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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sat 22 Nov 17:28
Another below average performance for yet another Premiership referee in the Championship today.
It doesn’t seem to get much better.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 22 Nov 17:50
He seemed to want the game to flow which I like but did seem to go a bit too far in letting things go.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 22 Nov 17:55
Best ref this season. Let loads go for both sides that other refs would have been blowing fouls for. Let the game flow. Sure he missed a couple and did blow for a couple of soft ones but overall the best we have had this season.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 22 Nov 17:57
There is a difference between letting the game flow and ignoring cynical fouls, late challenges abd obvious free kicks though.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sat 22 Nov 18:02
Looked like a two handed push in the back for a pentalty in the first minute.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 22 Nov 18:35
Topic Originator: kelty_par like
Date: Sat 22 Nov 17:57
There is a difference between letting the game flow and ignoring cynical fouls, late challenges abd obvious free kicks though.
He wasn’t perfect, he’s a ref after all.
Very few decision today that I disagreed with. The one where Matty was taken out at the dug outs should have been a foul. However over all he was pretty fair and consistent. Rather have a ref like that than one who gets “ played” and ends up blowing for foul after foul after foul like the one we had against St Johnstone.
Refs get mega criticism and rightly so most of the time but the ref today was the best I have seen in a very very long time…
He was also right to ignore Chris Kanes pathetic attempts to win fouls. It’s a part of his game I dislike. Cost us possession a couple of times late on..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 22 Nov 20:23
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Sat 22 Nov 18:02
Looked like a two handed push in the back for a pentalty in the first minute.
Agree. Both hands were in his back.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 22 Nov 20:29
Morton could have had a penalty for a pretty blatant push from a corner. Think it was Mullen on their #6 at the back post.
There was quite a cynical one on big Barney (maybe why he didn`t make it out for 2nd half?) right down his calf or achilles where he played advantage but when the play eventually stoppedn a while later he barely spoke to their player let alone book him.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 22 Nov 20:33
I felt that we should have scored at least another 3 goals.
With a wee bit more composure we would have.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 22 Nov 20:41
Ref was another inconsistent donkey. Make your mind up, are two handed shoves in the back fouls or not? You can`t flip flop between them.
I understand letting things go to allow the game to flow but there were 4 or 5 completely cynical fouls committed in the first half that he ignored, including players being shoved whilst jumping for a ball which is dangerous play.
Not to mention Moffat going down whenever he felt a breath and being awarded a foul, poor poor refereeing
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 22 Nov 21:31
Refs under scrutiny again as they deny Livi a blatant penalty at Ibrox - and didn’t even send the ref to the monitor to review it.
Absolute disgrace
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 22 Nov 21:38
Quote:
desparado, Sat 22 Nov 17:55
Best ref this season. Let loads go for both sides that other refs would have been blowing fouls for. Let the game flow. Sure he missed a couple and did blow for a couple of soft ones but overall the best we have had this season.
You must be drinking Meduri!
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Topic Originator: Parsweep
Date: Sat 22 Nov 21:52
Ref was absolute cr*p as per usual .
Bobvo
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Topic Originator: DrumRoad
Date: Sat 22 Nov 21:59
IMO, he was a sh1t referee being a piece of sh1t
Some of the stuff he let go should without doubt have been fouls & a number should have involved a yellow card
I’m all in favour of letting a game flow but not so much that it could easily impact on the result
The standard of referees at our games this season seems very poor (he says wearing his black & white tinted glasses)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 22 Nov 23:36
Glad Lennon wasn`t in the dugout!
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sat 22 Nov 23:39
Yes,it’s a good job he wasn’t in the dugout, probably another ban!
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sun 23 Nov 07:34
I thought the ref was pretty good, let the game flow, possibly let a little too much go but I felt he was consistent with this at least. A couple of things he missed, was a foul on Tod by the touchline, should have been a yellow as taking someone out in the air is dangerous - the guy made no attempt to play the ball. Similarly the lad who took out Barney deserved a booking.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 23 Nov 12:15
Despite me saying that I thought the ref was “ good “. ( better than most this season ) I still have absolutely no idea why Chis Kane was booked ? 🤷🏼♂️
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: adj27
Date: Sun 23 Nov 12:32
Deliberate handball
Andy
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Topic Originator: JoshPars4life
Date: Sun 23 Nov 12:37
Don`t know what game some of you were watching if you thought the refereeing performance was good. From the grab/elbow on barney to the borderline red card that didn`t even get looked at, not to mention the grappling and two hands on the back that went consistently unpunished it was an incredibly poor performance.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 23 Nov 13:13
Topic Originator: JoshPars4life like
Date: Sun 23 Nov 12:37
Don`t know what game some of you were watching if you thought the refereeing performance was good. From the grab/elbow on barney to the borderline red card that didn`t even get looked at, not to mention the grappling and two hands on the back that went consistently unpunished it was an incredibly poor performance.
