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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 19 Feb 23:05
And so it begins
(Britannia Unchained )
Priti Patel is a co-author …..(another Mad Dangerous Tory Hoor who’s role model was Maggie)
Low-skilled workers would not get visas under post-Brexit immigration plans unveiled by the government.
It is urging employers to "move away" from relying on "cheap labour" from Europe and invest in retaining staff and developing automation technology.
Home secretary Priti Patel has conceded in an interview on LBC radio that her parents may not have been admitted to the UK under the immigration rules she is proposing.
Interviewer Nick Ferrari - who traces his own background to an immigrant in the catering industry - told the home secretary that under her own rules: "You wouldn't be here."
She replied: "Yeah, but also let's not forget we are not changing our approach to refugees and asylum seekers, which is very different to a points-based system for employment and that particular route."
Along with fellow Conservative MPs Kwasi Kwarteng, Dominic Raab, Chris Skidmore and Elizabeth Truss, Patel was considered one of the "Class of 2010"
who represented the party's "new Right".
Together they co-authored Britannia Unchained, a book published in 2012. This work was critical of levels of workplace productivity in the UK, making the controversial statement that "once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world".
The authors suggested that to change this situation, the UK should reduce the size of the welfare state and seek to emulate the working conditions in countries like Singapore, Hong Kong, and South Korea rather than those of other European nations.
In the same year, Patel was elected on to the executive of the 1922 Committee.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 06:15
Emulate the working conditions of South Korea or Singapore? 😂 Wonder how many of them have actually been there to see it in action. More often than not, as is the case in Japan, the majority of time is spent pissin aboot to stretch an 8 hour working day appear like a 12-16 hour working day rather than full tilt work!
Still amazes me that the oldies in Scotland would rather subject us to that lot than have our own country where 80%ish of people vote for Social/Liberal Democracy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 20 Feb 09:54
Social/Liberal democracy? I wouldn't count on it. We aren't as far to the left as many like to think we are.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 20 Feb 12:44
She's a total hypocrite.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 20 Feb 12:46
The ultimate sneering Tory hypocrite, a person I genuinely hope dies screaming and alone.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 20 Feb 15:47
You might be right there Towks, but I would say that Scotland has a bit more gumption about getting things done and a bit more community spirit rather than just moaning and being apathetic as happens in England. At least that was my experience!
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Thu 20 Feb 16:49
Best bit is with her policy her parents would not have been allowed in.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 20 Feb 16:51
Patel’s response to the question was disingenuous since she suggested that her parents had arrived from Uganda as refugees or asylum seekers following the expulsion of Asians by Idi Amin. They actually arrived before this happened and so far as I can make out would not have tallied up many points under the latest immigration scheme. So Ferrari for once in his life was right: Patel is pulling up the ladder behind her and should have been called out as a hypocrite. Ferrari stopped short of doing that naturally.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 20 Feb 17:42
The home secretary’s call for businesses to train eight million unskilled workers has been criticised as it emerged that millions were students, sick, disabled or retired.
Priti Patel is facing allegations she bullied officials at the Home Office. The home secretary is reported to have clashed with the department’s top civil servant and is accused of belittling officials, making unreasonable demands and creating an “atmosphere of fear”.
It comes as Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn attacked Boris Johnson for failing to visit flood-hit communities in England and Wales – claiming the prime minister has been “nowhere-to-be-seen”. The Fire Brigades Union branded the PM’s response “a shambles”.
Meanwhile Mr Johnson’s senior adviser Dominic Cummings has been criticised for his “ludicrous” views on IQ, genetic selection and so-called “designer babies” – unearthed from a blogpost entitled: ‘Standin’ by the window, where the light is strong’.
And so it continues :-(
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Thu 20 Feb 17:48
Pretty sure some top tory lord came up with the idea that retired people should do the fruit picking for less than the minimum wage.I'm pretty sure he wasn't going to join in.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 Feb 17:57
And still people vote Tory...
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 20 Feb 18:03
Quote :-
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 Feb 17:57
And still people vote Tory...
