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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 20 Mar 15:38
With a big woo hoo "The newest fully-electric bus network in the UK has been launched in Dunfermline." according to the headlines. Great to see our city is at the forefront of saving the world by combating the 2nd biggest greenhouse gas behind water vapor, Carbon Dioxide. We obviously must reduce this evil gas which currently makes up 0.044% (Zero point zero four four percent) of the Earths atmosphere.
Man with medallion standing in between two "smart busses".
The way we do this of course is by replacing dirty, coal, oil and petroleum and replace it with clean, saintly electricity stored in lithium and cobalt batteries.
Nice, clean Lithium mine in Chile.
The safe, well-paid totally not detrimental to health Cobalt mine in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Fares in the Dunfermline area have went up 15%, no doubt to help pay for these planet saving contraptions, a price the poorest and eldest in our society are almost certainly happy to pay.
My Grandfather (in-law) who is a frequent user of the bus service has had the unfortunate coincidence of being on these new electric busses 3 times when they have broken down and had to be rescued by a diesel bus.
A couple of friends who are both bus drivers have stated that that come next winter the buses may work a bit better as the heating will be turned off as they want "the busses to run all day without charging", good news for passengers unless you don`t like to be freezing although it is yet to be seen if the drivers can drive all day in these conditions.
Tweet from Greta Thunberg (Since deleted) telling us 5 years ago that we`ll all be dead in 5 years unless we stopped using fossil fuels.
Thank God for the well-educated activists like Greta and politicians like "Climate Czar" John Kerry who are jetting round the globe to inform us of our planet-destroying mistakes.
6 home, 12 car, 2 yacht owning "Climate Czar" John Kerry getting off his private get which has emitted an estimated 715,886 pounds, or 325 metric tons on the 48 trips lasting more than 60 hours since he assumed the position. He also used this jet to pick up his "Arctic Circle Climate Award" stating that a private jet is "the only choice for someone like me.”.
Remember we are all in this together, some more than others and anyone questioning the message should always be labelled "a denier", "far right" and "anti science" whenever they challenge the "settled science" of muh climate change.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 20 Mar 15:45
I had a go on Chat GPT the other day and wrote "Write a rambling message from a frustrated climate change denier. Don`t hold back on the inverted commas."
I was impressed with what it came up with.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 20 Mar 16:00
It probably read better than BP`s post.
Has no one told him old folk and young folk don`t pay bus fares in Scotland?
GT`s post doesn`t actually say we`d all be dead in 5 years but that`s probably fake news.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 20 Mar 16:35
Was on a bus a fortnight ago to collect my car from garage service and I don`t think anybody paid, including me!
Don`t know how they can afford to run them.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 20 Mar 16:39
The government picks up the tab for those who don`t pay LA.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 20 Mar 16:51
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks like
Date: Mon 20 Mar 16:39
The government picks up the tab for those who don`t pay LA.
Towk LA hides under the seat when the Conductress comes for the fares
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 20 Mar 19:17
Conductress???
When was the last time you were on a bus?🤔😲🤣🤣🤣🚎🚎🚎
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Mon 20 Mar 19:22
BPP was probably on an original stagecoach!
🤠
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 20 Mar 20:20
Quote:
buffy, Mon 20 Mar 19:22
BPP was probably on an original stagecoach!
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With Calamity Jane!!🎬🏹🇺🇲🦓🦓🦓🤠
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 20 Mar 21:05
Bus services in Scotland, or the UK in general are bloody awful. The exception is probably Edinburgh. If Dunfermline had a better and more reliable bus service then it would reduce the number of people driving. THAT would reduce pollution whereas an electric bus just moves the pollution elsewhere.
IMO we`ve had years of prices going up resulting in an endless cycle of fewer customers meaning fewer users meaning the price goes up again to cover. What we now see is services provided by a PRIVATE company surviving off PUBLIC funding as the only people using the buses are young people and old people. The ones who are more likely to be working and using their cars as they offer greater flexibility and are potentially cheaper.
