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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 27 Feb 18:55
....as far as more US strikes against Iran goes. Embassies are being evacuated which is usually the sign that action is imminent. Or course it could still all be part of the high stakes poker game being played out but the massive armada assembled will be burning through millions of dollars daily so if it is it can`t be played forever. A bluff will have to be called or a hand folded. I would imagine the Iranian regime won`t fall easily but as we have seen in the past sometimes such authoritarian dictatorships collapse suddenly once pressure is applied. Of course the aftermath will be when the real chaos could begin and who knows where that will leave the region.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 27 Feb 20:58
The Zionist Genocidal maniacs will decide if and when America attacks Iran.
“ Who knows where that will leave the region “. Worse obviously…
Post Edited (Fri 27 Feb 20:59)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 28 Feb 05:13
From what I’ve been following here in Oz, the situation looks more complicated than some headlines suggest. Peace talks are scheduled to continue on Monday, but will Netanyahu keep his hand off the trigger until then?
Even limited strikes carry escalation risks, especially if regional actors (like the Houthis in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iraq) become directly involved.
It is reported that US military commanders have been expressing grave concerns to Trump. They acknowledge that America’s bases in the region are vulnerable and question whether they can sustain a high-intensity war for any length of time.
One issue that doesn’t get enough attention is logistics. As we have seen in Ukraine, modern warfare consumes munitions at an extraordinary rate, and there have been ongoing discussions among defence analysts about the strain on stockpiles and production capacity after years of sustained commitments elsewhere.
If operations expand, sustainability becomes just as important as initial capability. If the war extends beyond a fortnight, say, will we see ships having to withdraw from the conflict to recharge their weaponry?
And how would this all impact the defence of Ukraine or Taiwan?
Beyond the immediate military dimension, there’s the economic factor. A significant portion of global oil and gas flows through the Strait of Hormuz. Even temporary disruptions, damage to energy infrastructure, or threats to shipping lanes and ports could create ripple effects in energy markets.
We’ve seen in the past how sensitive global markets are to perceived instability in that corridor. Do we want petrol prices to double overnight due to reduced supply? Do we want our food prices to rise as well because of increased transport costs? Of course not.
That’s why the question isn’t only whether a strike on Iran is militarily feasible, but whether our leaders are fully accounting for escalation pathways that could go off in all sorts of ugly directions.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 28 Feb 07:10
Ah, well, Netanyahu has done it. Tehran has been hit.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 28 Feb 07:20
Yes as expected Israel has attacked.
The Israeli defence minister, Israel Katz, said the “pre-emptive strike” was to “remove threats against the State of Israel”.
Surely Iran should be attacking Israel then ?…..Pre-emptively.
I thought the Donald confirmed last year that all
of Irans nuclear facilities were completely destroyed ?
I hope Iran pummels Tel Aviv…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 28 Feb 07:20
"Pre-emptive" they say.
Did they just want to get in before the Americans?
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Sat 28 Feb 07:57
Looks like it was a coordinated attack (preemptive, of course) between Israel and USA.
Trump has just confirmed American involvement
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 28 Feb 07:58
Israel made the first strike so the US can say they got involved to support an ally.
Apparently Iran earlier took out a US surveillance drone valued at $230 billion. The most complicated piece of equipment available.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 28 Feb 08:18
Hurry! Get your petrol today, folks.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 28 Feb 09:34
Qatar, Emirates, Bahrain, Jordan and Kuwait all hit, according to Al Jazeera. Israel is now under attack. Al Jazeera is on the spot, providing very good, very brave reporting.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 28 Feb 11:21
Well theres a surprise 🙄🙄 honestly can someone not just take out Trump and Benji?
Mind that Peace Prize “Johnny” gave him? Might want to rethink that one Mr Infantino…..
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Sat 28 Feb 11:32
Will Trump now block Iran from playing in the WC?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 28 Feb 15:10
So Pearl Harbour will henceforth be referred to as a "preventative" strike?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 28 Feb 15:26
UK and EU leaders have come out saying that Iran must stop its retaliation strikes……after the Us and Israel bomb a girls school killing 53 people……honestly you couldn’t write this.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 28 Feb 21:20
Sounds like the Ayatollah is dead…yet another world leader taken out by the most peaceful president on the planet…
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 28 Feb 22:11
Reports of crowds celebrating his death within Iran. I`d imagine, if true, then that could be significant as it suggests the security apparatus is crumbling or has seen the way the wind now blowing and are wanting to be on the right side of it. This could be over , thankfully, a lot sooner than was first thought.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 28 Feb 23:11
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 28 Feb 22:11
Reports of crowds celebrating his death within Iran. I`d imagine, if true, then that could be significant as it suggests the security apparatus is crumbling or has seen the way the wind now blowing and are wanting to be on the right side of it. This could be over , thankfully, a lot sooner than was first thought.
Who knows?
I`m as opposed to the Iranian regime as I am to the Israeli regime as I am to the American regime as I was to the old Syrian regime.
May you live in interesting times.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 28 Feb 23:20
Make Persia Great Again.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 1 Mar 00:31
If they have managed to get Khamenei, then that`s great news. The question now is how the IRGC will react...in reality, they have very little hope of doing anything significant against the US or Israel and it seems now that they`ve aggravated a bunch of their neighbors with the missile strikes. That won`t stop zealots taking it out on civilians though. Hopefully we`ll see a return to a secular and Democratic Iran.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 1 Mar 05:25
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Sun 1 Mar 00:31
If they have managed to get Khamenei, then that`s great news. The question now is how the IRGC will react...in reality, they have very little hope of doing anything significant against the US or Israel and it seems now that they`ve aggravated a bunch of their neighbors with the missile strikes. That won`t stop zealots taking it out on civilians though. Hopefully we`ll see a return to a secular and Democratic Iran.
Confirmed by Iranian State TV he has been killed and rumours the head of the Revolutionary Guards has also been killed.
Iran will now descend into civil war I think.
Post Edited (Sun 01 Mar 05:26)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 1 Mar 10:03
Iranian pals from Sweden seem to be very hopeful that this is a new dawn, so hopefully it works out for them. According to them it`s mostly the ultra-religious that support the regime and they amount to about 15% of the population.
On your point though Dave, I do wonder about the reaction of the Kurds, Azeris and the Lurs. Azeris and Lurs are generally fairly integrated and not separatist minded from what I understand but the Kurds have a long record of desiring their own home state, which they really should have tbh...not sure if this could precipitate a joint effort with Iraqi Kurdistan but you never know...
At this point we just need to wait and see, but hopefully the Iranian people can get their country back from the theocratic nut jobs, but you can bet they`re far more "religious" in public than they are in private!
On a side note, another major blow to Putin as it`s another ally gone and a big blow to their Shahid drone supply!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 1 Mar 10:14
Reports now say it’s unlikely that Iran will play in the World Cup in the summer.
How can that be when Trump is the beacon of peace?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 1 Mar 11:57
While we’re on football, maybe after all this Iranian women will be allowed to attend a men’s football match???
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 1 Mar 15:44
A man of peace and his pal Ben bombing kids again and some folk are chuffed.
Stay classy, humanity.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 1 Mar 16:06
Is Trump hoping to get the Nobel Peace Prize for his part in this?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 1 Mar 17:25
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 1 Mar 16:06
Is Trump hoping to get the Nobel Peace Prize for his part in this?
No, hoping to deflect from his hearing at the Epstein enquiry this week!
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 1 Mar 19:11
Ex-president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad also confirmed to have been killed.
3 US Armed Service personnel also confirmed killed.
Seems that the US strikes are focusing on taking out key figures in the regime while the Israeli ones are focused on degrading the military production and capabilities.
Iran will do some damage to the US assets and Israel but really not clear what the endgame is yet tbh...
Edit: Have to agree LA, I do wonder how much of this is a distraction and I do also think that Trump has that dream of leaving a legacy and that's what he's doing with Iran and Venezuela (and I guess, indirectly, Cuba)
Post Edited (Sun 01 Mar 19:14)
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Sun 1 Mar 21:21
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 1 Mar 17:25
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 1 Mar 16:06
Is Trump hoping to get the Nobel Peace Prize for his part in this?
No, hoping to deflect from his hearing at the Epstein enquiry this week!
Is he due to appear the hearing? I didn`t think anything was arranged as yet?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sun 1 Mar 23:12
Quote:
Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 1 Mar 10:14
Reports now say it’s unlikely that Iran will play in the World Cup in the summer.
How can that be when Trump is the beacon of peace?
You think peace in our time is Iran playing in the World Cup?
The Americans are set on eliminating the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world, the Iran regime have killed 10 of thousands of their own people and they now have to go and win their freedom.
I doubt the people of Iran are really bothered about a football tournament.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 2 Mar 00:09
This is going to cost Trump and America dearly.
The 27 nations of the European Union and a bloc of 12 Indo-Pacific countries have begun negotiations to form a huge economic alliance.
The talks are being led by Canada, whose PM Mark Carney seeks an alliance of "middle powers" to undermine Trump`s tariffs and make them immune to his coercion.
He arrives in Canberra today for talks with the Australian PM. He is also scheduled to visit India and Japan.
The US is now, thanks to Trump, a completely unreliable trade and security partner. America is fast running out of friends.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 2 Mar 02:27
Do yourselves a favour and get away from the mainstream media. Give this a listen.
We all know George Galloway has a mixed history, but he doesn`t beat about the bush. And like it or not, he often speaks the truth where others distort it. Do you remember his appearance in the US Senate a few years ago? One of the greatest public speeches ever televised.
Here`s his latest show. Give it a listen, and you probably will learn something new...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrEOo5_AX44&t=3748s
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 2 Mar 03:00
Quote:
Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 2 Mar 02:27
Do yourselves a favour and get away from the mainstream media. Give this a listen.
Well at least it`s not you pimping Colbert again.
But still no.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 2 Mar 03:40
Colbert? Doubt it. I reckon the last time I watched him was during the Covid thingy.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 2 Mar 05:05
Cheer up Oz, even I know Colbert is not as bad as Olbermann, do you still watch Keith?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 2 Mar 06:22
Yup, that Colbert clip was 5 years ago. Memories, eh?
:)
Keith Olbermann? I enjoyed him when he was having a go at Trump. He was pretty entertaining. But he completely lost me when he went off on his pro-zionist trip.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 2 Mar 12:17
Repirts suggesting Netanyahu dead, unlikely but we can hope.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 2 Mar 12:34
Think of all the refugees this will create. Farage will presumably welcome this given his demands that the UK get involved? Maybe house them all in Clacton.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 2 Mar 13:59
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 2 Mar 12:17
Repirts suggesting Netanyahu dead, unlikely but we can hope.
Not a chance that will be true. Irans fairly hit back hard though, which I think may have surprised the US……who are losing fighter jets through friendly fire again…..
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Mon 2 Mar 14:21
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 2 Mar 13:59
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Mon 2 Mar 12:17
Repirts suggesting Netanyahu dead, unlikely but we can hope.
Not a chance that will be true. Irans fairly hit back hard though, which I think may have surprised the US……who are losing fighter jets through friendly fire again…..
