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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 6 Mar 11:21
For those interested in such.
BBC Radio Scotland this morning from 9am - Stephen Jardine hosting chat on this subject.
I missed the start, so will catch up later on iPlayer.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 6 Mar 11:46
Nanny state already decided what’s best for us - yesterday;
“First Minister John Swinney has said he is “not sympathetic” to allowing alcohol at football games.
It comes after documents revealed Police Scotland would be willing to consider pilot projects to sell booze at matches.
Prior to his attendance at Scotland’s Nations League game against Croatia in November, First Minister John Swinney was briefed that a “limited number” of test projects to gather evidence on the effect of selling alcohol to fans were feasible.
But speaking on Wednesday, the First Minister knocked down any speculation such a plan would be forthcoming.
“I understand the aspiration amongst football clubs and some football interests to take forward measures to address the ban on alcohol in football stadiums,” he said.
“I’m not sympathetic to that.
“I understand where they’re coming from, but I am not sympathetic to that.””
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Thu 6 Mar 11:51
It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t buy a beer and watch the football.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Thu 6 Mar 12:06
Quote:
KnebworthPar, Thu 6 Mar 11:51
It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t buy a beer and watch the football.
It isn`t ridiculous, it`s is perfectly understandable. The cost of policing drunk fired up football fans justifies it.
I think maybe it is time to try some tests to see if we have learned a lesson.
I fully understand his concerns, though.
You can get a pint before and after.
I think it`s more ridiculous that you can`t go 90 minutes without a pint.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Thu 6 Mar 12:10
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 6 Mar 12:06
Quote:
KnebworthPar, Thu 6 Mar 11:51
It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t buy a beer and watch the football.
It isn`t ridiculous, it`s is perfectly understandable. The cost of policing drunk fired up football fans justifies it.
I think maybe it is time to try some tests to see if we have learned a lesson.
I fully understand his concerns, though.
You can get a pint before and after.
I think it`s more ridiculous that you can`t go 90 minutes without a pint.
So why is it acceptable to sell beer at a rugby ground?
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Topic Originator: broontroot
Date: Thu 6 Mar 12:17
Quote:
Kdy Par, Thu 6 Mar 12:10
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 6 Mar 12:06
Quote:
KnebworthPar, Thu 6 Mar 11:51
It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t buy a beer and watch the football.
It isn`t ridiculous, it`s is perfectly understandable. The cost of policing drunk fired up football fans justifies it.
I think maybe it is time to try some tests to see if we have learned a lesson.
I fully understand his concerns, though.
You can get a pint before and after.
I think it`s more ridiculous that you can`t go 90 minutes without a pint.
So why is it acceptable to sell beer at a rugby ground?
Because rugby fans on the whole seem to behave better than football fans with a drink in them
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Thu 6 Mar 12:32
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 6 Mar 12:06
Quote:
KnebworthPar, Thu 6 Mar 11:51
It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t buy a beer and watch the football.
It isn`t ridiculous, it`s is perfectly understandable. The cost of policing drunk fired up football fans justifies it.
I think maybe it is time to try some tests to see if we have learned a lesson.
I fully understand his concerns, though.
You can get a pint before and after.
I think it`s more ridiculous that you can`t go 90 minutes without a pint.
I get that point Parrot and yes it’s obvious why alcohol is banned but it is ridiculous that grown men and women cannot behave themselves enough so that the majority of us can enjoy a pint with a game.
Shameful really.
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Thu 6 Mar 12:33
Quote:
broontroot, Thu 6 Mar 12:17
Quote:
Kdy Par, Thu 6 Mar 12:10
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 6 Mar 12:06
Quote:
KnebworthPar, Thu 6 Mar 11:51
It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t buy a beer and watch the football.
It isn`t ridiculous, it`s is perfectly understandable. The cost of policing drunk fired up football fans justifies it.
I think maybe it is time to try some tests to see if we have learned a lesson.
I fully understand his concerns, though.
You can get a pint before and after.
I think it`s more ridiculous that you can`t go 90 minutes without a pint.
So why is it acceptable to sell beer at a rugby ground?
Because rugby fans on the whole seem to behave better than football fans with a drink in them
So what about football fans in England, Italy they are allowed to drink in stadiums why aren`t Scots? Its also too easy just to point the finger at the Glasgow teams.
Going to football in Scotland is such a backwards experience.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Thu 6 Mar 12:37
It`s a no from me, rugby is a pain to watch these days with people constantly up and down from the seats, atmosphere is different than football, but it`s an annoying atmosphere due to it being more of a jolly good day out than a sporting occasion.
Football fans don`t need much encouragement to be angry, look at our lot towards Ross McArthur, can you imagine if they were bladdered as well?
Then you have the games that have decent police presence.we can`t seem to stop people throwing things onto the pitch as it is. That`s just us, what about the ugly sisters etc?
