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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:00
New signing incoming. Andre Raymond on loan from St Johnstone. Left back.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
Post Edited (Fri 28 Feb 16:01)
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:02
Welcome to the pars! Hopefully no more dodgy threads appear from this
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:02
Started a few this season , i know st johnstone have been bad but hopefully good quality
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:06
Please sign a left winger and a striker
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Topic Originator: charlie1
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:06
From Trinidad & Tobago. Said to be very quick on his feet
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:10
Right, I’ll start before the usual suspects descend on this.
McCann is mince, Chalmers is slow, Wotherspoon’s legs have gone and MOH is stealing a wage.
😉
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:11
Welcome to the club, Andre. I hope your time here is successful?
Not played since 5th Jan but deemed good enough to get 90 mins v the old firm in December.
Hopefully can do us a turn?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Fri 28 Feb 16:24)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:29
Great news. Welcome to the club Andre.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Fri 28 Feb 16:29)
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:36
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Fri 28 Feb 16:06
Please sign a left winger and a striker
According to his Wikipedia profile .Raymond mainly operates as a defender. He specifically operates as a left-back. He can also operate as a left winger or left midfielder. He is known for his speed.
nazpar
Post Edited (Fri 28 Feb 16:36)
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:44
If he can play left wing then let’s hope he gets a shot out there.
If he’s known for his speed then it’ll be welcomed.
Welcome Andre.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:57
Having seen a few videos of him on YouTube I’d be starting him left midfield tomorrow. Has pace, can beat a man and gets balls into the box.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 28 Feb 16:58
Just watched a 5 minute video of his highlights for St Johnstone this season and he looks like a very decent player.
Loves a tackle, strong and can dribble and beat a man. Also some decent delivery into the box.
Would love to see him let loose on the left wing.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:08
At Johnstone fans seem to be unhappy they have let him go
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:10
competition was badly needed at left back, that will be the first thought why he is here but if he can play further forward then its a bonus.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:16
I’d genuinely play Ngwenya left back and Raymond Left midfield tomorrow.
Hopefully Kane is back to get on the end of his balls into the box.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:19
Aye, that was my thought. Play those two down the left and then Connor young and Kane in the middle.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:22
Get him on the wing, been crying out for someone decent on the left all season.
Here’s hoping he’s half decent.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:34
Never10yairds that’s exactly what would do.
If all are fit then.
Tobi
Comrie
Mullen
Fogarty
Ngwenya
Stevens
Otoo
Oakley
Raymond
Kane
Young
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:36
Quote:
Ahoy!Ahoy!, Fri 28 Feb 17:16
I’d genuinely play Ngwenya left back and Raymond Left midfield tomorrow.
Hopefully Kane is back to get on the end of his balls into the box.
This^^^^
Really hope he`s a left winger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:43
In his comments about him MT only refers to him as a LB and cover for Ngwenya.
Post Edited (Fri 28 Feb 17:47)
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:45
Pars Head Coach, Michael Tidser believes the addition of another left back will add competition for places. He explained the move:-
“You can see the club are trying to get players and help the squad. Andre played a lot for St Johnstone at the start of the season but obviously the new manager coming in doesn’t really fancy him. So, we hope we can get a wee tune out of him from now to the end of the season.
“Even with Kieran Ngwenya there as well who has done great, we have a lot of games are coming thick and fast. I know it’s the end of the season, but for next season as well, we want to try and have real competition for places. Instead of boys just being too comfy and knowing that they might play. We’ve filled in with Joe Chalmers there at left back a couple of times, but he’s a central midfielder by trade, so that was more just refreshing things. He’ll add competition between him and Kieran. Hopefully, push him on and whoever does well keeps their jersey.”
Sounds like he`s there for left back rather than playing further forward.
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Topic Originator: RMGpar
Date: Fri 28 Feb 17:54
Wonder who’s getting the players the quote I noticed was
“you can see the CLUB trying to get players” maybe looking to much into it hah
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 28 Feb 18:50
Quote:
RMGpar, Fri 28 Feb 17:54
Wonder who’s getting the players the quote I noticed was
“you can see the CLUB trying to get players” maybe looking to much into it hah
Tin hat on? 😂
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Fri 28 Feb 19:24
Welcome to the sh*tshow lad, hope you`re up for a fight.