You`d think, with all of the millions and billions of dollars of equipment, they`d put some sort of "dinnae shoot me, I`m on your team" beacon into their equipment
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 2 Mar 14:41
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 28 Feb 15:10
So Pearl Harbour will henceforth be referred to as a "preventative" strike?
That’s exactly what it was, however the American carriers were out on exercises and were unscathed - came back to haunt the Japanese 6 months later.
Let’s not get bogged down with events of 80 years ago.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Tue 3 Mar 01:20
Sorry, when did I miss Trump become ruler of the world 🤷♂️
Only reason he is doing this is to deflect from the ongoing scandal.
Sooner Trump is gone the world can get back to normal
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 3 Mar 02:23
Quote:
Topic Originator: brian
Date: Tue 3 Mar 01:20
Sorry, when did I miss Trump become ruler of the world 🤷♂️
First time November 8th 2016, then again November 5th 2024.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Tue 3 Mar 02:29
🤭
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 3 Mar 06:40
Thing is, Vance and Hegseth are arguably worse……at least Donalds behaviour can be put down to his age and that he’s clearly going senile.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 3 Mar 06:56
Israel is the world`s cancer.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 3 Mar 10:05
Trump, Vance, Rubio all coming out with different excuses for their attack on Iran. All of them are baseless.
This is nothing more than another aggressive act by Israel, who just happens to be the USA’s number one customer for their military weapons.
It would be good if Iran could take out Netanyahu and Trump could be taken out by a sniper in USA
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 3 Mar 11:18
Not so.long ago Trump & Co were lambasting Europe for being dependent on the US for their defences and telling them to be responsible for their own affairs. Now they`re bleating because the UK in particular is not fully supporting their attacks on Iran and its allies. I don`t think Trump does irony.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 3 Mar 22:08
Tel Aviv is starting to resemble Gaza. They are taking a hell of a pounding.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 4 Mar 06:46
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 3 Mar 22:08
Tel Aviv is starting to resemble Gaza. They are taking a hell of a pounding.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
It`s fantastic to see.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 4 Mar 08:59
Some missiles/drones have got through the iron dome but I suspect the videos you have seen showing massive damage in Tel Aviv are AI generated.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 4 Mar 10:24
Honestly, it`s hilarious how some folk like Oz think the IRGC are actually capable of inflicting effective defense against the US or Israel. Mossad have basically infiltrated the inner workings of the Mullah state and the regime only ever had 15-20% public support in the first place...
Aye, destroying a few consulates and killing a few soldiers is really comparable to wiping out the air defense systems and missile production facilities of a country of 80mn people because George Galloway said so....😂
Trump and Netanyahu are absolute Zionazi scum, but the double standards for Zionists and Islamists held by some in this board are really quite incredible.
Let`s just hope for a democratic Iran in the next couple of weeks!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 4 Mar 10:28
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Wed 4 Mar 10:24
Honestly, it`s hilarious how some folk like Oz think the IRGC are actually capable of inflicting effective defense against the US or Israel. Mossad have basically infiltrated the inner workings of the Mullah state and the regime only ever had 15-20% public support in the first place...
Aye, destroying a few consulates and killing a few soldiers is really comparable to wiping out the air defense systems and missile production facilities of a country of 80mn people because George Galloway said so....😂
Trump and Netanyahu are absolute Zionazi scum, but the double standards for Zionists and Islamists held by some in this board are really quite incredible.
Let`s just hope for a democratic Iran in the next couple of weeks!
For rhe record, Islamists and Zionists are scum, in my opinion.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 4 Mar 10:37
HJ, can`t see Iran being a democracy in our lifetime. In fact I wouldn`t be surprised if Iran doesn`t comeout of the maelstrom as one unified nation and if it does it`ll be after a huge amount of blood letting. The oppressed will be out for vengeance and the oppressors will be out to stop that. By all accounts America is arming the Iranian Kurds to make a move to oust the regime.
Post Edited (Wed 04 Mar 10:38)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 4 Mar 14:08
Iran will just become the next Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan and be in turmoil for decades now.
US now sinking their naval vessels with subs and torpedos, whilst Hegseth completely avoiding answering how they killed 150 people in a school on Saturday…….
Anyone that still backs the Israeli/US governments isn’t sewn up right at the back….
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 4 Mar 15:30
Just heard Hegseth press conference, they ain`t messing about.
I`m not in favour of external regime change, Iraq and Libya have been disastrous.
I hope and think the future of Iran is going to be different.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 4 Mar 16:18
Hell of an impact with that ship.....
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 5 Mar 21:33
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Wed 4 Mar 06:46
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 3 Mar 22:08
Tel Aviv is starting to resemble Gaza. They are taking a hell of a pounding.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
It`s fantastic to see.
BBC (and other) journalists appearing live on news from Tel Aviv rooftops - some damage being reported but nothing remotely like Gaza.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 6 Mar 00:17
VEE, Don`t watch the BBC (or other mainstreams for that matter. They will melt your brain. They are totally under the control of the Zionists.
There is a blanket ban on transmitting any pictures that show the extent of damage in Tel Aviv, Haifa, Ashkelon, etc. If you put anything up on YouTube, X, or TikTok, for example, you face five years in jail. That`s why we`re seeing plenty of the damage in Tehran, but next to nothing in Tel Aviv. Camera angles can lie.
The media presents a picture that appears to show an overwhelming victory for US-Israel. This is far from the truth.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 6 Mar 12:44
Oz, I`m confused..... are you saying that this footage exists but can`t be put on social media? If it can`t be, how have you seen it?
And if you have seen it, how can you be sure it isn`t just destruction porn that someone has generated?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 6 Mar 14:18
How would any government enforce 5 years in jail for sharing war photos? They can barely trace John in Middleborough who sells 20,000 illegal Sky streams somehow are they going to find some random in Israel sharing photos on X?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 6 Mar 20:55
Ipswichpar, some brave people are posting footage on X, but it doesn`t last long on there. And Jake, Mossad has tentacles everywhere.
Seriously, watch this programme. This is the truth of what is going on...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEFS75Z6pY
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 7 Mar 00:40
https://dafc.net/forum/read.php?f=37&i=74800&t=74800
Oz eight months ago on the above thread you stated that 30% of Tel Aviv now looked like Gaza. You said it`s financial district had been virtually destroyed. Huge chunks of the city flattened. Two of Israel`s biggest ports out of action. All of which you said hadn`t been reported by the mainstream media. I`m assuming you made those statements in good faith because you had seen it reported by anonymous online sources. Yet surely in the last eight months, someone, somehow would have smuggled out verifiable footage of this destruction. Tel Aviv is a big city, a third of it destroyed can`t be easily hidden. Ports not being in working order would have caused reasonably big shortages seeing as 60% of Israeli imports is seaborne cargo. It was obviously all just nonsense and you had been duped. You were told what you wanted to be true and so you believed it. Just like now.
This military adventurism probably isn`t going to end well yet I wouldn`t discount totally the Iranian regime surviving in one shape or another but who knows. Trump needs this wrapped up quickly but the Iranian regime will be able to hold on unless forces on the ground change the dynamics and surely it`s unthinkable for American troops to be sent in?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 7 Mar 03:19
TOWK, you`re right to call out my June claim that 30% of Tel Aviv`s CBD was destroyed—that was an exaggeration, and I was wrong. Subsequent assessments of the 12-day war put overall infrastructure damage across Israel at around 8%, which is significant but not what I initially stated.
However, that doesn`t mean the impact was negligible. Haifa port sustained major damage to its facilities, oil storage, and power generation plants during last June`s strikes—recovery from that takes time. Eilat port, while closed prior to the 12-day war due to Houthi attacks in the Red Sea, remained out of action throughout. Eilat Port`s owner declared bankruptcy. Both contributed to genuine disruption.
You cite the 60% figure for seaborne imports, and you`re about correct—which is precisely why port disruptions matter. The ongoing dockworker boycotts of Israeli cargo in various ports, from Italy to Sweden, compound this vulnerability. Largely because of this, Israel`s national shipping line, ZIM, was last month sold to Hapag-Lloyd of Germany, incidentally a company associated with the former owners of the Pars.
As for vanishing evidence, I acknowledge your scepticism. But in active conflict zones, footage gets moderated, removed, or simply buried. Absence of evidence months later isn`t proof evidence never existed. A week ago, I could have pointed to a very popular YouTube music video called "Boom, Boom, Tel Aviv" which provided four and a half minutes of footage showing missiles breaking through the so-called Iron Dome and causing massive destruction. It is nowhere to be found now. Mossad is busy rewriting history.
So yes, I overstated the CBD damage. But the broader picture—significant infrastructure hits, port disruptions, and maritime vulnerabilities—wasn`t fabricated. Last June, I mistook scale, but not substance.
In the current conflict, things are not going as planned for Trump and Netanyahu. Just as before, the Iranians have been underestimated. The mainstream media may not yet have got the message, but you can be pretty sure that those who so eagerly started this war are beginning to get very worried.
I hope you watched the Dialogue Works video I posted a link to today. These are knowledgeable and experienced experts who know what they are talking about, not shills funded by the military industrial complex who queue up to appear on mainstream TV and radio.
Now, finally, it didn`t escape my notice when reviewing the thread you pointed me to from last June that you too made a few, let`s be kind and just say, "exaggerated" comments. Indeed, you might want to revisit some of your comments earlier in this thread.
Glass houses and all that…
:)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 7 Mar 08:43
Well I did say earlier in this thread that this could be over sooner than first thought and it looks like I was wrong about that as all the signals suggest the Americans are planning to keep this up for over a month which a few days ago I wouldn`t have thought was necessary. Any mistakes I make though are just matters of my own personal musings and takes on situations. For example when I started this thread a week last Friday night I couldn`t be sure that the operation was about to begin but all the signs were pointing to it being very imminent. I could have been wrong though. However with you Oz, despite you now admitting that your sources last time were clearly lying to you, creating true fake news to suit their own agenda, here we are again with you repeating their lies.
Anyways back to my musings. I note that overnight the Iranian president has said it will be no longer attacking it`s Gulf neighbours unless attacked first by them and apologises for previous strikes. I find that very intriguing as sowing economic chaos would seem to have been the only way to pressure the Americans and give the Iranians a card to play. Obviously something else is going on behind the scenes here. Perhaps China putting pressure on to keep the oil flowing from the Gulf as well as other critical cargo such as helium? Still this is an existential crisis for the regime in Tehran and their backers in Moscow and Beijing have been shown to be fair weather friends.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 7 Mar 11:15
So that is your obtuse way of saying you didn`t do me the courtesy of viewing the link to Dialogue Works I provided this morning?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 7 Mar 11:43
The way you are coming across oz, I`d be surprised if anyone would click on an unsolicited link from you and that is not an attempt to insult you.
Do you think perhaps you, like many of us have been in our lives the victim of propaganda?
Were any of the videos you say get removed from twitter like these ones fake and AI generated?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg8wvz427vo
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 7 Mar 12:01
Hang on a minute. Mossad are everywhere but three guys are happy to show their faces on a stream discussing what`s REALLY going on? 🤔
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 7 Mar 12:29
I try to play things straight, answer as honestly as I can, and, at times, offer an alternative view to the mainstream. When I am wrong, I will more often than not say so.
