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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 16 Feb 02:21
This obscenity has to end! We cannot let our political leaders sanction mass murder in our names. Israel must pay for this thoroughly evil behaviour, for this is blood-lust now, nothing less. The fact that something like 96% of Israelis support what is being done to the Palestinians should tell you this is a nation that is sick to its core.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQMZW-B-k1w
They probably don`t realise it yet, but through these actions, the end of the Jewish State is inevitable. Hopefully, a new state that offers equal rights for everyone can emerge. And if the settlers don`t like that, send them back to Brooklyn, Moscow, or wherever else they come from. They shouldn`t be there in the first place.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 16 Feb 03:34
Their grandparents would be disgusted with what Israel is doing. Genocidal murderers
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 16 Feb 08:36
USA Planning to give Israel $14 billion to help them in the war against Hamas
How can this be a war .. Its murder/genocide and we are all standing by watching
Israel achieve their ultimate goal
Post Edited (Fri 16 Feb 09:32)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 16 Feb 13:16
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing"
Sometimes this is a criticism that is levelled at those people who kept quiet as the Nazi`s took Jews away on their trains, but it could now be levelled at all of us watching the Israeli state murdering those in Gaza.
I notice the MP Tobias Ellwood was moaning about democracy being at risk after protesters appeared on his doorstep.
It may be the case that MPs need to think about how they reflect the will of the people more closely, or they may find that the people will need to come for them
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 16 Feb 13:37
Come for them how? Like how some pro Brexit English nationalist scumbag came for Jo Cox? If the people that you think Tobias Ellwood isn`t representing properly feel they want their views more correctly reflected then they`ll have a chance in eight months or so to replace him by simply turning up at a temporary closed primary school or community centre and putting a cross in a little box.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 16 Feb 15:40
Aye but you cant talk down Israels actions or you are classed as anti Semitic……
What they are getting away with is disgraceful, but it wont stop.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 16 Feb 15:44
I doubt if Red Star Par has managed to come for himself yet
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 16 Feb 18:06
Quote:
Parboiled, Fri 16 Feb 15:44
I doubt if Red Star Par has managed to come for himself yet
I have people that do that for me
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 16 Feb 19:11
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 16 Feb 13:37
Come for them how? Like how some pro Brexit English nationalist scumbag came for Jo Cox? If the people that you think Tobias Ellwood isn`t representing properly feel they want their views more correctly reflected then they`ll have a chance in eight months or so to replace him by simply turning up at a temporary closed primary school or community centre and putting a cross in a little box.
There lies the problem, in-between the GAs the politicians can do as they please.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 28 Feb 10:05
Thank you for posting this, Tenruh. It is a stunningly honest, truthful, and very welcome speech. It should be broadcast far and wide.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 22 Mar 09:07
Israel must stop or be stopped. We are way beyond the point where an international intervention is necessary. These people blockading the aid trucks are certifiably insane. If I were a Jew, I would be mortified that this was happening in my name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRzfb2oMaM
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Wed 27 Mar 04:20
Quote:
OzPar, Fri 22 Mar 09:07
Israel must stop or be stopped. We are way beyond the point where an international intervention is necessary. These people blockading the aid trucks are certifiably insane. If I were a Jew, I would be mortified that this was happening in my name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRzfb2oMaM
I get what you are saying Oz this is a country that is clearly ashamed of nothing and offended by everything it’s been said time and time again but these cretins are no different to the nazi’s Netanyahu is a war criminal plain and simple if it were carefully targeted strikes they were conducting I’d say good on you for fighting terrorism but it’s not it’s indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians the vast majority of whom want nothing nothing to do with hammas but the western world are too $hit scared to say enough is enough because they helped create this problem
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 28 Mar 21:16
!00% agree, Back oh the net.
The time for pussy-footing is well past. The United Nations can - and should - apply the screw on Israel directly under what is known as a Chapter 7 resolution, which mandates sanctions and the use of military force on Israel.
If the USA were to apply its veto in the Security Council to counter this, it would leave itself open to international condemnation for supporting genocide. The fact that the USA abstained on the last UN resolution suggests that Biden, at last, realises how considerable the opposition within and without his country is to America`s support of Israel.
If a UN peacekeeping force were installed in Gaza to ensure the supply of aid and the protection of the Gazans, undoubtedly, the situation would be massively improved.
These demonic settlers and the passive IDF soldiers who are disrupting the aid convoy would be well-advised to abandon that tactic if they came up against platoons of, say, Chinese, Russians, or Gurkhas wearing blue helmets. It would not end well for them if they opted to persist.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Mon 1 Apr 09:55
Agree with you here OzPar. I do actually wonder what the possibility of Irish peacekeepers in Gaza and the West Bank would be considering their stance on the South Africa genocide case. As for Russian and Chinese troops, Russia probably can`t spare them and both them and China have rather incompetent militaries. A Japanese/Korean UN peacekeeping taskforce would be effective as both are very well-trained and have no real manifested interest in the situation there.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 11 May 09:09
America admitting that Israel have used their weapons in a way that may have broken international law and then Israel today tell more people in Raffah to move before another offensive…….
Seriously, when will the West act to stop this?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 May 09:30
"Oh no, they keep buying weapons from us to do bad things. If only there was something we could do to stop this? Stop selling weapons? Don`t be daft."
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 13 May 06:57
Gary Lineker articulates how most sensible people feel about this horrendous human tragedy.
BBC and Gary Lineker
I doubt the BBC will suspend him again. It`s hardly controversial.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Mon 13 May 12:59
Lineker described it as "the worst thing I`ve seen in my life" .
Given that Lineker was born in 1960, there’s no way this is true.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 13 May 14:02
He should stick to blethering about VAR with his fellow footie deep thinking intellectuals.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 14 May 03:22
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Mon 13 May 12:59
Lineker described it as "the worst thing I`ve seen in my life".
Given that Lineker was born in 1960, there`s no way this is true.
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What have you seen that is worse than what is occurring today in Gaza? I was born in 1954, and this is the worst thing I have seen.
Genocides like those in Biafra, Cambodia, and Rwanda primarily occurred out of sight of our media. We grasped the extent of the killings only after the events. Today, the technology is there to live-stream every atrocity into our living rooms, with the highlights transmitted in two-minute bites on TikTok for millions to devour on their telephones later.
Much is said about how the events in Gaza will create a new generation of Hamas fighters seeking revenge for the loss of family members. That is probably true, but my more immediate concern is when many of those IDF fighters you see on TV blowing up buildings and firing indiscriminately into crowds return home to our countries and their jobs in the hearts of our cities.
I find it hard to believe that these evil rabid dogs, who one minute are capable of clubbing to death unarmed civilians, firing rockets into the living rooms of Gazan families, or shooting kids in bread queues, can suddenly transform back into mild-mannered civil servants or accountants, or teachers, on their return to Glasgow or Edinburgh or even Dunfermline after serving their terms of duty for another nation in the Israeli Defence Force.
Rather than putting all our focus on the contents of a few small boats off our shores, we should acknowledge that multiple mass murderers are walking unhindered through passport control every day at airports off El Al flights with seemingly no proper checks and balances in place.
How long before something triggers one of these vile creatures in our midst, and evil suddenly visits us?
Post Edited (Tue 14 May 04:30)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 14 May 11:02
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 14 May 03:22
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Mon 13 May 12:59
Lineker described it as "the worst thing I`ve seen in my life".
Given that Lineker was born in 1960, there`s no way this is true.
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What have you seen that is worse than what is occurring today in Gaza? I was born in 1954, and this is the worst thing I have seen.
Genocides like those in Biafra, Cambodia, and Rwanda primarily occurred out of sight of our media. We grasped the extent of the killings only after the events. Today, the technology is there to live-stream every atrocity into our living rooms, with the highlights transmitted in two-minute bites on TikTok for millions to devour on their telephones later.
Much is said about how the events in Gaza will create a new generation of Hamas fighters seeking revenge for the loss of family members. That is probably true, but my more immediate concern is when many of those IDF fighters you see on TV blowing up buildings and firing indiscriminately into crowds return home to our countries and their jobs in the hearts of our cities.
I find it hard to believe that these evil rabid dogs, who one minute are capable of clubbing to death unarmed civilians, firing rockets into the living rooms of Gazan families, or shooting kids in bread queues, can suddenly transform back into mild-mannered civil servants or accountants, or teachers, on their return to Glasgow or Edinburgh or even Dunfermline after serving their terms of duty for another nation in the Israeli Defence Force.
Rather than putting all our focus on the contents of a few small boats off our shores, we should acknowledge that multiple mass murderers are walking unhindered through passport control every day at airports off El Al flights with seemingly no proper checks and balances in place.
How long before something triggers one of these vile creatures in our midst, and evil suddenly visits us?
You missed out Yugoslavia Oz, a European slaughter house!😮💨
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 14 May 12:05
Quote:
Parboiled, Mon 13 May 14:02
He should stick to blethering about VAR with his fellow footie deep thinking intellectuals.
OK, I`ll bite. Lineker is a former footballer so all his brains are in his feet, right? He should therefore not be entitled to express an opinion on any subject other than football and if he does it should be discounted on the grounds that he is extremely thick. Gotcha.
Perhaps you would care to enlighten us on the illustrious career you enjoyed so we can pass similarly stereotypical judgements about which areas of expertise you may be permitted to pontificate about..... 🙄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 14 May 12:11
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Mon 13 May 12:59
Lineker described it as "the worst thing I`ve seen in my life" .
Given that Lineker was born in 1960, there’s no way this is true.
I`m beginning to think you and Parboiled are two cheeks......
How can you possibly know what the worst thing that Gary Lineker, or any other individual, has seen is?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 14 May 12:30
I`d be interested in what people do for a living as I assume they are only knowledgeable about their job and nothing more.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 14 May 13:14
My career was one I cannot disclose for security reasons. This incognitoness is a cross I must bear…
Perhaps if I was on the telly every week I too would have millions of folk to preach to
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 14 May 13:22
Yes, you are correct, Lochgelly. I overlooked the Balkans conflict. It was indeed a slaughterhouse. We should not forget that it prompted a sharp and effective military intervention from Western forces. Where are those same forces today? And where is the humanitarian intervention that is so necessary to stop the killings?
It is tasteless to make comparisons when we are talking about human lives, but even at its worst, the Srebrenica Massacre claimed 7,800 victims. In contrast, Gaza already sits at least five times that currently.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 14 May 14:58
Quote:
Parboiled, Tue 14 May 13:14
My career was one I cannot disclose for security reasons. This incognitoness is a cross I must bear…
Perhaps if I was on the telly every week I too would have millions of folk to preach to
🤣😂🤣
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 14 May 16:09
It`s OK to buy a TV channel or create one of your own if you you want to get your point of view across of course.
The common factor in all these conflicts is the contemptuous value put on human life. Collateral damage to life and limb of innocent civilians is viewed by the perpetrators as unavoidable and acceptable.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Tue 14 May 19:06
“How can you possibly know what the worst thing that Gary Lineker, or any other individual, has seen is?”
Well Lineker had plenty to say about Rwanda, so I know he has heard of it. And as Lineker is one of our most learned, erudite, scholarly, heavyweight public intellectuals, I’m sure he did his research and is familiar with its history.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 14 May 19:58
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Tue 14 May 19:06
“How can you possibly know what the worst thing that Gary Lineker, or any other individual, has seen is?”
Well Lineker had plenty to say about Rwanda, so I know he has heard of it. And as Lineker is one of our most learned, erudite, scholarly, heavyweight public intellectuals, I’m sure he did his research and is familiar with its history.
He did use the word "seen", not "heard." And as Oz explained, we didn`t watch TV pictures of the Rwanda genocide tragedy, as we currently do with Gaza.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 15 May 01:02
‘we didn`t watch TV pictures of the Rwanda genocide tragedy…’
Yes we did. Take a look on YouTube at:
‘Rwanda Emergency DEC Appeal, Helen Mirren, 1994, ITV News’
Helen Mirren also presented a petition to John Major demanding that he act to stop the genocide and led a vigil in Trafalgar Square. John Major and Bill Clinton were well aware but turned a blind eye.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 15 May 02:57
Christ almighty! Let`s not argue over minor, utterly unimportant details about how much TV coverage there was of a tragedy 30 years ago. Focus on the EVIL that is occurring right now, and for God`s sake, stand up and fight for justice for the women and children being killed in Rafah as I type this.