Hell mend them jake89 ....Many who voted for them especially in the North of England were the very same people who have suffered hardest from the Tory austerity policy ...... I will never understand that
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 20 Feb 19:53
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 20 Feb 18:03
Quote :-
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 Feb 17:57
And still people vote Tory...
Hell mend them jake89 ....Many who voted for them especially in the North of England were the very same people who have suffered hardest from the Tory austerity policy ...... I will never understand that
They have clearly suffered the most from cuts to education too.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 21 Feb 01:58
Genuine LOL there, ipswichpar.
:)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 21 Feb 07:46
Quote:
ipswichpar, Thu 20 Feb 19:53
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 20 Feb 18:03
Quote :-
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 Feb 17:57
And still people vote Tory...
Hell mend them jake89 ....Many who voted for them especially in the North of England were the very same people who have suffered hardest from the Tory austerity policy ...... I will never understand that
They have clearly suffered the most from cuts to education too.
The elephant in the room, they are thick, stupid and servile idiots voting Tory.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 21 Feb 08:04
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 20 Feb 18:03
Quote :-
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 Feb 17:57
And still people vote Tory...
Hell mend them jake89 ....Many who voted for them especially in the North of England were the very same people who have suffered hardest from the Tory austerity policy ...... I will never understand that
I'll say it again - if everybody voted for the party which would best serve their interests and needs, the Tories would NEVER get in.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 21 Feb 08:54
And yet GG voting for the party that serves your interests and needs is the most Tory way of voting. The invisible hand in action.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 21 Feb 09:59
If we lived in a democracy the Tories would never win.
Truth and integrity are crucial to the proper functioning of democracy, so the Tories and the capitalist press exploit that flaw to mercilessly undermine the system for their own gain.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 21 Feb 17:58
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 21 Feb 08:54
And yet GG voting for the party that serves your interests and needs is the most Tory way of voting. The invisible hand in action.
Aye, the irony hasn't escaped me, TOWK. It just goes to show that large swathes of the electorate are not too clued up when it comes to casting their vote..... ☹
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 21 Feb 19:13
Absolutely vile woman.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 21 Feb 19:22
It's her parents that I wonder about.They were allowed here,and no doubt worked hard to make money,but allowed their child to treat people like they were as scum.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 21 Feb 19:44
You often find that donj inherent from the Indian Caste system
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Fri 21 Feb 20:33
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 22 Feb 01:07
You have serious issues. The education system needs looked into a few years ago and Swiney needs to go but what does this thread have to do with the SNP?
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sat 22 Feb 05:50
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 22 Feb 01:07
You have serious issues. The education system needs looked into a few years ago and Swiney needs to go but what does this thread have to do with the SNP?
Absolutely nothing but then RM knows that another opportunity for him to stick the boot in though
looking into my imaginary crystal ball too see what Scotland would be like now under a labour led hollyrood government or god forbid a Tory led hollyrood government compared to what it’s like now I know which option I would choose
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 22 Feb 07:39
Quote:
renegade master, Fri 21 Feb 23:50
See the SNP have turned the once highly regarded Scottish exam system in to a total bombscare!
At last people are waking up to the fact that the SNP Government can't and aren't upto managing Scotlands best interests.
The whole Independence thing is unravelling in front of our eyes!
Education
NHS
Local Councils
Prison Service
Police
Highways
All under financed for vote winning policies and bad decisions and money hoarding!
By all means list the good your beloved Tory scum do?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 22 Feb 08:18
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 22 Feb 07:39
Quote:
renegade master, Fri 21 Feb 23:50
See the SNP have turned the once highly regarded Scottish exam system in to a total bombscare!
At last people are waking up to the fact that the SNP Government can't and aren't upto managing Scotlands best interests.
The whole Independence thing is unravelling in front of our eyes!
Education
NHS
Local Councils
Prison Service
Police
Highways
All under financed for vote winning policies and bad decisions and money hoarding!
By all means list the good your beloved Tory scum do?
