all the way back to the 12th century, but equally no hard evidence of that either.
What isn`t in doubt is that the invention of shortbread pre-dates the establishment of the United Kingdom as a political entity, which is rather the crux of the argument.
likely, if there were any element of truth to that it would have been one of her cooks who actually came up with it, rather than Mary doll herself.
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
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Topic Originator: Ormiston_Par
Date: Sat 16 Sep 15:57
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 16 Sept 14:37
The United Kingdom was established 1603 - the clue is in the title.
Great Britain is an alternative geographical description for the two main islands which constitute the British Isles.
I realise you`re a boomer and probably have a hard time dealing with younger generations contradicting you, but both of those statements are totally incorrect.
The union of the crowns did not create the United Kingdom as a political entity - both Scotland and England carried on for over 100 years as separate states who shared the same monarch. Domestic and foreign policies were conducted by the Scottish and English governments respectively. That changed in 1707 when the act of union established a UK parliament.
As for the term "Great Britain" - that name applies only to the larger of the two main islands that comprise the British Isles - the other of course being Ireland. Try telling your Irish "left footer" chums they come from Great Britain and let us know how that turns out for you :-)
The artist formerly known as KGB / Slim Hoolie
Post Edited (Sat 16 Sep 15:58)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 16 Sep 16:19
Crumbs !! I don`t want to point the finger but theres a few petticoat tales on this thread :-))
Post Edited (Sat 16 Sep 16:24)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 16 Sep 16:42
Indeed - GB omits Ireland, the whole island, my bad.
So says Ordnance Survey, and they are the ultimate authority on such matters.
As Nigel Tranter observed, James VI moved his border from the Tweed to the English Channel in 1603, thereby creating the UK - the political union came later.
I`ve always taken "boomer" as a slang name for a ballistic missile submarine.
I have no Irish "left footer" chums - only Jocks !!!
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 16 Sep 17:31
“Boomer” is an insult the young people use when they encounter an older, wiser person who has read more books then they have.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 16 Sep 17:57
I’ll admit to older ……….but no more.
Post Edited (Sat 16 Sep 17:57)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 16 Sep 19:13
Boomers are just people born from the mid 40s to mid 60s who are characterised in the media as the eejits that think not going to Costa and cancelling your Netflix will get you a deposit for a house in 6 months.
They are in contrast to those avo toast eating, woke, snowflake millennials.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 16 Sep 21:53
Post deleted .. drunk old fart being abusive to another poster
Post Edited (Sun 17 Sep 08:29)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 16 Sep 23:20
I suggest you read his post again BP.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 16 Sep 23:22
Hoping you`re being funny, BPP.
If you`re not, you might want to look out your reading specs and re-read my post, ya old fart 😂
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Sun 17 Sep 01:03
Back on topic. Walker’s shortbread is lowland league (pretty much a biscuit) in comparison to the Premiership Chrystal’s shortbread. In Whisky terms, Walker’s would be a stinking blend like High Commissioner compared to an expensive 37 year old Bowmore that would be worthy of dunking a piece of Chrystal’s in.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 17 Sep 01:32
Dunk shortbread in whisky??? PAH! I`ve heard it all now...
:)
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Topic Originator: answer
Date: Sun 17 Sep 06:44
The United Kingdom is from 1801.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 17 Sep 08:25
Too much whisky jake .. makes me go rage .. apologies
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 17 Sep 08:55
Quote:
jake89, Sat 16 Sep 19:13
Boomers are just people born from the mid 40s to mid 60s who are characterised in the media as the eejits that think not going to Costa and cancelling your Netflix will get you a deposit for a house in 6 months.
They are in contrast to those avo toast eating, woke, snowflake millennials.
Did you just call me an avo toast eating, woke, snowflake millenial?!?! 😂
How on earth has a post on shortbread descended into this chaos?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 17 Sep 11:28
You`re a drunk boomer, BPP 😂
The comment about millennials was also tongue in cheek so take your leased white Mercedes for an iced latte to cool yourself down, Dave!
Post Edited (Sun 17 Sep 11:28)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 17 Sep 12:29
Its a hobby jake ..I passed all my chemistry exams and I love experimenting turning beer whisky and red wine into urine :-))
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 17 Sep 13:22
The United Kingdom (UK) came into being through a series of acts of union between the kingdoms of England and Scotland, followed by the inclusion of Ireland and later Northern Ireland. Here are the key dates:
The Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland were united into a single entity called the Kingdom of Great Britain by the Act of Union 1707, which came into effect on May 1, 1707.
The Kingdom of Ireland was merged with the Kingdom of Great Britain to create the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland through the Act of Union 1800. This union took effect on January 1, 1801.
However, in 1922, following the Irish War of Independence, most of Ireland gained independence and became the Irish Free State (now known as the Republic of Ireland). As a result, the UK was renamed the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which is its current official name. This change occurred on December 6, 1922.
So, the modern United Kingdom, in its current form with England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, came into being on December 6, 1922, with the establishment of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
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