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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 26 Apr 18:40
This was announced the other day with barely a murmur :-
`A UK deposit return scheme for recycling drinks bottles has been delayed to 2027, meaning it will not be in place until almost a decade after it was proposed. Campaigners say the delay is a “huge disappointment”, adding they are doubly dismayed that the plan will not include glass bottles.
The environment minister Robbie Moore told parliament on Wednesday that the scheme would not include glass because glass recycling would “create undue complexity for the drinks industry and it increases storage and handling costs for retailers”. Large drinks companies have been lobbying the government to remove glass from the scheme across the UK.
He said the delay was because additional time was needed to synchronise the policy of the devolved administrations in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales with that in England. Scotland has agreed to remove glass from its scheme after being asked to by the UK government, but Wales is still including it.`
They were quick enough to veto the proposed Scottish scheme but show no urgency about a UK-wide scheme.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 26 Apr 21:46
The veto of the Scottish scheme was an utter embarrassment. The UK is run by complete morons. How anyone can ever vote Tory is beyond me. They`re absolute fannies.
No doubt they`re spinning up some waste firms in their in-laws names to get the recycling handling contracts.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 27 Apr 08:01
I wonder if the UK scheme is also set up like the Scottish one where it only works if enough people don`t return their containers?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 27 Apr 11:13
Did they try to estimate the required capacity so as to not overspent on provision?
I hope so.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 28 May 23:35
Ireland with millions deposited, pity Scotland didn`t have the same facilities.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 29 May 06:20
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Tue 28 May 23:35
Ireland with millions deposited, pity Scotland didn`t have the same facilities.
Ireland 🇮🇪 is an independent country where Scotland is a region within the UK 🇬🇧 with guidelines to follow.
Vote SNP and they`ll deliver the benefits that Ireland 🇮🇪 enjoys.
Post Edited (Wed 29 May 06:38)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 29 May 07:49
Independent Ireland went bust and UK helped to bail them out.
They are a region in the EU with guidelines to follow....
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 31 May 01:13
Quote:
Parboiled, Wed 29 May 07:49
Independent Ireland went bust and UK helped to bail them out.
They are a region in the EU with guidelines to follow....
Those guidelines keep the likes of the tories crippling the country
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 18 Jun 18:56
Maybe they should sue the UK government. It was they who stopped the scheme.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 18 Jun 19:38
Maybe if we were independent it wouldn`t have happened.
Vote SNP for independence
Er... maybe not
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 18 Jun 19:54
We`re still waiting for you to tell us how to achieve independence. What`s the problem if it`s so easy?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 18 Jun 21:32
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 18 Jun 19:54
We`re still waiting for you to tell us how to achieve independence. What`s the problem if it`s so easy?
I can not recall promising to tell you the route to Independence I don`t know it, but over the last 9 years the political pygmies have repeatedly told you they would deliver it, obviously duping the gullible who`ve repeatedly voted them back into power.
I believe wee Nic went as far as promising us a referendum on 18th September last year. Well how did that turn out.
What actually have these elected reptiles been doing with their time over their period in both parliaments.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/s9XbBofiWysbJ4Ns/
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/BaGEQLSCLwkncbwm/
Post Edited (Tue 18 Jun 21:35)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 18 Jun 22:37
Well at least they`re still representing the party the people who voted them in thought they represented. What have your pals in Alba achieved?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 19 Jun 05:44
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 18 Jun 22:37
Well at least they`re still representing the party the people who voted them in thought they represented. What have your pals in Alba achieved?
Alba are an alternative to the Sham National Party, unfortunately they`ve not been radical enough since formed to make any impact...
The SNP since the Sturgeon years are just a shadow of their former self`s.
Go ask yourself how a Unionist party which was chased out of Scotland 9 years ago with just one MP, now looks like they are going to possibly gain a further 30+ MPs .
Where`s it all gone wrong Eck ,what happened ?
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/ZY5K4oPDnNRQ1hpg/
Post Edited (Wed 19 Jun 06:01)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 19 Jun 06:05
Politics tends to go like that. Fortunes ebb and flow. If things aren`t going well voters give the Opposition parties a chance just because they`re different not because they`re convinced they`ll do any better. Not everyone`s as bitter as you obviously are and they can be won over again.
But carry on with your childish insults and name-calling if that`s your thing.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 19 Jun 06:46
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 19 Jun 06:05
Politics tends to go like that. Fortunes ebb and flow. If things aren`t going well voters give the Opposition parties a chance just because they`re different not because they`re convinced they`ll do any better. Not everyone`s as bitter as you obviously are and they can be won over again.
But carry on with your childish insults and name-calling if that`s your thing.