98% of Israelis approve of what is going on in Gaza. This demonstrates that it is a sick society that needs to be tackled directly. We cannot sit by and watch this genocide occur doing nothing. For starters, boycott Israel in every possible way you can. There is much that our political leaders can and should do, and we should remind them of this.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 15 May 06:07
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Wed 15 May 01:02
‘we didn`t watch TV pictures of the Rwanda genocide tragedy…’
Yes we did. Take a look on YouTube at:
‘Rwanda Emergency DEC Appeal, Helen Mirren, 1994, ITV News’
Helen Mirren also presented a petition to John Major demanding that he act to stop the genocide and led a vigil in Trafalgar Square. John Major and Bill Clinton were well aware but turned a blind eye.
You seem to want to indulge in petty points scoring, Tad. The TV pictures of the Gaza conflict beamed into our homes on a daily basis are the worst I`ve ever seen, and I`m older than Lineker. Horrible though the images from Ukraine are, those in Gaza are on another level. My memories of the civil wars in Rwanda and Yugoslavia have perhaps been dimmed by time, but let`s not get sidetracked from the real issue of here and now. Millions of civilians are going through absolute hell. No food, no water, no electricity, no shelter, and all the while being bombarded by an arsenal of weapons provided by Western powers who are distancing themselves of any responsibility by wringing their hypocritical hands.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 15 May 20:20
I can`t really understand people like Tad Allagash, must be an absolute shell of a human being, devoid of any compassion.
What Israel are doing is inhuman. Over the last couple of days I have seen on X, Israeli settlers hijack food trucks destined for humanitarian aid and then rejoice in the destruction of the food. I seen a video of what initially appeared to be a doctor holding a child`s face, and then felt the revulsion when it dawned on me what I was seeing was that the face was like a mask, and he was placing it back on the smashed head before zipping up the body bag.
Ive not seen anything worse. I`ve been incredibly disappointed by the reaction of the UK Government, but not surprised. I have also been shocked at the rhetoric coming out from normal Israelis and Jewish people worldwide. They will have to reap what they sow
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 28 May 20:06
When are countries going to take some action? More innocent people murdered over the last few days
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Tue 28 May 20:08)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 28 May 21:36
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Tue 28 May 20:06
When are countries going to take some action? More innocent people murdered over the last few days
They aren’t. The US and UK are complicit in all of this, but they wont step in either.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 2 Jun 01:55
1. Haifa Massacre 1937
2. Jerusalem Massacre 1937
3. Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939
4. Haifa Massacre 1939
5. Haifa Massacre 1947
6. Abbasiya Massacre 1947
7. Al-Khisas Massacre 1947
8. Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947
9. Jerusalem Massacre 1947
10. Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947
11. Jaffa Massacre 1948
12. Deir Yassin Massacre 1948
13. Tantura Massacre 1948
14. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
15. Jerusalem Massacre 1967
16. Bahro Al Baquar 1972
17. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982
18. Al Aqsa Mosque Massacre 1990
19. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994
20. Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002
21. Gaza Massacre 2008-09
22. Gaza Massacre 2012
23. Gaza Massacre 2014
24. Gaza Massacre 2018-19
25. Gaza Massacre 2021
26. Gaza Massacre 2023-now
DON`T LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT IT STARTED ON OCTOBER 7th
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 5 Jun 04:52
It goes against my traditional beliefs, but I struggle to see how anyone can comfortably vote for a Labour Party led by Keir Starmer, given his unquestioned support for Israel, something no self-respecting Labourite, let-alone Labour leader, would have given so freely when it was a party of conscience.
Did you see the excellent four-part Al Jazeera documentary done on the Labour Party a while back? It primarily focused on the dark goings-on during the Jeremy Corbin era. You can see the same things occurring now with Diane Abbott`s shameful treatment. Like a metastasizing cancer, the Israel Lobby has infested the Labour Party throughout Britain.
EP. 1 - The Purge
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EP.2 - The Crisis
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EP.3 - The Hierarchy
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EP.4 - The Spying Game
[Youtube]ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-Gpmfajp8[/youtubr]
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 5 Jun 10:10
The party for the working class....go figure.
We wiped them out of Scotland 9 years ago but they`re back again, who would`ve believed it.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 6 Jun 16:07
Bombed a school today, claimed they took out 39 Hamas fighters……when did children become war mongering terrorists? 🤔
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 6 Jun 17:43
Hamas are well known for using schools and hospitals to run their terrorist operations from.
Your reaction is precisely why they do it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 6 Jun 18:34
If a terrorist was in the Kingsgate centre you wouldn`t blow up the whole Kingsgate though, would you?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 6 Jun 19:19
Quote:
jake89, Thu 6 Jun 18:34
If a terrorist was in the Kingsgate centre you wouldn`t blow up the whole Kingsgate though, would you?
sif would by the sounds of it…….
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 6 Jun 19:21
Israel admit to killing many of the 20 to 30 fighters believed to be inside……in an air strike, on a refugee camp……….so more civvy deaths, more needless destruction, over what is still unconfirmed if they even killed 20-30 fighters…….
But its ok, because Netanyahu will say sorry for killing and mutilating numerous civilians……
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 6 Jun 21:26
I`ve seen the photos released of the body bags resulting from this missile strike. Definitely no children involved. Full size body bags.
Israel used surveillance drones and local intelligence to confirm this was a Hamas operating centre. No mistakes made on this occasion.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 6 Jun 21:40
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 6 Jun 21:26
I`ve seen the photos released of the body bags resulting from this missile strike. Definitely no children involved. Full size body bags.
Israel used surveillance drones and local intelligence to confirm this was a Hamas operating centre. No mistakes made on this occasion.
Honestly, just stop 🤦🏻♂️ its worrying that you believe this nonsense…..
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 7 Jun 03:12
It saddens me to see comments like those from SIF. How is it possible to defend such evil actions, not once, not twice, but multiple times?
With each of these atrocities, it is becoming increasingly clear that Israel will not stop the genocide. There is no desire within the Israeli Government or, indeed, the Israeli population to move towards a two-state solution. As for the one-state solution, which surely most humanitarians would favour, that remains a distant pipedream.
I think we are fast coming to the point where external action must be taken to put an end to Israel’s appalling behaviour towards the Palestinians. But where will it come from? Certainly not the USA, or Britain, or Germany. And the UN has revealed itself as a toothless tiger. The Arab nations? Where are they? In countries like Egypt, Turkey and Jordan, the populous fill the streets in their millions, urging their leaders to act, but their leaders do nothing.
In truth, the only genuine support the Palestinians have received has come from Iran, the Houthis of Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
I hate to see the wanton damage the Israelis have visited upon Gaza and, of course, the West Bank. Yet, amazingly, it is something that 98% of the Israeli population supports, proof, if it were needed, that Israel has become a psychopathic nation. That said, I confess that something deep inside me would find quiet satisfaction if large swathes of Tel Aviv were flattened in response. For, how do you measure the appropriate level of revenge for 75 years of bullying, destruction, and murder?
And what is the alternative? Another 75 years of unremitting evil?
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 7 Jun 20:22
SIF is actually correct. It`s a well known tactic of Hamas to use hospitals and schools as a sanctuary for their militants. This is why Hamas should be considered as the terrorist organisation that they are. The sad thing is that the Palestinian Authority is toothless and has not done itself any favours by continually postponing elections and this has greatly undermined it`s legitimacy. And I say this as someone who supports a Palestinian State and also as someone who believes that Hamas would not exist were it not for the behaviour of the Israelis.
Netanyahu and Likud are equally - if not more - reprehensible. The man should be in prison.
Frankly, trying to make sense of the Middle East and all of the facets of the region is a thankless task and simply pointless.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 8 Jun 08:26
Oz, is there a wee bit of sour grapes there because you were found wanting in terms of your knowledge of Ukrainian and Russian history? If so, you need to grow up because you are Hamas` "useful idiot".
What SIF is saying in regard to the use of Hospitals and Schools as a sanctuary for militants DOES happen and like him I have been privvy to briefings regarding this. It`s a common tactic used by Islamist militants and has been employed in Gaza, Iraq, Afghan and so on. For the record, I do not condone missile strikes on these facilities and I condemn the Israelis for not using their special forces in these instances. Moreover I condemn them for being there in the first place.
Personally I think the Israelis are despicable in their behaviour toward the Palestinians but I will not give a free pass to Hamas for killing children and families, which they have done and you blatantly ignore. The ICJ`s (currently tentative) decision to prosecute both sides is 100% correct.
I actually agree with your sentiment on Gaza but you are most definitely refusing to acknowledge that Hamas is no clean cookie. What gives them the right to enter family homes and kill women and children? Allah? Their religion is poison in exactly the same way that Judaism and Christianity is. As for the Palestinian Authority, much of the reason the people lost trust in them is because they continually delayed elections and the Israelis have basically used this a stick to poke the opposition to the PA and keep the political parties fractured.
For absolute clarity: I do not support Israel or their war in Gaza as I have been very clear on. Netanyahu is a War Criminal and should be in prison along with Likud and the leaders of the other Israeli far right who are running the country. The weapons shipments from the West should be stopped with immediate effect and I support the international recognition of a Palestinian state.
The simple point is: don`t be so naïve.
Post Edited (Sat 08 Jun 08:27)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 8 Jun 11:21
Oz claims, quite ludicrously, that only 2% of Israelis are opposed to the action against Gaza, even though close to 20% of the Israeli population isn`t Jewish with most of that sizable minority being Arab-Muslim who I doubt support the reckless actions of the IDF in Gaza or the wider policy against Palestine.
Tel Aviv has a population of just under half a million. Oz would take a quiet satisfaction in portions of it being flattened with the resulting undoubted deaths of tens of thousands of civilians, both Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs. If Israel is a psychopathic nation then what would taking a quiet satisfaction in the destruction of a major city make someone?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 8 Jun 15:59
Honestly, I`m becoming more convinced that Oz is becoming a bit of a "Tankie" and just thinks the West is at fault for everything.
There have been the Claims that Ukraine has lost against Putler when the Russians have failed spectacularly to capitalise on 6 months of American dithering. The Ukrainians have made quite clear that they would rather die than be considered "Russian".
Then there are the assertions about China`s "power" and BRICS and so-called "de-dollarisation" when China is truly b*ggered demographically and economically. The true extent of this will be seen in the next few years. India will be the next Superpower.
It`s genuinely quite dangerous when folk start claiming that those who actually have experience of something are spouting "fake news" as has been the case with Oz toward SIF on this thread.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 9 Jun 02:23
TOWK said: Oz claims, quite ludicrously, that only 2% of Israelis are opposed to the action against Gaza, even though close to 20% of the Israeli population isn`t Jewish with most of that sizable minority being Arab-Muslim who I doubt support the reckless actions of the IDF in Gaza or the wider policy against Palestine.
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I am quoting Time magazine from polling done by Tel Aviv University. And I am being generous—it is actually 1.8%!
In one respect, you are correct; I failed to point out that it was a survey of Israeli Jews, not Israelis as a whole. It would be fair to say that the Arab Muslims in Israel would probably be against the IDF action; after all, in apartheid Israel, they do not have the same rights as the Jews in over 60 respects legally. Given the number of churches that have been destroyed in Gaza and the persistent spitting Christians receive in the streets of Jerusalem from Orthodox Jews, it is fair to say they probably oppose the action, too.
The relevant paragraph in the Time article is as follows:-
"Poll results were also hawkish when it came to the use of force in Gaza: 57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza, 36.6% said the IDF was using an appropriate amount of firepower, while just 1.8% said they believed the IDF was using too much fire power, while 4.2% said they weren`t sure whether it was using too much or too little firepower."
Please don`t question my research.
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TOWK said: Tel Aviv has a population of just under half a million. Oz would take a quiet satisfaction in portions of it being flattened with the resulting undoubted deaths of tens of thousands of civilians, both Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs. If Israel is a psychopathic nation then what would taking a quiet satisfaction in the destruction of a major city make someone?
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Again, please put what I said into perspective. I couched my comment as a confession that something deep inside me would find quiet satisfaction in seeing a levelling of the ledger; in other words, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, such a Middle Eastern concept. I added three questions: How do you measure the appropriate level of revenge for 75 years of bullying, destruction, and murder? What is the alternative? Another 75 years of unremitting evil?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 9 Jun 04:06
HJ said: Oz, is there a wee bit of sour grapes there because you were found wanting in terms of your knowledge of Ukrainian and Russian history? If so, you need to grow up because you are Hamas` "useful idiot".
