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Topic Originator: parak obama
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:22
DUNFERMLINE: Billy Terrell: Chris Hamilton (c), Jeremiah Chilokoa-Mullen, Kieran Ngwenya, Robbie Fraser: Matty Todd, Charlie Gilmour, Josh Cooper: Rory Macleod, Andrew Tod, Zak Rudden
SUBS: Kyle Benedictus, Ewan Otoo, Kane Ritchie-Hosler, Sam Fisher, Barney Stewart, Keith Bray, Tashan Oakley-Boothe, Lucas Fyfe, Deniz Mehmet (GK)
AYR UNITED: Liam Russell: Nick McAllister, Kevin Holt, Leon King, Scott McMann: Ben Dempsey (c), Stuart Bannigan, Mark McKenzie, Marco Rus, Jamie Murphy, Anton Dowds
SUBS: Jamie Hislop, Shaun Want, Dylan Watret, Dom Thomas, Jack Simpson, Aaron Brown, Lucas McRoberts, Curtis Main, David Mitchell (GK)
REFEREE: Calum Scott
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:25
Whats the formation??
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Topic Originator: Sammy_Must_Die
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:26
Quote:
shellypar, Sat 20 Dec 14:25
Whats the formation??
Depends if Ngwenya can play CH. If not if say 442 with Robbie Fraser wide left.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:27
I wonder if the ref will be dancing on his own today?
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:28
Strange team
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:35
Very worrying line up
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:37
Caceres and Kane injured?
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:38
Maybe the illness bug thats going around, quite common for players to be missing december time
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 20 Dec 14:39
Really hope we’re on not trying to play with 3 CBs today with only one recognised CB starting.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:06
All over the place. 0-1
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:07
0-1 again. Where was our defence?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:09
Is there illness, a bug or has Lennon chucked it?
Awful lineup, awful start, again.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:13
Hamilton at right wing back worries me a bit. Doesn`t have the pace for it.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:13
Dandy Warhol wrote:
> Is there illness, a bug or has Lennon chucked it?
> Awful lineup, awful start, again.
>
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They said that there was doubt about J.Tod due to a knock he picked up in the Arbroath game but anyone who watched the warm up that day will have seen his knee was strapped beforehand so maybe they have their games mixed up.
IB hinted at a few issues/knocks post match on Tuesday whilst I can`t recall his exact words it might well have been a pointer to a bug as that`s been the rumour.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:14
Maybe I`m biased and in a minority, but I still don`t get why Connor Young is playing and scoring for East Kilbride when he could be playing and scoring for us.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:19
Quote:
CitizenPar, Sat 20 Dec 15:14
Maybe I`m biased and in a minority, but I still don`t get why Connor Young is playing and scoring for East Kilbride when he could be playing and scoring for us.
Because East Kilbride don`t play in the Championship where he couldn`t score.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:28
Absolutely bloody horrendous
Few supporters just left the stadium
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:28
Ffs
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:28
0-2. Absolutely horrid defending again.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:28
This is awful. Doing literally everything wrong. Wrong formation, wrong personnel, can`t pass, can`t cross, can`t defend one-on-one, can`t take a man on one-on-one, midfield all over the place, second to every ball... and now 2 down. Sigh.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:30
I might go home at HT
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:30
Don`t think many will be surprised the form has been poor and the back line makeshift today, already thinking of next Saturday in Kirkcaldy.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:37
I won`t be going to Kirkcaldy next week.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:38
Anton Dowes is being given so much space by our defence. We are seriously off the pace here. Ayr wins every contested ball. Ou instict always is to pass back rather than forward. Our passing is woeful. More of this and I could see us lose this 5-0.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:39
We’re been really poor for weeks now, the youngsters look like they have run out of steam and there’s zero intensity to our play.
It’s like the end of the mcpake reign, the players look done in. Too many players playing today from last season.
This has been coming. Just have to hope there’s some good recruitment early in in Jan, we need 3 or 4 who can come straight into the starting line up.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:47
Today`s **** show will not surprise most folk , we have been honking for weeks now , giving cheap goal after cheap goal away
We need to get folk in the door to help these youngsters or we might just manage to get 8th position
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:50
On a really poor slump right now, the defending in particular has been woeful. A lot to clean up and have to hope they can find some quality in January to supplement the squad, because a few of these guys are just miles off it.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:51
O.F.F. Shocking. 0-3.