I don`t drink, but don`t see the advantages, I doubt it would be a money spinner either.
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Thu 6 Mar 13:00
i think you need to have a look at your lifestyle if you cant sit for 2 hours without a beer.
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Thu 6 Mar 13:16
Why make excuses for people who can’t behave themselves?
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Thu 6 Mar 13:40
I was down at an English Championship game and they were selling vodka and red bull at half time!
I`m not fussed about drinking during the game but it would certainly help clubs bring in more revenue.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 6 Mar 13:48
Quote:
pars no1, Thu 6 Mar 13:00
i think you need to have a look at your lifestyle if you cant sit for 2 hours without a beer.
That`s not the argument being had here whatsoever.
People should be allowed to choose to enjoy a beer whilst (supposedly) enjoying the game. It`s not about whether you desperately need a drink, it`s about choosing to do so. Much the same as at the cinema, restaurant or indeed other sporting events.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Thu 6 Mar 14:07
But what about everyone else, do we not have the right not to have people constantly going back and forth to the bar and obstructing views?
I`m not even particularly massively against it, I just think we are better without it, especially behaviour wise.
As for income? I`m not thinking it would be a great revenue stream at all-when I was younger going to the football could be the start of an all day bender, I don`t think enough people do that these days, certainly not the younger generation, the rest of us have got lives to live after the football as well.
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Thu 6 Mar 14:07
Quote:
broontroot, Thu 6 Mar 12:17
Quote:
Kdy Par, Thu 6 Mar 12:10
Quote:
PARrot, Thu 6 Mar 12:06
Quote:
KnebworthPar, Thu 6 Mar 11:51
It is absolutely ridiculous that you can’t buy a beer and watch the football.
It isn`t ridiculous, it`s is perfectly understandable. The cost of policing drunk fired up football fans justifies it.
I think maybe it is time to try some tests to see if we have learned a lesson.
I fully understand his concerns, though.
You can get a pint before and after.
I think it`s more ridiculous that you can`t go 90 minutes without a pint.
So why is it acceptable to sell beer at a rugby ground?
Because rugby fans on the whole seem to behave better than football fans with a drink in them
How do you know that? We’ve not sold alcohol in football grounds for about 40 years.
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Topic Originator: DavieG
Date: Thu 6 Mar 14:30
i often go to elland road and often have a beer at half time and theres never anyone too drunk ... absolutely no reason why i cant have a beer at half time at east end :( ... and as many folks are up n down buying coffees, pies or drinks for themsellves and theor kids
just dont get it
"marching on together"
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 6 Mar 14:36
all about timing, same day as 3 clubs receive varying section closures etc at future games due to ongoing issues with Pyrotechnics its time to discuss alcohol... when could that mix ever end well
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 6 Mar 14:40
Quote:
neils, Thu 6 Mar 14:07
But what about everyone else, do we not have the right not to have people constantly going back and forth to the bar and obstructing views?
I`m not even particularly massively against it, I just think we are better without it, especially behaviour wise.
As for income? I`m not thinking it would be a great revenue stream at all-when I was younger going to the football could be the start of an all day bender, I don`t think enough people do that these days, certainly not the younger generation, the rest of us have got lives to live after the football as well.
Sell it up til kick off and at HT.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 6 Mar 15:47
It would seem the return of the ,it`s too cold , we`re not good , etc let`s just stay in legends ,and put your entrance money over the bar .
Or were 3 up at halftime ,tie to go to legends .
Post Edited (Thu 06 Mar 15:48)
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Topic Originator: FA1968
Date: Thu 6 Mar 15:49
Anybody who ever attended a Scotland match at hampden up to the mid 80s and was sober swimming in p*sh 20 minutes in would be swayed that alcohol and football don’t mix well.
Can you imagine some of our lot wellied up with a pyro and a can of tennents super lager in their hand. Carnage and the NW closed down within a month.
At rugby there is generally little aggression in the stands towards other teams, other fans or the officials and fans mix generally well, neither of these points is applicable to football.
So a no from me, it’s about risk and reward for any club, the risk is way too high for minimal reward.
Some would call it the nanny state, I would say the few have ruined it for the many.
Post Edited (Thu 06 Mar 15:51)
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Thu 6 Mar 16:08
Every discussion in media I have heard about this is to bring us in line with England. Nobody drinking in seats etc, no serving when the game is on. Those that want to get tanked up for a game are doing so already. The notion that drinking in the stadium and not a pub will turn us all into drunken psychopaths is absurd. I just don`t get the opposition to it. Limit it to beer (even session strength).
Outside of the Old Firm, are we any worse than those that attend every week in England.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 6 Mar 16:08
Being a non drinker it`s of no concern to me however I do think people should be allowed a beer at the football.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 6 Mar 16:24
We had beer served in the fanzone if I remember correctly. Fair enough it was smaller crowds and only the one stand but it was fine.