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Haha! No sour grapes, HJ. I will be 70 this year, so if I haven`t grown up, I should celebrate discovering the fountain of youth! I am neither a defender nor a detractor of Hamas. I may not like their methods, but I sympathise with their cause. In certain respects, you may well be close to the truth when you suggest I haven`t yet grown up. My opinion on Palestine has not changed in more than 50 years.
On another thread, I related how my father was a paratrooper in the 6th Airborne Division, landing behind enemy lines in Normandy on D-Day. About nine months later, his division advanced to the Baltic to meet the Russians at Wismar. On their way there, they passed the Bergen Belsen Concentration Camp and were horrified by the appalling condition of the prisoners they saw, primarily Jewish.
After the war ended, the division was sent to Palestine to help police the British Mandate before the state of Israel was established. It is fair to say that the paras went to Palestine with considerable sympathy for the Jews. However, the Jews were impatient for their state. Through increasingly militant Zionist organisations like Irgun, Hagunah, and the LHI (known as the Stern Gang), they created the template for modern-day terrorism, and their primary target was the British Army.
Used to conventional fighting in Europe, British troops found it difficult to deal with the particularly violent actions of Irgun and LHI. My Dad described to me as a teenager the horrors he experienced in almost two years in Palestine.
He and his mates dug through the rubble of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, looking for survivors after the Irgun bombed it - 91 died. A young soldier in his brigade was discovered "cooked" in a locked tin trunk that the Stern Gang had deliberately left under the midday sun in a town square. And, of course, there was the infamous incident where two soldiers were hung and their bodies booby-trapped with explosives.
We should never forget that more than 750 British Army personnel lost their lives in the three years leading up to the establishment of Israel. It was a very dirty war, and the perpetrators founded the Likud Party, and their successors became the leaders of today`s Israel.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 9 Jun 14:43
The 1.8% figure comes from a poll that was carried out in the aftermath of the October 7th attacks during a period where I think they were still finding the bodies of some victims.
A poll last month said 56% of Israelis think it is more important to negotiate the release of the hostages than to continue the war with Hamas, but let`s nuke Tel Aviv anyway.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 9 Jun 17:49
They rescued 4 hostages from Hamas strongholds the other day. Reports are that 400 people perished in the attempt. The hostages were supposedly in good condition medically.
Got to wonder how that could be when Hamas are so barbaric?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 10 Jun 07:58
HJ said: Honestly, I`m becoming more convinced that Oz is becoming a bit of a "Tankie" and just thinks the West is at fault for everything... It`s genuinely quite dangerous when folk start claiming that those who actually have experience of something are spouting "fake news" as has been the case with Oz toward SIF on this thread.
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I don’t doubt SIF’s sincerity for a moment, but I do question his sources, as I do yours, HJ. I confess I had never heard of “Tankie” until now. I had to look up its meaning, and I can confirm I am neither a communist nor am I particularly sympathetic to that cause.
You see, I experienced life in a traditional communist system, albeit just for a few days, in 1970, when I visited the Soviet Union as a school student. The country I visited was not the grim and monochromatic dystopia painted by the Western media at the time but a place rich in history, beauty, and the warmth of its people. Yet, the contradictions I witnessed in Leningrad and Moscow were undeniable, as communism`s promises clashed with the reality experienced by the young Soviets I met.
So, when I assert that Russia is winning its war against Ukraine, I am not doing so based on ideology but on a review of the available evidence provided by parties from all sides. We’ve discussed this before; I don’t need to repeat it.
The same is true for BRICS and de-dollarisation; I will say that America’s hegemony is ending, while BRICS is growing stronger and stronger, with Russia, China, India, Turkey, and Iran at its centre. We are fast moving towards a multipolar world—and not all folk in the West think that is a bad thing!
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SIF said: “Hamas are well known for using schools and hospitals to run their terrorist operations from. Your reaction is precisely why they do it… I`ve seen the photos released of the body bags resulting from this missile strike. Definitely no children involved. Full size body bags. Israel used surveillance drones and local intelligence to confirm this was a Hamas operating centre. No mistakes made on this occasion.”
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And your source for this, SIF? The Israeli Defence Force? I provided a link to an on-the-ground Al Jazeera report with accompanying photographs of the dead - no body bags in sight, the bodies are wrapped in blankets and carpets.
Israel was founded on a lie, and it continues to live on lie after lie after lie. Lies and distractions – “Don’t look here… look over there… and there!” Where are the tunnels under the hospitals containing the Hamas control centres? Where are the beheaded babies? The mass rapes? All Israeli lies!
And since we have had the Israeli raid that "rescued" four hostages. More than 270 Palestinians died, and 700 were wounded, some critically, but the Western media is full of triumphant joy. Barely any mention that among the dead were three more hostages...
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 17 Jun 05:02
Virtually every day, we see videos of little children dead, cradled in their helpless parent`s arms in Gaza, or we see kids crying in the rubble of bombed-out buildings looking for someone, anyone, in their family to offer them protection, or kids in a broken-down hospital with limbs amputated by frantic doctors forced to perform operations without anaesthetic.
What if you are kept contained in the world`s biggest open prison while foreign-born imposters steal your people`s land? What if someone takes away your ability to find a political solution for 75 years? And what if you hear some fool ask: why don`t you condemn Hamas?
If it were me, I would have to say: hell no, I don`t condemn Hamas! If these had been my kids, I would be coming after you in any way I could!
How can any person of conscience condemn a violent resistance movement of freedom fighters against a nuclear-powered police state that bases its whole existence on apartheid and is committed to the extermination of 2.3 million human beings?
The tragedy is that all this killing has nothing to do with religion or ideology; at its core, this is all an elaborate land grab. Nothing more.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 25 Jun 01:47
When the White House spokesman was asked about the killing of a 6-year-old child by Israel, he said that the US asked Israel to investigate:
Reporter: "An Israeli tank likely killed 6yr-old Hind Rajab, her car was hit with 355 bullets."
Miller: "Israel says there were no tanks in the area."
Reporter: "So, who shot the 355 bullets?"
Miller: "We`ve asked Israel to investigate."
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Lies after lies after lies. Zionism is the devil`s work!
A high proportion of the Israeli population are Ashkenazi Jews, in other words, Europeans of Russian, Polish, Romanian, German and Hungarian descent. They are not Middle Eastern, indigenous to the region, or... wait for it... Semitic.
Israel has one of the highest skin cancer rates in the world. Now, ask yourself, why would that be?
Most Israelis have changed their names from Eastern European to more Hebrew-sounding names. Since its inception, every prime minister of Israel has done so—Benjamin Netanyahu`s father, Benzion Mileikowsky, who was born in Warsaw, changed his name when he moved to Israel. Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv but was educated and spent most of his life, up to the age of 18, in the USA.
For a very good reason, Israel bans DNA tests. These tricksters don`t have a genuine claim to the land they have stolen.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 13 Jul 03:14
I refuse to let this thread disappear and will keep bringing it to the top. Given the frequency of the atrocities being committed by Israel, that should not be a difficult task. It surprises and disappoints me in equal measure that other Pars fans don’t seem willing to engage on this topic to any significant degree. I can think of no greater evil action this century.
The UK medical journal The Lancet estimates the deaths in Gaza to be up to 186,000 if allowance is made for those poor souls missing or compressed under the concrete rubble, whose deaths will never officially be recorded. That is 8% of the population of Gaza. The horror and extent of the depravity are almost unimaginable, but the Zionists insist on deflecting us with repeated calls to remember October 7.
And now, finally, the Israeli paper Haaretz admits in its English-language edition that on October 7, the so-called Hannibal Directive was applied, allowing Israeli Defence Forces to kill their own people to prevent them from being taken hostage in Gaza. They did so using Apache attack helicopters, tanks and artillery. Haaretz suggests that perhaps the majority of the 1,200 Israelis who died on October 7 were killed by their own defence force.
Most of us will have seen the photos and videos disseminated by the Israeli Government of hundreds of cars roasted in which Israelis were burned alive and of fire-scarred houses with large sections blown away where those who were inside would have had no chance to survive.
Were we really asked to believe that this was the result of action taken by Hamas fighters using small arms carried over their shoulders? Yes, we were, and most of us believed because every government leader and media outlet told us we should believe!
But, as the Israelis now admit, this was a lie - the biggest lie of all! Even more significant than the subsequent false claims of burnt babies, multiple rapes, beheadings. This is significant because 186,000 Gazans are dead.
The embarrassing truth is that there was an official cover-up of one of the most decisive events of recent history, and our leaders and media were complicit in this cover-up.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 13 Jul 08:34
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 6 Jun 21:26
I`ve seen the photos released of the body bags resulting from this missile strike. Definitely no children involved. Full size body bags.
Israel used surveillance drones and local intelligence to confirm this was a Hamas operating centre. No mistakes made on this occasion.
Yes, suck up that Zionist propaganda
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 13 Jul 09:43
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 13 Jul 03:14
I refuse to let this thread disappear and will keep bringing it to the top. Given the frequency of the atrocities being committed by Israel, that should not be a difficult task. It surprises and disappoints me in equal measure that other Pars fans don’t seem willing to engage on this topic to any significant degree. I can think of no greater evil action this century.
The UK medical journal The Lancet estimates the deaths in Gaza to be up to 186,000 if allowance is made for those poor souls missing or compressed under the concrete rubble, whose deaths will never officially be recorded. That is 8% of the population of Gaza. The horror and extent of the depravity are almost unimaginable, but the Zionists insist on deflecting us with repeated calls to remember October 7.
And now, finally, the Israeli paper Haaretz admits in its English-language edition that on October 7, the so-called Hannibal Directive was applied, allowing Israeli Defence Forces to kill their own people to prevent them from being taken hostage in Gaza. They did so using Apache attack helicopters, tanks and artillery. Haaretz suggests that perhaps the majority of the 1,200 Israelis who died on October 7 were killed by their own defence force.
Most of us will have seen the photos and videos disseminated by the Israeli Government of hundreds of cars roasted in which Israelis were burned alive and of fire-scarred houses with large sections blown away where those who were inside would have had no chance to survive.
Were we really asked to believe that this was the result of action taken by Hamas fighters using small arms carried over their shoulders? Yes, we were, and most of us believed because every government leader and media outlet told us we should believe!
But, as the Israelis now admit, this was a lie - the biggest lie of all! Even more significant than the subsequent false claims of burnt babies, multiple rapes, beheadings. This is significant because 186,000 Gazans are dead.
The embarrassing truth is that there was an official cover-up of one of the most decisive events of recent history, and our leaders and media were complicit in this cover-up.
From Haaretz a week ago:
Haaretz does not know whether or how many civilians and soldiers were hit due to these procedures, but the cumulative data indicates that many of the kidnapped people were at risk, exposed to Israeli gunfire, even if they were not the target.
Edit-Link probably won't work properly without subscribing - but no payment.
From Al Jazeera:
A United Nations-backed report from last month put the total number of civilians and soldiers lost to Israeli fire that day at more than a dozen. However, Haaretz said it is impossible to determine the extent of Israeli losses as a result of the directive.
Can you link to the article where Haaretz suggests that perhaps the majority of the 1,200 Israelis who died on October 7 were killed by their own defence force.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 13 Jul 10:50
Parsfan, I was going to suggest, why don`t you check the BBC or other British news sites? But, would you believe only The Guardian seems to have some brief coverage of this?
You really have to ask some serious questions about your mainstream media—evidence, as if it were needed, that they are misinforming you on a grand scale.
This is a MAJOR global news story with massive fatal consequences. Now you see why I obtain my news from various sources.
Indeed, had the original Palestine/Israel thread not been deleted in this forum, you would see that I first mentioned the Hannibal Directive regarding the events of October 7 towards the end of October last year, when the independent media started reporting on it.
Meanwhile, the Western media continues to parrot the dangerous Zionist nonsense, and no one in the mainstream seems prepared to stand up to defend the Palestinians.
If you question the number of victims of the IDF in the IDF-declared `kill zone", please take a look at the pictures of the destroyed shells of cars said to be the vehicles of revellers at the Novo Electronic Music Festival - there are hundreds of them - and ask yourself how Hamas militants, with their Kalashnikovs and rocket-propelled grenades, managed this?
Now we know the truth: they could not have managed it. It was Israeli Hellfire missiles and tank shells following the order given by Israeli Southern Command to ensure that "Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza."
How many civilians were toasted in each of those cars? One, two, three, four? Do the math!
And ask your questions of Israelis, not me.
Edit to add: The "more than a dozen" mentioned in the UN report quoted by Al Jazeera refers to a single incident in one of the Kibbutz, not the attack at the music festival.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 13 Jul 13:04
So, no link then?