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:51
Keystone cops stuff in defence again.
Keeper flapping away and no challenge on the loose ball.
Playing for pride in the second half now.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:53
Jesus what a rollercoaster, we went to Ayr and won 1-0 on the tele about 7 weeks ago and now at home 3 down at HT. Really desperate form of late.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:54
Game over by half time, it’s worse than tidser ball.
Let’s just concentrate on staying mid table nevermind getting anywhere near the top 4.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: xgatespars
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:55
This drop off in performance has been massive, they look nothing like the team from earlier in the season.
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:55
No idea what is going on with the squad these days but the defending is embarrassing and they have no drive going forward. Reverted to last season`s play style of toothless passing and calamity defending.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:56
A nothing team going nowhere. Better than last year though so we should be right thankful. Miles and miles away from a good team. Raith next so I’d stay hidden under your bed for that.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:56
Will give it 5 minutes in the second half but can see me leaving very early.
This is as bad as the Hamilton game under Kenny or that run we had under Grant or the spell where we had all those injuries under McPake. Can`t even get basics right like getting to second balls, pressing as a unit, testing their keeper (who looks like he`ll concede if we hit the target high and hard).
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:56
Will give it 5 minutes in the second half but can see me leaving very early.
This is as bad as the Hamilton game under Kenny or that run we had under Grant or the spell where we had all those injuries under McPake. Can`t even get basics right like getting to second balls, pressing as a unit, testing their keeper (who looks like he`ll concede if we hit the target high and hard).
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:57
Shambles.
Hammy is not a RWB. Fisher is a RWB.
Cooper + McLeod are passengers.
‘Hello my name is Jefferson - I’m happy to be here let’s go!’
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 20 Dec 15:59
Totally clueless from the whole team front to back.
Utterly sh1te!!!!
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:01
James Bord is here , so perhaps it`s a cunning plan to persuade him to spend big money in January...
Seriously, there`s a huge gulf between these two teams. We have too many guys either playing out of their natural position, or out of form, or both.
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:01
Lennon needs to GTF
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:04
When is our manager back !
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:04
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Sat 20 Dec 16:01
Lennon needs to GTF
Lennon is only back in the past few days so can`t blame him. The lineup is baffling but must be down to injuries otherwise that defensive lineup is bizarre.
Need to get stuck in now. Nothing to lose. Bring Barney on if nothing else.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:05
Rigger Al wrote:
> When is our manager back !
He`s in the stand due back in the dugout next week I believe
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:05
Cheers
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:08
We have to be honest , we have been rank rotten lately , I was talking on Thursday to a neebur from Ayr , and he told me that if Ayr score first against us we will cave in and it will end up being pars 0 - Ayr 5 , at present I am really glad I didn`t put a bet on with him
The Management have to take some of the blame for this **** show of late also instead of making excuse they are young lads and are going to make mistakes , we know that will happen but surely not week after week
Enough said as we have 45 mins to turn it around ( I wish )
As it stands only Ayr at present and Ross County have put 3 past us in the league
Queen of the south put 4 past us ,
Post Edited (Sat 20 Dec 16:13)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:16
Zac Rudden`s first touch today is dreadful.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:17
Paying the price for not recruiting enough experience and keeping the likes of tash.
It’s like every single youngster has just hit the wall and we are chucking them out there hoping they play themselves back into form.
What a game for bord to come and watch. He’ll be wondering what he’s done, he’s spend a decent amount of money to only move us only 2-3 places up the table.
Wow suddenly we look like we might be a football team again! 3-2
Post Edited (Sat 20 Dec 16:27)
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:27
COMEBACK?!?!?!?!??!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:28
2-3. Superb goal from Ngwenya!
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:28
Well well. Ngwneya on a hat-trick.
Not sure what the Ayr goalie was doing trying to put someone in an head lock then rolling around on the deck as if he`s the one fouled.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:29
That`s certainly better , cmon Ye Pars
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:30
That`s more like it, came out with some drive to their play.
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:31
It’s no surprise that Rudden has had more clubs than Rory McIlroy!! Just awful!
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 16:59
Why do we insist on farting around with these intricate short free kicks that look like we`ve made up on the spot and inevitably fk it up.