Sounds like Tidser sees him purely as a left back so it`s unlikely he`ll be let loose on the wing due to the managers stubborn attitude.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 28 Feb 19:29
If Tidser thought he was the new Ryan Giggs, I`m pretty sure he wouldn`t stick him at left back out of stubbornness.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 28 Feb 19:32
Wouldn’t be so surprised DA-go.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 28 Feb 19:53
i thought our lwft and right backs are good Its midfield and up front we need people in ,and whats the point beinging in someone to sit on the bench
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 28 Feb 19:57
When your only other option at LB is Chalmers I`d say it`s an area we needed to strengthen.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 28 Feb 20:09
Folk have been asking for cover at LB for ages and now that we`ve signed one it`s being queried?
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Fri 28 Feb 20:26
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 28 Feb 20:09
Folk have been asking for cover at LB for ages and now that we`ve signed one it`s being queried?
wee eck,I wasnt querying it I simply said our two full backs are good
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC88
Date: Fri 28 Feb 20:28
I warmly welcome the signing of a left-sided player, who appears to possess versatility, capable of assuming multiple positions. However, I firmly believe it is imperative that we secure a forward. Without Kane, our attack threat is virtually non-existent. While I recognise that Yeboah is still in the developmental stages of his career, we cannot afford to accommodate his learning curve during such a critical juncture of the season. It’s the business end of the season as tidser has said multiple times. Yeboah’s performance on Tuesday was horrific, yet he remained on the pitch for the entire 90 minutes. I understand that the market for goal-scoring strikers is particularly challenging, but I think that this must be our priority.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 28 Feb 20:34
Imagine the furore on here if McPake had signed him....."only sign players from Dundee or St Johnstone", "taken a player off their old pals" etc.
Hopefully this chap can offer something going forward in a left midfield role, we have had nothing out there this season, so unbalanced
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 28 Feb 21:20
So now we only have one loan slot left and we’ve just wasted one on someone to sit on the bench while otoo who is an actual left back plays in the middle of the park? That’s what’s wrong with us.
The 2 loans should have been used on a winger and central midfielder.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 1 Mar 06:32
Quote:
Berkey, Fri 28 Feb 21:20
So now we only have one loan slot left and we’ve just wasted one on someone to sit on the bench while otoo who is an actual left back plays in the middle of the park? That’s what’s wrong with us.
The 2 loans should have been used on a winger and central midfielder.
Welcome to the Pars, Andre.
Berkey, let`s wait until he`s kicked a ball in earnest before deciding if he`s a "waste of a loan" or not, eh? Just because he comes as a LB doesn`t mean he`ll be sitting on the bench every week, waiting on Ngwenya picking up an injury. If he`s a good enough player, Tidser will surely find a role in the starting XI?
The suggestion that he could be used in left midfield is hardly outlandish, is it?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 1 Mar 06:43
Quote:
Aaron Labonte, Fri 28 Feb 16:02
Welcome to the pars! Hopefully no more dodgy threads appear from this
The thread was not "dodgy" at all, AL. It was badly misinterpreted by a few posters. I accepted the blame for couching it in a way that left room for it to be misinterpreted and apologised for that. The vast majority of posters interpreted it exactly as it was intended - a celebration of the vastly increased diversity of footballers in the Scottish game and the much improved attitudes among those watching it during my lifetime.
Let`s just leave it there, eh?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 1 Mar 07:29
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 28 Feb 19:57
When your only other option at LB is Chalmers I`d say it`s an area we needed to strengthen.
Exactly this I was really surprised we didn`t sign a left back in January better Jonathan never and it also gives competition for that position as well.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 1 Mar 07:43
Looks a good player.
St Johnstone fans seem to rate him as well which is usually a good sign.
We’ll just need someone in the middle to get on the end of his crosses. Maybe we should bring back Davie Moss after all!
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Sat 1 Mar 07:57
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 28 Feb 19:57
When your only other option at LB is Chalmers I`d say it`s an area we needed to strengthen.