I`ve not questioned any figures. I`ve questioned the veracity of your claim that an Israeli newspaper said perhaps the majority of the 1,200 Israelis who died on October 7 were killed by their own defence force.
I`d read the Guardian`s article and watched half an hour or so of Al Jazeera`s coverage yesterday and there was no suggestion of that level of self inflicted deaths. I checked AJ online nothing there either, if true I thought they`d be all over it. Where did it come from? Did you just make it up or was it from one of the sources you trust so much?
Are we to not trust Al Jazeera any more? Are they part of the Western media which continues to parrot the dangerous Zionist nonsense now? Were you not singing their praises earlier?
Don`t get me wrong, I`m broadly in agreement with you on much of this but, as the Israelies are discovering, the more you get caught out with verifiably untrue statements the less seriously people will take the rest of your arguments.
I`m happy for it to be shown as verifiably true, just don`t think it will be.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 13 Jul 22:05
We are witnessing genocide in front of our eyes every day.
The west is complicit
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 14 Jul 09:47
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 13 Jul 22:05
We are witnessing genocide in front of our eyes every day.
The west is complicit
Totally agree!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 25 Jul 23:55
Seeing Netanyahu lauded the way he was in Washington was pretty distressing. It was a stark illustration of the power of the zionist lobby and the extent to which it has choked any concept of democracy.
Any outsider watching this would quickly conclude that the Americans should not be involved in seeking a peace settlement in the Middle East.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 26 Jul 09:39
Nice to see Harris going against the grain!🤔👍
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 27 Jul 22:26
War between Israel and the Iranian backed Hezbollah takes another step closer to happening (and it was already close) after Hezbollah rocket bomb a football pitch killing a number of teens and young people.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 30 Jul 07:14
As always, if you hang around long enough, the Israelis reveal themselves to be despicable liars. And again, this has proved to be the case with this incident.
Multiple independent sources have confirmed that it was not a Hezbollah rocket that killed the 12 Syrian boys at the football pitch in the Israeli-occupied town of Majdal Shams. The prevailing view is that it was a misfired rocket from the Israeli Iron Dome.
There is much evidence to support that conclusion, not least a video of the rocket landing, the minimal size of the bomb crater, the extensive holes in surrounding walls suggestive of the small shrapnel that comes from interceptor rockets, and probably most telling, the IDF moved in swiftly to remove all traces of the missile.
Some people claim it was a false flag attack, an attempt by Israel to find an excuse to mount a full-scale attack on Lebanon. Whatever the case, it is entirely disingenuous to see Zionist tears for 12 Druze Arab children killed in the Golan Heights on land stolen by the Israelis in 1967.
Netanyahu and his cabinet colleagues were told in no uncertain terms that they were not welcome at the boys` funeral. There was no place there for their insincere displays of grief.
According to Save the Children, 13,800 kids have been murdered by Israel in Gaza since October 7. That is in 297 days... in other words, 46 children are murdered every day in Gaza by Israel. Tens of thousands have been badly injured or lost limbs, and God knows how many have died of starvation or trauma-related causes.
But fair do`s to you, TOWK, for picking up on the alleged Hezbollah atrocity. Good luck to you in your unrelenting support of mass genocide in Palestine.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 30 Jul 09:27
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 30 Jul 07:14
As always, if you hang around long enough, the Israelis reveal themselves to be despicable liars. And again, this has proved to be the case with this incident.
Multiple independent sources have confirmed that it was not a Hezbollah rocket that killed the 12 Syrian boys at the football pitch in the Israeli-occupied town of Majdal Shams. The prevailing view is that it was a misfired rocket from the Israeli Iron Dome.
There is much evidence to support that conclusion, not least a video of the rocket landing, the minimal size of the bomb crater, the extensive holes in surrounding walls suggestive of the small shrapnel that comes from interceptor rockets, and probably most telling, the IDF moved in swiftly to remove all traces of the missile.
Some people claim it was a false flag attack, an attempt by Israel to find an excuse to mount a full-scale attack on Lebanon. Whatever the case, it is entirely disingenuous to see Zionist tears for 12 Druze Arab children killed in the Golan Heights on land stolen by the Israelis in 1967.
Netanyahu and his cabinet colleagues were told in no uncertain terms that they were not welcome at the boys` funeral. There was no place there for their insincere displays of grief.
According to Save the Children, 13,800 kids have been murdered by Israel in Gaza since October 7. That is in 297 days... in other words, 46 children are murdered every day in Gaza by Israel. Tens of thousands have been badly injured or lost limbs, and God knows how many have died of starvation or trauma-related causes.
But fair do`s to you, TOWK, for picking up on the alleged Hezbollah atrocity. Good luck to you in your unrelenting support of mass genocide in Palestine.
Can you share these Independent sources as the only source I can find even mentioning this is Middle East Eye which says it`s a Hezbollah claim.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 30 Jul 09:28
I`ll ignore that cheap shot at the end there Oz and instead ask you to name some of these independent sources that prove it was an Israeli rocket. I hope they are more reliable than the ones that told you that George Galloway was one of the worlds most influential politicians, he was going to stop Labour winning a majority and that Ukraine was going to collapse imminently.
A false flag to justify a full scale war against Lebanon? Yeah because that`s what Israel wants, another major military operation however since they have been trading artillery and rocket attacks with Hezbollah for months now there would be no need to fabricate any additional justification. They`ve been on the brink of full scale conflict with Hezbollah since the students end of last year.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 30 Jul 11:09
I am not going to play ping-pong with you guys. Although I have repeatedly provided links on request, I will be cautious about doing so in the future. Here are some, and there are plenty more if you look yourself. As I said, the prevailing view in the Middle East is that it was a misfired rocket from Israel`s Iron Dome. Hezbollah has no beef with the Syrians. These links are not from the regular UK or US media, which I no longer trust.
Dialogue Works - Col. Jacques Baud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xYCni0nVTc
Former US Ambassador Charles Freedman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxiXesu8kTg
The Cradle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-7jqjNBPRk
Former UK Ambassador Alastair Crooke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDERjMb3ZIs
As for your jibes about George Galloway and Ukraine, well, I will take the Galloway one. He was a disappointment, but there clearly was some underhand work going on against him. He was an MP with candidates standing in hundreds of seats. Reform UK had no MPs, yet was on every published poll and Farage was never off the TV. Galloway was deliberately starved of publicity and we saw the results.
Ukraine? It`s been over for a long time. Ukraine does not have enough men left to fight. The US and Nato did the Devil`s work providing more funds to this hopeless cause. Thankfully, China is set to host negotiations between the two parties. With luck, the next few weeks should see the war`s conclusion.
My sources are normally good. Most of my reporting on here has been pretty close to the mark.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 1 Aug 23:25
So raping and sodomising Palestinians in prison isn`t actually rape according to Israel. Yep, totally normal behavior guys.
Sickening
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 2 Aug 09:23
Pretty interesting segment on John Oliver this week on Israeli settlements if anyone has sky catch up
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 2 Aug 12:21
Does the possibility of Iran entering into this conflict after the execution of the Hamas military leader not rate a mention on this thread? There must now be a very real threat of this escalating into a full scale war between Israel and some of its Arab neighbours.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 2 Aug 13:21
It seems like sooner or later, though maybe not now, that escalation is going to ratchet up further and will likely involve a major conflict between Iran and Israel. The direction of travel of both nations is leading to it.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Fri 2 Aug 15:01
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 2 Aug 13:21
It seems like sooner or later, though maybe not now, that escalation is going to ratchet up further and will likely involve a major conflict between Iran and Israel. The direction of travel of both nations is leading to it.
Indeed.
The big problem is that Israel have nukes, and Iran are apparently pretty close…
Some of the hierarch in Iran seem intent enough on clearing out Israel to actually use them - and Israel would definitely respond in kind
And that’s IF Israel don’t pre-emtively try to take them out, if/when they believe Iran is capable…
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 9 Aug 23:39
The Palestinian who the IDF gang-raped has been taken back to the Sde Teiman concentration camp. He was hospitalised with "a ruptured bowel, a severe injury to his anus, lung damage and broken ribs," according to Israeli media.
And the West condones this?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 10 Aug 07:19
I`ve only seen western governments condemn this incident. It`s certainly vile and disgustingly brutal treatment and kudos to Israeli media for actually reporting on their own militaries crimes.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 10 Aug 09:06
Makes you wonder what they`re NOT reporting if they are not accepting their military are rapists.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 10 Aug 09:38
The Guardian has just reported that dozens of people have been reported killed and injured after an Israeli strike on the Tabeen school in Gaza City overnight. The Hamas-run government says more than 100 people were killed in the strike, with many others injured. Gaza health officials, however, put the death toll at around 60.
The Israeli military said in a statement that its air force targeted a command and control centre where Hamas commanders and operatives were hiding.
The IDF said it had taken steps to reduce the risk of harming civilians, “including the use of precise munitions, aerial surveillance, and intelligence information”. It did not immediately comment on the casualty reports from Gaza.
Three missiles ripped through the school and the mosque inside, where about 6,000 displaced people were taking shelter from the war, said Mahmoud Bassal, a spokesperson for the Civil Defence first responders who operate under the Hamas-run government. Bassal added the death toll was likely to rise.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 10 Aug 12:01
Personally, I would love to see Erdogan actually follow up and intervene in Palestine. The guy is absolutely deplorable for what he has done to Turkey but this might actually give him some kudos tbh.
There is no question that the Zionazi Likud regime in Israel absolutely has to be taken down. The question is: how?
The problem that exists is that Hamas ARE extreme Islamists and DO use hospitals and schools as command and control centres. And the Israelis will always use this as an excuse for some of their activities. Oz has attacked myself and other posters for saying this (quite obviously without knowing any better), but anyone who has served in the armed forces will likely have seen evidence of organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah doing just this. This was certainly included in my training at least. The situation is not as black and white as has been painted by many. The ICJ was perfectly correct in recommending arrest warrants for both Israeli and Hamas leaders.
Oz`s posts would hold far more credence in my opinion if he was as outraged at the Russian genocide on the Ukrainians or the Chinese genocide on the Uighurs as he seems to be with the Palestine-Israel situation. Instead he would rather appease and even praise people like Putin and Xi, who are quite clearly committing genocide. Nothing like double standards eh?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 11 Aug 22:36
So, Hurricane Jimmy has joined the chorus of deniers and deflectors.
"Come on folks, don`t look here... look over there... and there! Don`t keep looking at Gaza... look at Russia and Ukraine... China and the Uighurs. Look at Oz`s double standards!
I think the modern term for this is "Whataboutery."
HJ goes to some effort to emphasise that Hamas is an extremist terror organisation that embeds itself among the public in hospitals and schools, completely ignoring the evidence and the facts on the ground that reveal the IDF has repeatedly lied to justify its evil doings.
The creation of Israel involved three-quarters of a million Palestinians kicked off their land, and they have continued their theft ever since, only on a grander, more entitled scale.
It is the most human thing in the world that you would develop hatred for the people who did that to you. There is no group of people anywhere who would not develop a burning hatred for a foreign military that is policing your streets, kidnapping your people whenever they feel like it, and killing (and raping) your people with zero consequences. How could you possibly live in Gaza or the West Bank and not hate Israel? Go Hamas!
The breakout on October 7 was inevitable. As was the brutal and panicked reaction from the Israelis. As time passed, the truth revealed that much of the evil-doing on that fateful day and the days, weeks, and months that followed was self-inflicted. Nonetheless, the Israelis invited starvation, sickness and disease when they cut off food, water and electricity to 2 million people in Gaza, and they destroyed the infrastructure - the hospitals, the universities, and the schools, with impunity… to our eternal shame, with weapons and bombs supplied by us!
This latest horror saw an already damaged school where 6,000 displaced civilians had sought safe refuge bombed as many gathered for dawn prayers. Israel, of course, claimed there were Hamas fighters amongst them, and there likely were. But would it not be everyone`s expectation in a war zone to have their soldiers there to protect them?
Let this quote from a survivor sink in: "There were pieces of men, women and children lying in front of me … heads separated from bodies, hands and legs all over. It was very difficult, but the worst was the man who was on fire, running and screaming. We ran over to him and put out the fire. He had burns all over his body to a massive degree."
In time, Palestinians and their supporters worldwide will come to celebrate October 7 as Freedom Day. The evil apartheid state of Israel is on a death spiral, and one day, hopefully not too far away, much of the world will be dancing on its grave.