You’ve been conditioned over the years by refs giving fouls for absolutely everything, the slightest touch or grab. The ref against St Johnstone was a prime example, he must have blown for a foul every 15 seconds in the second half of that match. Those of us who are old enough remember the days when you could actually challenge for a ball without it being penalized.
The ref yesterday did miss things, he did make mistakes….they all do, but he was pretty consistent throughout and imho the best we have had this season.
Wait till you see the ref against Partick then you might change your mind about the one yesterday…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sun 23 Nov 15:44
Quote:
desparado, Sun 23 Nov 13:13
Topic Originator: JoshPars4life like
Date: Sun 23 Nov 12:37
Don`t know what game some of you were watching if you thought the refereeing performance was good. From the grab/elbow on barney to the borderline red card that didn`t even get looked at, not to mention the grappling and two hands on the back that went consistently unpunished it was an incredibly poor performance.
You’ve been conditioned over the years by refs giving fouls for absolutely everything, the slightest touch or grab. The ref against St Johnstone was a prime example, he must have blown for a foul every 15 seconds in the second half of that match. Those of us who are old enough remember the days when you could actually challenge for a ball without it being penalized.
The ref yesterday did miss things, he did make mistakes….they all do, but he was pretty consistent throughout and imho the best we have had this season.
Wait till you see the ref against Partick then you might change your mind about the one yesterday…
Sorry Desperado when a player goes in with a straight leg and studs up, which I can see from the North West, in line with the linesman who could equally see it and the referee just didn’t look at it. I lost my blob at that one. If conditioning to modern standards is my opinion, then I believe player safety against reckless challenges is paramount and the referee didn’t get any hold of the situation yesterday.
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sun 23 Nov 16:06
We’ve all forgotten about the incident where it seemed like the referee picked up a shin pad and handed it to the dug out?
Surely it’s within his duty of care to stop the game and return it to said player that’s lost it.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 23 Nov 16:42
I thought the ref was alright, yes few poor decisions, thought we should’ve had a penalty in the first minute and then the foul on Todd but have to say I preferred his approach of letting the game flow.
He was also consistent with it - referees at this level are never perfect but he was one of the better ones and have to give him kudos for not making the game all about him.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 23 Nov 17:01
Quote:
par_33, Sun 23 Nov 16:06
We’ve all forgotten about the incident where it seemed like the referee picked up a shin pad and handed it to the dug out?
Surely it’s within his duty of care to stop the game and return it to said player that’s lost it.
Players still wear shin pads? 🤔
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 23 Nov 17:04
In the ref`s defence, he`s not an attention seeker, constantly whistling and needlessly spoiling the game.
On the other hand, he can`t ignore blatant fouls, especially inside the box, or play the advantage when there is none, just because the team that was fouled manage to retain possession. I believe he missed a penalty and ignored a possible red card.
That`s not good refereeing.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Sun 23 Nov 17:13
It was probably the best ref performance this season. I didn't feel he thought he was the main man, and the game flowed pretty well.
He was also inconsistent, missed clear fouls where the intent was to endanger the opponent and just didn`t speak to players that clearly needed talking too. The bar is so low now that being pretty hopeless is about all we can hope for
Post Edited (Sun 23 Nov 17:13)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Nov 18:40
I see Ross Hardie, who refereed our game against SJ two weeks ago, was in charge of the Rangers v Livi game yesterday and denied Livi a penalty for handball, a decision upheld by VAR which angered David Martindale. The consensus opinion of the media seemed to be Livi were hard done by.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sun 23 Nov 19:11
Thats the best refereeing performance of the season imo. Obviously not that high a bar but prioritised letting the game flow and thats the sign of a good ref i think. I think it was more of a case of our young boys not using that to their advantage at times.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Sun 23 Nov 20:02
Folk saying that was the best ref all season.Holy sht.
What we`re you watching?
Blatent two handed pushes not punished time after time. One was a clear penalty in the first minute.
Not naming posters names on this thread but the desperate attempts to post like Socks is embarrassing.
Post Edited (Sun 23 Nov 20:02)
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sun 23 Nov 20:41
I know a forum is for different opinions but it is staggering to see a number of people on here who think that was a good refereeing performance.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 23 Nov 20:54
He wasn’t the worst this season but he certainly was nowhere near the best.
That disregard of a blatant two handed push in the back in the box was astounding.
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Sun 23 Nov 20:59
He was constant
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 23 Nov 21:01
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 23 Nov 18:40
I see Ross Hardie, who refereed our game against SJ two weeks ago, was in charge of the Rangers v Livi game yesterday and denied Livi a penalty for handball, a decision upheld by VAR which angered David Martindale. The consensus opinion of the media seemed to be Livi were hard done by.
It was a stone waller……,how it didn’t go to VAR was staggering, and had it been the other way around there would be statements and complaints galore for a week.