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Topic Originator: Stozy
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:04
A game of two halves. Shambolic first half, why does it take a 3 goal deficit for the Pars to show up? Should be playing like they did in the second half from the start.
The team shape first half was a joke, what were the management thinking?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:05
As frustrating a game as it could be. A good second-half performance, but just not enough. Mid-table looks like a realistic ambition at the moment, when we keep failing to win at home. MOM for me, Ngwenya. Gilmour was good, too. But what a difference TOB made to our threat going forward after he came on for Hamilton—alas, zilch points. no Christmas bonus for us.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:16
Disgusting performance in that first half, the shape and tactics were awful. Hamilton is not a fucken full back!!! Fans deserve better than we are watching atm.
We can forget the playoffs again, the obsession with young players is taking this club backwards. We need 2-3 old heads in the January window. It will be relegation playoffs at this rate.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:17
God bless Kieran Ngwenya
He’s getting a special buffy Christmas card the night
Merry Christmas ya filthy animal
I may be slightly inebriated in Legends.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:18
The first half and tactics were bloody abysmal, had people leaving at half time
Effe
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:19
Perplexing line-up and shape in the first half. Maybe this was because some players were carrying niggles or recovering from colds? At least changes got made and the second half performance was pretty decent. Anyone get a close view of the handball incidents? There seemed to be a decent shout for a penalty.
Glad to see Ngwenya showing what he can do.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:32
I hope that the much-rumoured striker from the Italian league is coming in the new year. We are so weak up front. Barney apart, we offer nothing.
Andrew Tod is looking burnt out at the moment, and Zac Rudden constantly makes the wrong decisions. As for Chris Kane, his hold-up play is excellent, but two league goals aren`t a healthy return for our top striker. Kieran Ngwenya today equalled his total in one match.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:35
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Sat 20 Dec 15:30
I might go home at HT
Big doors were open in the Norrie at H/T loads leaving
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:37
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 20 Dec 16:16
Zac Rudden`s first touch today is dreadful.
Better off with Zac Effron today
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:37
Quote:
dafc-chris1, Sat 20 Dec 16:01
Lennon needs to GTF
You really wrote that, didn`t you?
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:38
Quote:
buffy, Sat 20 Dec 17:17
God bless Kieran Ngwenya
He’s getting a special buffy Christmas card the night
Merry Christmas ya filthy animal
I may be slightly inebriated in Legends.
One too many BabyChams 🤣🤣🤣🤣🍻🍻🍻
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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:40
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 20 Dec 17:32
I hope that the much-rumoured striker from the Italian league is coming in the new year. We are so weak up front. Barney apart, we offer nothing.
Andrew Tod is looking burnt out at the moment, and Zac Rudden constantly makes the wrong decisions. As for Chris Kane, his hold-up play is excellent, but two league goals aren`t a healthy return for our top striker. Kieran Ngwenya today equalled his total in one match.
How strewart and bray didnt start is beyond me let alone rest of bizarre team selection and tactics
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:41
As awful as thar first half was - and it was stinking - we probably deserved a point in the end. Raith won`t be as accommodating next week.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:44
The first half was a joke.
There not many teams that look better with 3 at the back but genuinely, I think we look better with 3 at the back and I think Ngwenya showed today he can play as the left centre back.
Hammy should be banned from Right back - sine die.
I still think Andy Tod needs subbed at some point. I don’t think leaving him on while he’s not performing well is helping him. I’d have left MacLeod on and taken A Tod off. Just isn’t offering enough. I think it’s his work rate tbh.
Slightly concerned about the Rovers game
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:46
I`d mostly put today`s mess at the door of the management team.
In hindsight it was probably the wrong shape & personnel in the first half. There`s been some odd choices in the last two games in terms of players in weird positions (Gilmour at CH midweek, Hamilton at RB today).
It was clearly not working in the first half and could maybe have been changed up sooner than waiting until half-time.
Happy we made a better fist of it in the second half but that`s a case of polishing a turd as the game was largely lost by then and Ayr probably took their foot of the gas.
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Topic Originator: 13en
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:48
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 20 Dec 17:32
I hope that the much-rumoured striker from the Italian league is coming in the new year. We are so weak up front. Barney apart, we offer nothing.
