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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 19 May 12:14
The Ukrainian deservedly established himself as the greatest heavyweight of his generation after outboxing Tyson Fury to become the undisputed champion. Incredibly it was a split decision when most objective observers would say that Usyk should have won on all scorecards by at least a couple of rounds.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 19 May 13:04
I had it close, the first few rounds could’ve really gone to any of them. Then Fury had an edge going through rounds 4, 5 and 6 but Usyk turned it on from 7 onwards and the knockdown made it all the more difficult.
Will be an intriguing rematch.
Agree Usyk was the deserved victor.
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Topic Originator: arpar
Date: Sun 19 May 13:47
Usyk deserved it for sure. There were a lot of close rounds though and not unreasonable that one judge had it slightly for Fury.
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Topic Originator: Neil_Philp
Date: Mon 20 May 15:57
Generational talent
Never seen Fury smacked about like that in the latter part of the fight.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 21 May 01:30
I thought Fury won the fight, but as others have said there were a lot of close rounds and I have no issue with anyone who had it for Usyk.
The IBF are about to make themselves an international laughing stock by stripping Usyk of their belt, making their strap utterly worthless. If Usyk is not "undisputed" then he certainly is undisputable by anyone who knows anything about boxing.
I`m not a fan of the rematch clause culture that has crept into boxing where you have to beat a man twice to win the match, but I certainly am looking forward to these two having a go at each other again.
Fury needs less fannying about if he is to improve on his performance from Saturday, he had it within his grasp and his need to showboat cost him dear.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Tue 21 May 15:57
The rematch clause is a win/win really for both fighters as it gives the champ a safety net if there was a freak result like Lewis V Hasim Rahman, likewise if it was a close fight like Saturday it makes sense for TV and the money it would bring in for a rematch as it`s what the punters want.
On the flip side i`m sure there have been other times where there was a rematch clause and it was never followed through on given how one sided the initial contest was - Naseem v Barerra springs ton mind.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 23 May 02:29
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Tue 21 May 15:57
The rematch clause is a win/win really for both fighters as it gives the champ a safety net if there was a freak result like Lewis V Hasim Rahman, likewise if it was a close fight like Saturday it makes sense for TV and the money it would bring in for a rematch as it`s what the punters want.
On the flip side i`m sure there have been other times where there was a rematch clause and it was never followed through on given how one sided the initial contest was - Naseem v Barerra springs ton mind.
Your arguement about a safety net for a freak result doesn`t hold water. The freak result can happen in the second fight not the first, so no safety net.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 23 May 11:08
Sorry SIF I`m not following you there. Why can the freak result not happen in the first fight? In my mind it can`t happen in the second fight as it wouldn`t then be a freak result if it had already happened once.
The example given was Lewis v Rahman. The result in the first fight was certainly an upset but if it happened again in the rematch I`m not sure it would have been.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 23 May 20:14
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The One Who Knocks, Thu 23 May 11:08
Sorry SIF I`m not following you there. Why can the freak result not happen in the first fight? In my mind it can`t happen in the second fight as it wouldn`t then be a freak result if it had already happened once.
The example given was Lewis v Rahman. The result in the first fight was certainly an upset but if it happened again in the rematch I`m not sure it would have been.
The first fight goes as expected, better fighter wins.
They are tied into a second fight due to these dumb contracts and freak result happens in the rematch. No safety net.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 24 May 00:02
Aye but then the crowd is invested and a trilogy is assured
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 21 Dec 23:37
Usyk out performs Fury once again to finally dispel any notion that the Ukrainian isn`t the greatest heavyweight of his generation.
I hope this doesn`t become a trilogy. Usyk has nothing left to prove fighting Fury again.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 21 Dec 23:53
I really don’t see a trilogy fight here. Fury tried loosing weight to keep up with him and got a hammering.
He went in heavy tonight, tried to lean on him and catch his body when he could. I think the fight was closer than 4 rounds but only because Fury shut a lot of it down and won a couple of the earlier rounds by a punch here and there
I don’t see what Fury could do next to Usyk?