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Topic Originator: Par-timer
Date: Sun 23 Nov 21:21
Yesterday was a typical Colin Steven performance to be fair. He was up with play (so much so that he kindly obstructed a Morton player on one occasion for us in the second half), and let the game flow, not wasting time (as many do) on pointless lectures after minor incidents. However, he clearly has what might charitably be described as an inconsistent view as to what constitutes foul play, and given that his first duty is the safety of the players, letting dangerous challenges go is a real concern. What usually happens in his matches is that the players eventually just ignore him and get on with it playground-style, accepting that holding/pushing etc will go unpunished and knowing that there is no chance of dialogue with him, and the game itself is usually not too bad as a result, despite the seeth from both sets of fans (and, presumably, players).
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 24 Nov 11:44
Quote:
Par-timer, Sun 23 Nov 21:21
Yesterday was a typical Colin Steven performance to be fair. He was up with play (so much so that he kindly obstructed a Morton player on one occasion for us in the second half), and let the game flow, not wasting time (as many do) on pointless lectures after minor incidents. However, he clearly has what might charitably be described as an inconsistent view as to what constitutes foul play, and given that his first duty is the safety of the players, letting dangerous challenges go is a real concern. What usually happens in his matches is that the players eventually just ignore him and get on with it playground-style, accepting that holding/pushing etc will go unpunished and knowing that there is no chance of dialogue with him, and the game itself is usually not too bad as a result, despite the seeth from both sets of fans (and, presumably, players).
If he refereed like that in, say Italy or Argentina, the fouling would get progressively worse and probably end in a mass brawl. I know, cos it happened to me in an Inter village knockout tournament.
Letting the game flow is an alien concept. 🙄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: adj27
Date: Mon 24 Nov 12:01
This was exactly what I said at half time - I liked that he let play go on so much but felt there was a real chance of players taking advantage and getting completely out of control in the second half. In fairness though this didn’t happen.
Andy
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Nov 12:30
Colin Steven must be one of the longest-serving referees on the list but I think it`s fair to say he`s not considered by the SFA to be in the top echelon of officials. He doesn`t seem to get appointed to handle national cup semis or finals. Maybe that`s because he takes a more lenient approach than some.
I think he ref`d the 3-3 game against Falkirk last Christmas in which he gave us two penalties but let Falkirk take a very quick free kick on the edge of our box which led to a goal.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 24 Nov 17:59
"I think he ref`d the 3-3 game against Falkirk last Christmas in which he gave us two penalties but let Falkirk take a very quick free kick on the edge of our box which led to a goal."
That goal was perfectly legal.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Nov 18:10
Was the free kick taken from the spot where the infringement took place? How often are the team taking the free kick told to wait for the referee`s whistle before kicking the ball? Just another example of the inconsistency in applying the Laws of the Game.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Mon 24 Nov 19:33
You dont need to wait for a whistle unless there is a ceremony.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Mon 24 Nov 21:50
Quote:
doctordandruff, Mon 24 Nov 19:33
You dont need to wait for a whistle unless there is a ceremony.
Don`t know if it`s a rule but generally, if the quick free kick is not taken exactly at the spot of the foul, the ref will call it back. This was the complaint for the Falkirk one.
Was it Chic Charnley that scored a quick free kick against us for Hibs? My hazy recollection was that the ref was moving the wall back at the time but allowed it to stand despite protests.
Post Edited (Mon 24 Nov 21:53)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 24 Nov 22:34
"Was the free kick taken from the spot where the infringement took place? How often are the team taking the free kick told to wait for the referee`s whistle before kicking the ball? Just another example of the inconsistency in applying the Laws of the Game"
There is no requirement for a free kick to be delayed for the referee whistle if he opts to allow the advantage of it being taken quickly.
No inconsistency allowing advantage where it punishes the offending side.
A different matter of course if the kick is not taken from where the infringement occurred - but that`s a separate issue.
Older fans may remember the 5-6 loss to Hibs at EEP in the mid 1960s......they got a late free kick, taken very quickly and went on to score the winner.
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Topic Originator: doctordandruff
Date: Tue 25 Nov 13:00
Quote:
fcda, Mon 24 Nov 21:50
Quote:
doctordandruff, Mon 24 Nov 19:33
You dont need to wait for a whistle unless there is a ceremony.
Don`t know if it`s a rule but generally, if the quick free kick is not taken exactly at the spot of the foul, the ref will call it back. This was the complaint for the Falkirk one.
Was it Chic Charnley that scored a quick free kick against us for Hibs? My hazy recollection was that the ref was moving the wall back at the time but allowed it to stand despite protests.
Yeah, it has to be the right spot or it cant be taken at all. Also some refs automatically indicate its to the whistle if its within a certain distance just to avoid the `Henry` goal a few years back. But I am sure, if its in the right place and the ref doesnt need to halt the play, that a restart is entirely in the control of the fouled team.
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