Some years ago I wrote to the Transport Minister explaining my dismay at the awful Fife Circle rail service and questioned how on earth it could be that it was cheaper and easier for me to DRIVE to Edinburgh Park. I got a generic reply.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 20 Mar 22:29
Buses in Edinburgh used to be great but have been getting steadily worse for about four years. All the diversions we`ve had aren`t helping.
Aside from the carbon side of things, electric and hybrid buses work much better than diesel in a built up area.
They have better torque than diesel engined buses, so they can accelerate more rapidly, which works much better for stop/start operation, like with a bus in a city.
The pollution is managed at the power plant rather than being dumped into the city air.
They are quieter, which has obvious advantages in places where people live.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 21 Mar 08:40
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Tue 21 Mar 01:24
You think that electric buses will be shown to be louder than diesel ones once scientists wake up to the truth that a bunch of teenage conspiracy theorists on 4chan have known for years?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 21 Mar 09:31
Nature abhors a vacuum and it looks like the Rasta-gap is finally going to be filled
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 21 Mar 10:16
Just as an aside.. Not many years ago me and Mrs P had the misfortune to experience three breakdowns on the X51 Livingston service within 6 months. It was a very sleek new type of vehicle and not been in service that long.
First time it broke down in the shopping centre, replacement bus required
Next time on the way back, not far from the bridge, then again on another bus which just made it over the bridge before conking out short of the park and ride Replacement vehicles to the rescue both times.
I made some joke to one of the rescue drivers about us being jinxed, and she said not really it had happened to her twice as a passenger as well! Another driver said the new ones were rubbish, give him an old one to drive any day of the week!
Progress, eh?
Post Edited (Tue 21 Mar 10:18)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 21 Mar 11:55
It`s the same issue with cars. My new(ish) car is filled with sensors and monitors for everything so it tells me my tyre pressure has reduced or a bulb is out or it thinks someone is in the passenger seat when it`s actually by backpack.
I`m sure some of my older cars were definitely a bit iffy in terms of how they were running but all road safe. I`m sure everyone has driven a car with a slow puncture or with an engine that isn`t idling as efficiently as it should be. Nowadays the car would be beep, beep, beep!
The other issue with modern vehicle electronics is they`re not very good. You see it all the time that a garage runs a diagnostic and finds 28 errors, but they`ll potentially be caused by one loose wire or one part that needs replaced.
Imagine what it must be like for these buses. They probably go into limp mode when low on screenwash!
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 21 Mar 12:15
Indeed Jake, there appeared to be some alarm glitch that disabled the bus at the stop in Livi, and the driver couldn’t do anything.
I think one of the other buses was showing an an overheating issue so the driver had to pull over. He suspected it was a false alarm but couldn’t take any chances.
Teething problems probably.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 20 Nov 18:10
Day 2922 of conspiracy theories coming true....
"Baseless"..."Misinformationion"..."Disinformation"..."Denier"...etc, etc.
yeah.
https://tinyurl.com/3z8f8s5t
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 20 Nov 19:47
Thanks for bringing this thread back up Bletchley. I don`t know how often they need charged but the leccy buses in Dunfermline have turned out great. Much nicer than the clunker diesels but that`s probably because they`re newer.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 20 Nov 20:27
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 20 Nov 18:10
Day 2922 of conspiracy theories coming true....
"Baseless"..."Misinformationion"..."Disinformation"..."Denier"...etc, etc.
yeah.
https://tinyurl.com/3z8f8s5t
Weirdly enough gas guzzling vehicles can run out of battery too, just like one at my work did the other day (not on my watch mind) 🫢 who knew?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 20 Nov 22:19
Worth noting OP was correct about 440parts per million (ppm) of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Plant life starts to die off at 350ppm. Complete die off at 150ppm.
When the last ice age peaked 20,000 years ago carbon dioxide dropped to around 180ppm nearly sparking off another mass extinction.