Otoo is a natural left back though? We should’ve signed someone with a bit of quality in the middle of the park. Otoo just isn’t a midfielder no matter how much we play him there.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Sat 1 Mar 08:02
Why are people claiming Otoo is a natural LB? He played mostly CB for Celtic youth teams and Celtic B before coming here. Played LCB in a back 3 most of his loan spell here. Then we moved him to midfield, covering at LB a few times, but he’s never looked natural crossing a ball. Largely cause he’s not a LB so that doesn’t come naturally to him.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sat 1 Mar 08:39
Quote:
par-91, Sat 1 Mar 08:02
Why are people claiming Otoo is a natural LB?
It`s the latest .net band waggon, that can be used to criticise player choices and team selections.
We have enough reasons to be critical without making stuff up.
We`ve generally been a better team with Otoo in midfield. The recent games where he had to fill in at left back were poor.
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Sat 1 Mar 08:45
It states on our club website that Otoo is a defender who can play on the left side or in the centre of defence. Maybe the club are making stuff up as well? If you think Otoo should be playing in the centre of the park you’re deluded. He’s not got the ball control or range of passing to be effective there and he doesn’t contribute with enough goals.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 1 Mar 08:47
Quote:
fcda, Sat 1 Mar 08:39
Quote:
par-91, Sat 1 Mar 08:02
Why are people claiming Otoo is a natural LB?
It`s the latest .net band waggon, that can be used to criticise player choices and team selections.
We have enough reasons to be critical without making stuff up.
We`ve generally been a better team with Otoo in midfield. The recent games where he had to fill in at left back were poor.
Agreed you seen when we moved him to left back the midfield completely collapsed. Although I don`t think he is playing well at the minute I don`t think it`s down to him being a left back to trade.
Back onto the topic of the new signing it`s good we now have cover and competition for places in that position so happy with the signing.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sat 01 Mar 08:48)
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 1 Mar 08:49
Tbf to Tidser in his interview I just watched on YouTube he never mentioned competition for Ngwenya, he says he’ll provide competition down the left so possibly being utilised as a left midfielder.
I know it mentions Ngwenya on the COWS interview I read but online interview says otherwise.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 1 Mar 08:57
Otoo is absolutely dreadful at left back, so lets just avoid that option. If he has come in as cover, then it’s a waste of a loan when we need players that can start every week. If he’s come in to start as a left winger then let’s give him a chance. Cant be any worse than the current options there.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 1 Mar 09:50
I think you’re spot on Dave. It would be absolutely pointless in our situation to bring on a second left back to sit on the bench.
From the highlights I’ve seen Raymond looks more than capable of playing left wing, he attacks players, got pace, can tackle and put a decent ball into the box.
Would also dovetail pretty good with Ngwenya if he goes forward, he’d know to cover and sit in.
Makes sense to me but who am I to make that call, Tidsers been a manager for a year and half more than me :)
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 1 Mar 11:05
Quote:
Berkey, Fri 28 Feb 21:20
So now we only have one loan slot left and we’ve just wasted one on someone to sit on the bench while otoo who is an actual left back plays in the middle of the park? That’s what’s wrong with us.
The 2 loans should have been used on a winger and central midfielder.
Shut up mate
COYP
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 1 Mar 11:09
Otoo is wasted at LB. Emergency cover, sure. But he`s better in a back 3 or in midfield.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Sat 1 Mar 11:31
Hopefully he can be as influential as Josh Edwards going forward
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 1 Mar 11:45
Otoo was brought in as a central defender/left back. McPake to his credit, moved him into central midfield where he was much more effective. He`s been one of our best players since promotion and one of the few that could kick on to a higher level as proven in the Aberdeen game.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 1 Mar 13:16
Glad we’ve finally got some competition and cover at left back. Hopefully he will improve the squad.
I see Queen’s Park brought in Leon King on loan. That’s a fantastic signing for this level. Would have loved to see him and Mullen together.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 1 Mar 14:10
Straight in today.
Certainly not here as cover
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 01 Mar 14:11)
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Sat 1 Mar 15:54
Who said this guy is fast?
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Topic Originator: BlackLight
Date: Sat 1 Mar 17:09
Thought he looked good today (although I only saw the second half).