Andrew Tod is looking burnt out at the moment, and Zac Rudden constantly makes the wrong decisions. As for Chris Kane, his hold-up play is excellent, but two league goals aren`t a healthy return for our top striker. Kieran Ngwenya today equalled his total in one match.
Don’t think it’s fair to say 2 goals from Kane isn’t good enough he plays the last 15 minutes of games how many do you want him to score?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:52
Well, I think that first half defensive performance was the worst I have ever seen.
Completely disorganised and the lack of pace at the back was unreal.
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:54
Moaning about Chris Kanes goal return is quite something considering he hasn’t actually completed 90 minutes this season.
Everybody in the crowd and at the club knows, if he was able to keep fit week in week out he’s a 20+ goal striker easily.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:55
13en: I think you have answered your own question - our main striker has not played often enough.
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Topic Originator: 13en
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:57
Quote:
par_33, Sat 20 Dec 17:54
Moaning about Chris Kanes goal return is quite something considering he hasn’t actually completed 90 minutes this season.
Everybody in the crowd and at the club knows, if he was able to keep fit week in week out he’s a 20 goal striker easily.
This season so far
Andy Tod averages a goal every 162 minutes
Barney averages a goal every 180 minutes
Chris Kane averages a goal every 184 minutes
Don’t think it’s fair to say he should be scoring more than two, I agree he’s top scorer if he could play every game
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Dec 17:59
Realistically the game was over after the 3rd goal. Yet another poor start. It was rinse and repeat of the last few games. I don`t think the keeper had a save to make 1st half. The trajectory is relegation scrap at the moment.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:02
Andy tod absolutely needs a rest while he recoups to go again, how he started while Barney remains on the bench is baffling. His goals have been vital but when he’s not on his game we’re a man down and he hasn’t been on his game for some time now. Where was Kane today or had he already played this week?
Jury’s out on Macleod for me, couple of nice touches here and there but generally he’s anonymous for the majority of games, he’s one who should be coming off the bench most weeks while he adjusts to first team football but as we don’t have enough experienced quality in that role he’s got no competition.
Not expecting anything from next weeks game but absolutely have to beat county after that, ideally we can bring 1 or 2 in before the county game who can come straight in as badly need a refresh. No point brining on the likes of tash or KRH to try and get points.
We’re now 9th in the form table and are struggling to be competative in games until the game is pretty much over and out opponents ease off.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:03
Quote:
ParfectXI, Sat 20 Dec 16:31
It’s no surprise that Rudden has had more clubs than Rory McIlroy!! Just awful!
Absolutely terrible shout this!
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Topic Originator: par58
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:10
Very poor today. We never deserved anything from the game. Rallying second half 3 down nowhere near makes up for first half shambles. Team selection and formation also wanting.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:13
For anyone thats watched us consistently since the St Johnstone game that first half was not surprising at all, we`ve been watching the same game over and over again for weeks.
That lineup today was shameful, I get we are struggling for defenders but Lennon has recruited that squad for a three at the back. Whenever we`ve played a four this season it hasn`t worked once. Hammy at right back and Matty in centre mid!? Wow. Dropped our best striker after he got us back into the game midweek. Mcleod and A Tod as wingers is baffling. The assistant manager takes absolutely zero responsibility for any of this in his post match interview btw.
The second half shows overall why we are not as bad as we have been in recent seasons because funnily enough we could easily have drawn that game but there are still far too many players from last season that are involved in the starting elevens, and that bench today speaks for itself.
At the moment I think we`ll struggle to finish above a Morton for example but January could swing that. Ultimately this season is a season of gelling good young players and getting the last of the deadwood out from the old regime for next season.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:14
I`m not seeing much improvement in the younger players. Barney has come on well, and Robbie Fraser is a success story. I get the whole experience thing, but the corner in the last minute should have gone into the box. That`s not lack of experience, just poor decision-making. A poor decision to play a left back in central defence lost us the game. Not his fault and he more than made up for it with the goals. We are too static up front, don`t run into space or turn defenders. Alot of punting the ball today like QoS hatt just went back to Ayr.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 20 Dec 18:14)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:16
Berkey I largely agree with your comment about MacLeod. I just think on the balance, Tod was offering nothing and MacLeod was at least willing to run. Tod needs a break, MacLeod needs games IMO. If we add to the squad in January, it will give us different options but for now-I’d be giving A Tod a rest and behind closed doors I’d be telling him his work rate needs to go up. He’s waiting for the ball and the game to come to him when he should be imposing himself on the game. Be a nuisance to the opposition defenders.