He’s be better off taking a couple of pay days against Joshua. Usyk probably going to fight Dubois but he shouldn’t look past Parker
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 22 Dec 00:02
I had the fight a draw to be honest and wouldn’t complain if it went a round or two either way but by 4 is too far.
Thought Fury did well, maintained his distance and used his jab well, also used his weight and height advantage when necessary.
Think the big difference was Usyk finished the majority of rounds stronger which probably caught the eye of the judges more but thought Fury did better throughout majority of them.
Really depends what you’re assessing rounds on!
Usyk seemed to indicate Dubois rematch, prior to the fight he was contemplating going back to Cruiserweight, can’t see any better fights out there for him so he should just pack it in and retire as a great.
Fury said he’d carry on regardless of outcome but I’d rather see him retire now as well, would leave the HW division naff.
A Fury Joshua fight doesn’t interest me in the slightest
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 22 Dec 00:08
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Berry, Sun 22 Dec 00:02
I had the fight a draw to be honest and wouldn’t complain if it went a round or two either way but by 4 is too far.
Thought Fury did well, maintained his distance and used his jab well, also used his weight and height advantage when necessary.
Think the big difference was Usyk finished the majority of rounds stronger which probably caught the eye of the judges more but thought Fury did better throughout majority of them.
Really depends what you’re assessing rounds on!
That’s probably a pretty fair assessment but I do think Usyk landed a lot more punches. Had Usyk by a round or 2. 4 seems excessive to me.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 22 Dec 00:49
Usyk landed more punches than Fury in ten of the twelve rounds.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 22 Dec 10:00
I see Fury graciously and magnanimously accepted he was bested by the better boxer.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 22 Dec 11:11
Toys out the pram stuff from him and Frank Warren by looks of it - and typically biased British media as well 😂 TNTs 3 minute highlights were all of Fury…..
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Mon 23 Dec 15:59
What gave the ‘wide’ result is that they judges seemed to want to give a winner in each round, rather than scoring a close round 10-10.
IMHO much better.
Usyk landed more punches in 10 rounds, with 1 drawn and Fury connecting most (by one) in only 1 round.
Many of the rounds WERE close, but 12 close rounds doesn’t necessarily mean 6-6 in round scoring. Can easily be a ‘clear’ winner - as we saw.
If you win a round by 2%, you still win the round, despite the round being ‘close’.
Fury was typically ineffective for much of the fight, tried to bully Usyk, and failed.
With his weight, height and reach advantage, especially against a southpaw… straight punches are the game plan, the straight 1-2 on the VERY rare occasions that he threw them were successful, but as usual, not thrown anywhere near enough.
Hopefully he either
1. Retires permanently and will STFU
2. Fights AJ next - who should spark him out.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Tue 24 Dec 12:32
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Mon 23 Dec 15:59
What gave the ‘wide’ result is that they judges seemed to want to give a winner in each round, rather than scoring a close round 10-10.
IMHO much better.
Usyk landed more punches in 10 rounds, with 1 drawn and Fury connecting most (by one) in only 1 round.
Many of the rounds WERE close, but 12 close rounds doesn’t necessarily mean 6-6 in round scoring. Can easily be a ‘clear’ winner - as we saw.
If you win a round by 2%, you still win the round, despite the round being ‘close’.
Fury was typically ineffective for much of the fight, tried to bully Usyk, and failed.
With his weight, height and reach advantage, especially against a southpaw… straight punches are the game plan, the straight 1-2 on the VERY rare occasions that he threw them were successful, but as usual, not thrown anywhere near enough.
Hopefully he either
1. Retires permanently and will STFU
2. Fights AJ next - who should spark him out.
I agree with most mate but AJ will not spark fury out, he has lost his spark and is not the same boxer he once was
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Tue 24 Dec 18:50
I had it to Usyk by one or two, thought Fury had maybe nicked a draw as you never know with the judge`s as there`s often one who is miles off what the other two score it.
Fury looked good for the first 8 or 9 rounds but then went back to that old tactic of a wee flurry of punches then sandbagging his big frame on top and smothering the opponent. Usually very effective if not easy on the eye and in this case not great for nicking close rounds which a lot of them were as Lux says.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Tue 24 Dec 20:35
Quote:
shellypar, Tue 24 Dec 12:32
I agree with most mate but AJ will not spark fury out, he has lost his spark and is not the same boxer he once was
AJ will likely do exactly the same as he did against Nganou, Fury has no answer to a good boxer, which AJ can be - when he remembers.