He's obviously been on the sauce last night, so selfish he can't look at the bigger picture, only what's in it for him. Bet he wants fox hunting back.
Let's here some of the solutions rather than the usual hate filled bile?
As said elsewhere tell us your preferred government and what they will bring.
I think their last manafesto was
Vote for us to stop Indy2. That didn't do well did it. 80%of the seats to the SNP.
Post Edited (Sat 22 Feb 08:20)
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Sat 22 Feb 08:37
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 22 Feb 08:18
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 22 Feb 07:39
Quote:
renegade master, Fri 21 Feb 23:50
See the SNP have turned the once highly regarded Scottish exam system in to a total bombscare!
At last people are waking up to the fact that the SNP Government can't and aren't upto managing Scotlands best interests.
The whole Independence thing is unravelling in front of our eyes!
Education
NHS
Local Councils
Prison Service
Police
Highways
All under financed for vote winning policies and bad decisions and money hoarding!
By all means list the good your beloved Tory scum do?
He's obviously been on the sauce last night, so selfish he can't look at the bigger picture, only what's in it for him. Bet he wants fox hunting back.
Let's here some of the solutions rather than the usual hate filled bile?
As said elsewhere tell us your preferred government and what they will bring.
I think their last manafesto was
Vote for us to stop Indy2. That didn't do well did it. 80%of the seats to the SNP.
Post Edited (Sat 22 Feb 08:20)
You will be waiting a while for that more likely to get yet another tear stained rant which is standard practice for RM these days
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Sat 22 Feb 10:40
I still struggle to see "how they should be".
How exactly should they be?
The same as England, Wales?
I haven't lived in Scotland for the best part of 20 years now but quite often read about how schools failing short staffed in England and Wales NHS waiting times at their worst ever, ambulance shortages, patients waiting in corridors on beds day in day out.
As far as I am aware SNP are in control in England and certainly don't control their budget.
Looking from afar I think most people in England regions would be happy with a Scottish NHS.
The SNP are in my opinion doing not too bad a job with the funding they get.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 22 Feb 11:18
Opposition parties always have the advantage that they don't have to balance a budget.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 22 Feb 12:04
RM - there's actually several angles from which to rip your statements apart. And this comes from somebody who agrees that the SNP need to get their backside in gear. You are right to criticise the SNP for certain policies but it really has hee haw to do with independence. I think you're also moaning about stuff without really considering the intricacy of what's actually going on or needed - it really is pointless to moan if you can't offer constructive suggestions based on knowledge or research.
When it comes to Education, the SNP tried to fix a system that wasn't broken when they came to power back in 2007. That said, the easiest thing may have been to scrap the standard grades and use the intermediate system for all years, e.g. for high ability students: S3 - Intermediate 1, S4 - Intermediate - 2 and then S5 - Higher, S6 - Advanced Higher. Estonia has made remarkable progress in the PISA tests in recent years, so we should be looking at what they're doing and what lessons can be learned as well as looking at more in-course assessment from teachers as part of the school grades, as is the case in Scandinavia. School systems also need properly digitised - the teachers that I know are still having to create Excel and Word documents for their data rather than using specialist software where grades, comments etc can be entered and then it can compile documents from data from all departments on a student. When it comes to the university system, as far as I know, the £1820 that each university receives per student has not increased in line with inflation - it should be somewhere in the region of £2750 per student now. The fault there for me is that this is not subject reflective as things like Engineering, Science and Medicine cost more to run. Personally, I'd also advocate that Scotland adopts the Bologna system (3 Bachelor + 2 Masters with the ECTS credit System) in Universities to bring us in line with the rest of the continent.
Compare what we have in Scotland to the corrupt Trust system in England where execs are pocketing vast sums of money and Labour and the Tories turn a blind eye, I most definitely stick with our Public system.
Emergency Services have now become Glasgow-centric and the SNP simply didn't listen here. Yes, there needed to be a reduction in the number of regions but national organisation is a step too far. We should be looking at the German/Nordic system here where counties and states have their own regional health, police, fire, justice, social care service etc and these services are all aligned within the county. We should be looking at what other countries are doing, but then you'd get folk moaning about another "structural change by the SNP" instead of actually seeing that this would be good for the country in the long term.