It’s hard to find an answer to how much is too much. Some articles will correlate between high carbon dioxide levels and previous mass extinction events - jurrasic-Triassic for example but I looked into the causes of a couple of them and the belief is that they were caused by super volcanoes. Carbon dioxide was at 6000-8000 ppm and there was no runaway greenhouse effect.
We just ended up with lots of trees.
More I’ve tried looking into it, the less worried I am about carbon dioxide. I honestly believe it’s just a grift.
Plastics, petrochemicals, heavy metals IMO are much more of a concern.
I wonder if it’s a bait and switch tbh 🤔
Wonder if Greta’s family has shares in DuPont or something 😂
COYP
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 21 Nov 09:15
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 20 Mar 16:39
The government picks up the tab for those who don`t pay LA.
The taxpayer pays ultimately.
I’m subsidising my own concessionary bus pass.
I don’t think the open ended free bus pass is sustainable in the long term, however that is a separate discussion.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 21 Nov 12:54
Quote:
veteraneastender, Thu 21 Nov 09:15
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 20 Mar 16:39
The government picks up the tab for those who don`t pay LA.
The taxpayer pays ultimately.
I’m subsidising my own concessionary bus pass.
I don’t think the open ended free bus pass is sustainable in the long term, however that is a separate discussion.
Hi VEE, are you of an age where you get free rail travel or does that never happen?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 21 Nov 15:30
"Hi VEE, are you of an age where you get free rail travel or does that never happen?"
There is no such thing AFAIK - maybe discounted fares for over 60s, I haven`t been on a train for several years.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 21 Nov 16:26
You can buy a senior railcard for £30 which entitles you to one-third of the cost of any rail fares for a year. one return journey to London and you`re in pocket.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Thu 21 Nov 19:11
Wow folk still go on grotty busses nowadays…if I’m going to Edinburgh and back I just book an Uber.
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 21 Nov 19:24
FREE busses, trams and trains in Lux - ALL free to use for everyone.
Trams all electric
Trains all electric
Busses - mix between fully electric, hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 21 Nov 23:03
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 21 Nov 19:24
FREE busses, trams and trains in Lux - ALL free to use for everyone.
Trams all electric
Trains all electric
Busses - mix between fully electric, hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid
Believe it`s similar in Switzerland.
Sadly, as much as it would be great to have this in Scotland, it would likely just mobilise bellends.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 22 Nov 19:37
“New electric buses charged by pantographs have been rolled out on one of London’s longest bus routes.
The fleet of 20 buses are being recharged at each end of the 15-mile route 358 between Crystal Palace and Orpington in the south-east of the capital.
The pantographs are arm-like structures which attach to a bus roof and provide high-powered charging in as little as six minutes.
That means the vehicles do not need to return to garages to recharge, reducing the fleet size required to serve the route.
The buses have a striking design with similar characteristics to a tram.
Transport for London (TfL) said they also have a “safer” front and features such as speed limits, audible warnings to alert pedestrians and other road users to the movements of the bus, and cameras and monitors instead of mirrors for the driver.
Spanish company Irizar has supplied 20 of the buses and the two pantograph chargers.
Pantograph technology was first introduced to London’s bus network in 2022 with testing at Bexleyheath garage.
More than 1,700 zero-emission buses are now in service in London.”
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 23 Nov 10:15
I remember the old London buses (1950`s?) that had the pantograph fitted, a strange sight for a Dunfermline boy!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 23 Nov 12:54
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 21 Nov 19:24
FREE busses, trams and trains in Lux - ALL free to use for everyone.
Trams all electric
Trains all electric
Busses - mix between fully electric, hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid
Free ?
Which billionaire philanthropist do Luxors (?) have to thank ?
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Mon 25 Nov 09:37
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 23 Nov 12:54
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Thu 21 Nov 19:24
FREE busses, trams and trains in Lux - ALL free to use for everyone.
Trams all electric
Trains all electric
Busses - mix between fully electric, hydrogen fuel cell and hybrid
Free ?
