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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 07:56
The Maccabi Tel Aviv fans’ behaviour in Amsterdam proves these scumbags should not be allowed to enter any sports competition. End apartheid. boycott Israel.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Fri 8 Nov 08:29
Reports here said it was Israeli fans that were attacked by a pro Palestinian mob. I admit that I have only scanned the headlines and haven`t seen any videos of the altercation
Post Edited (Fri 08 Nov 08:59)
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Topic Originator: xgatesmafia
Date: Fri 8 Nov 08:40
Yeah. Other way around . As lies the moral case in the Middle East .
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:36
No, I did not VEE. The great antisemitic lie is coming out again, and the Dutch authorities have bowed down like puppies to the usual bullshit. Take a look on social media before it is taken down, and you should see the shocking behaviour of the Israeli fans in and around the Ajax ground, their singing of obscene chants about killing Palestinians. It was hardly surprising that the Dutch fans would give them some curry.
The "emergency" flights are a pathetic PR exercise, nothing more.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:38
Yep, we should definitely be banning people from sports if they’ve been attacked. Seems entirely fair and rational to me.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:41
In all seriousness, the governing bodies can’t be seen to ‘take sides’ in all of this. Blaming one side is just wrong. Both sides of this issue have acted very poorly and should be condemned. Banning Israelis would send the completely wrong message.
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Topic Originator: we won the cup in 68
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:41
Paul Kirby
BBC News
Published
8 November 2024, 07:00 GMT
Updated 13 minutes ago
Israeli football fans have faced a series of attacks in the centre of Amsterdam, officials say, with riot police having to intervene several times to protect them.
Prime Minister Dick Schoof condemned "antisemitic attacks" and Israel`s military spoke of "severe and violent incidents against Israelis".
Amsterdam`s mayor and authorities said that despite a massive police presence, Israeli fans had been injured in several parts of the Dutch capital.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:48
Yep, we should definitely be banning people from sports if they’ve been attacked. Seems entirely fair and rational to me.
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We should be banning Israel from sports because of their murderous behaviour in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, and elsewhere.
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Topic Originator: we won the cup in 68
Date: Fri 8 Nov 09:58
Amsterdam mayor
published at 09:46
09:46
Mayor of Amsterdam, Femke Halsema, says perpetrators "actively sought out" Israeli supporters of Maccabi Tel Aviv to attack, abuse, and pelt with fireworks.
She says riot police had to intervene several times, protecting the supporters and escorting them to hotels. However, despite the "massive police presence," some supporters were injured.
"This outburst of violence towards Israeli supporters goes beyond all limits and is in no way defensible," she says.
Halsema also says the "Amsterdam triangle" - the mayor, police chief, and chief public prosecutor - is urging all victims to report to the police
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 8 Nov 10:26
Quote:
OzPar, Fri 8 Nov 09:36
The great antisemitic lie is coming out again
***** sakes just give me the yellow card now
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Fri 08 Nov 10:27)
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Fri 8 Nov 11:30
Group of fans are attacked, but apparently it’s them who should be banned. Now, nobody’s trying to claim that Israelis have done absolutely nothing wrong. But this is a crazy suggestion.
Arguing that governing bodies should be taking sides in a political conflict and banning those from one side from taking part is wild. Both sides are very aggressive and have killed far too many people. Individuals are obviously entitled to their opinions, but governing bodies must remain impartial.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Fri 8 Nov 11:34
If I’m being honest, I’m surprised that a thread that has been started with such a bigoted post hasn’t been shut down. This is a football forum and this sort of stuff doesn’t belong here.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Fri 8 Nov 11:40
If Macabbi fans were responsible for initiating the trouble before or during the match then it`s their club that should be held responsible, not the state of Israel.
If you go that route then there are a bunch of countries that would fit the agenda for being excommunicated from sports.
Ajax have a significant problem with sections of their support likewise.
Post Edited (Fri 08 Nov 11:46)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 11:47
South Africa was banned for less. Have you no memory???
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 12:00
An Israeli football team went to play in Amsterdam. Their fans shouted obscenities during a minute`s silence, they chanted about Gaza having no schools because they`d bombed them, and that they intended to "f*ck Arabs" or some bollocks, and ripped down Palestinian flags. They got their xxxxx kicked. They forgot they weren`t carrying guns and didn`t have air support, and their opponents weren`t children or old women. Then, they cried about antisemitism. I`ll bet the vast majority of them are not even Semites.