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Topic Originator: Perkins
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:25
"Whenever we`ve played a four this season it hasn`t worked once."
Rovers at home 2-0.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:35
It`s not a good performance by any stretch of the imagination. We have a reputation of losing early goals and that won`t go unnoticed by other teams in the league. Full time players being beaten by part time players in Arbroath and QoS, you need to be asking yourself questions on what you need to do and how to change it. Dare I say it, we seem to be drifting back into the way we played under James McPake. Passing the ball back to the half way line when you are on the edge of the opponents box won`t win you games.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:39
Fair enough but the exception doesnt prove the rule. We dont have any championship level wingers and struggle with one up top.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:50
Genuinely don’t know where to start with that today, although a lot has already been said that I agree with.
The First Half was shocking, absolutely shocking, and it came as no surprise to me. That half has been coming for a while now, and although Ayr did have some good link up and patterns of play in the First Half, we made it far too easy for them. It was just shambolic and all wrong. We seem to bounce from calamity to calamity all across the park, and they are a good enough and well enough organised to pounce on that.
We beat them last time because we were aggressive and we got the ball forward quickly, we saw none of that in the First Half today. Back to playing horseshoe football, that’s got previous managers the sack, going nowhere with it and back to losing the midfield battle.
I’ll never leave a game early, but I can’t blame the many that did. Shambolic…..but is this the Management Team sending messages to the board for reinforcements?? For me, some tough decisions need made about some of these players.
Second Half….and the frustration them becomes, how ca we not play like that from the start?? The ball went forward, there aggression over the pitch and if they didn’t stay killing the game and the momentum, I did think there was a point where we were going to go on and win it.
The introduction of Steward & Bene made a difference. I just don’t get why neither started but both made a huge impact. Hamilton was shifted int Midfield and generally, we upped the tempo, upped the aggression and stopped playing in horseshoes.
To be fair, every sub looked like they were going to take their opportunity and fair play to them, they did. Even the much criticised TOB was wanting to get on the ball and get forward. It was great to see.
I get that we are missing a handful of big players, but I don’t get the change in style. If we keep doing what we are good at, we’re a bloody good team and we would have been well amongst the Play Off spots, but the points tally does look more “middle of the road”.
Mixed feelings today, but we really did watch the good, the bad and the ugly!
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:53
This game today was worse than the dark days
under Yogi Hughes.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 20 Dec 18:57
Quote:
Jock Par36, Sat 20 Dec 18:53
This game today was worse than the dark days
under Yogi Hughes.
The first half aye.
COYP
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:03
the change worked last week and along with the injuries/lack of fitness of defenders, try it again i presume was the thinking but its a far better opposition this week along with too many players going back to type in that first half and you end up with that.
too many mistakes made in the past that the club is still suffering from but more were added to this summer, going to struggle in January to fix any of the problems never mind even half of them.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:08
Hammy was honking today.
I feared the worst when I seen Ngwenya at centre back but tbf to him he never done much wrong and scored a couple goals.
The first half was honestly the worst o can remember.
How the boy had a free header from 4/5 yards out with no challenge and seemed to wait ages for the ball to come down.
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Topic Originator: Ianoappar
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:09
Today`s result firmly on management Hamilton at right back,seems they learnt nothing from Tuesdays debacle.
Changed it at halftime and we saw the difference but not enough to claw it back.
Hopefully they have learned for next weeks game a shambles of a first half.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:13
I don`t know which of them picked the team today, but whoever it was needs to have a good think and reflect on a very bad decision. The shape looked to be something like 4-1-3-2 with Hamilton at right-back and Gilmour sitting in front of the defence and it was a poor setup, for a number of reasons.
Even if Bene wasn`t fit enough to start the game, it surely would have been much better to have Hamilton in the middle of a back 3 with Ngwenya left and Mullen right. Hamilton has generally done well when he`s played in the middle of a back 3 in the last couple of seasons, despite his lack of height. I just cannot see a sensible basis for playing him as a right-back.