However, quite often I am right, because I am willing to hear views that may not be popular. with the majority of posters here.
For instance, look at my first post on this thread (28 Feb, 05:13). My view was not the conventional view at that time, but how close is it to what has happened so far? Very close.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sat 7 Mar 14:22
‘They can barely trace John in Middleborough’
‘Middleborough’ doesn’t exist to be fair, so John is going to be rather elusive. 😀
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 7 Mar 15:24
There is a big contradiction there tbh: claiming that Mossad have their tentacles everywhere (which they most certainly do - remember the pager attack) yet gleefully claiming that Mossad and the US can`t topple the regime.
It also seems that most of the folk protesting the US action are not actually connected to Iran. The Iranians I know from my time in Germany have certainly told me they will be glad to see the back of the regime. Curious to see if anything happens with Pahlavi, but reckon he is a bit tarnished by his family legacy after the US and Brits ousted Mossadegh. In any case, the Iranians generally are a lot less religiously brainwashed and can draw a secular line between politics and religion, unlike many of the Arabs. Personally, I think all three of the Abrahamic religions are a scurge and granting them any influence over politics is absolutely foolish but that`s just me.
Anyone who underestimates the military technological superiority of the US though is an absolute fool. Militarily, Iran is an absolute minnow and the only thing propping up the regime are the IRGC and the religious Police, who seem to number about 800k targeting them is where the conflict is going now and the question is how long that will take.
That said, there is an argument for asymmetric warfare and quantity having its own quality which has been learned in Ukraine and is being mooted as a potential issue in the Iran conflict.
Losing both Iran and Venezuela is a big blow to Russia and China though and I would surmise that Trump has been advised of this. The former will potentially have quite a significant effect on the Ukrainian conflict at a point when the Russians are doing particularly badly. Interestingly a number of reports are saying that China could potentially have exerted pressure on Iran over the attacks on the Arab states due to the flow of oil being disrupted as their economy is particularly sluggish at the moment - curious if there is substance to that one!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 9 Mar 14:59
I think the war part of this is going to be over shortly, no more than a few weeks at most.
The peace may need longer.
I think we will see American troops on the ground in Iran, I don`t think they are going to leave it to the Kurds.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 9 Mar 15:53
The war the USA and Israel are waging on Iran may indeed be over soon as according to George Galloway the US are going to drop a tactical Nuclear Weapon ………………
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 9 Mar 16:08
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Mon 9 Mar 14:59
I think the war part of this is going to be over shortly, no more than a few weeks at most.
The peace may need longer.
I think we will see American troops on the ground in Iran, I don`t think they are going to leave it to the Kurds.
Trump send boots in without senate approval and he will be gone quicker than his 4 year term. The American people don’t want another war like Iraq/Afgan.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 9 Mar 16:54
I have read a few analysts thoughts on this, which suggests only a few outcomes, a costly long drawn out bombing campaign like we have seen from both sides until one side runs out of munitions and they have to come to a surrender agreement; the US decide to get boots on the ground in Iran, which would take years and probably not achieve much until US lose interest OR the US and Israel take the nuclear option. With mad men like Trump and Netenyahu in charge that could happen.They need stopped
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 9 Mar 19:00
Hasn`t anyone watched War Games? Strange game.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 9 Mar 20:17
The rhetoric coming from Trump tonight is making me start to think he is going to drop a couple of nukes on Tehran and other major cities…..
On Iranian missiles: "They`ve shot everything they have to shoot, and they better not try anything cute or it`s going to be the end of that country... If they do anything bad, that would [be] the end of Iran and you`d never hear the name again."
On the Strait of Hormuz: US is "thinking about taking it over" and could do "a lot
On original timeline for operation: "We`re very far ahead of schedule... I don`t know, it depends. Wrapping up is all in my mind, nobody else`s.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 9 Mar 21:58
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 9 Mar 20:17
The rhetoric coming from Trump tonight is making me start to think he is going to drop a couple of nukes on Tehran and other major cities…..
On Iranian missiles: "They`ve shot everything they have to shoot, and they better not try anything cute or it`s going to be the end of that country... If they do anything bad, that would [be] the end of Iran and you`d never hear the name again."
On the Strait of Hormuz: US is "thinking about taking it over" and could do "a lot
On original timeline for operation: "We`re very far ahead of schedule... I don`t know, it depends. Wrapping up is all in my mind, nobody else`s.
He does a lot of "thinking" and gesturing but he`s a senile old man who just blethers. How are Americans not embarrassed by this idiot? How many more years has the idiot got left now?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 9 Mar 22:44
Someone needs to just put some lead between his eyes soon, and finish him. He`s an absolute lunatic
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 10 Mar 06:02
Several key figures who are responsible for the horrors of Gaza and the current bloodbath in the Middle East have experienced some severe repercussions...
The unspeakably evil Ben-Gvir is said to be seriously injured/dead, his house destroyed by an Iranian missile, but the BBC, as reliable as ever, says it was minor injuries in a "car crash". Time will tell.
The equally evil Smotrich has lost his son after he succumbed to injuries from a Hezbollah attack in South Lebanon.
There are reports that Mossad head David Brnea has been killed in an attack, but this is not confirmed.
Additionally, there are multiple reports that Netanyahu`s brother, Iddo, has died in an Iranian missile attack.
How long before Netanyahu himself suffers the consequences of his evil deeds?
And, for that matter, Trump?
Post Edited (Tue 10 Mar 06:09)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 10 Mar 07:25
Israel needs wiped, they are the real evil in this world.
The filth they must have on politicians who pander and faen over them, all dissent of their terrorist actions labelled antisemetic, horrible nation of rentitled zealots.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Tue 10 Mar 12:36
Weird how much you get off on these things. I think everyone else here just wants peace. Have a word with yourself.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Tue 10 Mar 18:58
Erm...even the Times of Israel are Reporting the strikes in Tel Aviv and showing pictures...not sure where the big cover up is supposed to be! 😂
Click here
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 10 Mar 20:32
Rumours that Satanyahu is dead or seriously injured. Hope so…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 11 Mar 04:38
Aaron Labonte, of course, we all want peace, but right now, that is just woke fantasy. It may make you feel better to say it, but the reality is, we are steadily progressing towards a world war, largely thanks to Israel and the lunatics currently running the USA.
To ignore what is going on is to meekly accept our fate. The overriding concern for everyone should be that we are being kept in the dark on so much of what is going on, and that is dangerous. We must fight that at every turn.
We are on the verge of a global recession the likes of which we have never seen before, thanks to that clown in the White House.
"Weird" or not, I will continue to comment on these matters.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 11 Mar 06:38
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 10 Mar 08:54
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HDCG8PhWMAAvuB1?format=jpg&name=large
Is this AI? Sorry fellas, this is real. Might not be in your mainstream media, but there are plenty more pictures appearing online now. Tel Aviv - and much of urban Israel is starting to resemble Gaza.
Iran is going to win this.
Hi Oz, out of interest how can you be sure that this isn`t AI generated? The lighting doesn`t look quite right to me.... the mix of sun falling on some parts of some of the buildings but not on others doesn`t feel quite right to me.
That being said, after the last few months I am a bit out of practice with identifying the light from the sun!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 11 Mar 22:56
Quote:
Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 10 Mar 08:54
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HDCG8PhWMAAvuB1?format=jpg&name=large
Is this AI? Sorry fellas, this is real. Might not be in your mainstream media, but there are plenty more pictures appearing online now. Tel Aviv - and much of urban Israel is starting to resemble Gaza.
Well google says it`s highly likely to be fake and has been circulated as far back as 2023 as an image of Gaza City,
While visual search results confirm that this image has been widely circulated as a photograph of Gaza City (specifically regions like Jabalia) following 2023–2025 airstrikes, it is highly likely that this specific version is AI-generated or heavily digitally manipulated.
Fact-checkers and forensic experts have identified several "red flags" in similar viral imagery from this conflict.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 12 Mar 06:42
Seen the image and in all honesty there`s no way the Iranians could possibly get through the iron dome and cause that destruction to Tel Aviv.....By all counts the war looks like its going to come to conclusion very soon says peadoTrump .
Who believes him though?
P.S. keep up the good work Oz always interesting posts and they always attract debate 👍
Post Edited (Thu 12 Mar 06:43)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 13 Mar 06:43
Okay, folks, here`s a grown-up assessment of what is really going on. Eventually, the pictures of the destruction in Tel Aviv will become widely available. Israel`s hold over the media will eventually be let go. It is only a matter of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHvIoGA-60
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Fri 13 Mar 07:13
Oz out of genuine interest, what would be your recommended couple of go-to websites for news sources? Not YouTube, actual websites
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Fri 13 Mar 20:34
Quote:
BouncyPar, Fri 13 Mar 07:13
Oz out of genuine interest, what would be your recommended couple of go-to websites for news sources? Not YouTube, actual websites
Do you want legit 100% accurate websites or tinfoil hat websites? If it’s the latter then you are **** out of luck as he has none
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 14 Mar 00:39
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Fri 13 Mar 20:34
Quote:
BouncyPar, Fri 13 Mar 07:13
Oz out of genuine interest, what would be your recommended couple of go-to websites for news sources? Not YouTube, actual websites
Do you want legit 100% accurate websites or tinfoil hat websites? If it’s the latter then you are **** out of luck as he has none
The latter? Who would want the latter?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 14 Mar 03:17
Hi BouncyPar,
Here are three websites that I find reliable and helpful.
Awrabest,
Oz
solar21.com
judgenap.com
thegrayzone.com
Post Edited (Sat 14 Mar 03:28)
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Sat 14 Mar 05:12
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 14 Mar 03:17
Hi BouncyPar,
Here are three websites that I find reliable and helpful.
Awrabest,
Oz
solar21.com
judgenap.com
thegrayzone.com
Much appreciated, I`ll have a look
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 14 Mar 07:13
Solar21.com appears to be non-existent. Solar21.ie appears to be an Irish firm involved in renewable energy.
JudgeNap is run by a guy called Andrew Neopolitano who is a former Fox News correspondent and Libertarian commentator who was dismissed in 2021 following allegations of sexual misconduct. How bad must this guy be if Fox, MAGA and the Republicans don`t cover it up? 😂
The Grayzone is a far-left US blog that is known for its criticism of US foreign policy but has more recently been scrutinized for its links to the Kremlin and parroting their propaganda. Ben Norton, Max Blumenthal and Andrew Mate are very dubious individuals to put it even mildly. Blumenthal is apparently married a woman that was quite high up in the Kremlin propaganda apparatus. Seem to also be significant questions surrounding the sources of their funding...
Honestly, Oz, this is just laughable...but aye it`s everybody else who is "having their brains cooked by the mainstream media outlets!" 🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 14 Mar 08:13
So Trump has proceeded to bomb Iran, in turn having missiles launched at all Arab nations stopping oil production, to then relax the sanctions on Russian oil to help alleviate the fuel prices…….aye nothing dodgey going on here between Trump and Putin right enough…….Zelensky was right all along!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 14 Mar 09:27
So either Netanyahu has six fingers or Israel are using AI, the rat pretending to be there with his people, the man is a cancer.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 14 Mar 17:41
Sorry, BouncyPar, that first website is sonar21, not solar21. It is a very good site.