(It’s absolutely amazing how many heavyweights forget the basics, especially the simple 1-2, instead trying to land a big clubbing punch then grabbing hold.)
However, if Fury spoils him for 5/6 rounds, he will probably win a points verdict in a typically boring snorefest.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 25 Dec 18:16
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Tue 24 Dec 20:35
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shellypar, Tue 24 Dec 12:32
I agree with most mate but AJ will not spark fury out, he has lost his spark and is not the same boxer he once was
AJ will likely do exactly the same as he did against Nganou, Fury has no answer to a good boxer, which AJ can be - when he remembers.
(It’s absolutely amazing how many heavyweights forget the basics, especially the simple 1-2, instead trying to land a big clubbing punch then grabbing hold.)
However, if Fury spoils him for 5/6 rounds, he will probably win a points verdict in a typically boring snorefest.
Brother u do not know boxing if u think AJ would spark Fury out mate, no offence but stop embarrasing yourself
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 25 Dec 19:36
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 25 Dec 18:16
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Tue 24 Dec 20:35
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shellypar, Tue 24 Dec 12:32
I agree with most mate but AJ will not spark fury out, he has lost his spark and is not the same boxer he once was
AJ will likely do exactly the same as he did against Nganou, Fury has no answer to a good boxer, which AJ can be - when he remembers.
(It’s absolutely amazing how many heavyweights forget the basics, especially the simple 1-2, instead trying to land a big clubbing punch then grabbing hold.)
However, if Fury spoils him for 5/6 rounds, he will probably win a points verdict in a typically boring snorefest.
Brother u do not know boxing if u think AJ would spark Fury out mate, no offence but stop embarrasing yourself
You clearly don`t know who Lux Par is. You`ve absolutely embarrassed yourself suggesting he doesn`t know boxing. He`s probably forgotten more about boxing than you`ve ever known.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Wed 25 Dec 19:41
On their day .... Anyone out of the top 10 or maybe 15 in the rankings could knock any of the others out.
Look at wilder .... On his day he`s a knockout machine.
Unfortunately (for him) it`s not been his day for a while now.
It was AJ for a while , then Fury.... Who`s to say that Usyk won`t get caught by someone he should outbox easily?
It happens.
How many times did Lewis lose the title and he`s regularly lauded as one of the best ever heavyweights.
(Probably cos he regained after he lost)
I`ve totally forgot the point I`m trying to make now.....
Carry on 🤪
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 26 Dec 11:03
I’ll hud yer jaiket, Lux. Mind and wear they fancy shiny big shorts a la Rocky. 🥰
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Tue 7 Jan 11:02
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Wed 25 Dec 19:36
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 25 Dec 18:16
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Tue 24 Dec 20:35
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shellypar, Tue 24 Dec 12:32
I agree with most mate but AJ will not spark fury out, he has lost his spark and is not the same boxer he once was
AJ will likely do exactly the same as he did against Nganou, Fury has no answer to a good boxer, which AJ can be - when he remembers.
(It’s absolutely amazing how many heavyweights forget the basics, especially the simple 1-2, instead trying to land a big clubbing punch then grabbing hold.)
However, if Fury spoils him for 5/6 rounds, he will probably win a points verdict in a typically boring snorefest.
Brother u do not know boxing if u think AJ would spark Fury out mate, no offence but stop embarrasing yourself
You clearly don`t know who Lux Par is. You`ve absolutely embarrassed yourself suggesting he doesn`t know boxing. He`s probably forgotten more about boxing than you`ve ever known.
I wont lie i dont care who he is, you dont know who i am either, that is irrelevant, if he thinks aj would ko fury then he may be losing the plot, doesnt matter how.much he may know about boxing, that analysis is waffle
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 7 Jan 14:31
I’m pretty sure I outbox Lux with one hand tied behind my back.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 7 Jan 14:35
I dinnae ken which jaiket to hold!