Pretty composed and wanted to get forward. Was happy to put in a tackle when needed.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 1 Mar 17:12
I stayed away today but was hearing he was rubbish first half. Good that he has a decent second half.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 1 Mar 17:17
He definitely wasn`t rubbish.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 1 Mar 17:27
Was better in the 2nd half. Looked to be inverting less which suited him more.
Considering he’s only signed yesterday he did ok and I’m sure he’ll get better.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 1 Mar 17:51
A nervy start, got better as the game went on.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 1 Mar 18:26
Think once Negwenya comes back I’d like to see Raymond in midfield. He has a bit of grit about him.
“.........it ain’t over till the Pars score!”
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 1 Mar 18:28
Thanks, Angus 🙄
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 1 Mar 18:44
No, da_no_1? In the first half rubbish would have been generous. That simple pass he played straight out was terrible. The free kick he took when we`d just gone down to ten and we needed to relieve some pressure but he didn`t beat the first man... he wasn`t the worst and he got slightly better in the second half, but was he an upgrade on an average Ngwenya performance? Not for me, Clive.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 1 Mar 18:47
I`d say he`s clearly a better footballer than Ngwenya.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 1 Mar 19:00
I maintain he wasn`t rubbish
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 1 Mar 19:08
Raymond was excellent. He`s great with the ball at his feet, times his tackles well and pretty fast. Looks like a real find.
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Topic Originator: steaua
Date: Sat 1 Mar 19:19
He was superb,
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 1 Mar 19:33
I think we should judge him in a couple of weeks once he’s actually met the squad and trained with them.
I am sure that once he has settled he’ll be an upgrade on Ngewnya.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sat 1 Mar 19:49
So in the first half when Shaw got around the defence and Raymond made a tackle two yards from our goal line wasn’t any good. I think sometimes people cannot see the good our players do. That took speed and also perception of play to get into that saving position.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 1 Mar 19:50
It’s not easy when you probably don’t even know all the names of your colleagues?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sat 1 Mar 19:52
Aye, the first half in general was poor - and Raymond had a bad moment when he passed the ball out of play. I think that maybe tinted the view of some.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 1 Mar 20:06
Yes parsmad68, that tackle in isolation was a good bit of covering. But out if possession he was far too high most of the game and in possession he didn`t do anything to suggest he`s any better than Ngwenya. In that first half when Morton had their best 20 minutes or so, the whole back four were all over the place. Even Chilokoa-Mullen looked a bit rattled.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 1 Mar 20:15
He’s not played since 5th January and only met the players yesterday. Let’s give him a chance, eh?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sat 1 Mar 21:44
Never hid from the ball. Big crowd
.. he`s not used to that.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 5 Mar 09:45
An interesting take on Andre Raymond`s loan move from the SJ manager in the Courier -
Simo Valakari wants to see Andre Raymond cut out the “sleepy moments” from his game that have prevented the full-back from becoming a first team regular under the St Johnstone boss. The 24-year-old has been loaned to Dunfermline for the rest of the season with a specific aim. And Valakari believes that if Ramond’s concentration levels improve during the Pars’ relegation battle, the Trinidad and Tobago international will enhance his opportunities at McDiarmid Park in the summer.
“Andre is a great, unique character,” said the Saints head coach. “He had some difficulties to learn our way of doing things – that every single day in training you need to be at the maximum in every moment. He’s a natural kid, like a street footballer. In some moments he can be excellent, in others he can switch off. That’s why we recommended that he goes out to play week in, week out and to learn from this to play more disciplined football. There is no doubt about his quality in attacking and, when he puts his full focus and concentration in, his defending.”
Raymond was a starter more often than not under Craig Levein, who signed him on the recommendation of former Saints midfielder, Dan Phillips. He got chances under Valakari as well after the managerial change, but dropped out of the first-team picture following the January defeat to Dundee, during which he was substituted before the half-hour mark.
“Andre is going to Dunfermline with a purpose,” Valakari added. “That he needs to learn to play week in, week out with good concentration and focus and close to his best level. We had that conversation with him. We had spoken before here with clips of those sleepy moments. He said he knows that happens sometimes. The only way to get out of it is to play the games and learn it, especially the way we play the game.”
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