There was also a lack of balance. Cooper, MacLeod and Tod can all offer something on their day, but a side with all 3, and another forward as well, is always likely to struggle to plug gaps when we lose the ball as there is very little defensive awareness between them.
Added to that, was the McPake-like lack of aggression that has plagued us for the last 6 games or so. I`ve been concerned of late that the focus seems to be to use as little energy as possible, rather than just trying to win the game. There have been a few games when I`ve felt a more energetic style would help, but it`s been something we`ve flatly reused to consider - until half-time today.
The second half was obviously a big improvement. The snobby footballistas can sneer if they want, but a big part of it was that we tried to be aggressive and were allowed to play energetically and make tackles.
We might have got a point from it and we probably had more of the second half than Ayr had of the first, but when you play as badly for a half as we did and let the game get away from us, it`s not unlucky to end up losing.
On the free kick right at the end, JUST GET IT IN THE ******* BOX. Would anyone disagree with that sentiment? Obviously it`s something they`ve been coached to do as we take pretty much every set piece short if it`s an option but it`s very frustrating, especially when we`re chasing for a late equaliser.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:14
Good post Buster Brown. Summed the game up well….
Let’s be blunt here……1Pt in 4 games is relegation form.
‘Hello my name is Jefferson - I’m happy to be here let’s go!’
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Topic Originator: Swifty
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:21
When the team news was posted today, I feared the worst. That certainly was the case in the 1st half. Dreadful team selection and 3 avoidable goals lost. Hammy is never a right back!! Better with Matty Todd playing there he has played that position in the past. A much better 2nd half, but we need to play for 90+ minutes every week. I don’t understand the criticism of Zak Rudden he chased so many lost causes and held the ball up well. There was no players supporting him/looking for a lay off. I think our early form raised too many expectations, unless we strengthen in the January transfer window we are going to be a mid table team this season.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:27
I found Brunskill`s post match interview deeply concerning to be honest. Taking pretty much zero accountability from a coaching staff point of view that the team was set up to fail at the start.
Yes, the players are young and inconsistent generally, but from the management staff, you need to set them up properly to succeed. Think both Lennon and his staff need to have a bit of a look in the mirror for some of these failures
Post Edited (Sat 20 Dec 19:28)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:33
The lack of looking forward and driving forward has ben apparent for a few games now. Anyone can knock the ball around at the back or sideways. It`s harder to look forward, turn defenders or drive at them to create chances. Too happy to do the easy things. I personally don`t see the point in knocking the ball forward to the striker with their back to goal. This is especially so when nobody is running off them to receive the ball. They were easily able to defend that and really just strolled it into a 3 goal lead. Too static up front. I thought Barney and Zac had a good understanding when they were on the park together. I agree with others, its time for Todd to sit a few games out. He looks tired. I thought his decision making was poor today and his work rate has dropped.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 20 Dec 19:36)
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:51
We probably had enough chances to win over the whole game despite the appalling start but we didnt. The big injury break took away our momentum and you have to wonder how many Ayr united players ended up rolling about.
Think most of us looked at that line up and saw a disaster coming. Hammy? Ouch. But he played where he was put.
That last free kick summed up the wrong decision making that hurt us. Ended up at our corner flag where they managed to waste more time.
We dont seem to go into an away Raith game brimming with confidence.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:52
As said, some of the team selections recently have been baffling. Two weeks ago we had the smallest man in the squad, Amade, brought in to replace one of the tallest and most physical, Gilmour. Today we play a back four with two players not playing their normal positions. With Bene and Fisher available to start surely we could have come up with a workable back three with Todd and Fraser as wing backs?
I know some fans think Terrell is an improvement on Mehmet but I`m not convinced. Every game he seems to have at least one rush of blood to the head and some have cost us goals.
Our overall home form is shocking and, far from being a fortress, East End must be seen as an easy touch for visiting teams.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 20 Dec 19:55
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 20 Dec 19:52
As said, some of the team selections recently have been baffling. Two weeks ago we had the smallest man in the squad, Amade, brought in to replace one of the tallest and most physical, Gilmour. Today we play a back four with two players not playing their normal positions. With Bene and Fisher available to start surely we could have come up with a workable back three with Todd and Fraser as wing backs?
