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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 21 May 15:25
51% of those who participated in the Scottish census say they do not follow any religion. That’s up 14% since the last one.
The COE must really be struggling as nobody identifies as English in the ethnicity section..oh wait, that wasn’t an option!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 21 May 16:09
"White - Other British" includes England.
CofE would be the Episcopal church.
Glad to help.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 21 May 16:20
Other British is not a nationality.
The options in this botched up cocked up late census were loaded.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 21 May 16:22
..by late I mean later than all other parts of the UK. Scot Covid to blame..
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 21 May 16:27
Wait until you hear about "Other Asian" 😱
Get back to watching GB News and reading the Daily Mail!
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 21 May 16:30
Religion is dying out? Good
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 21 May 17:07
Quote:
Andrew283, Tue 21 May 16:30
Religion is dying out? Good
It isn`t dying.
If a cup is on a table and an increasing number of people decide, they don`t want to believe the cup is on the table.
The cup is still on the table.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 21 May 17:21
If a cup is on a table and an increasing number of people decide, they don`t want to believe the cup is on the table.
If.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 21 May 20:08
Quote:
Wotsit, Tue 21 May 17:21
If a cup is on a table and an increasing number of people decide, they don`t want to believe the cup is on the table.
If.
:)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 21 May 20:13
Anybody that doesn’t recognise that religion is a large part of the worlds political issues regarding war/race/LGBTQ etc is living under a rock.
The sooner more people become atheist non believers the world will become a much better place.
Just my opinion mind you……
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 21 May 21:07
Quote:
PARrot, Tue 21 May 17:07
Quote:
Andrew283, Tue 21 May 16:30
Religion is dying out? Good
It isn`t dying.
If a cup is on a table and an increasing number of people decide, they don`t want to believe the cup is on the table.
The cup is still on the table.
There is no cup on the table
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 21 May 22:24
Quote:
red-star-par, Tue 21 May 21:07
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PARrot, Tue 21 May 17:07
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Andrew283, Tue 21 May 16:30
Religion is dying out? Good
It isn`t dying.
If a cup is on a table and an increasing number of people decide, they don`t want to believe the cup is on the table.
The cup is still on the table.
There is no cup on the table
Someone beat you to it.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 22 May 05:49
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 21 May 20:13
Anybody that doesn’t recognise that religion is a large part of the worlds political issues regarding war/race/LGBTQ etc is living under a rock.
The sooner more people become atheist non believers the world will become a much better place.
Just my opinion mind you……
Actually, you`re right and wrong at the same time, Dave. 🤔
I think all the main world religions stipulate love and tolerance of others. Where it all goes pear shaped is the way that some fanatical zealots apply their own warped interpretations to their religions to justify acts which no religion condones.
A couple of examples.
Do you think religion is to blame for Russia`s invasion of Ukraine?
And how about Israel`s destruction of Gaza? Isn`t one of the Ten Commandments "Thou shalt not kill"?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 22 May 09:28
The Old Testament provides a number of examples of people killing with God`s explicit blessing. In fact, most of the times he Commands them!
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 22 May 09:39
Quote:
red-star-par, Tue 21 May 21:07
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PARrot, Tue 21 May 17:07
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Andrew283, Tue 21 May 16:30
Religion is dying out? Good
It isn`t dying.
If a cup is on a table and an increasing number of people decide, they don`t want to believe the cup is on the table.
The cup is still on the table.
There is no cup on the table
A pretend imaginary cup is on the table but people believe in there is one. Those people pour water into non existent cup and soak the table because there is no cup on the table. Shocked and stunned said daftys mutter some nonsense about faith and declare the water is actually in the cup and not dripping onto the floor - they refuse to believe otherwise despite their clothing and shoes being wet.
Without fail I think less of people who declare themselves to be religious. It’s a (barely) unconscious bias and I try to work on it as people should believe what they want. I just think they are incredibly stupid and therefore not to be relied upon
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 22 May 14:19
Some of the smartest people I know have faith. It`s definitely not about intelligence.