As for Hurricane Jimmy`s predictably negative comments, as usual, they are nonsense. It is the middle of the night here in Oz, and I must get back to bed, so I will leave my response to him for later in the day.
I am filled with the warm glow that comes from four Pars wins on the trot, so now is not the time to respond to our resident jackal. Being attacked by HJ is like being flogged by a warm lettuce - he is all tip and no iceberg.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 15 Mar 01:41
Cool story Oz, but anyone who researches your sources will find the same as I did. If what I have stated is factually incorrect, then rebuke it.
Honestly, it`s quite funny how far down the conspiracy rabbit hole you`ve gone...lizard people will be next!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 15 Mar 08:34
Rumours again that Netanyahu is dead or badly injured after that disastrous six fingered AI video.
Fingers crossed.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 15 Mar 09:03
Netanyahu certainly did a job on the judge conducting his corruption case!
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 15 Mar 11:40
Certainly wouldn`t be a bad thing if Bibi was a casualty of all this!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 15 Mar 12:32
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Sun 15 Mar 11:40
Certainly wouldn`t be a bad thing if Bibi was a casualty of all this!
It`s gaining traction but given Netanyahu`s cowardice, i`d expect hom to have run away, again.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 15 Mar 19:40
From Aunty :-
If correct probably the most honest statement in this huge Clusterfuck
Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi says that Tehran has "never asked for a ceasefire, we have never asked even for negotiation".
This follows earlier comments from Donald Trump that Iran wanted a deal, but he was unwilling to agree to one "because the terms are not good enough yet".
"We don`t see any reason why we should talk with Americans, because we were talking with them when they decided to attack us," he tells CBS News` Face the Nation programme.
"This is a war of choice by President Trump and the United States, and we are going to continue our self defence."
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 15 Mar 22:38
Yes, Iran would be crazy to enter into discussions with Trump regarding a peace deal, he already proved he isn`t to be trusted. I get the impression Trump realises what a mistake he has made here and wants out of this now
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 15 Mar 23:40
Not so sure about that RSP.
Dictatorships will always say that which prevents them from losing face. I mean, you just need to look at Putins "10 day Special Military Operation" in Ukraine.
Iranian pals are telling me that the domestic situation is pretty dire and that the regular police and military have basically given up but people are not leaving their homes because the religious Police are controlling the streets.
What is being mooted now is the US taking control of Kharg island, which would have serious future implications for the current regime as they would have to stop pumping the oil wells when storage capacity was reached, which would strangle the income but it would also basically end the usability of said wells. Think this is a likely outcome tbh, but time will tell...
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 16 Mar 09:29
Another poorly done AI video of Netanyahu debunking rumours of his death.
Something up, could the evil genocidal maniac actually be dead?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 16 Mar 15:30
Ben Gurion airport has been severely damaged by 12 Iranian ballistic missiles all of which got past 3 batteries of Iron dome interceptors.
Over 30 planes, Main runway , terminal 3 and fuel depots destroyed or severely damaged.
Israel won’t be bringing too much into the country by air until the damage is fixed. Of course Iran could just strike it again.
Think the USA and Israel have bitten off way more than they can chew and must be close to looking how to get out of the mess they have created.
Post Edited (Mon 16 Mar 15:30)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 16 Mar 18:46
Quote:
desparado, Mon 16 Mar 15:30
Ben Gurion airport has been severely damaged by 12 Iranian ballistic missiles all of which got past 3 batteries of Iron dome interceptors.
Over 30 planes, Main runway , terminal 3 and fuel depots destroyed or severely damaged.
Israel won’t be bringing too much into the country by air until the damage is fixed. Of course Iran could just strike it again.
Think the USA and Israel have bitten off way more than they can chew and must be close to looking how to get out of the mess they have created.
Just looked on flightracker24 and 3 commercial flights took of from there in the last 15 minutes.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 16 Mar 19:29
Think the USA and Israel have bitten off way more than they can chew and must be close to looking how to get out of the mess they have created.
Well, the Orange Clown wants nato members to clean up his mess.
F Cough and clean your own ****
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 03:34
There are reports that the Israeli justice minister, Yariv Levin, has been appointed acting prime minister, sparking thoughts that Netanyahu may indeed have met his maker.
However, a word of caution, in certain circumstances, the Minister of Justice can serve as a temporary or acting PM if the PM is unavailable or incapacitated. Time will tell if this is an administrative move or a signal of a significant power shift.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 17 Mar 05:31
Brilliant watching Trump asking everyone for help and everyone turning round and saying “you got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out of it” 😂😂
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 06:51
Isn`t it strange how folk who tend to trust almost nobody are hopeful that Netanyahu is dead because some randoms on the Internet and Iranian state media have stated that he is?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 17 Mar 06:56
Quote:
ipswichpar, Tue 17 Mar 06:51
Isn`t it strange how folk who tend to trust almost nobody are hopeful that Netanyahu is dead because some randoms on the Internet and Iranian state media have stated that he is?
Randoms on thr internet?
The two obviously AI videos of him, one with six fingers and one in a coffee shop where a date of 2024 could be seen on a till are suspicious, no?
Also, our almost entirely zionist controlled or feared media aren`t exactly bastions of truth.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Tue 17 Mar 08:04)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 08:39
The six finger one looks like the bottom of his hand to me.
If we aren`t talking about the same six finger one, it wouldn`t be the first bit of AI generated nonsense sent out without being checked properly.
Where is the evidence that the coffee shop one was 2024? Looks to be confirmed by the coffee shop posts as this weekend as far as I can see.
Seems quite clear there is a bunch of confirmation bias here as there would be a lot of folk more than happy if he caught a ballistic missile.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 17 Mar 08:48
Quote:
ipswichpar, Tue 17 Mar 08:39
The six finger one looks like the bottom of his hand to me.
If we aren`t talking about the same six finger one, it wouldn`t be the first bit of AI generated nonsense sent out without being checked properly.
Where is the evidence that the coffee shop one was 2024? Looks to be confirmed by the coffee shop posts as this weekend as far as I can see.
Seems quite clear there is a bunch of confirmation bias here as there would be a lot of folk more than happy if he caught a ballistic missile.
It`s a rebranded post covid opening video, there is a till in shot twice that shows 2024, then there`s the coffee that doesn`t go down when drunk, do i need to go on?
It's a changing world, maybe get AI savvy old bean.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Tue 17 Mar 09:45)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 17 Mar 11:37
Been watching some recent videos of Trump today - he is a complete and utter mad man.
“I like Cuba. People always go on about the US and Cuba. Id have the honour of being the one to take it. To take it, or run it, who knows”
“I predicted 9/11. I wrote it in a book in 2000. They could have stopped it. I predicted that attack”
“What was the diagnosis? *answered by Mike Johnston its terminal cancer* He will be dead by June” when discussing a congressman private medical diagnosis to the media…..
I mean come on, how is this guy not being locked up in a mental asylum right now?!?!
Also the backers of US/Israel, aka Ian Dale, go on and on about Irans regime killing somewhere between 20-40,000 civilians, but completely avoid the 100,000 plus Gazans killed is just laughable now. How much are our media in their pockets for?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 17 Mar 11:51
Well I`ll guess we`ll find out soon enough who is right and who is stupid when it comes to believing the rumours of Netanyahu status. Will it be the tech savvy Rasta or old bean Ipswich.....
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 17 Mar 12:17
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 17 Mar 11:51
Well I`ll guess we`ll find out soon enough who is right and who is stupid when it comes to believing the rumours of Netanyahu status. Will it be the tech savvy Rasta or old bean Ipswich.....
Maybe we`ll find out in 8 years, like they did with the last one, they`re not normal that lot.
The Rasta thing persisting huh? 😂
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 17 Mar 18:20
Speaks Volumes if true :-
The Trump administration`s top official on counterterrorism has resigned over the war in Iran, and has urged the president to "reverse course".
In a letter posted to his X account, National Counterterrorism Center Director Joe Kent said that Iran posed "no imminent threat" to the US and claimed that the administration "started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby".
Kent, 45, is a US special forces and CIA veteran whose wife, navy cryptologic technician Shannon Kent, was killed in a bombing in Syria in 2019.
The White House has dismissed the letter saying Trump had "compelling evidence" that Iran was going to attack the US first.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 18 Mar 02:23
In my earlier post about good websites for news on the Gulf conflict, I forgot to mention the very reliable SEMAFOR, which consistently produces accurate reports on the war.
Semafor`s latest report says Israel`s "impenetrable" defensive shield is now on the brink of collapse. Israel is nearly defenceless as its interceptor stockpile is depleted.
According to the report, Israel`s most expensive missiles (Interceptors), designed to intercept Iranian missiles in the sky, have now dwindled to a dangerously low level.
Iran has fired hundreds of missiles simultaneously, exhausting Israel`s billion-dollar systems like Iron Dome and David`s Sling, and emptying their warehouses.
Now, Iranian missiles will strike directly into Israel`s heart, and there will be no one to stop them. Experts say this is Israel`s biggest defence crisis in history.
The question is, to what extent will Iran exploit this "weakness".
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 18 Mar 07:01
Trump had compelling evidence?
The footage of him punching a young girl in the face during a sex act?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 18 Mar 10:06
Regardless of anything else, I reckon the Americans have got to see this through now.
To leave now without regime change would be a major loss of face for Trump, which he simply wouldn`t tolerate for ego purposes, much like with Putin in Ukraine.
The other point is that the regime doesn`t have the support of the Iranian people - the Security chief was just killed and people were heard cheering - maybe 15% support at the most and removing it would be favourable politically and economically for the US. There will, however, be a military and monetary cost to doing that. A lot of mootings though that Trump made the decision to start the operation on the hoof and so proper planning has been lacking thus far.
The tantrum from Trump about not being supported by NATO Nations though is hilarious, considering how he has behaved over Ukraine.
Also amazing how many, like Oz, are supporting an Islamist regime in this conflict.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 18 Mar 12:17
Yes, HJ, I support the Iranian people, and for me, this is a moral question more than a religious one. I`ve actually been to Iran and experienced the richness of Persian culture and the incredible hospitality of the people firsthand. Granted, it was quite a long time ago, but inevitably, it has shaped my perspective.
I think we need to be critical about what we are fed regarding Iran. The recent protests were complex, and there are legitimate questions about outside interference, specifically, CIA and Mossad—parallels to colour revolutions elsewhere aren`t entirely off-base. "Ukraine 2014, anyone?" That doesn`t mean the grievances weren`t real, but the narrative gets oversimplified.
On the casualties: from what I`ve seen, the death toll was likely in the low thousands, not tens of thousands as widely reported. Many of those killed were reportedly armed and engaged in violence. Still tragic, but context matters.
Iran is a huge country with a broad mix of citizens. Maybe 15% solidly support the mullahs, another 15% might back the exiled Pahlavi "prince". The 70% in the middle? They`re the ones who will decide Iran`s future—and most seem to want real democracy and independence, like the pre-1953 government before the CIA-backed coup.