I know some fans think Terrell is an improvement on Mehmet but I`m not convinced. Every game he seems to have at least one rush of blood to the head and some have cost us goals.
Our overall home form is shocking and, far from being a fortress, East End must be seen as an easy touch for visiting teams.
Have to agree wee eck.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: JimDAFC
Date: Sat 20 Dec 20:11
Have not been at a game for quite a few weeks as i dont enjoy driving in the dark but i couldnt believe how poor we were in that first half. No aggression and very little movement of the ball either in or out of possession, the seco d half was a complete opposite and with a bit more luck we could have managed a draw especially with missing 2 very good chances right after half time. We really need 2 more grizzly battlehardened championship midfield players to help out these young players and ditto a striker, maybe a bonus should be added for the players if they can keep a clean sheet in the first hhalf.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sun 21 Dec 00:51
Agree.Ayr ,as usual were into dirty,time wasting tactics,we need to get street wise.
Post Edited (Sun 21 Dec 01:51)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 21 Dec 07:33
Excellent posts from Buster and Socks.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 21 Dec 07:33
Excellent posts from Buster and Socks.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Vamos Pars
Date: Sun 21 Dec 08:53
Lennon is struggling as he doesn’t have the best squad in the league like his time at Celtic. The lack of accountability from the coaching staff for the starting lineup and formation yesterday is embarrassing. If they fail to get a result at Starks Park then they must be under pressure. That first half performance was as bad as anything we endured under Tidser.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 21 Dec 09:03
Have to agree with what’s been said regarding a lack of balance in midfield and how it’s exposed us quite a few times this season.
McLeod, Andy tod, cooper and Todd yesterday just don’t have the awareness to track back and get some tackles in, Todd the only one I think I’ve ever seen make a tackle. You can add Jeffy to this as well.
Again you can see why we went for Easton, good creatively but also switched on defensively and can protect the ball.
We absolutely need another option or 3 in come 1st January. We’re hanging these youngsters out to dry as when their levels drop as they will at various points of the season they drop below championship standard. Do we actually have an experienced creative attacking player who is good enough to get us to the next level? Not at the moment.
Imrie no fool, he’ll know to go hard and fast next week and the game might be wrapped up early.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 21 Dec 10:14
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 21 Dec 07:33
Excellent posts from Buster and Socks.
Thank you GG 😊
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 21 Dec 12:07
I think that there was an element of the way we set up and the fact we started slowly again. Recently in games we have not been on top in midfield and being beaten to second balls.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 21 Dec 20:54
I think the 3rd goal killed us – two down at half-time you think that if you can get a goal back early, you can turn the screw for 40 minutes and have a real chance of getting something. Scoring three was just a step too far. There were a few stoppages, but the 3rd goal was very late (49th minute?)
I suspect the line-up was a significant factor in the poor display. You can often get away with one mistake, but making two can be fatal. It looked like Hamilton was outpaced for the first and Cooper wasn’t alert enough. They had chances to clear before the second, then giving Dowds a free header was very poor. The keeper flapped at the third and then the defenders (of which there were several) didn’t get a block in. (To be fair, our second was similar). On another day you might get away with some of these, and no-one would notice.
I don’t know what you do if you are a defender if someone makes a slip – do you do what you were meant to be doing and mark your man, or stay in the right place, or do you leave your station and go to the ball or to the free player and leave a hole somewhere else? You have to decide instantly - I guess making the right decision comes with alertness and experience. And good coaching. Bene knew what he was doing (but he had two centre-backs to cover) so this was a function of selection and of shape. Should he have started? Impossible to tell.
Basically with Amade away, Abdulai apparently concussed (I’m still a little surprised he was allowed to play against Queen’s Park), J Tod, Kearney and Kane injured, any number of players out on loan, anyone who was anyone (other than Munn) was in the squad. Bene, Cooper and Rudden are all still recovering their fitness, Fisher and Ngwenya can’t be match fit, we have several players probably needing spelled so who would you have picked and where?
I think Ngwenya played a half at LCB against East Kilbride – other than that – nada, so it was a surprise to see him there. Starting Bene and replacing him with Fisher if needed was perhaps an option? Otoo appears to be right off it at the moment.