And people like HJ will perhaps realise how foolish they were to defend the indefensible.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Mon 12 Aug 01:20
The second line I wrote Oz was that the Zionazi regime must be removed. I support the Palestinian cause.
No amount of bluster will deflect from the fact that you are not in touch with reality.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 30 Aug 00:44
There is nothing unusual about this. The zionist lobby groups infest the political scene in most Western countries. A year or so ago, Al Jazeera did a splendid four-part documentary on how the zionist lobby in Great Britain completely invented the antisemitism problem within the Labour Party to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn, a well-known supporter of the Palestine cause. It is no surprise that Kier Starmer, who pro-zionist groups have well funded, is a strong supporter of Israel.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 2 Sep 02:59
"God he doesn`t take his clothes off does he!!!!!!!"
This comment is so sad and pathetic. It illustrates a society unwilling to consider an opposing viewpoint. Instead, let`s fire off a glib line to dismiss an effort to open your mind to something you clearly don`t know.
I am getting rather tired of all this nonsense.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 4 Sep 08:17
Quote:
OzPar, Mon 2 Sep 02:59
"God he doesn`t take his clothes off does he!!!!!!!"
This comment is so sad and pathetic. It illustrates a society unwilling to consider an opposing viewpoint. Instead, let`s fire off a glib line to dismiss an effort to open your mind to something you clearly don`t know.
I am getting rather tired of all this nonsense.
For god sake lighten up.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 18 Sep 04:55
Now the story is they`ve managed to detonate thousands of pages across lebanon. Israel are absolute losing the plot
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 18 Sep 08:51
Quote:
Andrew283, Wed 18 Sept 04:55
Now the story is they`ve managed to detonate thousands of pages across lebanon. Israel are absolute losing the plot
Don`t worry, Andrew, not long now, and it`ll be Israel no more.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 18 Sep 09:05
Not in our lifetime Tenruh.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 18 Sep 11:53
It`s all going to kick off in the area and more countries become embroiled.
Hezbollah will already be planning a revenge attack, I`ve no doubt
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 18 Sep 20:35
More children murdered by Israel and this time
In Lebanon - and still nothing from our government condoning it 🤦🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 20 Sep 07:19
Israel has proved once again that it is nothing more than a terrorist state. This time, seeking to kill more people in a couple of minutes with this evil scheme than two planes did at the WTC in New York on 9/11, 2001. Thankfully, they largely failed, but the damage is still significant.
If Israel gets into a full-scale war with Hezbollah, it will have enormous consequences for Israel`s infrastructure and also its people. If they attempt a ground invasion, they will be annihilated, as they were last time. For heaven`s sake, the IDF is exhausted; they can`t beat Hamas, which is tiny in com parison.
Let`s hope that Hezbollah makes a point of targeting the settler communities in the West Bank. Flatten them, and they will do the world a great favour.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 20 Sep 22:52
If Hezbollah were in any shape to seriously defeat the IDF then they would do so. They know though that whatever they throw at Israel will be returned fourfold. For the sake of innocent lives on both sides hopefully Hezbollah pull back from the border and choose a path of de-escalation but I suppose that decision will be taken in Tehran.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 20 Sep 23:47
Ah, the "for the sake of innocent lives" argument. It`s funny how this argument only comes out when the guns are turned in the direction of Israel. This thought is never considered when the IDF is indiscriminately killing innocent women and children in Palestine.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 21 Sep 00:11
If the confrontation escalates further Oz there will be many more innocent lives lost in Lebanon than their will be in Israel, so yes, I for one do hope Iran chooses the path of de-escalation.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 22 Sep 06:14
You are correct, TOWK. There will be many more innocent lives lost in Lebanon than there will be in Israel. The reason for this is that most Israelis support the genocide in Palestine. Thus, an obscenely small proportion of Israelis could be categorised as “innocent”.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 22 Sep 07:37
Yet Oz, you still seem intent on goading the Lebanese into inviting death and destruction upon themselves.
The simple reality is that the IDF are far more powerful than ANY of the other militaries in the region. You know as well as I do that Hezbollah are an Islamist terrorist organisation and that any Israeli response with not be proportionate.
You`ve attacked myself and other posters for confirming that Islamists tactics such as using schools and hospitals as cover do actually happen. Are you actually aware of the technology that went into the pager and walkie talkie attack? Or the infiltration of logistical chains that would be required to make that happen?
Likely, you will once again use such statements to try and accuse me of supporting Israel when the reality is that I despise Likud and Netanyahu. I do also believe that the EU and US have a lot to answer for regarding the Palestinians.
The simple fact is that the Arab world is an absolute Clusterf*ck and its almost impossible to understand the dynamics between the innumerable different groups. Priority #1 for the Palestinians should be to consolidate themselves politically outside of Hamas and start lobbying the UN, EU, Mercosur and ASEAN - now is the prime time to do it as the Israelis have basically destroyed any good will that might have existed toward them.
As with Ukraine and China, your perspectives are deeply flawed and not really in touch with reality on this subject.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 30 Sep 17:02
Now planning a land incursion into Lebanon after bombing Beirut the other day…….
World War 3 on its way it seems but hopefully it remains in the Middle East and we don’t involve ourselves in it.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 30 Sep 18:03
The genocide of the Arab Nations continue`s ..
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 30 Sep 22:43
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 30 Sept 17:02
Now planning a land incursion into Lebanon after bombing Beirut the other day…….
World War 3 on its way it seems but hopefully it remains in the Middle East and we don’t involve ourselves in it.
You might think I`m way off the mark here Dave but I suspect we`re already involved .
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 1 Oct 03:23
Of course, the UK is involved. It has been reported for nine months but not in the mainstream media. RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus plays a vital role in the IDF actions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWUdwkelvM
Here, the Jordanian foreign minister articulates the Arab position on Israel`s behaviour at the United Nations. Despite HJ`s love of "simple facts", the reality is far from the confused clusterf*ck he claims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqh8RVN2cuA
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Tue 1 Oct 10:47
Oz, pretty much everyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the Middle East could tell you that Israel is a unifying factor among the Arab states. Your links do nothing more than confirm that. Who even are Double Brown News btw? 😂
If you really think the Middle East is that simple though and is not based on transactionary relationships (Much like the Russia-China "alliance") then you need to enrol in one of your local universities and actually study it a wee bit from the history up until contemporary politics.
It looks like you`ve got the conflict you were wishing for though, so well done. If you expect anything other than Israeli victory with a mountain of civilian casualties on the Arab side then you`re more of a fool than you appear.
For somebody who claims to be in the know with regard to the events on the ground and the inner working of the media, you are truly remarkably ignorant on the Middle East, China and Russia.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 1 Oct 12:54
Sorry, by the UK being involved I meant troops on the ground and planes in the skies, not just financial backing.
We currently have the blood on 20,000 children on our hands as well as Israel and the US mind you.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 1 Oct 14:35
HJ. You can insult me all you like. You have demonstrated your arrogance and ignorance on multiple occasions, so I`ll wear your childish insults as a badge of honour.
Your dismissal of the Jordanian foreign minister`s comments is astounding given the context of where he was speaking and on whose behalf. But, you are the all-seeing expert, of course. For the record, I would wager that I have seen more of the Middle East than you, and certainly over a longer timeframe.
The fact you don`t know who Double Down News is only serves to emphasise what a pretentious little daftie you are. It is an example of the alternative media that has currently around about 700,000 subscribers. Matt Kennard, who features in the story I cited was formerly in the Financial Times Washington and New York bureaus. There are plenty more such independent news sources these days, produced by professional journalists who have left the mainstream. They are proving themselves infinitely more reliable than the mainstream media.
I will haud ma wheesht on China and Russia for now. Events later this month will likely change your tune.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 1 Oct 15:38
"Priority #1 for the Palestinians should be to consolidate themselves politically outside of Hamas"
Hamas is pretty much a dictatorship (no elections in Gaza since 2005 or so) and dictatorships are pretty difficult to topple from the inside, other than through a military coup, and since Hamas is basically the military the chances of ordinary Gazas being able to consolidate politically `outside of Hamas` without being killed by Hamas are incredibly incredibly small.
In the same way North Koreans SHOULD consolidate against the Kim dynasty, and Russians probably SHOULD consolidate against Putin, and the Chinese SHOULD consolidate against the communist party...
Pretty difficult to do though...I certainly wouldn`t fancy my chances!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 1 Oct 16:34
Good grief I`ve just looked at that Double Down News on YouTube. What a load of tosh.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Tue 1 Oct 21:18
Oz, funnily enough, I have seen a good bit of the Middle East. Through work I very often deal with companies from there as well.
You`ve also tried to claim I am wrong about China and its economy despite me being based in Hong Kong and dealing with companies withdrawing from here and the mainland on a daily basis as part of my job. The crux of the matter is that China has fallen into the "Middle Income Trap" and demographic challenges mean that it faces a near impossible task to climb out of that. India are on the verge of overtaking China as the main driver of global growth. Somehow I think I`d have a better idea of what`s going on here considering I deal with it on a daily basis than a media enthusiast based in Australia, but I guess that makes me pretentious right?
Having done a wee Google on Double Down news it seems they describe themselves as "Alternative Media" as you stated...that should tell you everything you need to know. If you want some "alternative" content then why not go and speak to a number of the anti-Putin Russian journalists now based in Latvia or the anti-CCP Chinese journalists in the US and Canada. The folk I know from the Hong Kong Free Press can certainly tell you some very interesting stuff.
You`ve shown on a number of occasions that you have ZERO experience of military and intelligence perspectives which, generally speaking, are the ones that win out. Now, considering you have cited the likes of Douglas MacGregor and other Sammer-approved media sources in your spreading of false information on the Ukraine conflict, that really undermines the credibility of anything you say. As it stands, the US and EU have basically given the Ukrainians the means to destroy Russia`s military power with not even 0.5% of their respective GDPs. Go figure.
The simple fact (as I like to say) is that you don`t like being called out for your biases and spreading of false narratives, especially by somebody younger than you. You`d do well to remember that its not your generation that will have to fight Putin and the CCP, despite you being willing to spread their distorted narratives. Should Putin decide that he fancies a wee trip to a NATO country then I`ll be back to the Swedish Air Force. My 5 year old son also faces the prospect of mandatory military service in Japan when he grows up, with Japan likely to become a nuclear-armed state owing to the behaviour of the CCP. Some state of affairs, eh?
You`ve now got the conflict between the IDF and Arabs that you were desperate for though, so let`s see how that plays out.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 2 Oct 01:38
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 1 Oct 03:23
Of course, the UK is involved. It has been reported for nine months but not in the mainstream media. RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus plays a vital role in the IDF actions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWUdwkelvM
Here, the Jordanian foreign minister articulates the Arab position on Israel`s behaviour at the United Nations. Despite HJ`s love of "simple facts", the reality is far from the confused clusterf*ck he claims.
I was based at Akrotiri for 5 years, I still know some people that are based there.
There are no facilities at Akrotiri to store weapons/missiles. The only way weapons are going via Akrotiri is if they fly in and straight out again after refuelling but with Israel being so close there is absolutely no point in that when they could fly directly in there.
The UK have no spy planes that are based at Akrotiri, we have never had spy planes based there.
To describe Akrotiri as a sprawling airbase is totally disingenous. Sure it covers a large area but the vast majority of that is wilderness. It has one big runway, navigation aids and that`s it. This guy is full of ****, I can guarantee he has never been on the base so his knowledge is non existent on what facilities are there.
There is a good chance special forces are there or have passed through. I was there when Syria was going on and the then Prime minister said there were no boots on the ground in Syria. I knew this to be a lie as I had been in the bar with them a few says before as they were on their way there.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Wed 2 Oct 06:35
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 1 Oct 14:35
I will haud ma wheesht on China and Russia for now. Events later this month will likely change your tune.
Is that the same elastic month where you had Ukraine crushed and surrendering at least a year ago 😂
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 2 Oct 06:38
Iran has destroyed Israel`s Nevatim Air Base in the Negev Desert. Up to 20 F35s have been knocked out. A catastrophic blow. It is also reported that Mossad`s HQ in Tel Aviv has been destroyed, but this is unconfirmed.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/strike-completely-destroys-f35-base
Let`s hope that now there has been a levelling of the ledger on Iran`s part, the Israelis, the Americans and the Brits see sense and realise the danger of escalating things further.
There are also reports that Ukraine is ready to accept the possibility of territorial concessions for peace. Perhaps the world can pull back from the brink; we have to hope so.