But, remember, most of them will have served in the IDF. They have previous.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 8 Nov 12:11
Gonna massively stick my neck out here and suggest there was probably fault on both sides here...
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: PARSwede
Date: Fri 8 Nov 12:19
What part of Europe is Israel in......just asking. Same applies to all these "European" competitions with non European entries....
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Fri 8 Nov 12:23
Ajax fans, antisemitism? That`s a first.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 8 Nov 13:07
Quote:
par-91, Fri 8 Nov 09:41
In all seriousness, the governing bodies can’t be seen to ‘take sides’ in all of this. Blaming one side is just wrong. Both sides of this issue have acted very poorly and should be condemned. Banning Israelis would send the completely wrong message.
Governing bodies have taken sides in the Russia Ukraine conflict……..why not this one?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 14:17
For one thing, Israel isn`t in Europe, so shouldn`t be in UEFA competitions. If anything they should be in the AFA, but they banned them.
I think due to the actions of the Israeli government in conducting genocidal ethnic cleansing on the people of Gaza as well as unprovoked attacks on Lebanon, they should be banned from all sports.
Having seen the videos on twitter of the Israeli fans, pulling down Palestine Flags, singing songs about killing kids, bombing schools and fkn Arabs, then I think they were simply asking for it
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 Nov 16:21
Pathetic on both sides tbh. People using a game of football as an excuse to spread hate.
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Topic Originator: SteviePar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 16:41
The idea that this was an attack on Jews is misleading. It was an attack on Israelis. The conflation of all criticism of Israel with antisemitism has become a very effective way to silence anyone who speaks publicly against Israel.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 8 Nov 17:09
Quote:
SteviePar, Fri 8 Nov 16:41
The idea that this was an attack on Jews is misleading. It was an attack on Israelis. The conflation of all criticism of Israel with antisemitism has become a very effective way to silence anyone who speaks publicly against Israel.
This is way beyond "speaking out against Israel"
This is pre planned coordinated attacks on football supporters from Tel Aviv. A city which has always been Jewish and never been Arab or Palestinian. Anyone supporting these attacks needs to have a long hard look at themselves.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 17:15
Politics thread for this piiissshhhh
OZ - you should be ashamed of yourself mate, but reading your other diatribes, I highly doubt it.
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 18:04
Ozpar is talking *****
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 18:07
We must not turn blind eye to antisemitism, says Dutch king after attacks on Israeli football fans
BBC
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 8 Nov 18:09
What a lot of rubbish. Scanned through it, most folk lot a whole screed of p15h.
Those who didn’t write p15h were correctly pointing out that everyone else has written a lot of p15h
COYP
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Topic Originator: 68guns
Date: Fri 8 Nov 18:45
There have been some low points on this forum over the years but this diatribe from Ozpar is sickening - please bin the thread
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 19:03
It`s actually really disturbing watching the news, and reading this thread how the real story is being distorted to portray a theme of pre meditated anti semitism. Have a look online yourself and see how these Maccabi Hooligans behaved and make up your own mind.
The whole situation with Israel in the last year does remind me of Nazi Germany, it`s like a complete role reversal. That old saying "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" springs to mind here. I wondered for years how the Nazi`s got away with it, but if you look at what the Israeli`s are getting away with now, it`s very clear. You are all too scared to be called anti Semitic to call out the genocide that is being carried out by the Israeli Government with the backing of the US and the UK.
If I lived in a country which had ramped up the ethnic cleansing on the inhabitants of the land they have occupied, in the way that they have in the last year, I think the last thing I would do is travel to a city with a 12% Muslim population, tear down Palestinian Flags and burn them, walk through the city in their hordes singing "death to Arabs", disrupt a minutes silence for the victims of the flooding in Spain by singing songs about how they are "no schools in Gaza because we killed all the kids". Anyone that does all that and doesn`t expect to get their totties must be stupid.
They must have forgot they weren`t carrying guns and didn`t have air support, and their opponents weren`t children or old women. Only after the locals had called them out on their behaviour, by giving them what they asked for, only then they cried about antisemitism.
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Topic Originator: Football_Par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 19:12
red-star-par wrote:
> It`s actually really disturbing watching the news, and reading
> this thread how the real story is being distorted to portray a
> theme of pre meditated anti semitism. Have a look online
> yourself and see how these Maccabi Hooligans behaved and make
> up your own mind.