Lllllovely Lux or RrrrRaymie
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 7 Jan 16:13
I have my popcorn at the ready. Is this match for the disabled lift charity?
Much better proposition in this that the football thread “melt” name calling 🫣
That can be the undercard.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 7 Jan 21:13
Get Adam Warlock on the phone......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Wed 8 Jan 12:16
Well Shelley.
Apparently I’m embarrassing myself, losing the plot and spouting waffle?
Interesting.
If you are such an expert on boxing, please astound us with your credentials
- did you ever box competitively?
- were you involved in boxing? Training fighters?
- or are you just another self-professed armchair expert?
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 8 Jan 13:51
To be fair to Shelleypar:
From the BBC website:
‘Tyson Fury would be a "massive favourite" against Anthony Joshua if the heavyweights fight this year, says former world super-featherweight champion Barry Jones.’
I suspect the bookies (actual armchair experts) would agree. They could be wrong of course.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 8 Jan 14:40
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Wed 8 Jan 12:16
Well Shelley.
Apparently I’m embarrassing myself, losing the plot and spouting waffle?
Interesting.
If you are such an expert on boxing, please astound us with your credentials
- did you ever box competitively?
- were you involved in boxing? Training fighters?
- or are you just another self-professed armchair expert?
Yes i boxed from the age of 7-15, but decided to take up muay thai instead and just recently came third in a tournament, i have always loved the sport and my dad was an boxer, he had to stop due to a accident, so i do knie my stuff,
May i hear ur credentials
Please take this not as a dig, u may well know ur boxing but i just think ur way off, i mean no disrespect whatsoever so apologies
I hope u have a good day and look forward to ur response
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Wed 8 Jan 15:03
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 8 Jan 14:40
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Wed 8 Jan 12:16
Well Shelley.
Apparently I’m embarrassing myself, losing the plot and spouting waffle?
Interesting.
If you are such an expert on boxing, please astound us with your credentials
- did you ever box competitively?
- were you involved in boxing? Training fighters?
- or are you just another self-professed armchair expert?
Yes i boxed from the age of 7-15, but decided to take up muay thai instead and just recently came third in a tournament, i have always loved the sport and my dad was an boxer, he had to stop due to a accident, so i do knie my stuff,l
May i hear ur credentials
Please take this not as a dig, u may well know ur boxing but i just think ur way off, i mean no disrespect whatsoever so apologies
I hope u have a good day and look forward to ur response
Sure you can - what club were you with?
Maybe I knew your dad as you seem to be significantly younger than I.
Boxed competitively for 9 years,
Late starter, I was always a football player, half decent but never anywhere near good enough to make it as a pro.
Dragged along to the gym at age 18 by my younger brother who had just won a junior Eastern District title (lightweight IIRC)
Around 140 fights, including 20 internationals.
Scottish champion at Light middle
Eastern district champion at two weights - light middle and middleweight (two championship wins at each weight)
Boxed for Scotland, GB and Norway
Most notable win was beating ‘Tiger’ Tim Taylor in the deciding match, England v Scotland for Scotland’s first win in 20 years.
After retiring, Trained and seconded male and female boxers at Cardenden ABC.
Trained boxers at Muhlenbach in Lux
Raymie? 🤣
I’m 100% against your family so far, as you know.
Cannae believe you think you’d do better than Biagio
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 8 Jan 15:09
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Wed 8 Jan 15:03
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 8 Jan 14:40
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Wed 8 Jan 12:16
Well Shelley.
Apparently I’m embarrassing myself, losing the plot and spouting waffle?
Interesting.
If you are such an expert on boxing, please astound us with your credentials
- did you ever box competitively?
- were you involved in boxing? Training fighters?
- or are you just another self-professed armchair expert?
Yes i boxed from the age of 7-15, but decided to take up muay thai instead and just recently came third in a tournament, i have always loved the sport and my dad was an boxer, he had to stop due to a accident, so i do knie my stuff,l
May i hear ur credentials
Please take this not as a dig, u may well know ur boxing but i just think ur way off, i mean no disrespect whatsoever so apologies
I hope u have a good day and look forward to ur response
Sure you can - what club were you with?