The NHS generally has become a more managment orientated than clinically orientated service in recent times. Scotland is out-performing the rest of the UK without question - that is acknowledged widely but doesn't mean there is no room for improvement. Again we should be looking at what other countries are doing. Germany seems to have the management side of things down, while the Netherlands have the clinical side of it nailed. Holyrood should be sending people over there to see what they're doing and if possible, hiring people from there to come in to implement and direct the changes that we need in Scotland. If I were Sturgeon, I'd be planning to bring Philippa Whiteford (who is a specialist surgeon) to Holyrood in 2021 to be put into the health brief.
The UK as a whole has not invested in its economy properly and much of this is to do with how the tax system works. The Tories have taken people out of tax to the point where most people have a £1000 per month tax free allowance, which is one of the highest around. Compare that to the approach taken in Sweden and Denmark where the focus is more on Universalist taxation, Labour Laws are strong and there is a big focus on skills development.
The UK economy is at the point where there should be high levels of investment in R&D and Education to promote high level growth. You often hear people talking about "Oh we have no manufacturing here anymore", which is a completely baseless argument. High level economies make much of their money on the basis of Technology and R&D, which the UK has not invested in properly. The focus in recent times has been on the service sector which inherently leads to low-skilled and low-paying jobs, which in turn means that the government has very little money in the coffers and there is little incentive for companies to invest in the country because of a low skilled labour base. The UK government has failed to invest properly in education and skills and refuse to learn from other countries.
Denmark, for example, has a "University Job" system whereby companies are legally obliged to provide X number of student jobs at 10 hours per week based on the size of their operation. This way you avoid the whole caveat of employers demanding "experience" of young people that there is no way they're gonna have. Introducing schemes like this is firmly in the remit of the DWP, so why have they not looked at this? Most likely two reasons: (i) The English generally have a mentality that their way is the best way and have no interest in learning from other countries (ii) The Tories won't do anything that might cost their business pals problems as that would be reflected in party donations.
Smaller countries are more manageable when it comes to structural change in the economy - if you look "Asian miracle" period you can see this and there are numerous other examples of it: Thailand vs. Taiwan Thailand 1950 had a better agricultural base with which to start off with, but Taiwan very quickly overtook them and out-performed them in every area since. The key lesson there is effective Governance because Thailand suffered repeated political instability, whereas Taiwan did not even with the Mainland elephant on their back. Bring this lesson back to the UK where the Government are very resistant to get involved in the running of the economy, and you begin to understand why we're seeing very little growth. A huge part of maintaining economic growth is to maintain conditions for sustained investment and Government has to be willing to play its role in that by directing investment and creating incentives. Growth also has to be egalitarian to empower the labour force and encourage the growth of small and medium sized firms - Taiwan, Korea and Japan are prime examples of this and conversely, if you look to South America and nations like Argentina which have gone through similar cycles of dictatorship and so on, you can really see the effect that ineffective governance can have on the economy. The Taiwanese and South Koreans governments were particularly effective at maintaining living conditions and services for those in rural areas while also directing the structural changes in the economy to drive the transition to Tech & R&D.
A Government has to be willing to step in and drive economic growth and there are far more precedents that show that could be more effectively done at a Scottish level with 5.3Mn people as opposed to at UK level with 60+Mn people.
To put it bluntly, it helps if you actually read a bit before you make blanket statements...
Whether you like it or not, the Independence movement is a juggernaut and it will not be stopped. The population of Scotland is shifting as the baby-boomers begin to die off. Put on top of this that you generally have had a cultural change in Scotland over the last 25ish years where young people have seen us having our own Government in Holyrood and are used to this - that is a major change on times past - and the question will come: why have two governments? The SNP vote will continue to stick around 45ish percent which will keep them in power perpetually. That cycle will only end, I suspect, with the first election after independence. Scotland does need a change of Government, but that will not come until after independence.