Here is a statement from the Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi. Says it all, really:
"Earlier this evening, we exercised self-defense under Article 51 of the UN Charter, targeting solely military & security sites in charge of genocide in Gaza and Lebanon.
We did so after exercising tremendous restraint for almost two months to give room for a ceasefire in Gaza.
Our action is concluded unless the Israeli regime decides to invite further retaliation. In that scenario, our response will be stronger and more powerful.
Israel`s enablers now have a heightened responsibility to rein in the warmongers in Tel Aviv instead of partaking in their folly."
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Oct 09:47
Oz that article is quoting Iranian sources. No airbase has been destroyed and I doubt these missiles even took out a single bi plane never mind the most sophisticated warplane ever built. Still if Iran wants to proclaim that it did all that to help it keep up appearances at home and allow them an off ramp from escalation then I say let them. Of course Israel might not follow them off that ramp and might decide to settle the Iranian nuclear question once and for all.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 2 Oct 10:29
Your media and government are lying to you. I just looked at the BBC and a couple of your papers and watched Starmer`s press conference, and it is embarrassingly evident that you are being led down the garden path.
You are being told that most of the Iranian missiles were intercepted, and very few got through, the damage was minimal, and only one death was recorded... in the West Bank, of course!
Here`s a clip of one Iranian attack. Please judge for yourself if that matches the narrative you are being told today...
https://x.com/Resist_05/status/1841303476342825363
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Oct 10:44
That clip doesn`t show anything! Certainly doesn`t show an airbase and a squadron of F-35s being destroyed and the evidence for that must surely be overwhelming if it is being reported by one your alternative news sources right?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 2 Oct 11:02
You can defend your murderous zionist entity as much as you like, TOWK. Ultimately, the truth will come out. Israel has put a news blackout on all reporting of damage in Tel Aviv and beyond. But they have a very bloody nose today.
The world is at a tipping point right now. If Israel goes ahead and once again attacks Iran, the Strait of Hormuz will immediately be closed. The flow of oil and gas out of the Gulf will cease. Netanyahu must be stopped before we are plunged into a global war.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 2 Oct 11:03
Surely nobody in here still supports the Israeli cause? 🤔
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Oct 11:12
Are you defending the murderous terrorist supporting Iran then Oz? Just because I don`t fall for the same bullshit you do doesn`t mean I`m supporting Israel.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 2 Oct 11:33
Jings, I had no idea you could opt out of the Official Secrets Act!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 2 Oct 11:43
Yes, I strongly support the Iranians. They are a cultured, intelligent people. Their country is beautiful, and they are nothing like the despots the West paints them to be. They deserve to live in peace, unhindered by American and British sanctions. This is not about Islamic fundamentalism. Their primary sin was that they nationalised their oil and gas industries and got rid of the puppet leaders the West had put in to rule them. They own the Strait of Hormuz, which means they have control of the entry to the Gulf region and the oil and gas wealth therein.
If you have any doubts, you should look at this interview on Sky today...
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1841415735102316931
Are there any lingering doubts about how many Iranian rockets got through...?
https://x.com/KevorkAlmassian/status/1841416251538649368
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 2 Oct 12:12
What do you mean they own the Strait of Hormuz? There are other countries on the other side of that strait. If Iran wants to throw away the diplomatic progress it has made with it`s Sunni Arab neighbours then it can go ahead, it`ll hasten the end of the hard line regime that has for so long brutally subjegated it`s people.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 3 Oct 01:08
I woke up this morning expecting the news to be full of detailed reports of the damage done to Israeli facilities in the Iranian attacks yesterday. But no, not a jot.
The Guardian is still effectively acting as if nothing happened; actually, it says the attacks were a failure and continues to insist that hardly any Iranian missiles hit the ground. The television channels are the same, reporting on Israel’s latest effort to deflect – a bombing attack on the central district of Beirut. In other words, the mainstream media says: Move along, folks. There is nothing to see here.
This parallel universe lives as if the internet doesn’t exist, as if we still live in 1992, and everything continues to be filtered through the lenses of daily newspapers, TV and radio. It pretends we cannot access X/Twitter, Telegram, TikTok, international news channels, translation apps, and the so-called alternative media.
After a few minutes of scanning through there, you can see footage of the IDF’s latest incursion into southern Lebanon. It was an absolute disaster – Hezbollah was lying in wait as they crossed the border, resulting in 20 Israeli soldiers dead and 50 injured. It prompted a full retreat. Any mention of that in the mainstream media?
This is a wake-up call to us all. In absolute clarity, here is the contrast between what the mainstream media and our governments are feeding us and what is happening in reality. Reporting on war has always been opaque, but rarely to the extent that a defeat is painted as a victory, winners are portrayed as losers, and an obvious occurrence is said to have not occurred.
Since early in the Trump administration, when Sean Spicer told those porkies about the inauguration crowd and Kellyanne Conway introduced us to the Orwellian-like term “alternative facts”, we have progressively seen the diminution of truth and facts. It has reached such an extent now that it is evident that we are being manipulated right, left and centre. But by whom? I am sure you can work that out yourselves.
TOWK and Hurricane Jimmy are quick to slam me for quoting the alternative media sources here. The above should illustrate why I do. However, HJ goes further, suggesting that I am some naïve and unaware “media enthusiast based in Australia”.
For the record, I retired early after a minor stroke and a brain aneurysm. But before that, I had been the Australian Bureau Chief of a daily newspaper based in London and the editor of its online news and the weekly paper edition here in Oz. I understand how the media works and can spot bullshit at a hundred yards.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 3 Oct 01:11
(CONTINUED...)
And, to answer TOWK, I was on the navigation bridge of numerous supertankers in a much earlier life as we transited the Strait of Hormuz in and out of the Gulf. I am very aware of the area`s size, scale and geography, and Iran “owns” that strait. Instantly, it can turn the tap on and off to all oil and gas supplies in the Middle East. We face global war and economic destruction if we allow Netanyahu to go any further. This tide needs to turn.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 3 Oct 15:10
Posted in wrong thread - oops!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 7 Oct 10:45
There have been reports that Iran has today tested a nuclear weapon. Well, that might prompt some pause for thought and reflection from Netanyahu. It would seem that Newton`s Third Law now applies.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 7 Oct 11:20
What does that matter. The Israeli nuclear deterrent didn`t stop the Ayatollah launching his missiles last week.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Mon 7 Oct 14:31
Quote:
OzPar, Mon 7 Oct 10:45
There have been reports that Iran has today tested a nuclear weapon. Well, that might prompt some pause for thought and reflection from Netanyahu. It would seem that Newton`s Third Law now applies.
It might prompt the Israelis to attack quicker - they might come up with the conclusion that Iran WILL use a nuke on them as soon as it’s viable…
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 7 Oct 16:26
Or maybe it was just an earthquake
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 8 Oct 05:02
I am pretty sure that we have a seismologist/geophysicist in the dotnet fraternity. I recall reports from him on earthquakes in the past. His input on this would be welcome.
From what I have picked up so far from people with much more knowledge of this than me, the view tends towards the seismic activity in Iran being a nuclear test. The key supportive argument seems to be that earthquakes tend to have aftershocks, and there have been none to date.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 8 Oct 07:42
There is much talk on here about fake news and false narratives. It is a reasonable debate when you are amidst serious conflict worldwide. So, with this in mind, contrast the report below from the alternative media with what you see in the mainstream media. Is the quality of the reporting better or worse than what you are used to? Is the reporter searching out the truth or relating second-hand information?
These alternative news sites don`t have the slick production values of the mainstream media, but I would argue that is not the primary aim of news delivery:
https://x.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1842932372242845737
And here are a couple of interesting documentaries relating to Israel-Palestine that have come out this week. I doubt either of them would be allowed to appear on the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc.:
The Grey Zone Documentary: What Really Happened on October 7?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEurGy05ps&rco=1
Al Jazeera Documentary: Investigating War Crimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPE6vbKix6A
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 14 Oct 03:32
The tide seems to be turning. While Israeli forces threatened Irish soldiers working for the United Nations in South Lebanon and initiated further murderous bombings of defenceless women and children in Gaza, Hezbollah launched a drone attack on a Golani Brigade base near Binyamina, northern Israel, that killed and injured many IDF personnel. Some sources suggest the number may exceed 70.
Hezbollah claims it "eliminated" Israeli Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi in the attack. If true, this would be an enormous blow to the Netanyahu regime and a significant levelling of the playing field in terms of removing leaders. Halevi is well-known on TV and is deemed responsible for many of the worst Israeli atrocities in Gaza.
Hezbollah explained in a statement that its rocket force launched dozens of rockets at various targets in the areas of Nahariya and Akko to engage the Israeli air defence systems. Simultaneously, Hezbollah`s air force deployed swarms of multiple drones, some of which were being used for the first time, targeting different areas in Akko and Haifa.
It claimed that these advanced drones managed to penetrate Israeli air defence radars undetected and reached their target in the Israeli camp, exploding in the rooms where dozens of Israeli army officers and soldiers were preparing to participate in the aggression against Lebanon, including senior officers, resulting in numerous deaths and injuries.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 29 Oct 06:38
https://youtu.be/uoMSK7gPigU?si=dQuRW1Gz0j7dklEM
Well said and every word true……
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 5 Nov 22:43
Israel is beginning to collapse from within. People are on the streets of Tel Aviv calling for Netanyahu`s removal. A guilty charge in The Hague awaits that murderous beast... or maybe Iran has another plan for his future.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 6 Nov 09:31
Iran will simmer down now knowing that the man who took out the head of the IRG is now back in White House.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 21 Nov 12:23
ICC issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant. Fantastic news - No hiding now for the Likud Zionazis! Plus the fact, it piles pressure on the likes of the US, UK, France and Germany to actually deal with these war criminals.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 24 Nov 17:11
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 21 Nov 12:23
ICC issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant. Fantastic news - No hiding now for the Likud Zionazis! Plus the fact, it piles pressure on the likes of the US, UK, France and Germany to actually deal with these war criminals.
Yeah but we have missiles and guidance systems to sell.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 24 Nov 22:48
Having flattened Gaza and parts of Beirut, the Israelis are receiving a taste of their own medicine in Haifa and Tel Aviv courtesy of Hezbollah. And now, there are reports that Iran is finally ready to strike.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 25 Nov 01:03
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 24 Nov 22:48
Having flattened Gaza and parts of Beirut, the Israelis are receiving a taste of their own medicine in Haifa and Tel Aviv courtesy of Hezbollah. And now, there are reports that Iran is finally ready to strike.
8 people injured.
I`m sure they are quaking in their boots at the devastating numbers of casualties.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 25 Nov 07:25
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Mon 25 Nov 01:03
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 24 Nov 22:48
Having flattened Gaza and parts of Beirut, the Israelis are receiving a taste of their own medicine in Haifa and Tel Aviv courtesy of Hezbollah. And now, there are reports that Iran is finally ready to strike.
8 people injured.
I`m sure they are quaking in their boots at the devastating numbers of casualties.
I`m sure they`ll retaliate appropriately and kill hundreds if not thousands more including children, that should warm your heart.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 26 Nov 00:09
I find it quite perplexing that sadindiefreak, TOWK, and a few others seem so willing to constantly come to the defence of Israel, even after that disgusting little apartheid state has committed so many war crimes and inflicted so much tragedy in the Middle East.
Let`s see what they have to say now the Israelis have completely crapped it and accepted a ceasefire with the Lebanese forces. There is no hiding the fact that Hezbollah has given them a right good kicking - again! When it comes to combat, it seems like the IDF left its heroes back in the Six-Day War. Today`s "fighters" seem more comfortable taking selfies than being selfless on a battlefield.
At last reports, their "invasion" into Lebanon was a total failure, with the IDF suffering more than 4,000 casualties - that is, deaths and injuries so severe the soldiers will never serve in action again. For a small army, those are devastating numbers. Their only "success" came in indiscriminate bombings from the air, primarily of civilian apartment blocks in Beirut - a familiar tactic in Gaza, but as cowardly an action as it is possible to imagine.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 26 Nov 10:22
A male Palestinian doctor is thought to have been raped to death, going by his injuries.
I`d love to hear a defence if that.
Bodies being returned with organs missing.
Again,I`d love to hear a defence of that.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Tue 26 Nov 21:05)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 26 Nov 16:35
We`ve got a government in Westminster who won`t even commit to handing over a person with an arrest warrant out for him! To scared of what Trump will do.