>
> The whole situation with Israel in the last year does remind me
> of Nazi Germany, it`s like a complete role reversal. That old
> saying "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
> good men to do nothing" springs to mind here. I wondered for
> years how the Nazi`s got away with it, but if you look at what
> the Israeli`s are getting away with now, it`s very clear. You
> are all too scared to be called anti Semitic to call out the
> genocide that is being carried out by the Israeli Government
> with the backing of the US and the UK.
>
> If I lived in a country which had ramped up the ethnic
> cleansing on the inhabitants of the land they have occupied, in
> the way that they have in the last year, I think the last thing
> I would do is travel to a city with a 12% Muslim population,
> tear down Palestinian Flags and burn them, walk through the
> city in their hordes singing "death to Arabs", disrupt a
> minutes silence for the victims of the flooding in Spain by
> singing songs about how they are "no schools in Gaza because we
> killed all the kids". Anyone that does all that and doesn`t
> expect to get their totties must be stupid.
>
> They must have forgot they weren`t carrying guns and didn`t
> have air support, and their opponents weren`t children or old
> women. Only after the locals had called them out on their
> behaviour, by giving them what they asked for, only then they
> cried about antisemitism.
state of that....... wtaf
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 19:13
Looks like the Maccabi fans (who have form, they battered someone in Athens earlier in this competition IIRC) tore down Palestinian flags, beat up a taxi driver, we`re chanting some horrendous things about killing children and the like and then jarred and whistled the minutes silence for the Valencia floods. There may well have been a coordinated response or an organised battle between different hooligan groups, but to claim it was some kind of antisemitic crusade or some kind of pogrom is well wide of the mark. Anyway, there`s no place for any kind of violence in football and hopefully there is some kind of investigation into what happened.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 Nov 19:15
Honestly, people need to stop bringing politics into sport and stop using religion as an excuse to be fannies.
The Quran and the Torah both contain similar text that translates as pretty much an eye for an eye. Unfortunately, both sides seem intent on blinding themselves.
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Fri 8 Nov 19:32
Both sets of old firm fans sing about killing each other. Liverpool and Manchester United fans likewise with songs about disasters, could go on and on when it comes to songs and football teams.
However from what was protrayed it appeared to be an orchestrated attack on Israelis after the match. Were they all innocent probably not but would
Imagine most were.
All this is appalling and violent behaviour is becoming more apparent in lots of European cities and it is no coincidence people with Palestinian loyalites lie behind most of it.
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Topic Originator: Andrew C
Date: Fri 8 Nov 19:47
Russia have been banned from UEFA competitions, Israel should be too.
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Topic Originator: Andrew C
Date: Fri 8 Nov 19:57
People citing the BBC as some sort of bastion of truth lol
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 8 Nov 20:31
Owen Jones put it well- Imagine Russian football fans in a foreign city:
- Interrupted a minute’s silence in memory of dead flood victims with chants in support of killing Ukrainian children
- Rampaged through the city
- Ripped down Ukrainian flags
- Chanted “death to Ukrainians”
- Attacked local residents
Imagine then, when local residents attacked them, they were presented as victims of a racist pogrom.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 8 Nov 20:44
And then the rampaging mob started asking other folks for identification to prove they weren`t Russian and then regardless of what the id said battered them anyway.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Row_ZZ
Date: Fri 8 Nov 20:54
Banning Russia but not Israel from participating in sporting competitions just shows the Western agenda. Tbh, I don`t really have much time for Middle East politics given how much of a dump fire our own country is, but doing it for one and not the other just shows how pathetic UEFA/FIFA really are. No-one seems to have a backbone.
"A smile might be good!"
"Nothing to smile about in my life"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 21:10
Politics thread for this piiissshhhh
OZ - you should be ashamed of yourself mate, but reading your other diatribes, I highly doubt it.
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Well, you are spot on there, Lux. I don`t think I have anything to be ashamed of in this respect.
This is beyond politics. You can`t separate the ghastly goings on in Gaza from what occurred in Amsterdam. You can`t have women and children being indiscriminately slaughtered on the one hand and, on the other, offer a welcome to the perpetrators in a major football competition. And yes, given the conscription rules in Israel, a high proportion of those Maccabi fans will be serving or have served in the IDF.
We can`t allow them free rein in Europe.
It was the sports boycott of South Africa throughout the `80s that brought an end to the apartheid regime there. As the Maccabi fans demonstrated, Israel more than deserves the same treatment. And it is not antisemitic to say so. The Zionists have cleverly manipulated a term that, in truth, does not apply to them, as most Zionists are not Semites.