Some boy Eck, you throw in a cheeky wee comment then when you get one back you go off on one.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 19 Jun 06:55
As with a lot of your posts, Tenruh, I haven`t a clue what you`re on about.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 19 Jun 07:45
Hang on, so you`re telling me people vote differently over time? When did this happen? Next you`ll be telling me it`s enabled by having a regular cadence of elections?! YOU WHAT?!
Stick to the community council Tenruh 😂
Note the media have got hold of comments from the Labour candidate for Aberdeen from many years ago and he`s now suspended. Weird how the press manage to report these things but never follow up on multimillion pound scandals. It`s almost as if...no, they couldn`t be...
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 19 Jun 09:27
Waste disposal company to sue for £200m compensation for collapse of scheme. More to follow ..just another botch up to run away from
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 19 Jun 09:37
Quote:
jake89, Wed 19 Jun 07:45
Hang on, so you`re telling me people vote differently over time? When did this happen? Next you`ll be telling me it`s enabled by having a regular cadence of elections?! YOU WHAT?!
Stick to the community council Tenruh 😂
Note the media have got hold of comments from the Labour candidate for Aberdeen from many years ago and he`s now suspended. Weird how the press manage to report these things but never follow up on multimillion pound scandals. It`s almost as if...no, they couldn`t be...
Always wanted to be the CC chief executive
😉 😉
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 19 Jun 12:17
Quote:
Tenruh, Wed 19 Jun 05:44
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 18 Jun 22:37
Well at least they`re still representing the party the people who voted them in thought they represented. What have your pals in Alba achieved?
Alba are an alternative to the Sham National Party, unfortunately they`ve not been radical enough since formed to make any impact...
The SNP since the Sturgeon years are just a shadow of their former self`s.
Go ask yourself how a Unionist party which was chased out of Scotland 9 years ago with just one MP, now looks like they are going to possibly gain a further 30+ MPs .
Where`s it all gone wrong Eck ,what happened ?
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/ZY5K4oPDnNRQ1hpg/
30+ MP`S, trifle optimistic!🤔🤣
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 19 Jun 12:30
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Wed 19 Jun 12:17
Quote:
Tenruh, Wed 19 Jun 05:44
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 18 Jun 22:37
Well at least they`re still representing the party the people who voted them in thought they represented. What have your pals in Alba achieved?
Alba are an alternative to the Sham National Party, unfortunately they`ve not been radical enough since formed to make any impact...
The SNP since the Sturgeon years are just a shadow of their former self`s.
Go ask yourself how a Unionist party which was chased out of Scotland 9 years ago with just one MP, now looks like they are going to possibly gain a further 30+ MPs .
Where`s it all gone wrong Eck ,what happened ?
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/ZY5K4oPDnNRQ1hpg/
30+ MP`S, trifle optimistic!🤔🤣
OK I`ll go with 22 SNP & 35 Unionist.
What are you thinking?
Post Edited (Wed 19 Jun 12:31)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 19 Jun 13:45
SNP defend delay in Scotgov response to the Cass report because of the election…
Holyrood isnae having an election
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 19 Jun 16:30
Still applies to Scottish civil servants though. They can`t do anything perceived to be party political during a pre-election period.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 20 Jun 16:38
Just back from Germany - how they can run an easy and well used scheme and we cant is just mental to me. Even helps the homeless out too!
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 20 Jun 20:47
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Jun 16:38
Just back from Germany - how they can run an easy and well used scheme and we cant is just mental to me. Even helps the homeless out too!
The system is very efficient in Germany.
Nothing goes to waste.
Even football games where fans are travelling to games with bottles and cans.
As you alluded to, down and outs would be at the train stations with huge bags or trolleys to collect their goods to exchange at the supermarkets for a decent return.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 20 Jun 22:17
They`ve had it in Canada for years. The bins even have little cup holders so you can put bottles/cans on the outside for homeless people to take without raking in the bins. I`d wish society offered support so this wouldn`t be required but at least it gives them a small amount of dignity.
Ridiculous that we`ve got all these DRS sites sitting unused because Westminster are so useless.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 21 Jun 10:35
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 20 Jun 20:47
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 20 Jun 16:38
Just back from Germany - how they can run an easy and well used scheme and we cant is just mental to me. Even helps the homeless out too!
The system is very efficient in Germany.
Nothing goes to waste.
Even football games where fans are travelling to games with bottles and cans.
As you alluded to, down and outs would be at the train stations with huge bags or trolleys to collect their goods to exchange at the supermarkets for a decent return.
Yup, the homeless were kicking about with all sorts to collect them. Very friendly as well, would actually ask if you were finished with a can etc and take it from you if so, and if you said no they would nod and move on. A lot of us were just leaving things beside the bins to make their life easier.