Got to be some irony that we`ve got all these folk who bleat on about the empire and royals but stand by when their country is being told what to do by a former part of the empire.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 10 Dec 21:27
Bombing the S*** out of Syria now. Everything they do is “ self defence “ though and therefore justified and supported by USA and English Nationalist Government in WM.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 10 Dec 23:10
Quote:
desparado, Tue 10 Dec 21:27
Bombing the S*** out of Syria now. Everything they do is “ self defence “ though and therefore justified and supported by USA and English Nationalist Government in WM.
Their actions in Syria may be the turning point for the West - they’ve all backed the collapse of the Assad regime and Syrias sovereignty - Israel not seeming concerned by that may just remove Western backing from their self defence claims.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 10 Dec 23:43
I doubt Syrian territorial sovereignty matter much at this moment. Turkey has been carrying out military strikes in Northern Syria as recently as today and actually occupies parts of Syria.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 11 Dec 11:05
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 10 Dec 23:43
I doubt Syrian territorial sovereignty matter much at this moment. Turkey has been carrying out military strikes in Northern Syria as recently as today and actually occupies parts of Syria.
Turkey also backed the militants to gain control of the country, so not very surprising.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 11 Dec 11:28
They back one faction of the rebellion. They occupy part of Syria to help oppose Kurdish groups who were also part of the rebellion against Assad. I doubt it will be long until there is another civil war in Syria.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 12 Dec 11:25
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1872msbQGo/?mibextid=K35XfP
For those in doubt.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 16 Dec 07:56
Bombing three or four countries at once and still being marketed as the victim.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 16 Dec 08:09
Seems to have gone quiet on the MSM, all on holiday for Christmas?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 16 Dec 09:22
No it`s still, as it always has been , reported on extensively by all reputable news outlets. Stories from the last twenty four hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm9w2ym39go
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/15/israel-launches-dozens-of-airstrikes-on-syria-despite-rebel-leader-peace-pledge
https://news.sky.com/story/at-least-54-killed-in-gaza-after-israeli-forces-carry-out-air-and-ground-attacks-13274598
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-increased-threat-syria-despite-moderate-tone-rebel-leaders-2024-12-15/
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 16 Dec 10:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 16 Dec 07:56
Bombing three or four countries at once and still being marketed as the victim.
Now trying to expand golan heights again…..
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 16 Dec 11:45
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 10:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 16 Dec 07:56
Bombing three or four countries at once and still being marketed as the victim.
Now trying to expand golan heights again…..
The Druze majority population in the area have asked Israel to annex the area into Israel. I don`t agree that this should just happen but the Druze leadership are fearing for their safety in Syria under Islamic extremists. It way more nuanced that you are making it out to be.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 17 Dec 07:14
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Mon 16 Dec 11:45
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 10:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 16 Dec 07:56
Bombing three or four countries at once and still being marketed as the victim.
Now trying to expand golan heights again…..
The Druze majority population in the area have asked Israel to annex the area into Israel. I don`t agree that this should just happen but the Druze leadership are fearing for their safety in Syria under Islamic extremists. It way more nuanced that you are making it out to be.
Bombing thousands of kids isn`t nuanced.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 17 Dec 09:01
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 17 Dec 07:14
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Mon 16 Dec 11:45
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 10:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 16 Dec 07:56
Bombing three or four countries at once and still being marketed as the victim.
Now trying to expand golan heights again…..
The Druze majority population in the area have asked Israel to annex the area into Israel. I don`t agree that this should just happen but the Druze leadership are fearing for their safety in Syria under Islamic extremists. It way more nuanced that you are making it out to be.
Bombing thousands of kids isn`t nuanced.
Israel have been hitting surface to surface missile depots and air defence systems in Syria, so unless these are being manned by children thousands of kids" have not been getting bombed in Syria.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 17 Dec 22:14
Sadindiefreak, you really are a heartless pissant. Utterly disgraceful. You are a defender of the most evil people on the planet.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 18 Dec 00:03
TOWK said: No, it`s still, as it always has been , reported on extensively by all reputable news outlets. Stories from the last twenty four hours.
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With the bravery of being out of range
With the bravery of being out of range
We play the game
With the bravery of being out of range
(Roger Waters, 1992)
So, TOWK, you call these reputable news outlets... in whose eyes? None has had a single journalist reporting directly from Gaza since the massacres began. Meanwhile, almost 150 properly reputable journalists have died in Gaza, all at the hands of the murderous and indescribably evil IDF.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 18 Dec 10:47
Yes I do call them reputable. When they report that forty thousand plus have been killed in Gaza should I not believe them?
No idea what the Roger Waters lyric is getting at.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Wed 18 Dec 12:41
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 17 Dec 22:14
Sadindiefreak, you really are a heartless pissant. Utterly disgraceful. You are a defender of the most evil people on the planet.
Just stating facts.
Facts don`t care about your feelings.
You support Russian Nazis committing genocide in Ukraine and Islamic terrorists slaughtering Jews on Oct 7th 2023.
I care about Palestinian civilians that`s why Hamas must be eliminated to give them some hope of a peaceful future.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 18 Dec 16:20
So you are quite content for thousands of innocent Palestinians to be brutally murdered , so that they can have a peaceful future ? 🤷🏼♂️
And of course hope that those who survive the genocide will just dust themselves down and forget what happened and get on with whatever miserable existence awaits them. Yip , that will work ….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 18 Dec 19:17
I`ve actually not met many people that are on the side of Israel, sadindiefreak is one of the few on here that seems to support them. I`m not actually sure how any decent person, with normal human qualities can support the genocide Israel is carrying out.
In real life I only actually know one person that speaks out quite strongly in favour of what they are doing. He`s otherwise a very likeable person, but on this topic he is very upfront about how the Israeli`s should wipe out every single Muslim in their holy land. Having seen the conversations he has with his Israeli friends and relatives, they view the people of Gaza, as less than human, less than dogs, there is no humanity there.
The Israeli`s have been given a very easy ride but the media here and in the US. I hope they reap what they sow
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 18 Dec 23:01
Instead of pursuing largely trumped up charges of antisemitism, I think our governments should rigorously chase dual citizens of Israel and UK (or in my case, Australia) to determine whether they have served in the IDF in the last five years. If they have, then they should be given an ultimatum to revoke their Israeli passport. If not, they should be deported. These IDF soldiers returning to our countries unrestricted represent a considerably greater threat to our countries than say, Syrian refugees. Nothing will convince me that these IDF devils who indiscriminately were blowing up buildings and shooting kids can suddenly turn into upright and peaceful citizens. There are thousands of them in our communities now and they represent a timebomb that can go off at any moment.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 19 Dec 09:09
It’s never going to change when Western Media portrays all Israelis as “American Israeli” or “Irish Israeli” etc - don’t think Ive seen any article with just “Israeli” as their description.
The governments will pander to them for some strange reason, as has already been proven despite hundreds of thousands of their citizens taking to the streets to demand them to back down.
Netanyahu will never be arrested and tried like Slobodan or Saddam were.
How anyone can still back a nation thats killed 40,000 civilians in supposed self defence, when theres been 20,000 children killed is just unbelievable now. Also, how many lay under the rubble? The true death count will never be known from this genocide.
New leaders in Syria seem very willing to work with the West (so far) which will make the whole conflict in the region even more confusing.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 19 Dec 15:29
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 19 Dec 11:42
There`s not been 40000 civilians killed.
https://youtu.be/GGMadJ2pviY?si=8RNChTb-JuX2hBts
Oh come off it……..🤦🏻♂️ the first image used is an entire neighbourhood flattened to the ground. I gave up right away after that.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 19 Dec 15:50
I have a friend in London who’s Granny lost 16 members of her family when the IDF flattened their apartment block. Over two hundred died in that one incident, mostly women and children.
I suppose they were just collateral damage for the three Hamas members that might have lived there…
No right minded human being can support the slaughter of innocents. It’s beyond my comprehension that there are people who are quite happy for Israel to continue its genocide. Sick and sub human is the only way I can describe the Israelis..collective punishment for all, including women and children, the elderly, the frail, students, doctors, teachers, reporters, all being blown to smithereens and Sadindiefreak has no qualms apparently.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 19 Dec 19:39
Funny to see Oz question the morality of others considering his simping for dictators. Remember, according to him "Putin was morally correct" in starting the conflict in Ukraine. Oh, and Xi`s CCP is morally upstanding too!
The convenient sidestep of the Russian Nazis comment was to be expected. Since he likes "alternative sources", maybe a good idea to check out this video from NFKRZ on the racism problem of ethnic Russians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukGChymDUuo
All that said, the suggestion about Israeli dual citizens is a good one although I wonder how it would be legally enforceable. Many countries don`t recognise the relinquishing of a citizenship declared in another country. As a UK-Swedish dual citizen, I could tell the Swedish Government that I relinquish my British citizenship and they have no way of checking as they don`t have the right to check my information in the UK. Likewise, the British will not relinquish my citizenship without me officially writing to the UK home secretary even in lieu of a declaration in Sweden.
Back to the topic at hand though, SadIndieFreak is right about Hamas (and other Islamist organisations for that matter) needing to be taken out of the equation before the Palestinians can have a peaceful future. Where he is definitely wrong though is on the civilian casualties in Palestine. The West has a lot to answer for in its political support for the Zionazis of the Likud Party and others, but I get the feeling that they have really shot themselves in the foot this time and the vast majority of public support in Europe is now against Israel. That will soon have to be reflected politically and I hope that something along the lines of an EU military task force to occupy Palestine and provide security and training is brought to the fore. The US is a different story because of the Zionist lobby and I don`t see that changing any time soon.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 20 Dec 10:58
Away from the humanitarian aspect of what happened in Gaza (which on the long term will be to the detriment of Israel) the strategic position of Israel has now never been stronger. Despite the giddy excitement of some at the prospect of Israeli cities being decimated by Iranian and Hezbollah rockets the Iranian `axis of resistance` had been systematically dismantled. The savage attack by Hamas fourteen months ago wil surely l go down as one of the greatest political and strategic blunders of all time. Or perhaps not. Events can change the scenery but with Trump in control I doubt the Israeli position will be under threat.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 20 Dec 14:00
A very poignant and likely correct observation TOWK. What I genuinely wonder is whether the Hamas attack on Israel was facilitated by the Russians in order as a means of distraction to the US & EU from the Ukraine conflict. If so, then an even bigger embarrassment for Putin, Xi and Tehran than was first thought.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 26 Dec 12:54
I have a profound sense that the "bad guys" have won here. It is the saddest thing I can imagine. The past week`s events have filled me with deep despair.
There is no way I can accept that these creatures happily murdered tens of thousands of innocent civilians without consequence. Joyously danced in their victims` underwear and set up night cruises and viewing towers to film the wanton destruction of universities, hospitals and housing blocks in Gaza filled with women and children, confident that the victims were not even destined to be statistics. Forty thousand dead? Go f+ck yourself! Multiply that figure by five, at least! They are under the rubble and will never be counted. No, these bastards shouldn`t win. they should be universally shamed and punished severely!
I am confident that history, when written a hundred years from now, will view October 7th in a very different light from how it is being painted today. Of course, Hamas were no angels, but in every sense of the word, they were freedom fighters, and eventually, we will learn they were responsible for the deaths of a much smaller proportion of the 1,200 Israelis than they are blamed for today.
Babies cooked in microwaves? Beheadings? Rapes? There are so many lies! It isn`t easy to believe anything these fantasists say. And how stupid were the Iranians and Hezbollah to think that the IDF wanted a ceasefire??? Talk about walking into a trap! The Israelis are habitual liars!!! Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
And then there is the great lie that dare not speak its name. Ah, but that can wait for another day. In the meantime, F2CK ISRAEL and those of you who support them. You heartless bastards.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Thu 26 Dec 19:24
OZ mate - take a breath.
There were documented beheadings and rapes, parading the abused females on the back of trucks for the world to see.
Hamas played the game, expected a big reaction to then claim oppression, and got the consequences.
FAFO
Playing the victim? F**k them.
Honestly, what did you expect Israel/IDF to do?
Smile, turn the other cheek and offer them another go?
I’m no lover of Israel - shower of entitled scumbags with no moral compass - but they were right to respond, and respond hard.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 31 Dec 11:20
Spare a thought for the innocent citizens of Gaza tonight. They won’t be celebrating a new year.
Netanyahu is a monster. Hopefully, he will be charged one day and see his days out in prison ?
Meanwhile, what are the ordinary Israeli people doing? Don’t see much in the way of protests?