Maybe I knew your dad as you seem to be significantly younger than I.
Boxed competitively for 9 years,
Late starter, I was always a football player, half decent but never anywhere near good enough to make it as a pro.
Dragged along to the gym at age 18 by my younger brother who had just won a junior Eastern District title (lightweight IIRC)
Around 140 fights, including 20 internationals.
Scottish champion at Light middle
Eastern district champion at two weights - light middle and middleweight (two championship wins at each weight)
Boxed for Scotland, GB and Norway
Most notable win was beating ‘Tiger’ Tim Taylor in the deciding match, England v Scotland for Scotland’s first win in 20 years.
After retiring, Trained and seconded male and female boxers at Cardenden ABC.
Trained boxers at Muhlenbach in Lux
Raymie? 🤣
I’m 100% against your family so far, as you know.
Cannae believe you think you’d do better than Biagio
I honestly couldnt tell u what club it was, i didnt really like the people there so i kind of erased it from my memory
Wow i will give u that, a very impressive resume, i would ask u for a spar but i dont think it would be a good idea given ur advanced years
I hope i did not offend u, maybe just went about disagreeing with u the wrong way and i apologise
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Wed 8 Jan 15:26
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 8 Jan 15:09
I honestly couldnt tell u what club it was, i didnt really like the people there so i kind of erased it from my memory
Wow i will give u that, a very impressive resume, i would ask u for a spar but i dont think it would be a good idea given ur advanced years
I hope i did not offend u, maybe just went about disagreeing with u the wrong way and i apologise
Cheeky wee whippersnapper, I’m not quite being put out to pasture yet - advanced years indeed!
If you want to tell me your dads name but not on here, my email is in my profile.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Wed 8 Jan 16:35
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Wed 8 Jan 15:26
Quote:
shellypar, Wed 8 Jan 15:09
I honestly couldnt tell u what club it was, i didnt really like the people there so i kind of erased it from my memory
Wow i will give u that, a very impressive resume, i would ask u for a spar but i dont think it would be a good idea given ur advanced years
I hope i did not offend u, maybe just went about disagreeing with u the wrong way and i apologise
Cheeky wee whippersnapper, I’m not quite being put out to pasture yet - advanced years indeed!
If you want to tell me your dads name but not on here, my email is in my profile.
🤣, i would give u my fathers name but we are not from this country, so you would no know, we moved here when i was around 7 from serbia so u probably wouldnt know him, i aprecciate the offer though
:)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 8 Jan 18:05
Quote:
Around 140 fights, including 20 internationals.
Scottish champion at Light middle
Eastern district champion at two weights - light middle and middleweight (two championship wins at each weight)
Boxed for Scotland, GB and Norway
Most notable win was beating ‘Tiger’ Tim Taylor in the deciding match, England v Scotland for Scotland’s first win in 20 years.
After retiring, Trained and seconded male and female boxers at Cardenden ABC.
Trained boxers at Muhlenbach in Lux
Can`t believe the resume never included the famous Louis Thow bout....
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Wed 8 Jan 21:07
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 8 Jan 18:05
Quote:
Around 140 fights, including 20 internationals.
Scottish champion at Light middle
Eastern district champion at two weights - light middle and middleweight (two championship wins at each weight)
Boxed for Scotland, GB and Norway
Most notable win was beating ‘Tiger’ Tim Taylor in the deciding match, England v Scotland for Scotland’s first win in 20 years.
After retiring, Trained and seconded male and female boxers at Cardenden ABC.
Trained boxers at Muhlenbach in Lux
Can`t believe the resume never included the famous Louis Thow bout....
I believe that was ruled a ‘no-contest’ after interference by plod…
By coincidence, I was looking at this today:
Post Edited (Wed 08 Jan 21:09)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 8 Jan 22:11
Cracking Stenny badge on the programme, like a bit of heraldry
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Mon 13 Jan 16:00
And Fury crêpes out of a fight with AJ.
Retired ‘with immediate effect’.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 13 Jan 17:07
Has he retired properly this time ?
Or is he just retired until a Megabucks offer comes in to fight (insert name here) ?
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