As for military calculations: Iran`s been preparing for this for 20 years, focusing on missiles, drones, and fast-attack craft designed to protect the Strait of Hormuz. That`s asymmetric 21st-century warfare. Meanwhile, the US is relying on tech from the last century. Israel`s covert game is being countered too—look at how many of their senior officials have been accurately targeted.
And now that the Strait is closed? Trump isn`t just facing Iran—he`s facing a global economy in chaos. That changes the equation entirely.
As I see it, the Iranians are playing a blinder!
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 18 Mar 13:16
No, Oz, you are supporting an Islamist regime that oppresses the Iranian people so let`s not pretend otherwise. The Iranian people themselves would find your position nonsensical and would be incensed by your support for the Mullahs. And, judging by your posts, the support is simply out of a blind hatred of America and Israel.
The CCP destroyed Chinese Culture, The Islamic Revolution in Iran destroyed Persian Culture and Putin has destroyed Russia`s culture and future. Yet, you seem to be vehemently in favour of these regimes to the point where you`re indulging in conspiracy theories and accusing everyone else of "having their brains cooked" by the Western Media, despite the fact that much of what you say is demonstrably false - posting AI images of Tel Aviv, claims about Ukraine losing to Russia and your statements on Mainland China to name but a few!
And then when you're challenged on your sources, you conveniently side step addressing the points raised...go figure! 😂
I say that as somebody who agrees that Trump and Netanyahu are senile auld gits who belong in jail cells.
Why not just be honest and admit that you support authoritarian governance? As I`ve said before, it would really not surprise me if you have been compromised at some point and I really wouldn`t be surprised if you are being monitored by the Aussie security services for some of the nonsense that you post.
I mean, you've spoken often of your trip to the Soviet Union as a youngster, however I can imagine you'd be vehemently opposed to the Israeli "birthright" program and claim something along the lines.of it being "a Zionist plot to control the political narrative in the US" (Which I don't doubt is a factor), however, might you not be the victim of something similar? Is there not even the teeniest tiniest possibility?
Post Edited (Wed 18 Mar 13:40)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 19 Mar 07:02
HJ, a while back, someone on here suggested that you most probably were on the autistic spectrum, judging by the obsessive nature of your posts. I don`t know enough about this to comment, but I know for certain that there is something deeply wrong with you, as you have no off switch, zero understanding of nuance, and to you, everything is black and white.
Time and again, I have sought to diffuse your animosity, only to find it come back in my face with double the intensity. I wouldn`t mind too much if you had something intelligent to say, but time after time, the same old arguments are repeated and repeated and repeated. I find you are a nauseatingly boring person.
You say I support authoritarian governance! Truly, you are as mad as a cut snake. I live in Australia, possibly the finest country in the world. I have no desire to bow to anyone. That is totally against the Aussie ethos—you would struggle to find a less authoritarian nation on the planet.
If I am being monitored by the Aussie security services for my opinions, then the best part of half the population here will be in the same spot. The views I express on dotnet are quite prevalent here. You say I don`t cite sources—that`s a blatant lie! And wildly, you suggest I was indoctrinated into communism when I was a schoolboy. For heaven`s sake, I went on a two-week school cruise to Scandinavia and the Soviet Union in 1970 when I was 15 years old. I was way more interested in girls than Lenin or Marx back then.
Perhaps you`ve got a lot of **** going on in your life and this is your way to relieve some tension. If so, I suggest you find another target, for I am not playing anymore. I don`t care what you say from now on, I am going to ignore you.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 19 Mar 07:46
No need to worry about me Oz - actually very healthy and satisfied in life, but thanks for the concern! 😂
Once again though, you have ignored the substantive points and just gone down the route of deflection, whitabootery and personal attacks but that speaks for itself.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 06:46
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 17 Mar 08:48
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ipswichpar, Tue 17 Mar 08:39
The six finger one looks like the bottom of his hand to me.
If we aren`t talking about the same six finger one, it wouldn`t be the first bit of AI generated nonsense sent out without being checked properly.
Where is the evidence that the coffee shop one was 2024? Looks to be confirmed by the coffee shop posts as this weekend as far as I can see.
Seems quite clear there is a bunch of confirmation bias here as there would be a lot of folk more than happy if he caught a ballistic missile.
It`s a rebranded post covid opening video, there is a till in shot twice that shows 2024, then there`s the coffee that doesn`t go down when drunk, do i need to go on?
It`s a changing world, maybe get AI savvy old bean.
I am AI savvy. Perhaps it is you that needs to get savvy about wasting too many hours listening to Internet randoms and getting too excited about the cool stories the bros are feeding you.
Happy to admit you are wrong now? Or was the press conference yesterday a deep fake, too?
Mind you, perhaps it was a fake Netanyahu. I know that they have clearly managed to find a Putin double so perhaps they have done the same here.
You seem to have a nasty habit of telling everybody that they are stupid and following the herd, while being unable to admit "ah, I`ve been mugged off and got it wrong again."
It is very Trump-like how you are on to the next bit of the conspiracy cycle and not really learning from your previous mistakes.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 20 Mar 06:51
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 20 Mar 06:46
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Tue 17 Mar 08:48
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ipswichpar, Tue 17 Mar 08:39
The six finger one looks like the bottom of his hand to me.
If we aren`t talking about the same six finger one, it wouldn`t be the first bit of AI generated nonsense sent out without being checked properly.
Where is the evidence that the coffee shop one was 2024? Looks to be confirmed by the coffee shop posts as this weekend as far as I can see.
Seems quite clear there is a bunch of confirmation bias here as there would be a lot of folk more than happy if he caught a ballistic missile.
It`s a rebranded post covid opening video, there is a till in shot twice that shows 2024, then there`s the coffee that doesn`t go down when drunk, do i need to go on?
It`s a changing world, maybe get AI savvy old bean.
I am AI savvy. Perhaps it is you that needs to get savvy about wasting too many hours listening to Internet randoms and getting too excited about the cool stories the bros are feeding you.
Happy to admit you are wrong now? Or was the press conference yesterday a deep fake, too?
Mind you, perhaps it was a fake Netanyahu. I know that they have clearly managed to find a Putin double so perhaps they have done the same here.
You seem to have a nasty habit of telling everybody that they are stupid and following the herd, while being unable to admit "ah, I`ve been mugged off and got it wrong again."
It is very Trump-like how you are on to the next bit of the conspiracy cycle and not really learning from your previous mistakes.
Mate, calm down, i simply made a joke, every single video has visual issues, simple.
If yoh can`t see the ovious errors then i assure you, you aren`t ai savvy.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 07:56
Perfectly calm over here.
Just pointing out your obvious errors which you seem unable to acknowledge, that`s all.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 20 Mar 12:00
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 20 Mar 07:56
Perfectly calm over here.
Just pointing out your obvious errors which you seem unable to acknowledge, that`s all.
Which obvious errors?
The coffee that doesn’t diminish with each drink?
The date in the till?
The six fingers?
The three ear holes?
The ai used to prove Netanyahu is alive is garbage.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 12:20
AI can clearly generate pihs. I understand it well enough to understand that. In the same way that poorly edited TV can.... I am sure that there was previously cases of TV adverts and interviews that had been poorly edited and cups were more full than they should be.
How do you feel about the press conference he held yesterday that was widely covered on multiple globally well respected official news outlets? He didn`t look very dead to me when he was continuing to talk about killing more innocent people.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 20 Mar 13:07
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 20 Mar 12:20
AI can clearly generate pihs. I understand it well enough to understand that. In the same way that poorly edited TV can.... I am sure that there was previously cases of TV adverts and interviews that had been poorly edited and cups were more full than they should be.
How do you feel about the press conference he held yesterday that was widely covered on multiple globally well respected official news outlets? He didn`t look very dead to me when he was continuing to talk about killing more innocent people.
Where to start on that one😂
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 15:01
Quote:
OzPar, Thu 19 Mar 07:02
HJ, a while back, someone on here suggested that you most probably were on the autistic spectrum, judging by the obsessive nature of your posts. I don`t know enough about this to comment, but I know for certain that there is something deeply wrong with you, as you have no off switch, zero understanding of nuance, and to you, everything is black and white.
So you`ve mentioned autism then you go on to say theres something wrong with, sounds like your implying because he may be autistic theres something wrong with him
Nice one neebur, good job 👍👍👍
COYP
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 15:06
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 20 Mar 13:07
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 20 Mar 12:20
AI can clearly generate pihs. I understand it well enough to understand that. In the same way that poorly edited TV can.... I am sure that there was previously cases of TV adverts and interviews that had been poorly edited and cups were more full than they should be.
How do you feel about the press conference he held yesterday that was widely covered on multiple globally well respected official news outlets? He didn`t look very dead to me when he was continuing to talk about killing more innocent people.
Where to start on that one😂
I suspected deflection or avoidance would be the starting point.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Back on topic again……..Trump has called all NATO allies “cowards” for not helping him and Benji defeat an enemy that he defeated last week 🤔 his presser will be interesting.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Back on topic again……..Trump has called all NATO allies “cowards” for not helping him and Benji defeat an enemy that he defeated last week 🤔 his presser will be interesting.
What is ur opinion on trump dave?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 20 Mar 15:20
Quote:
shellypar, Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Back on topic again……..Trump has called all NATO allies “cowards” for not helping him and Benji defeat an enemy that he defeated last week 🤔 his presser will be interesting.
What is ur opinion on trump dave?
He is a deranged lunatic that is showing clear signs of completely losing his mind. Think he is deep into Netanyahu and Putins pockets, which is being more widely obvious as time ticks on. He has also created a background staff that will say and do anything to remain by his side and in power now. He is a cult.
It would not surprise me if by the end of the month a nuke is dropped on Tehran.
Post Edited (Fri 20 Mar 15:21)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 16:10
He has completely lost it .. From Aunty :-
A key moment of Japanese Prime Minister Sanae Takaichi`s official visit to the US was President Donald Trump`s comment on a piece of shared history - Pearl Harbor.
Asked by a Japanese journalist why the US had not warned its allies it was going to strike Iran on 28 February, Trump referenced the 1941 Japanese attack on US soil.
"Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn`t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?," Trump said as the prime minister appeared to be opening her eyes wide and taking a deep breath.
The Pearl Harbor attack led to the US joining World War Two, and the US later dropped two atomic bombs on Japan.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 16:16
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 20 Mar 15:20
Quote:
shellypar, Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Back on topic again……..Trump has called all NATO allies “cowards” for not helping him and Benji defeat an enemy that he defeated last week 🤔 his presser will be interesting.
What is ur opinion on trump dave?
He is a deranged lunatic that is showing clear signs of completely losing his mind. Think he is deep into Netanyahu and Putins pockets, which is being more widely obvious as time ticks on. He has also created a background staff that will say and do anything to remain by his side and in power now. He is a cult.
It would not surprise me if by the end of the month a nuke is dropped on Tehran.
I agree Dave. I think you have a typo near the end of your first paragraph though.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 16:16
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 20 Mar 16:10
"Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn`t you tell me about Pearl Harbor?," Trump said as the prime minister appeared to be opening her eyes wide and taking a deep breath.