The way oor national team were playing ye needed a beer 😂
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 6 Mar 16:44
I think it’s time it was trialed again outside of the Celtic and Rangers games and this notion it will encourage drunken louts to be worse is probably wide of the mark as fans tend to get tanked up before the game speed drinking before heading to the stadium whether home or away.
If fans knew they could get a beer at the game they would most likely refrain from getting tanked up.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
Post Edited (Thu 06 Mar 16:44)
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Topic Originator: LEGEND85
Date: Thu 6 Mar 16:57
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 6 Mar 16:44
I think it’s time it was trialed again outside of the Celtic and Rangers games and this notion it will encourage drunken louts to be worse is probably wide of the mark as fans tend to get tanked up before the game speed drinking before heading to the stadium whether home or away.
If fans knew they could get a beer at the game they would most likely refrain from getting tanked up.
Yeah I think thus is fairly accurate
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 6 Mar 18:35
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 6 Mar 16:44
I think it’s time it was trialed again outside of the Celtic and Rangers games and this notion it will encourage drunken louts to be worse is probably wide of the mark as fans tend to get tanked up before the game speed drinking before heading to the stadium whether home or away.
If fans knew they could get a beer at the game they would most likely refrain from getting tanked up.
Another nail in the coffin ⚰️ of pubs....
I`d suspect the only winners in Scotland for allowing alcohol at matches is the 2 clubs that caused its original ban.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Thu 6 Mar 18:39
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 6 Mar 18:35
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 6 Mar 16:44
I think it’s time it was trialed again outside of the Celtic and Rangers games and this notion it will encourage drunken louts to be worse is probably wide of the mark as fans tend to get tanked up before the game speed drinking before heading to the stadium whether home or away.
If fans knew they could get a beer at the game they would most likely refrain from getting tanked up.
Another nail in the coffin ⚰️ of pubs....
I`d suspect the only winners in Scotland for allowing alcohol at matches is the 2 clubs that caused its original ban.
Agree totally with this
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 6 Mar 18:46
In the unlikely event you could get beer at the game at least it would stagger arrival over the 255 rush
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 6 Mar 22:29
A major part of the problem in the distant past (pre 1980) was beer cans being taken into grounds - which then made handy ammuntion.
It wasn`t only Old Firm fans - I mind a cup game v Aberdeen at EEP where such trouble erupted after the Pars (in a lower tier) scored to take the lead.
The more recent blanket ban on containers might help eliminate that - but nothing is sure.
A trial run in designated sections of the ground sounds reasonable - dry elsewhere.
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Topic Originator: grelin
Date: Fri 7 Mar 05:10
I agree with Da No.1 in that I`m not convinced it would be a great revenue stream for the club and the revenue it did generate would not be worth the hassle for various reasons. The one area where it should be allowed, is hospitality, having done the boxes at EEP a few times over the years with the Centenary Club, I could never accept it was justified in not providing alcohol in the comfort of the boxes during the game. This would in my opinion be an additional revenue stream in a suitably controlled environment.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 7 Mar 06:04
I don`t drink, but I`d be perfectly happy for my fellow supporters to be able to have a drink at the football.
Governments love to ban stuff, I`m sure politicians ambition unconscious or otherwise is to cagole people into behaving in a way acceptable to them.
When is the last time a government lifted a ban on something?
If this does happen I`m sure it will be watered down into something so weak and that you have to jump through hoops so it takes most of the fun about it.
Let the fans eat, drink and be merry.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Fri 7 Mar 08:57
Our young fans are bad enough already
without booze, so no way should alcohol
be served at football. Different at the Rugby
games, where the fans are so different.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 7 Mar 09:28
Quote:
Jock Par36, Fri 7 Mar 08:57
Our young fans are bad enough already
without booze, so no way should alcohol
be served at football. Different at the Rugby
games, where the fans are so different.
Rubbish.
The "young fans" who are most likely causing this bother won`t be affected. They`re under-age and if properly enforced, won`t be able to buy drink.
As a country, why do we constantly find reasons for things not to change, instead of making it happen.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Fri 07 Mar 09:28)
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Fri 7 Mar 09:36
with yesterdays news that club have reinstated Sky sports. Having additional hospitality etc on sale as well as TVs in the concourses etc where they would be able to show lunchtime kick offs etc it could be a real difference. Not sure how many would choose a damp/cold concourse in the winter over a pub but certainly need to look outside the box in terms of how we maximise revenue from kiosks etc
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Fri 7 Mar 09:48
So young fans do not drink, that is total rubbish.
Come through to Lochgelly and you will see
youngsters on the Buckfast and other drink.