I am sorry if you find my "diatribes" offensive. All I do is offer alternative viewpoints to what you are being served in your day-to-day media. You may not like them, but in the main, they have and will be proved correct. The impending defeat of Ukraine is a prime example.
As others have correctly pointed out, there seems to be no issue with banning Russia from sports events, so why not Israel?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 8 Nov 21:14
Quote:
OzPar, Fri 8 Nov 21:10
Politics thread for this piiissshhhh
OZ - you should be ashamed of yourself mate, but reading your other diatribes, I highly doubt it.
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Well, you are spot on there, Lux. I don`t think I have anything to be ashamed of in this respect.
This is beyond politics. You can`t separate the ghastly goings on in Gaza from what occurred in Amsterdam. You can`t have women and children being indiscriminately slaughtered on the one hand and, on the other, offer a welcome to the perpetrators in a major football competition. And yes, given the conscription rules in Israel, a high proportion of those Maccabi fans will be serving or have served in the IDF.
We can`t allow them free rein in Europe.
It was the sports boycott of South Africa throughout the `80s that brought an end to the apartheid regime there. As the Maccabi fans demonstrated, Israel more than deserves the same treatment. And it is not antisemitic to say so. The Zionists have cleverly manipulated a term that, in truth, does not apply to them, as most Zionists are not Semites.
I am sorry if you find my "diatribes" offensive. All I do is offer alternative viewpoints to what you are being served in your day-to-day media. You may not like them, but in the main, they have and will be proved correct. The impending defeat of Ukraine is a prime example.
As others have correctly pointed out, there seems to be no issue with banning Russia from sports events, so why not Israel?
You’ve lost any credibility at “allow them free reign in Europe”
Screams antisemitism to me.
Can we move this thread to somewhere else?
Honestly it should just be deleted.
COYP
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 21:26
What a weak and pathetic response. Go ahead and delete the truth.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 8 Nov 21:31
Quote:
OzPar, Fri 8 Nov 21:26
What a weak and pathetic response. Go ahead and delete the truth.
Response to what?
Some mad ramblings on a football forum about something that’s got nothing to do with football?
I believe there’s still maccabi haifa fans missing, most likely murdered at this point and you’re on here writing all kinds of mad stuff about Israel 🤷🏻♂️
Put social media down for a bit. You’re pickling your brains with it
COYP
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 8 Nov 21:59
Tel Aviv fans FAFO. Maybe don`t commit genocide, boo a minutes silence for Valencia and also attack taxis and vandalised Amsterdam.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 8 Nov 22:17
If you mean social media by Facebook, Instagram, or that sort of thing, I`m sorry, but I don`t use them. I get my news from X/Twitter, YouTube, international news sites, and translation apps. But yes, you are right. putting it down now and again is essential.
Will the BBC show the Maccabi fans arriving in good spirits at Tel Aviv airport loudly singing the offensive song they were singing in Amsterdam?
That`s there for all to see on X/Twitter.
You think this has nothing to do with football? Aye right!
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 8 Nov 22:27
Pair of idiots 👍🏻
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 8 Nov 22:31
The problem with all media is there`s a story that suits everyone and people will easily find the ones that match whatever narrative they choose to believe.
I`ll see if I can find the link but there was a study done that showed that when people who strongly believe something are shown evidence that goes against their belief they tend to double down rather than question their belief.
The question for me would be if those attacking the Israelites did so in retaliation, or because they had pre-planned their attacks.
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Topic Originator: Kintos
Date: Fri 8 Nov 22:59
Quote:
OzPar, Fri 8 Nov 22:17
If you mean social media by Facebook, Instagram, or that sort of thing, I`m sorry, but I don`t use them. I get my news from X/Twitter, YouTube, international news sites, and translation apps. But yes, you are right. putting it down now and again is essential.
Will the BBC show the Maccabi fans arriving in good spirits at Tel Aviv airport loudly singing the offensive song they were singing in Amsterdam?
That`s there for all to see on X/Twitter.
You think this has nothing to do with football? Aye right!
Pity the BBC cut the audio for the chants/signing before violence erupted as it was too "offensive". It may have helped sway the belief that instead of it being some sort of pre-organised, widespread attacks on Maccabi fans, it was for a large part, very reactionary conduct to abhorrent provocation. (not that violence is justified)
Fwiw, I reckon regardless of the behaviour of the more radical Maccabi fans, there definitely would have been disorder, and violence perpetrated against them as there are always going to be idiots.
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