Which billionaire philanthropist do Luxors (?) have to thank ?
Absolutely free.
Government run.
Big effort to reduce car congestion.
City Center parking reduced dramatically, prices increased for the parking that is available.
Park’n’Ride facilities outside the city, West, South and East
New tram routes being added all the time.
Busses are regular and clean, there is even ‘a night bus’ on Friday & Saturday nights to my village leaving at 00.30, 01.30 & 03.00 - no excuse to drink & drive, no need to drive at all.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 25 Nov 12:59
That`s how it should be. Unfortunately, we`re stuck with buses that take over an hour to travel to Edinburgh or trains that get cancelled, arrive with missing carriages or late.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 25 Nov 13:14
Yeah I only go in the office it takes almost 2hours and I live about 18 miles off I were to drive.
It’s about 20 mins walk to bus, 5 mins wait, about 1hr 20mins on the bus, and another 10 min walk from Edinburgh bus station
I could take the train and shave about 30 mins, but its more than double the price which for the distance, crammed conditions etc I’m not paying
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 25 Nov 18:41
"Absolutely free."
So, where does the Luxembourg government get the money to run these "free" services ?
That`s my point - nothing is free in this world.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 25 Nov 19:26
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 25 Nov 18:41
"Absolutely free."
So, where does the Luxembourg government get the money to run these "free" services ?
That`s my point - nothing is free in this world.
I imagine the same place as you get your free prescriptions
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 25 Nov 21:25
"I imagine the same place as you get your free prescriptions"
Indeed - and the bus pass etc., etc.
The taxpayer..........there is no such thing as free.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 25 Nov 21:48
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 25 Nov 21:25
"I imagine the same place as you get your free prescriptions"
Indeed - and the bus pass etc., etc.
The taxpayer..........there is no such thing as free.
So? What’s your actual point? It was pretty obvious he meant at point of use 🤷🏻♂️
Post Edited (Mon 25 Nov 21:53)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 26 Nov 08:04
The Labour alternative to free public transport is to force you onto privately owned "public" transport by taxing the hell out of your car unless you buy electric.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 26 Nov 09:12
Were these tax changes on petrol cars announced in the budget?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 26 Nov 09:18
"So? What’s your actual point? It was pretty obvious he meant at point of use 🤷🏻♂️"
Yes, but that`s not free.........which is my point, equally obvious I thought.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Tue 26 Nov 11:06
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 25 Nov 18:41
"Absolutely free."
So, where does the Luxembourg government get the money to run these "free" services ?
That`s my point - nothing is free in this world.
From the charges paid by ‘brass plate’ companies registered here for tax reasons?
🤫
🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 26 Nov 14:36
Thanks for the clarification.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 26 Nov 16:32
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 26 Nov 09:12
Were these tax changes on petrol cars announced in the budget?
Not sure if they were specifically called out when presented but they`re in there. For your average motorist worth a used car it won`t be noticeable but for someone buying a new fossil fuel vehicle it will be. I`ve never understood why the Tories changed the banding in 2017. It meant someone worth a used car with a relatively low emission vehicle would pay £20 if bought in March but £190 if bought a month later. Absolute nonsense. Same car, same engine, same emissions.
The problem will be what happens when more and more people move to electric vehicles and there`s a loss of tax from fossil fuels and VED. I`m sure a new tax will have been invented by then though.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 26 Nov 18:45
We`ve gone from starting this year with a diesel at £20pa to an electric which will be either £180 or £190 from April.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 26 Nov 20:56
Quote:
veteraneastender, Tue 26 Nov 09:18
"So? What’s your actual point? It was pretty obvious he meant at point of use 🤷🏻♂️"
Yes, but that`s not free.........which is my point, equally obvious I thought.
So obvious in fact that it doesn’t even need made - unless you’ve only just discovered we live in a governed society.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 26 Nov 22:04
Always bemused by suggestions that some services are free, obviously.
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