Religious faith could even be the most human characteristic of all, in the sense that there`s no human society that I`m aware of that hasn`t had some form of religious or spiritual tradition. There`s not much about human culture that`s as ubiquitous as belief.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
Post Edited (Wed 22 May 14:19)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 22 May 15:07
The problem I have is people confusing religious values with British/Scottish/English ones. Most of the people talking about these traditions haven`t been in church for decades yet still think Britain should be like an Enid Blyton novel. Same applies to our Celtic/Rangers supporting pals. Hate each other because of religion yet don`t go to church. Laughable.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 22 May 15:57
Quote:
P, Wed 22 May 09:39
Quote:
red-star-par, Tue 21 May 21:07
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PARrot, Tue 21 May 17:07
Quote:
Andrew283, Tue 21 May 16:30
Religion is dying out? Good
It isn`t dying.
If a cup is on a table and an increasing number of people decide, they don`t want to believe the cup is on the table.
The cup is still on the table.
There is no cup on the table
A pretend imaginary cup is on the table but people believe in there is one. Those people pour water into non existent cup and soak the table because there is no cup on the table. Shocked and stunned said daftys mutter some nonsense about faith and declare the water is actually in the cup and not dripping onto the floor - they refuse to believe otherwise despite their clothing and shoes being wet.
Without fail I think less of people who declare themselves to be religious. It’s a (barely) unconscious bias and I try to work on it as people should believe what they want. I just think they are incredibly stupid and therefore not to be relied upon
Seriously, that is up there with the most ignorant posts ever on this forum.
I`m sure you amused yourself with it though.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 22 May 16:16
My view is that faith has no place in conversation about truth.
Truth is, by definition, not the place for belief.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 22 May 17:41
Quote:
Wotsit, Wed 22 May 16:16
My view is that faith has no place in conversation about truth.
Truth is, by definition, not the place for belief.
But the Gospel is the truth
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 22 May 18:20
You`ve just given a perfect example of what I meant: you have misused the concept of "truth" there, and what you describe already has a very good word - "faith."
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: EastEndTales
Date: Wed 22 May 18:22
Quote:
PARrot, Wed 22 May 17:41
Quote:
Wotsit, Wed 22 May 16:16
My view is that faith has no place in conversation about truth.
Truth is, by definition, not the place for belief.
But the Gospel is the truth
What does that mean exactly?
Ep.17 of East End Tales is out now with Andrius Skerla
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1972630/15082607
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 22 May 21:51
Quote:
Wotsit, Wed 22 May 18:20
You`ve just given a perfect example of what I meant: you have misused the concept of "truth" there, and what you describe already has a very good word - "faith."
I have faith it`s the truth ;)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 22 May 22:01
That`s nice.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 22 May 22:33
It seems there are 2 separate questions - whether something is literally true, and whether it is useful.
So if I decide to give up crack cocaine for Lent, then that’s probably a good idea. And it’d be a good idea whether or not Jesus literally spent 40 days and nights in the desert.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 22 May 23:41
Quote:
Wotsit, Wed 22 May 22:01
That`s nice.