As much diplomacy and tact as a half brick to the face
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Topic Originator: auldpar
Date: Fri 20 Mar 16:42
It would have been difficult to warn him as he wasn`t born until 5 years after Pearl Harbor! 😀
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Fri 20 Mar 16:44
Quote:
ipswichpar, Fri 20 Mar 16:16
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 20 Mar 15:20
Quote:
shellypar, Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 20 Mar 15:07
Back on topic again……..Trump has called all NATO allies “cowards” for not helping him and Benji defeat an enemy that he defeated last week 🤔 his presser will be interesting.
What is ur opinion on trump dave?
He is a deranged lunatic that is showing clear signs of completely losing his mind. Think he is deep into Netanyahu and Putins pockets, which is being more widely obvious as time ticks on. He has also created a background staff that will say and do anything to remain by his side and in power now. He is a cult.
It would not surprise me if by the end of the month a nuke is dropped on Tehran.
I agree Dave. I think you have a typo near the end of your first paragraph though.
Both.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 21 Mar 07:26
I think we need the bay harbour butcher to sort him out
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 21 Mar 08:34
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ipswichpar, Fri 20 Mar 15:06
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Fri 20 Mar 13:07
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ipswichpar, Fri 20 Mar 12:20
AI can clearly generate pihs. I understand it well enough to understand that. In the same way that poorly edited TV can.... I am sure that there was previously cases of TV adverts and interviews that had been poorly edited and cups were more full than they should be.
How do you feel about the press conference he held yesterday that was widely covered on multiple globally well respected official news outlets? He didn`t look very dead to me when he was continuing to talk about killing more innocent people.
Where to start on that one😂
I suspected deflection or avoidance would be the starting point.
Do you need me to hold your hand and go through point by point?
You seem really bitter?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 21 Mar 09:21
Yes please, that would be really helpful.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 21 Mar 09:48
You`re being trolled Ipswich. Playing chess with a pigeon and all that.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 21 Mar 10:14
Thanks TOWK.
I thought we had lost the troll when Rasta stopped posting on here. Oh well.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 21 Mar 16:23
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 21 Mar 10:14
Thanks TOWK.
I thought we had lost the troll when Rasta stopped posting on here. Oh well.
It is Rasta.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 22 Mar 12:38
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sat 21 Mar 16:23
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ipswichpar, Sat 21 Mar 10:14
Thanks TOWK.
I thought we had lost the troll when Rasta stopped posting on here. Oh well.
It is Rasta.
What an obsessed loser you are, i`d meet you in person but honestly, you`d pull an Israel and accuse me of something, weak feminine men like you are dangerous.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 22 Mar 13:03
You seem really bitter.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 23 Mar 16:33
A rather humiliating climb down by Trump as Iran calls his bluff over power station strikes.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 23 Mar 17:44
He is lying again according to Aunty :-
Donald Trump says the US and Iran have held talks on the "complete and total resolution of hostilities" in the Middle East
Writing on social media, Trump says he`s postponed threatened strikes on Iranian power plants for five days - oil and gas prices fall immediately
However, Iran`s parliament speaker denies discussions have taken place, saying "fake news" is being used to "manipulate" the oil markets
Well who do you believe ?
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 23 Mar 18:45
Manipulation of the markets, the millionaires are making more millions!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 23 Mar 20:16
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 23 Mar 18:45
Manipulation of the markets, the millionaires are making more millions!
100%.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 23 Mar 21:20
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 23 Mar 20:16
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LochgellyAlbert, Mon 23 Mar 18:45
Manipulation of the markets, the millionaires are making more millions!
100%.
Trump and his cronies will be making billions buying and selling on a market manipulated by his whimsical lies. He should be in jail, or better yet, dead
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 24 Mar 00:49
A five-day break—or yet another deception from Trump? Could he be planning a sudden escalation, targeting Iran`s power stations? I wouldn`t put it past him.
Already, it appears they are planning to attack Kharg Island with a force of four or five thousand men, likely by parachute. Heaven knows how they would get marine landing craft near the island without being spotted.
Military experts say this is pure folly. Apart from being sitting ducks, the force will only carry supplies and armaments for a handful of days.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Mon 30 Mar 08:10
Unsurprisingly, Trump has now said he could take Kharg Island and "take the oil in Iran".
Is that not pure theft?
I`m not allowed to just walk into Asda, declare myself at war with the store, and take all the electrical stuff or alcohol or whatever.
Maybe I`m a bit naive
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 30 Mar 09:15
They are already in breach of international law and don`t care.
He was "joking" the other day about renaming the Strait of Hormuz the Strait of Trump.
I don`t say this lightly, but the sooner he is dead the better.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Mon 30 Mar 09:28
Ipswich - I don`t disagree one little bit, but the worry is always who is waiting in the shadows to fill the void. We`ve seen it time and time again, take out the big bad boss man, only to find several even worse folk lurking in the background.
Trump is, regardless of his own self inflated ego, only one man among a following of tens of millions of supporters. He might have the power just now, but in his absence someone else will happily step up to fill his shoes. We`ve got to make sure that person isn`t just as bad, or worse.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 30 Mar 10:26
Interesting that Trump supporters are behind his current level of involvement but the enthusiasm drops when asked if their children would be happy to be conscripted.
They`ve had too many losses throughout the years, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Mon 30 Mar 10:48
Must admit, I`m very curious what Trump will do now. I very much doubt that he`ll withdraw as he criticised Biden for doing that in Afghanistan and the TACO headlines will reappear and this would be a very bad signal to send to Putin and Xi. The only reasonable outcome now is for the Islamists to be removed and that`s going to take time and military resources. And the regime certainly doesn`t have the popular support for such a scenario to turn into a "forever` war with insurgency etc. Quite obvious too that the new Ayatollah is either dead or incapacitated.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 30 Mar 11:55
Trump is a clown and this war has been a disaster and ill thought out by him and his small team of yes men. He thought this would be another Venezuela. How wrong he was and now the world is paying for it.
Taking Kharg island will cost many American lives and holding onto it will cost many more. This could turn out to be a mini Vietnam.
The Houthis might now cut off the Red Sea route that the Saudis are using, further weakening the USA and its options and mean even greater economic turmoil.
The best thing that could happen is for Trump to cut his losses and pull out. The oncoming mid term elections and continual losses in his popularity ratings, may see him pull back from the precipice ?
Honestly, I doubt it though.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Mon 30 Mar 17:47
It seems to me that Trump has never (as an adult – I’m not sure what his childhood was like) had to suffer the consequences of his actions, which makes him dangerous.
Any issue can be resolved with money or power, threats or bullying. Sexual misconduct, business malpractice, errors of judgement – all can be sorted with pay-offs, divorces, bankruptcies, dismissals, denials, distractions, invasions or whatever.
He doesn’t seem particularly well read or well educated, a handicap to holding any position of huge responsibility and not conducive to good outcomes.
He could mitigate this with detailed briefings and by surrounding himself with top advisors, but allegedly he finds briefing material boring, and his advisors are his mates and other sycophants. He seems to be particularly prone to repeating the last bit of information he has been given, as if to show off how “smart” and well-informed he is, yet his ramblings are frequently incoherent and contradictory – the war is won, yet it still needs to winning, they need assistance yet can do without it.
I wonder how his fellow world leaders can deal with him – presumably they all know he acts like a moron, but they currently won’t say this out loud. Do they share their opinions with others privately? Do the likes of Vance and Rubio acknowledge his idiocy?
Brexit affords Starmer (or any other UK leader) the opportunity to position themselves differently to the EU. They can play “good cop, bad cop” or maybe “unhelpful cop, slightly less intransigent cop”.
Presumably they have psychologists to advise on how to play him – his obsession with appearing smart, winning golf championships and the Nobel Peace Prize must be significant. It will be interesting to see how any perceived weakness (such as loss of domestic support) changes the dynamic and leads to more vocal international approbation. In a normal world, he would be worried about getting creamed in the mid-terms, but that’s months away (and he’d probably just cancel them anyway…). Bodybags arriving at Dover Air Force Base might be problematic for him, beyond deciding what colour of baseball cap would be inappropriate.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Tue 31 Mar 02:22
Body bags piled up at Dover air force base won’t bother him in the slightest in fact he’s probably got his scapegoat lined up for just such an eventuality already he just doesn’t care about military personnel if he did he wouldn’t have dodged the draft 5 times
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 31 Mar 13:14
Hegseth addressing the nation now. It’s basically a rally for an invasion. Imagine sending young men to their deaths for no reason. Disgusting. I hope a bullet has his name on it too
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Tue 31 Mar 13:14)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 31 Mar 14:50
Trump has told us to go get our own oil too……prices here about to go through the roof and can see the country slowing down to a bit of a stand still soon. Meanwhile Farage and co will continue to blame Labour rather than Donald……
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Tue 31 Mar 16:11
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 31 Mar 14:50
Trump has told us to go get our own oil too……prices here about to go through the roof and can see the country slowing down to a bit of a stand still soon. Meanwhile Farage and co will continue to blame Labour rather than Donald……
If your everyday simpleton didn’t fall hook line and sinker for click bait headlines such as petrol and diesel drivers urged to fill up before 10am on Thursday which was posted by the daily express this morning then there would be plenty of fuel the trouble is they are all to stupid to work out that those sort of headlines are aimed to them and they show no sign of working it out any time soon
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 31 Mar 17:23
I thought Starmer had changed tack by standing up to Trump but Buck House has confirmed that Charlie and Camilla are going on a state visit to celebrate the USA`s 250th anniversary and Trump is already making political capital out of it.
`It will be TERRIFIC`!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 31 Mar 17:36
Anything for a free holiday, sorry taxpayer funded holiday!😡
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 31 Mar 21:35
Camilla has been told to take one for the team.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 1 Apr 06:43
Looks like the USA are doing what they do best......running away when the going gets tough....still a victory though says Donnie T the peado.
Congratulations Iran, especially since you`ve now going to have a new income stream.
And thanks very much for your actions in Israel.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 1 Apr 10:45
Trump has well and truly lost it. No issue with him pushing "America first" but making out like losing a war in Iran is a victory is just embarrassing. He`s like someone who offers to do a job for you, mucks it up and then storms off with a "yeah, well if you`re not happy then you can get someone else to do it.". Pathetic little orange man!
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Wed 1 Apr 12:33
Agree that Trump is pathetic/deluded/senile etc, but trying to say that Iran is winning is really clutching at straws. Their military strike and production capacity has been largely destroyed but the Cheeto has not been clear with his commanders what the final objective of this whole thing actually is. Quantity has a quality of its own and that`s what`s happening now with the use of drones and missiles, but a lot of sources are showing that the use of these is diminishing.
The only reason there hasn`t been popular uprising in Iran is because the religious Police and Islamist militias are still intact and on the streets killing people. Those organisation and their infrastructure should be the next targets.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 1 Apr 13:03
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Wed 1 Apr 12:33
Agree that Trump is pathetic/deluded/senile etc, but trying to say that Iran is winning is really clutching at straws. Their military strike and production capacity has been largely destroyed but the Cheeto has not been clear with his commanders what the final objective of this whole thing actually is. Quantity has a quality of its own and that`s what`s happening now with the use of drones and missiles, but a lot of sources are showing that the use of these is diminishing.