The way their streets are cleaned in early mornings is incredible as well - Dusseldorf looked like a war zone the first night the English were there (not trouble wise), came into the city the next morning and was completely cleared.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 28 Jan 10:14
Well guess what countries are launching a DRS scheme, including glass?🤔🤬🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 28 Jan 16:18
Company given permission to sue the Scottish Government for its failure!🤔
As someone said "All roads lead to Westminster "👍
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 28 Jan 16:25
It was the uk government who put the stop to it. First they agreed, then sgov tells businesses it’s got the go ahead, then the uk government changes the terms to exclude glass.
Surely businesses should sue the uk government?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 28 Jan 16:34
The scheme was a shambles. It only worked if, and I kid you not, enough people didn`t return their containers.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 28 Jan 17:48
We had this scheme back in the 50`s you got money back for every bottle returned to the shop I think it was a penny a bottle .. so us guys would scour the town to find as many empty discarded ginger/juice/lemonade bottles we could find .. thruppence got you a lot of sweeties back then
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 28 Jan 18:34
I don`t understand why the Westminster scheme doesn`t include glass. What`s the logic behind that?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 28 Jan 19:36
I would sooner have DRS for glass than plastic. If also want to increase tax on use of plastic bottles to encourage more sustainable packaging.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 29 Jan 00:10
Yip, makes sense to exclude glass from the scheme if you want to discourage the use of plastic since it is basically a tax because even though it is easy to claim it back it is often not the person who pays who claims it back.
So not only are you discouraging folk from consuming products that harm everyone, but you are also encouraging them to collect up the harmful stuff to make it much easier to properly deal with it.
To me it makes no sense to undermine such a good result for everyone, but apparently the people who choose to be in politics are a special breed of sociopath.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 29 Jan 12:28
Wotsit, so is the UK scheme excluding glass then?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 29 Jan 16:34
I have no idea TOWK, I was just making a general point about why glass might be excluded from such schemes.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 29 Jan 16:41
I had always thought it was something to do with the logistics of the glass containers being recycled but your reasoning makes absolute sense.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 17:45
From what I`ve read the UK scheme doesn`t include glass. Does that mean there will be no facilities for recycling glass? If so, isn`t that a bad thing?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 29 Jan 18:44
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 29 Jan 17:45
From what I`ve read the UK scheme doesn`t include glass. Does that mean there will be no facilities for recycling glass? If so, isn`t that a bad thing?
There are already facilities to recycle glass. They`re located in big supermarket car parks or near community centres usually.
Glass would presumably need recycled, which isn`t as environmentally friendly as the old approach taken by Barr to wash and reuse.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 18:59
We have receptacles in our street to recycle glass, plastic/cardboard/paper, as well as bins for landfill so why the need to have a DRS for plastic but not glass? Will plastic no longer be collected after the DRS comes in? I find the whole situation quite confusing.
Post Edited (Wed 29 Jan 19:45)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 29 Jan 19:10
Jings wee eck that sounds like a deprived area :-o))
Only kiddin as ye ken
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 19:48
Mainly flats, Bpp, so we don`t have individual bins except ground floor flats with gardens which have bins for garden waste.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 29 Jan 20:07
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 29 Jan 18:59
We have receptacles in our street to recycle glass, plastic/cardboard/paper, as well as bins for landfill so why the need to have a DRS for plastic but not glass? Will plastic no longer be collected after the DRS comes in? I find the whole situation quite confusing.
Because DRS only applies to bottles as far as I`m aware. I don`t think it applies to plastic food dishes, clothes hangers etc.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 30 Jan 17:15
Im pretty sure the German model only covered bottles and cans as well. Whenever you tried to give the lads glass they politely declined.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 31 Jan 05:19
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 30 Jan 17:15
Im pretty sure the German model only covered bottles and cans as well. Whenever you tried to give the lads glass they politely declined.
Glass bottles are accepted in Germany.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 31 Jan 05:33
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Fri 31 Jan 05:19
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 30 Jan 17:15
Im pretty sure the German model only covered bottles and cans as well. Whenever you tried to give the lads glass they politely declined.
Glass bottles are accepted in Germany.
Strange that the folks taking them wouldn’t take glass then :/
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 31 Jan 10:29
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 31 Jan 05:33
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Fri 31 Jan 05:19
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 30 Jan 17:15
Im pretty sure the German model only covered bottles and cans as well. Whenever you tried to give the lads glass they politely declined.
Glass bottles are accepted in Germany.
Strange that the folks taking them wouldn’t take glass then :/
This’ll be at the tills where they only take the plastics but the shop would have had a separate place for the glass bottles.
Often a dispenser machine or in other cases a member of staff would take them, count them and give you a receipt for the till.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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