It`s nice to be nice.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Fri 24 May 10:59
"I have faith it`s the truth ;)"
so did George Michael ;)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 18 Jun 01:41
Most thinking people would come to the conclusion that there is some great mind involved in the existence of the universe. The complexity of our solar system, the sun`s rays, the watering of the earth with rain, causing crops to grow, the moon controlling the tides, the fine tuning of gravity, the air to breathe and our lungs perfectly designed to receive it. Some have suggested that because of minor anomalies that the designer is less than perfect, but consider the zillions of conditions that must be met for life to exist on earth. Is there a designer? Most certainly there is. Who is the designer and has He revealed Himself to those He says are created in His image? We are told that He is Spirit, infinite and eternal, uncreated, outwith time and space. He has given us a conscience and an ability to know Him and to relate to Him as our loving Father. As our maker, He loves us and wants us voluntarily to acknowledge Him, to get to know him Him and love Him back. True religion is not dead, it is very much alive. From time to time, it returns with a vengeance, as it did in Cambuslang, Kilsyth and Dundee in the mid 19th Century, the latter being centred in St. Peter`s church Dundee under the ministry of the Godly young minister Robert Murray McCheyne, when the church was packed out right up to the pulpit steps with many who were unfamiliar with churches weeping and hungering for God. The preaching was powerful, full of the Spirit of God and ordinary people`s lives were changed forever. When the service was over, they couldn`t wait for the next instalment. They were so hungry they met every day in small groups to pray with their friends. When they prayed, they were speaking directly to God and He was pouring His Spirit into their hearts. This was no cold religion, it was a vital relationship with their loving creator. Don`t be deluded that true religion will die out just pray with all your hearts that you will be part of the next great revival of the Christian faith and that God will open the door to your heart.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 18 Jun 03:02
Quote:
Paralex, Tue 18 Jun 01:41
Most thinking people would come to the conclusion that there is some great mind involved in the existence of the universe. The complexity of our solar system, the sun`s rays, the watering of the earth with rain, causing crops to grow, the moon controlling the tides, the fine tuning of gravity, the air to breathe and our lungs perfectly designed to receive it. Some have suggested that because of minor anomalies that the designer is less than perfect, but consider the zillions of conditions that must be met for life to exist on earth. Is there a designer? Most certainly there is. Who is the designer and has He revealed Himself to those He says are created in His image? We are told that He is Spirit, infinite and eternal, uncreated, outwith time and space. He has given us a conscience and an ability to know Him and to relate to Him as our loving Father. As our maker, He loves us and wants us voluntarily to acknowledge Him, to get to know him Him and love Him back. True religion is not dead, it is very much alive. From time to time, it returns with a vengeance, as it did in Cambuslang, Kilsyth and Dundee in the mid 19th Century, the latter being centred in St. Peter`s church Dundee under the ministry of the Godly young minister Robert Murray McCheyne, when the church was packed out right up to the pulpit steps with many who were unfamiliar with churches weeping and hungering for God. The preaching was powerful, full of the Spirit of God and ordinary people`s lives were changed forever. When the service was over, they couldn`t wait for the next instalment. They were so hungry they met every day in small groups to pray with their friends. When they prayed, they were speaking directly to God and He was pouring His Spirit into their hearts. This was no cold religion, it was a vital relationship with their loving creator. Don`t be deluded that true religion will die out just pray with all your hearts that you will be part of the next great revival of the Christian faith and that God will open the door to your heart.
Jokes forum for this nonsense.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Tue 18 Jun 03:27
Most thinking minds come to the conclusion that Christian mythology is simply another primitive attempt to understand the Universe. Only followers of the Abrahamic religions are arrogant enough to think they know everything.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 19 Jun 13:40
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Tue 18 Jun 03:27
Most thinking minds come to the conclusion that Christian mythology is simply another primitive attempt to understand the Universe. Only followers of the Abrahamic religions are arrogant enough to think they know everything.
Eh! No!
Now we know in part.
Soon, we will know everything.
I find atheism far more arrogant than most Christians I know.
The only people I know who claim to know it all are Donald Trump666 and Douglas Adams.
I think the latter is more credible.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 19 Jun 14:42
PARrot - followers of your mythology will always call Scientists and Atheists arrogant because they generally simply cannot comprehend the principals of modern science, which is inherently replicable. I`d be quite willing to bet that you have never studied a science beyond Scottish Higher level.
The likes of Kate Forbes, who obviously can`t comprehend simple High School level scientific concepts, are simply not fit for office and should not be permitted the opportunity to oppress others by insisting their archaic Disney book be used as a basis for legislative morals.
Your religion is poison and should be regarded with the same disdain as Nazism and Communism. Simple.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 19 Jun 15:31
Douglas Adams merely claimed to know the answer (42) but was unable to find the question.