The only reason there hasn`t been popular uprising in Iran is because the religious Police and Islamist militias are still intact and on the streets killing people. Those organisation and their infrastructure should be the next targets.
If you look back to 1953 Iran was a Democratic Republic and since that date with with interference by both the UK and the USA they are where they are now.
As long as there`s not a regime change Iran has won the war.
Post Edited (Wed 01 Apr 13:06)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 1 Apr 16:57
Iran didn`t "win" but the US definitely lost. Trump just rewrites his plan to make it seem like he "won". The guys a fantasist.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 1 Apr 17:37
Quote:
jake89, Wed 1 Apr 16:57
Iran didn`t "win" but the US definitely lost. Trump just rewrites his plan to make it seem like he "won". The guys a fantasist.
But he is a great fantasist. Some people say he`s the best fantasist that there has ever been.
Counting down the days until he is out of office.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 2 Apr 00:55
Checkpoints abandoned by the Dežbān Markaz, they have fled their posts. Iran now attacking Arab neighbours, it will be over in a couple of weeks before Trump has to be bothered by congress.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 3 Apr 15:35
US fighter jet shot down by Iran over Iran with a search underway for the crew…..wait a second….. I thought American forces had completely nullified air defence systems and had complete control over the skies of Iran? 🤔 awkward……
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 3 Apr 15:57
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 3 Apr 15:35
US fighter jet shot down by Iran over Iran with a search underway for the crew…..wait a second….. I thought American forces had completely nullified air defence systems and had complete control over the skies of Iran? 🤔 awkward……
Apparently Iran have been gifted 2 defence systems which are capable of knocking the Yanks jets out the air.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 3 Apr 15:59
With Trump it`s got to the point where it`s best not to believe a word he says.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 3 Apr 16:59
F15 apparently as opposed to a f22 or f35 so wouldn`t make too much of it tbh since it`s one of the older aircraft in the US arsenal. One or the E variants according to various outlets meaning its about 35 years old...
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 3 Apr 17:04
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 3 Apr 15:59
With Trump it`s got to the point where it`s best not to believe a word he says.
It was always the case, Wee Eck. Well out of his depth
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 3 Apr 17:04
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Fri 3 Apr 16:59
F15 apparently as opposed to a f22 or f35 so wouldn`t make too much of it tbh since it`s one of the older aircraft in the US arsenal. One or the E variants according to various outlets meaning its about 35 years old...
They have rescued one of the pilots.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 3 Apr 17:10
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Fri 3 Apr 16:59
F15 apparently as opposed to a f22 or f35 so wouldn`t make too much of it tbh since it`s one of the older aircraft in the US arsenal. One or the E variants according to various outlets meaning its about 35 years old...
How do you shoot down a plane when all of your air defences have been destroyed? 🤔 doesn’t matter if its 3 years old or 30 years old, still shows that the orange mans talking utter p*sh
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Fri 3 Apr 21:06
Shot an A-10 warthog down as well according to CBS
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 3 Apr 22:32
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Fri 3 Apr 21:06
Shot an A-10 warthog down as well according to CBS
No real issue, the Iranians just got lucky .
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 4 Apr 00:25
Well, yes, the Cheeto is an erse and does talk a load of p*sh but there are several ways to bring down an aircraft other than an air defense system.
I`d be looking at the number of sorties vs the number of aircraft lost in the air...so far that amounts to 1 x F15E and 8-10 x Reaper UAVs...you can also include the F16 downed by friendly fire in Kuwait and the C135 that crashed in Iraq if you want or even the C135s damaged on the ground in Saudi...but that still pales in comparison to Desert Storm which lasted 43 days and saw the US lose 40ish aircraft.
The Institute for the Study of War (who are usually pretty spot on) is saying that the US has carried out 8000 sorties and the Israelis about 12000 thus far and I think it`s Day 35?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 4 Apr 05:01
It is getting on for 50 years since I visited Kharg Island. I was a young deck officer on a 250,000-ton supertanker that had called in to load a cargo of crude oil. Back then, we were told that our load would represent one day’s oil usage in the UK. Today, it may struggle to provide 12 hours. But it gives you a clue as to how vital shipping is to an island nation like Britain.
After lunch on board, the chief officer and I decided to stretch our legs and take a walk up to the town that we could see a couple of miles in the distance. We got permission from the oil terminal boss and set off along a road in our white boiler suits, which protected us well from the blazing afternoon sun. There wasn’t a lot to see, to be honest. My abiding memory is of a rocky, low-lying, undulating landscape that was coral-like in its structure, interspersed with thorny bushes that I guess could really do you damage if you were crawling through them in a conflict situation.
Kharg Island is small, just a few miles long. It is open and exposed. There are no hiding places. Even I, a military novice, can conclude it is poorly suited for a ground assault. So, what the hell are the military experts in the Pentagon doing? This could end up as a turkey shoot.
Well, it looks like a lot of them are in open revolt against Trump, Pete Hegseth & Co. In the past 24 hours, there have been a host of sackings of senior military figures. Well, the official line is they were sacked, but how likely is it that they are refusing to carry out orders that will kill their troops?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 4 Apr 07:37
I`m more worried that this is the Trump administration continuing to gut the military of principled individuals who won`t allow him to tear up the constitution and remain in power indefinitely.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 5 Apr 10:23
It can`t see Trump surviving (physically or politically) beyond the northern summer. He is a very sick man. By then, surely matters in the Gulf will be more certain, one way or the other. To be honest, I wouldn`t fancy his chances.
In what was effectively its first response to the US-Israeli attacks, Iran struck American bases across the Gulf region and continued this offensive to the point where a dozen US bases were destroyed and unlikely ever to reopen. Trillions in investments over 40 years, gone.
Worse still is the belief among the host nations that they have been duped. that the US was never there to protect them, but to provide an advanced proxy defence for Israel. When the Iranian missiles arrived, the American defences were nowhere to be seen.
Four weeks on, where are we? The US is considerably diminished across the globe, distrusted by those Gulf states, and desperately seeking an off-ramp to a war it has no prospect of winning. It may keep pounding bombs into Iranian soil, but 94 million Iranians know their key munitions are safe deep underground, and still plentiful. Eventually, the Americans will run out of bombs.
Iran has ended free transit of the Strait of Hormuz, moving the shipping channels north, routing vessels inside islands close to its coast. Tankers, container ships, and other commercial vessels now transit the Strait under strictly controlled conditions: an Iranian checkpoint that says yes or no, Iranian pilotage, and for those that get through, a payment of $2 million per ship paid in Chinese yuan. Just as ships pay fees to transit the Panama and Suez Canals, so Iran has monetised the Strait of Hormuz.
Every barrel of oil from Gulf countries is effectively taxed a dollar by Iran. Sanctions will end, but they no longer matter—Iran will get rich.
And here`s where things get interesting—the key condition permitting tankers to transit the Strait is that the buyer of the oil, the consignee, must pay the shipper, who owns the oil, in Chinese yuan. In one deft move, the petrodollar—which protected the American economy for 50 years—is effectively dead.
Iran has pre-empted BRICS on de-dollarisation. Expect things to accelerate from here. More than half the world already accepts Iran`s new regulation of the Strait. Also, importantly, the shipping and marine insurance industries have accepted it. This is a historic turning point.
American sanctions on countries like Iran, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, etc., are coming back to bite them. The US broke its promise by weaponizing the dollar and SWIFT. Now, payback is coming.
Iran is by no means a perfect society, but it is nothing like the clichéd fundamentalist theocracy painted by the West. From where I sit, the mullahs appear to provide oversight and general policy guidance—for example, Khamenei`s refusal to allow nuclear weapons on religious grounds. The politicians and the military provide the active direction.
(Continued...)
Post Edited (Sun 05 Apr 10:24)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 5 Apr 10:32
Continued...)
Just take one look at the leadership of the Iranian government (I hesitate to call it a regime, that`s something more suited to the current occupants of the White House): Iran today is run by PhDs, scientists, doctors, engineers—people seeking to advance life. The US is run by grifters, property developers, PR agents, lawyers, and ideologues delivering death. Compare and contrast the way each side has executed the war. Go figure who the smart ones are!
The New York Times now concedes that the recent riots in Iran were sparked by CIA and Mossad meddling—an old trick: incite rebellion, then use the government`s reaction to justify attacking it. The Bay of Pigs, Syria, Libya, Kosovo, Ukraine. The expectation that the Iranians wish to return to a Shah is farcical—his regime was far worse by any measure. If anything, it is a return to the situation that existed pre-1953, before Mossadegh was deposed and replaced by the Shah, thanks to a CIA-organised coup.
Iranians are a great people with a rich culture maintained over 2,500 years. Trump`s ignorant threats and deadlines will not work. The old Middle East has ended. Israel`s days are numbered. The Greater Israel project will never happe. What comes next is a wholly different ecosystem. And much of the West is not going to like it very much.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 5 Apr 15:10
Deary Deary Me
Trump says: "Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the fart’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP"
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 5 Apr 15:48
Trump has this strange idea that the best way to persuade others is to threaten and insult them, whether opponents or perceived allies.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 5 Apr 16:10
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sun 5 Apr 15:10
Deary Deary Me
Trump says: "Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the fart’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP"
Waiting for Tuesdays post of “we have given them a 20 day deadline to open the strait” since he wont go through with bombing power plants and bridges to hell.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 5 Apr 17:43
Bombers flying from UK?😡
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Sun 5 Apr 17:49
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 5 Apr 17:43
Bombers flying from UK?😡
B-52s from RAF mildenhall by any chance?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 5 Apr 18:57
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Sun 5 Apr 17:49
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Sun 5 Apr 17:43
Bombers flying from UK?😡
B-52s from RAF mildenhall by any chance?
Purely defensive!🤔🙈
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 6 Apr 14:07
The IDF now killing Lebanese politicians who are Christian and strongly opposed to Hezbollah…..
Oh and have bombed Irans largest petrochemicals site…….
Post Edited (Mon 06 Apr 14:07)
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Tue 7 Apr 14:18
“Whole civilisation will die tonight” yeh because that’s what a completely sane person would say eh? forget the Nobel peace prize it’s an appearance at the hague this ****** needs
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Tue 7 Apr 15:15
Trump is an absolute lunatic.
But so are the Islamists running Iran. The majority of Iranians would find Oz`s claims above about the current state of their country as hilarious, delusional and insulting.
Thankfully, neither the Cheeto nor the Mullahs have the majority support of their people. Neither will be willing to blink first as to do so would be a massive loss of face.
The sad reality is, however, that Western societies such as the US have room for discourse and critique of Government in a manner that Theocratic regimes do not.
The US will have quite diminished supplies, but the Iranian Theocratic regime would be absolutely foolish to think they can stand up to a proper US and Israeli onslaught. Even if you ended up with the Mullahs trying an Afghanistan/Taliban-esque approach in the aftermath, you'd end up with Iranians taking it upon themselves to deal with it.