Cooper and MacLeod look like players who would be very effective down a division, but don’t contribute enough over 90 for me – they seem defensively poor (they remind me a little of Summers and Mochrie who always seemed to view their defensive duties as a bit of an afterthought).
Again, we started slowly, but that’s what we do, and what lots of teams do – they seek to play the modern way, and to control the game, and either up the tempo later, or slowly ramp up the pressure. Could we go all guns blazing from the start? We created very little in the first half, although I think Tod was tugged at the back post – in which case it should have been a penalty (although he was never scoring).
Post Edited (Sun 21 Dec 20:55)
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sun 21 Dec 20:55
All players suffer loss of form, all teams suffer injuries. I think we are having our spell now – which means any selection will be a little makeshift. The recoverees should be closer to match fit for the Rovers game so we should be a little stronger.
I think that’s the first time I’ve heard Ngwenya speak – he came across very well.
And were Ayr TV there, or have they just rebranded Pars TV’s highlights?
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 21 Dec 21:21
I thought generally we lacked a bit of pace in the middle and front of the park and that`s what caused us problems when tracking back. Hammy was outstanding in the CH position last season but struggled at full back yesterday, I thought. I get you need players to play in different positions at times, but first and foremost you should play them where they can be most effective.
I agree that players can`t run for 90 minutes but you need to choose your phases in the game. You shouldn`t play for 40 minutes without uping the pace and movement. The 3rd goal was the killer goal and a poor one at that. With 45 minutes pretty much up, surely you should manage the game not to lose a goal so at least give yourself a chance in the second half. I think these days footballers are too obsessed with knocking the ball around. It`s predicatable and thus ineffective. You need to think differently and play differently to keep your opponents guessing and put them under pressure. You have beat defenders. They play to systems so once you break that down, systems fall apart. Robbie Fraser did very well getting behind defenders and getting the ball across in the 2nd half. Their defence panicked.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 22 Dec 15:59
Wrong thread
Post Edited (Mon 22 Dec 19:04)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 22 Dec 22:13
What I found particularly galling was that if the attendance figure of 4,900 was accurate, then we had 4,700 fans to their 200 (at most) and they were leading 3 nil at half time. Where is the belief or the will to win. We didn`t look like a team with a mission. We had the chance to get into the top 4 and we squandered it. No wonder their front man was grinning up at us in the Norrie, as if to say is that all you`ve got. And the chants of "bring on the Rovers" ? What was that all about? I`m sure the Rovers will be quaking in their boots.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 23 Dec 00:11
Topic Originator: Paralex like
Date: Mon 22 Dec 22:13
What I found particularly galling was that if the attendance figure of 4,900 was accurate, then we had 4,700 fans to their 200 (at most) and they were leading 3 nil at half time. Where is the belief or the will to win. We didn`t look like a team with a mission. We had the chance to get into the top 4 and we squandered it. No wonder their front man was grinning up at us in the Norrie, as if to say is that all you`ve got. And the chants of "bring on the Rovers" ? What was that all about? I`m sure the Rovers will be quaking in their boots.
Wish the team had the enthusiasm the young team in the NW had. Even at 0-3 down they kept going…..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 23 Dec 10:17
Quote:
desparado, Tue 23 Dec 00:11
Topic Originator: Paralex like
Date: Mon 22 Dec 22:13
And the chants of "bring on the Rovers" ? What was that all about? I`m sure the Rovers will be quaking in their boots.
That was really really embarrassing and pretty cringe. It wasn’t just once either.
It’s probably a post for another thread, but as someone who has been a big advocate for SNW over the years, and spoken about how it helped get my own son loving coming to games, I don’t know what’s happening now, but it’s turned into nothing more than 10-12 year olds singing about being from the capital 🙄, and shouting “if you don’t sing, f*uck off” into a megaphone. I really hope some older lads with a bit about them, get a hold of it, sooner rather than later because it’s became so far removed from what it was, and just cringey.
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 23 Dec 10:55
The diminishing crowd in the NSW section is down to the new season ticket rules ?
Recently watched a YouTube covering the Falkirk game from 2 seasons ago and that section was rammed, some big laddies in there!
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Tue 23 Dec 13:10
It goes to show just show how many people were abusing the system. People not putting thier hands in their pockets properly and in truth costing the club money.
Post Edited (Tue 23 Dec 13:10)
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