Misinterpretation of sacred literature is disrespectful 😁
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:09
Quote:
Wotsit, Wed 19 Jun 15:31
Douglas Adams merely claimed to know the answer (42) but was unable to find the question.
Misinterpretation of sacred literature is disrespectful 😁
🤣
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:24
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Wed 19 Jun 14:42
PARrot - followers of your mythology will always call Scientists and Atheists arrogant because they generally simply cannot comprehend the principals of modern science, which is inherently replicable. I`d be quite willing to bet that you have never studied a science beyond Scottish Higher level.
The likes of Kate Forbes, who obviously can`t comprehend simple High School level scientific concepts, are simply not fit for office and should not be permitted the opportunity to oppress others by insisting their archaic Disney book be used as a basis for legislative morals.
Your religion is poison and should be regarded with the same disdain as Nazism and Communism. Simple.
Hm. It seems to me that you would deprive tens of millions of theists of their right to follow their beliefs.
Quite the potential dictator suggesting that someone who simply wants to enjoy his faith in peace, without ridicule, is a Nazi or a communist.
Some tasty language there, my friend.
You obviously have a fair measure of intelligence, but unfortunately, sorely lack in wisdom.
I haven`t studied the sciences beyond high school level.
There is no shortage of theists who have though. Most of them to a much higher level than you.
Einstein himself was a theist. He didn`t believe in the biblical God, but he made a point of saying one would be nuts not to believe in intelligent design.
Have you studied theology beyond high school level, or do you base your theories on knowing next to nothing about your target?
Maybe, instead of verbally assassinating Christians who can`t give you a satisfying debate due to their lack of knowledge regarding your expertise, you could research the opinions of some of the thousands of theists who share your scientific interests.
Post Edited (Wed 19 Jun 23:22)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 19 Jun 23:29
Funnily enough PARrot, I was Christened and was brought up with Christianity but rejected it quite early on. Both my Father and Grandfather were Church Elders.
I hold Masters degrees in Chemistry and Astrophysics, so I have studied science to a pretty high level. Beyond that you go to PhD where you specialise in a very specific topic rather than taking a general view. My specific topic would have been Spectroscopic Analysis, which is essentially doing the work of a camera manually and looking at IR, UV and Visible spectra to determine the chemical/atomic composition of stars, planets, nebulae and dust clouds. From there you can work back and see the age of stars, which ones are related, examine exoplanets that may support life and so on.
Out of interest and thanks to the Swedish system I`ve taken other courses in Japanese, Economics and History because I wanted to be more balanced instead of having a purely scientific background. Studying Theology would, frankly, be a waste of time.
The point about wisdom is an interesting one as it is quite often the religious who claim to have some sort of "wisdom", yet have no idea just how big our Universe actually is. If you could truly understand the scale of just the Visible Universe (i.e. that within 4.56Bn lightyears of Earth) then you would probably have the wisdom to realise that the likelihood of Christianity (or any of the other man-made religions) being "the truth" is infinitesimally small. Even moreso if you look at the modelling that tries to calculate how big the entire universe actually is or could be.
People are free to believe what they like, be that in Jesus and his delusions of grandeur or Mohammed and his teenage wives, but it should not be brought into the public and used in law-making. My son is half Japanese and his Mum follows Tenrikyo which is a type of Shintoism, the basic teachings of which are to take wisdom from those who came before you, respect nature and be humble. These are things that Christians and Muslims seem to forget all to easily and instead let ideology take over their life.
The likes of Kate Forbes should quite rightly be regarded with disdain for her views on gay marriage and she made it quite apparent that she would have used her position in office and voting power to force Christian morals on others. This is the problem with those who follow the Abrahamic religions and exactly the narrative that Paralex is trying to push. You only need to look at the Zionist and Evangelic lobbies in the US along with the Theocratic states in the Middle East to see the very real dangers of allowing religion to creep into the legislative process. That is why the Abrahamic religions are poison.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 20 Jun 00:30
Well, that is a lengthy response, and thanks for being much more civil.