To me, RM, you're either unaware of or ignoring the big pictures and failing to examine the intricate details with regard to the statements you're making. If you're going to say that something doesn't work, offer a solution or indeed a perspective that might actually shed light on a solution.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 22 Feb 12:16
Renegade master...it's amazing how you Tory gammons manage to completely avoid listing the positives of your choice.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 22 Feb 12:19
Quote:
renegade master, Sat 22 Feb 10:00
It's amazing how quick the Nats get aggressive and angry when the faults of their beloved party are pointed out.
The problem is its going to take a lot of money and time to fix the problems of their making, in fact many are going to get worse before they get better no matter who is in charge. That is not good for Scotland, me or my children.
As pointed out the good things they have done have been good, prescriptions, tolls, care homes, childcare.
However they cost a lot of money but do win votes, then again if they were getting income from or not paying for these would they be using it wisely to benefit any of the points I raised in my 1st post?
As said the voters are starting to see what is happening why Indyref2 is so important to them now, because the unravelling is starting on their inept running of this country over the last decade.
As far voting in the future it isn't going to matter who but some seriously difficult decisions are going to be needed to get things back to where they should be!
Still waiting on your solutions, who would you recommend to govern Scotland and do tell me what they'll put in their manifesto to gain power.
And wipe your tears nobody is really that bothered about your opinion since you got slaughtered in the ratcatcher thread many moon's ago. We do make allowances for your bitterness....
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 29 Feb 20:29
Its Kicking off
Quote :- The top civil servant in the Home Office has resigned and said he intends to claim for constructive dismissal by the government.
Sir Philip Rutnam said there had been a "vicious and orchestrated" campaign against him in Home Secretary Priti Patel's office.
Apparently Sir Phil was offered a financial package that he refused If this goes through the normal tribunal process we may have seen the last of Pretty Priti
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sun 1 Mar 09:56
rm you are a tory through and through. The SG will invest in private companies if there is a chance of saving them and creating jobs. Won't be successful all the time but none of the examples you mentioned are dead - very much alive.
If Scotland held the whip hand in the north sea procurement system our companies like Bifab would be booming, but the uk are in control of the procurement system and I would hazard a guess we are being deliberately damaged by tory choices and actions.
Ultimately, tory politics is all about attack, attack, attack.
That means you think you can hide the awful financial position of the uk. £2 trillion in debt, huge deficit, yet they are promising to spend billions all over the country.
This johnson government will implode sooner than folk think.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 2 Mar 18:56
Oh Jings looks like she might be a bully after all
A former aide to Priti Patel received a £25,000 payout from the government after claiming she was bullied by the then employment minister.
Legal correspondence seen by the BBC alleges the woman took an overdose of prescription medicine following the alleged incident in 2015.
The DWP did not admit liability and the case did not come before a tribunal.
Ms Patel is facing allegations - which she denies - that she mistreated staff in her new role as home secretary.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 2 Mar 19:36
If there is any truth in what has been said today then I think it would be good if she was kept away from government, from politics, from businesses, and generally from everyone.
If she was a pleb like me she would probably also get social services coming round to make sure her kid is being brought up correctly.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 4 Mar 08:30
And there's more :-
Home Secretary Priti Patel has been accused of bullying staff at a third government department, BBC Newsnight has learned.
The claims are from her time as International Development Secretary from 2016 to 2017, and follow similar claims at the Home Office and the Department for Work and Pensions.
A Tory source said "dark forces" were trying to influence an inquiry into Ms Patel's conduct in her current role.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 4 Mar 08:49
Having many fewer than six degrees of separation to Ms Patel, I'm not surprised by any of these allegations.
You would expect that her career would now be toast. But the punishment for her last indiscretion wasnt exactly a lifetime ban....
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 4 Mar 16:58
"dark forces"...jeezo, that's straight out the trump playbook! 😂
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 20 Nov 08:25
sorry wrong thread added to Priti Patel thread now :)
Post Edited (Fri 20 Nov 08:38)
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