Fly with the crows…
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Tue 31 Dec 11:20)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 31 Dec 15:01
Isn`t `fly with the crows` the type of flawed thinking that the Israel has used in their military campaigning?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Tue 31 Dec 16:55
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Tue 31 Dec 11:20
Fly with the crows…
Is Raymie advocating the shooting of crows? 🤔
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 31 Dec 17:35
I am with OZ on this one. Israel have been murdering Palestinians for over 75 years. They created Hamas. What are the Palestinians to do ? Turn the other cheek and hope they will stop stealing their land, imprisoning them and murdering them ?
Are the Palestinians not entitled to defend themselves? When they attacked Israel they were called terrorists and sub human animals.
When Israel do the same x 100, they are defending themselves. The hypocrisy and double standards from those who support Israel is utterly astounding.
How many people require medical attention after months of bombing? And what do the Sub human barbaric Israelis do? Burn one of the last functioning hospitals in Gaza to the ground.
Hell awaits these monsters…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 31 Dec 18:06
Sub human? Where and when have we heard that language used before?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 1 Jan 09:28
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 31 Dec 18:06
Sub human? Where and when have we heard that language used before?
By the Israelis?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 1 Jan 11:29
Probably by some of them yeah, scumbags think like that and there are plenty of those in every society.
Do you believe Israelis are sub human?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 1 Jan 14:09
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 1 Jan 11:29
Probably by some of them yeah, scumbags think like that and there are plenty of those in every society.
Do you believe Israelis are sub human?
Many of them undoubtedly are.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 1 Jan 14:28
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 1 Jan 11:29
Probably by some of them yeah, scumbags think like that and there are plenty of those in every society.
Do you believe Israelis are sub human?
I don`t believe anyone is sub human however they are well documented as seeing Palestinians as such, as animals.
I just don`t see any defence for them, they must have some amount of filth on our politicians.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 1 Jan 19:41
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 1 Jan 11:29
Probably by some of them yeah, scumbags think like that and there are plenty of those in every society.
Do you believe Israelis are sub human?
I believe Zionists are, absolutely.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 1 Jan 20:23
Like Dandy I don`t like describing any group as sub human. It`s was used extensively by the Nazis (though it was the KKK which first coined the term)to dehumanise those they wanted to exterminate. The SS brochure `Der Untermensch` was widely published by the Third Reich and stated.
"The subhuman is a biological creature, crafted by nature, which has hands, legs, eyes and mouth, even the semblance of a brain. Nevertheless, this terrible creature is only a partial human being. Although it has features similar to a human, the subhuman is lower on the spiritual and psychological scale than any animal. Inside this being is a cruel chaos of wild, unrestrained passions, nameless desire for destruction, the most primitive desires, the most naked meanness."
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 1 Jan 20:39
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 1 Jan 20:23
Like Dandy I don`t like describing any group as sub human. It`s was used extensively by the Nazis (though it was the KKK which first coined the term)to dehumanise those they wanted to exterminate. The SS brochure `Der Untermensch` was widely published by the Third Reich and stated.
"The subhuman is a biological creature, crafted by nature, which has hands, legs, eyes and mouth, even the semblance of a brain. Nevertheless, this terrible creature is only a partial human being. Although it has features similar to a human, the subhuman is lower on the spiritual and psychological scale than any animal. Inside this being is a cruel chaos of wild, unrestrained passions, nameless desire for destruction, the most primitive desires, the most naked meanness."
That last sentence is chillingly accurate for anyone who orders, executes or celebrates the crimes we have seen against the people in Gaza.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 1 Jan 21:00
What about the rest of the Nazi description though? Just in that little section from their sinister booklet they describe Jews as `subhuman` and `creatures` which are both terms then used to describe Israeli`s in this very thread. Just coincidence I`m sure but nevertheless a tad unsettling.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 2 Jan 06:08
As always, TOWK, your deflections and whatabouteries know no bounds. Are you honestly prepared to cite Naziism when the Zionists are mirroring their behaviour in almost every way? Do you not see the irony here?
I suppose, in some oblique way, you deserve credit for your determined defence of Israel despite the consistently evil doings of its leaders, its military, and a ridiculously high proportion of its citizens.
The Zionists have displayed the most graphic lack of humanity, suggesting a behaviour that could be defined as "subhuman". And given that context, I am comfortable to describe them as "creatures".
However, if the term “creatures” bothers you so much, there are a host of collective nouns I can think of that would be equally appropriate descriptors for your ugly Zionist friends.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 2 Jan 09:59
So the descriptors you use for the Israelis include sub human and creatures yet the harshest term for Hamas was ` they are no angels`!
I do find it amusing that you think I am some steadfast defender and supporter of Israel simply because I refuse to tow the line in engaging in prejudiced dialogue.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 15 Jan 21:16
So a ceasefire has been reached. How long will it last though? Hopefully it does.
I found a comment by Anthony Blinken very relevant. He said that Hamas has recruited as many fighters ( he did not use that description) than it has lost.
What a surprise….not.
Some posters on here were defending the indefensible and saying that Israel have to eliminate Hamas before they stop their genocide.
It’s impossible to eliminate these groups because the more innocent people that are killed the more people will join them and that has been proved time and time again.
Israel have destroyed Gaza, killed tens of thousands of innocent people, killed a few hundred Hamas fighters and no doubt a few thousand Hamas sympathisers and in doing so have inadvertently created many more people who will hate Israel until the day they die for the crimes against humanity and the atrocities they have committed.
Will they ( Israel ) start to rebuild Gaza, build schools and hospitals…..for Arabs…..not Israeli settlers?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 16 Jan 08:32
Israel gets hostages back, then immediately starts thd killing again.
That`s how it will go.
Surprise surprise, Israel snaking out of the arrangement already.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Thu 16 Jan 08:43)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 17 Jan 00:26
According to some sources, Al Jazeera included, Israeli Security minister Ben-Gvir who is in the Far-Right coalition party is threatening to pull out of the Government if the ceasefire is agreement is accepted by Netanyahu. More to come I think...
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 17 Jan 00:35
Have absolutely no idea about internal Israeli politics but that to me sounds like someone positioning himself for a tilt at office in the future. The ceasefire proposal will be passed I reckon , this guy has will resign ,and regardless of the success or otherwise of the ceasefire he`ll b able to lead a faction who would have been opposed to it no matter what anyway.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 17 Jan 09:04
Israel bombing like crazy and killing as many as they can before the ceasefire kicks in.
Terrorist heretics.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 17 Jan 12:34
Seeing that little boy being pulled out of the rubble yesterday. Unaware the rest of his family were dead nearby. So so sad.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 18 Jan 18:33
Wrong thread
Post Edited (Sat 18 Jan 18:35)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 18 Jan 23:35
So Starmer visits Auschwitz with his Jewish wife along with a photographer to take vanity shots, wonder if they`re visiting Gaza next?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 19 Jan 00:23
This thread won`t last long once the two new owners see it
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 19 Jan 13:25
Well, if Trump is following the Peace Sells playbook it is to be applauded.
The more innocent lives we can save on both sides the better.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 4 Feb 10:45
On the news last night I saw Netanyahu boarding a flight to America , I thought that there was an international arrest warrant out for him?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 4 Feb 10:56
Pretty sure America doesn`t recognise that court. Same way Putin can travel to other countries as well.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 4 Feb 14:18
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Tue 4 Feb 10:45
On the news last night I saw Netanyahu boarding a flight to America , I thought that there was an international arrest warrant out for him?
With any luck the pig will crash.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 4 Feb 15:54
So South Africa raised the genocide case to the ICJ and is now having all USA funding withdrawn, wonder who convinced Trump to do that?🤔
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 5 Feb 06:48
Trump now proposing ethnic cleansing of Gaza . Apparently wee Benny standing grinning like a Cheshire cat.
Post Edited (Wed 05 Feb 06:50)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 5 Feb 08:17
Quote:
Tenruh, Wed 5 Feb 06:48
Trump now proposing ethnic cleansing of Gaza . Apparently wee Benny standing grinning like a Cheshire cat.
That was last week. I posted about it on another thread. He says Gaza is a dump so they should just go to Egypt and let Israel take Gaza. Problem is Egypt don`t want Palestinians and have built a wall (Trump must be a fan) to prevent them coming in.
While I have some admiration for Trump`s "just do it" attitude, he is painfully unaware of the impact of what he says. He`s like Sheldon in Big Bang Theory in steroids.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 5 Feb 08:46
Has now come out saying he wants to the Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East and that the US are going to have a full occupation of the area and revitalise it and remove the bombs, tunnels etc from the area. Hamas have said he’s lost the plot. This has a long long way to go
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 5 Feb 09:54
Quote:
jake89, Wed 5 Feb 08:17
Quote:
Tenruh, Wed 5 Feb 06:48
Trump now proposing ethnic cleansing of Gaza . Apparently wee Benny standing grinning like a Cheshire cat.
That was last week. I posted about it on another thread. He says Gaza is a dump so they should just go to Egypt and let Israel take Gaza. Problem is Egypt don`t want Palestinians and have built a wall (Trump must be a fan) to prevent them coming in.
While I have some admiration for Trump`s "just do it" attitude, he is painfully unaware of the impact of what he says. He`s like Sheldon in Big Bang Theory in steroids.
The Palestinians are viewed in the Muslim world as the lowest of the low. That`s why they receive little support from anyone.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 5 Feb 11:50
Time the world viewed the States as an enemy nation.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 5 Feb 12:41
First it was Greenland, then Canada and now Gaza. I presume his supporters love this.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 5 Feb 13:22
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 5 Feb 12:41
First it was Greenland, then Canada and now Gaza. I presume his supporters love this.
Hopefully, England next Eck 😉 😉
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 5 Feb 14:16
Y`all Qaeda teaming up with the Zionazis... who`d have thunk?
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Topic Originator: Par Dan
Date: Thu 6 Feb 03:01
You’d nuke the lot of them just do be fine with it all. Boring .
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 9 Feb 10:07
Hamas released three Israeli hostages yesterday but not before interviewing them first. One of the hostages expressed his happiness at his impending release and how he was looking forward to seeing his wife and daughters again. The poor chap didn`t know that Hamas had murdered them in October 2023.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 18 Feb 22:38
A horrific account of the barbaric behaviour of the IDF has emerged. Reported by Israeli investigative journalists and corroborated by Israeli soldiers.
In the Zeitoun neighbourhood of Gaza City in May of last year, the IDF forced an 80-year-old Palestinian man to wear an explosive cord around his neck and walk ahead of them with his cane for 8 hours to search for booby traps in houses in Gaza. The elderly man and his wife told the IDF they were unable to evacuate for Khan Younis in the south because they couldn’t walk that far, but this didn’t stop the IDF thugs from using him as a human shield.
After his ordeal, the IDF ordered the man and his wife to walk towards the “humanitarian zone” in southern Gaza. After just 100 metres, another IDF battalion shot and killed them both, leaving their bodies in the street.
Inhuman Animals. Never reported by our media of course. No doubt there have been countless other acts of barbarity committed by the IDF. Those responsible for this should be on trial in The Hague….fat chance..After all they have the right of “ Self Defence”.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 2 Mar 09:42
Meanwhile…….
Israel has blocked all aid into Gaza again, demanding Hamas agree to their ceasefire rules for the 2nd part as the first ran out yesterday. What a despicable nation.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 2 Mar 13:15
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 2 Mar 09:42
Meanwhile…….
Israel has blocked all aid into Gaza again, demanding Hamas agree to their ceasefire rules for the 2nd part as the first ran out yesterday. What a despicable nation.
There were meant to be talks on the terms of the second phase. That were meant to start on day 16 of the first ceasefire.
Since this has not happened Israel proposed an extension of the ceasefire until after Ramadan and Passover if half the remaining hostages were release, (24 thought to remain alive 39 dead)
Again with a release of number of Palestinian prisoners to be discussed. Hamas have point blank refused to even discuss this.
I don`t think what Israel proposed was unreasonable. Stopping all goods going into Gaza is shocking however, hopefully it`s only a short term measure to focus the minds of Hamas on getting an extension of the ceasefire.
As it stands with the first phase over and no talks on terms of second both sides would be within their rights to start fighting again.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 2 Mar 14:02
Israel will find an excuse, any excuse to begin their killing again……I would not call it fighting and it certainly ain’t a war, just a slaughter of mainly innocent people.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sun 2 Mar 16:33
Quote:
desparado, Sun 2 Mar 14:02
Israel will find an excuse, any excuse to begin their killing again……I would not call it fighting and it certainly ain’t a war, just a slaughter of mainly innocent people.
So why are Israel trying to extend the ceasefire and Hamas refusing to even discuss it?
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