Early rise tomorrow, so I`m off for a kip. I hope I can find time to respond (civily) tomorrow.
I might chuck in a few things that you will find quite difficult not to ridicule me for ;)
Post Edited (Thu 20 Jun 00:31)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Thu 20 Jun 21:41
Kate Forbes nor anyone else could force Christian morality on anyone. You may be thankful that you live in a democracy and that is largely due to Christian influence in the UK. You could live in an atheistic autocracy and just do as you`re told. Christian principles won`t be reestablished in our legal system unless a majority vote for it so you needn`t be alarmed on that score. You condemn Christians, who have studied Theology, (and who, believe it or not, may actually have some spiritual knowledge of the Divine) as being arrogant, as if your study of Science gives you the educational background to fulminate on the efficacy of Christian Theology. You seem to see yourself as a great reference point for everyone else and that because you threw over your family`s Christian faith, that must be the right thing for everyone else to do.
I`m glad we have the Kate Forbes` of this world, who are willing to stand fast for Christian morality. I am sure she is paying a heavy price for it.
How do you deduce that Christians are uneducated about the vastness of the universe?
The thing is, Hurricane Jimmy, you don`t need a PhD in Astro Physics nor Micro Biology, for that matter, to find a true relationship with God. He tells us that He hides Himself from those who consider themselves learned or wise and reveals Himself to those who are lowly in heart and who recognise their need for Him. The eyes of some simple, wee, old ladies I have come across shone with spiritual wisdom and their faces lit up with a deep love for God.
The great Architect of the Universe, vast beyond imagination, as it is, loves this tiny wee world so much that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. Don`t let your supposed massive intellect rob you of the love of God, your maker, for all eternity.
You seem to argue that because the universe is so vast, that a God who takes any notice of our tiny world can`t exist. No that only makes the God of all creation even more awesome in His power and love for people.
The "narrative that Paralex is trying to push" is about a man called Jesus, who claimed to be the Son of God. A ridiculous claim, if not true, and many millions throughout the world believe that to be true. It`s claimed that He died to atone for our sins and offers us forgiveness. He also said " Love your
neighbour as yourself", hardly a bad thing to do. Hurricane Jimmy, this is Good News, not the great evil you try to make it out to be and if true ( which many around the world have found it to be) it would be a criminal act not to spell it out to our perishing generation.
Post Edited (Fri 21 Jun 06:09)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 23 Jun 10:00
People can follow whatever beliefs they wish, but it should not directly influence their decision making. I was brought up going to church but I feel it taught me more about what is acceptable and normal behaviour rather than anything specifically religious. The church used to be a central part of the community but that`s long gone.
The faults of society nowadays are not the faults of religious belief. The majority of people in the UK (perhaps western world?) are selfish. People used to be respectful and have standards, which people often feel we`re British values. They weren`t. They were just common courtesy. So many people nowadays couldn`t give a crap about others. Tailgating in cars, making a racket at all hours, shoving in in queues, talking loudly, leaving gardens a complete tip etc etc.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Sun 23 Jun 19:33
I just find it strange people of every religion holds onto the med evil beliefs that was written in a book when nobody could really write or spell let alone make paper where all these beliefs were made🤷
Plus everyone is born with no religion but growing up made to believe through people to follow a god and what you do…
So your Catholic and have done a bad turn…..just go and meet the head boy, sit in a booth, tell him your sin and he says”Och your all good now” It’s mental how people believe in this?
Anyway I had to sort out my will and insurance for when i die so the kids don’t have anything financially to worry about 2 weeks ago and the lawyer thought I was joking when I said “just burn me up and tell the kids to spread my ashes anywhere they want as I’m not here. BUT when I spoke to my daughter she said “oh well you’ll not mind Ibrox then”😳
Mon the Pars!
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