So think before talking your rubbish.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 7 Mar 09:52
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Fri 7 Mar 09:36
with yesterdays news that club have reinstated Sky sports. Having additional hospitality etc on sale as well as TVs in the concourses etc where they would be able to show lunchtime kick offs etc it could be a real difference. Not sure how many would choose a damp/cold concourse in the winter over a pub but certainly need to look outside the box in terms of how we maximise revenue from kiosks etc
Hi Playup, you have identified a customer problem. If this is what drags people out of pubs to the game then what could be done with the concourse and would it make viable financial sense to have a warm environment for people to go to outside of the boxes. Solve enough problems and you have a solution. The problem of course, is still the law.
Post Edited (Fri 07 Mar 09:53)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 7 Mar 10:23
Quote:
Jock Par36, Fri 7 Mar 09:48
So young fans do not drink, that is total rubbish.
Come through to Lochgelly and you will see
youngsters on the Buckfast and other drink.
So think before talking your rubbish.
This is hard work.
I didn`t say youngsters didn`t drink. I said they wouldn`t be able to buy drink legally inside EEP.
So you`re point is totally irrelevant.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 7 Mar 10:49
People thinking that having a bar in the ground for an hour prior to kick off and 15 minutes at half time is going to cause drunken louts are just stuck in the mindset of “no alcohol” not thinking that folk drink for hours prior anyway!
The income stream from this could be helpful for the club, may even cover the extra policing costs we currently have anyway 🫢
And the pub business is over these days anyway, even without alcohol in grounds!
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Fri 7 Mar 11:10
Scottish alcohol deaths at 15-year high
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5233gn67o
IMO I think the ban on alcohol in stadiums should be kept.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Fri 7 Mar 11:17
Quote:
MinnesotaAndy, Fri 7 Mar 11:10
Scottish alcohol deaths at 15-year high
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5233gn67o
IMO I think the ban on alcohol in stadiums should be kept.
If this is correct then surely the Scottish government minimum pricing on alcohol has failed .
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 7 Mar 11:27
Again, a ban on £6 pints in a football stadium isn’t going to help with alcohol related deaths…….
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 7 Mar 12:16
I would question those statistics like any statistics.
For example we all remember the lie of COVID statistics or has that been forgotten now.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Fri 7 Mar 12:19
Youngsters are not allowed to buy booze
yet somehow they manage to get it. Remember
that some of our so young louts are in their eary 20s.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 7 Mar 13:17
I think that selling alcohol in the stadium will actually help the problems occasionally caused by the young teams behaviour.
Older people will have a few pints in them, and so will be more likely to give the unruly youngsters a good punch in the puss if they overstep the mark- that`ll teach them
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 7 Mar 15:21
Quote:
red-star-par, Fri 7 Mar 13:17
I think that selling alcohol in the stadium will actually help the problems occasionally caused by the young teams behaviour.
Older people will have a few pints in them, and so will be more likely to give the unruly youngsters a good punch in the puss if they overstep the mark- that`ll teach them
🤣 Brilliant. Thanks for that.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 7 Mar 15:38
Quote:
parsmad68, Fri 7 Mar 12:16
I would question those statistics like any statistics.
For example we all remember the lie of COVID statistics or has that been forgotten now.
Like "Safe and effective".
Shhhhhhh.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 7 Mar 15:41
Prohibition and putting prices up doesn`t stop those determined to get hammered.
Personally, I think football has changed drastically over the past few years. People expect "experiences" nowadays and those who say they don`t are becoming a minority.
I remember watching the Blue Jays many years ago and it was far more of an event. Loads of food outlets serving all sorts of food and drink. Quite different to your typical Scottish pie and Bovril.
I`m not convinced serving alcohol during a game is necessarily worthwhile but it would be good to see more thought put into the catering facilities. I appreciate we can`t go throwing money around but the catering at East End is pretty poor IMO. Would no small outlets be interested in setting up a concession on match days?
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Topic Originator: Par Dan
Date: Fri 7 Mar 17:37
It’s 2025 I definitely believe you should be able to buy a pint at the football without a riot breaking out.
I’d go one further and offer a mild to medium strength sedative just to combat the eye bleeding football we’ve been accustomed to over the past few years .
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Fri 7 Mar 18:33
Makes sense to trial it. It`s a long time since it was first banned. Could be restricted to certain areas of the ground, if necessary.
Start in the lower leagues. Move up every 6 months or so if it`s going ok. If it starts to look dodgy re-apply the ban at that level and above. Review (and maybe retry) every few years.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 8 Mar 06:34
Of course but the Main Stand only, where
no one throws flares onto the pitch.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Sat 8 Mar 07:48
The concourses in the main stand and the North West/East aren’t big enough if we were to follow the English model. It would only work in the Norrie and Cowden end.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sat 8 Mar 08:51
In England they`re trialling allowing alcohol in the seats at women`s games.
Don`t see that much point of trialling the current English model. Trial the full experience and see how it goes.
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