The best outcome is a collapse of the Iranian Islamist regime followed by the impeachment, trial and imprisonment of said Cheeto. And his pal Bibi for that matter.
Post Edited (Tue 07 Apr 15:20)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 7 Apr 15:25
Its not a straightforward fight,The Yanks might have the Zionists guiding them but Iran are supported by the Chinese and Russians.
Post Edited (Tue 07 Apr 15:27)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 7 Apr 15:50
Just waiting on the “breaking news” alert when we wake up stating that Israel, with the US backing, has dropped 3-4 nukes on major Iranian cities and power infrastructure.
He wont do it himself, although theres every chance.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 7 Apr 17:18
Even Farage is saying Trump has gone too far now!
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 7 Apr 18:12
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 7 Apr 15:50
Just waiting on the “breaking news” alert when we wake up stating that Israel, with the US backing, has dropped 3-4 nukes on major Iranian cities and power infrastructure.
He wont do it himself, although theres every chance.
This was my thoughts as he is a lunatic, but is he that crazy?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 7 Apr 21:10
There`s no going to be any nukes dropped! The day after that happens then the Russians drop one on Ukraine. The Americans could blackout Iran with a a couple of dozen tomahawk strikes if they are so inclined.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 7 Apr 22:01
Vance is in Hungary to support Orban, who is an ally of Putin.
Wtf is this all about ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 7 Apr 23:52
Trump agrees to ceasefire with Iran
Donald Trump will “suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks” following conversations with Pakistani leaders.
In a post on Truth Social, Trump wrote that he had agreed to this “double sided CEASEFIRE” because the United States has “already met and exceeded all Military objectives, and are very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran, and PEACE in the Middle East.”
Trump said Pakistani prime minister Shehbaz Sharif and field marshal Asim Munir had brokered the agreement.
TACO?
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 8 Apr 09:07
As per usual Israel not accepting any peace, absolute cancer of a country.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Wed 08 Apr 11:45)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 8 Apr 09:08
Nice summing-up from the Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez -
`Ceasefires are always good news - especially if they lead to a just and lasting peace. But this momentary relief cannot make us forget the chaos, the destruction, and the lives lost.
The Spanish government will not applaud those who set the world on fire just because they show up with a bucket.
What’s needed now are diplomacy, international legality, and PEACE`.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 8 Apr 12:59
Drove past Prestwick airport on my way home from Ayr this morning and saw three very large military aircraft. Presumably part of the Orange Baboons USAF preparing for missions to bomb Iran….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 8 Apr 14:14
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 8 Apr 09:08
Nice summing-up from the Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez -
`Ceasefires are always good news - especially if they lead to a just and lasting peace. But this momentary relief cannot make us forget the chaos, the destruction, and the lives lost.
The Spanish government will not applaud those who set the world on fire just because they show up with a bucket.
What’s needed now are diplomacy, international legality, and PEACE`.
Well said, Pedro
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 8 Apr 19:13
Quote:
desparado, Wed 8 Apr 12:59
Drove past Prestwick airport on my way home from Ayr this morning and saw three very large military aircraft. Presumably part of the Orange Baboons USAF preparing for missions to bomb Iran….
Heading back home with their tails between their legs more like.
Not a single objective did the Yanks actually achieve for Israel.
Well done Iran for a well deserved victory.
Post Edited (Wed 08 Apr 19:14)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 8 Apr 19:41
This ceasefire wont last 2 weeks - be lucky if it lasts 2 days. Already reports of strikes in Southern Iran and other states, and Iran have stated that if Israel bomb Lebanon it’s a direct breach of the ceasefire.
Along with threatening to bomb any ships passing through the Strait without paying £2m per passage, it could get heated again quite quickly.
Trumps had an absolute mare with this whole debacle now too.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 8 Apr 20:00
Yeah by all accounts Iran have been bombing Qatari and Saudi energy infrastructure earlier today.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 8 Apr 20:39
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 8 Apr 20:00
Yeah by all accounts Iran have been bombing Qatari and Saudi energy infrastructure earlier today.
It`s more likely that the bombers today were the same country that murdered JFK, brought the Twin Towers down, and are bombing Lebanon 🇱🇧 right now.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 8 Apr 20:49
More anti semitic pihs being spouted. No doubt this will be another thread that just vanishes when it gets called out.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:00
Cut out that A-S nonsense, TOWK. People are sick and tired of seeing criticism of Israel being merged with A-S. It is the defence of someone who has a weak argument.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:10
So saying that Israel was behind the JFK assassination and 9/11 is legitimate criticism aye? Nah is anti semitism plain and simple and I`ll continue to call it out whenever it`s uttered. Loads of things you can criticise Israel for but when you delve into the well worn anti Semitic tropes of Jews being the shadowy figures behind world events then it`s being done with only one intent in mind.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:18
Nah. That doesn`t work anymore, mate. Go to bed. You are havering.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:35
Never bombed Saudi because of 9/11🤔
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 8 Apr 22:35
Whatever Oz. You`ve no comeback and now I know.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 8 Apr 23:07
And as expected the bloodthirsty genocidal Zionist maniacs break the ceasefire with 100 targets hit in Beruit. Hundreds of civilians dead or wounded. Scum.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 9 Apr 06:43
Quote:
OzPar, Wed 8 Apr 22:18
Nah. That doesn`t work anymore, mate. Go to bed. You are havering.
USS Liberty 1967 , Charlie Kirk and Epstein more dodgy incidents involving Israel.
But there`s always someone trying to put a lid on it to the Zionists defence...
Post Edited (Thu 09 Apr 10:44)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 9 Apr 11:34
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 8 Apr 22:10
So saying that Israel was behind the JFK assassination and 9/11 is legitimate criticism aye? Nah is anti semitism plain and simple and I`ll continue to call it out whenever it`s uttered. Loads of things you can criticise Israel for but when you delve into the well worn anti Semitic tropes of Jews being the shadowy figures behind world events then it`s being done with only one intent in mind.
anti-Semitism relates to Jews not Israel.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 9 Apr 11:55
Nope Jake, not in the context of saying that Israel, as a Jewish state, is behind a whole host of international events, from 9/11 to the assassination of a prominent podcaster (the shooter of whom is already been charged and awaiting trial). It`s a common and historic theme of anti semitism that Jews are the masterminds of a global conspiracy to manipulate global affairs and dominate societies from the shadows. It`s been on the go for decades but gained real traction 100 or so years ago with the publication of the debunked and fictional `The Protocols of the Elders of Zion` which sought to scapegoat Jews for all the ills in the world.
The UK government certainly defines what has been said in this thread as anti semitic. I`ll quote the government website.
"Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.
In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits."
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 9 Apr 12:16
You cant claim a claim about Israel, as a state, is anti semitism. That means any claim against the USA is anti Christian, or a claim against Iran is Islamaphobic.
Do you agree with Israel bombing Lebanon today TWOK?
Do you think that id a direct break in the ceasefire agreement?
Yes or no answers only please…..
Also, Trump has doubled down on his comments about NATO too. Can NATO just kick out the USA? 🤔
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 9 Apr 12:16
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LochgellyAlbert, Wed 8 Apr 22:35
Never bombed Saudi because of 9/11🤔
This is a very valid point LA - why did the US bomb Afghanistan, rather than Saudi, who funded Al-Qaeda?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 9 Apr 12:48
You absolutely can claim that an accusation against Israel is anti semitic when the claim against it is rooted and bathed in anti semitic tropes.
I don`t agree with Israeli bombing of Lebanon not do I or did I agree with the reckless and unwarranted destruction and death they rained down upon Gaza.
Well the US bombed Afghanistan because the organisation behind the September 11th attacks were based in Afghanistan. The ring leader of that group was Saudi as were many of the actual hijackers. So of course it makes perfect sense that Israel was behind the attack then yeah? Yes or no answer please to that please and also you think Israel was behind the JFK assassination? I`ll be honest that`s a new one for me but go on give your reasons. Charlie Kirk shooting? Even though the evidence seems pretty overwhelming who was behind it, nope, it must have been the only Jewish state in the world that was behind it along with all the other global events. You can absolutely criticise the actions and policies of Israel and its governments, I just have earlier in this post. What you can`t do is transpose commonly held sinister beliefs about Jews onto Israel (which is predominantly Jewish) accusing them of being behind tragedies sixty odd years ago, terrorist attacks twenty odd years ago and the actions of deranged guman not even a year ago.
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 9 Apr 16:17
Not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.
Which is why I`d suggest that it is antisemitic to claim that Israel represents all people who happen to have been born with Jewish heritage, or that criticism of Israel`s crimes (real or imagined) is also a slur against the great many Jewish folk who oppose the Zionist project.
This includes religious as well as secular Jews. Ultra-orthodox Jews for example have a very complex relationship with Zionism and the Israeli state.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 9 Apr 17:08
Wotsit I value your input into this because you`ve always come across as well informed on subjects of bigotry and discrimination and made me question my own views on occasion. I don`t quite understand your post (which is entirely down to my own failings). I`ll put a fair bit of stock into your opinion so just give it to me straight. Am I wrong in thinking that when someone, as the poster last night did, accuses Israel of being the malign force behind a number of world events over decades, some of them seismic, which had a ripple effect causing hundreds of thousands of casualties and untold misery and suffering, that is very much leaning into the trope of Jews being a shadowy cabal manipulating world affairs? I just don`t think that when you are using a false negative perception of Jews that has been cultivated and nurtured by some of the worse people in human history and turning it on Israel, which is a Jewish state, that it is nigh on impossible not to take that as being anti semitic.
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Thu 9 Apr 20:06
Your having a total mare towk if what anyone says here is remotely anti semitic in anyway do something about it like report it to the police if it bothers you so much but if you really want to keep playing the anti semitism card then don’t get upset any time someone accuses you of being Islamophobic when ever you say something bad about Iran
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 9 Apr 20:09
Aye, reading back, Tenruh`s post definitely crept into the antisemitic dogwhistle territory tbf.
Because it is one short post within a fairly long thread I think my brain chose to ignore the abhorration and move on.
I am definitely seeing antisemites using the justified criticism of Israel recently as an excuse to engage in their prejudice online, so fair play TOWK for challenging it here.
I think my point stands, but cannae deny that I picked a bad time to make it!
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 9 Apr 20:47
Back of the net. Don`t be ridiculous.
Wotsit,thanks for the reply and your honesty. It`s appreciated.
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 9 Apr 23:16
Looks like I`m going to need to tell my Jewish mate that him and his whole family are anti-semites according to Pars fans. This is going to be awkward 😂
Not all Israeli`s are evil bastards but they`re run by a bastard and seem to have a higher proportion of bastards than other nations in the world. Being an utter bastard isn`t unique to Israel though. Plenty of bam nations.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 9 Apr 23:59
Does your Jewish mate think Israel was behind the September 11th terrorist attacks Jake?
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Apr 09:23
Not that I`m aware, but he thinks Israel is a fairly evil state. He`s the second generation born in the UK.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 10 Apr 09:56
So Peston missed the big question to Starmer last night:-
So where are the fully laden American bombers taking off from the UK going?🤔
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 10 Apr 10:10
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 9 Apr 23:59
Does your Jewish mate think Israel was behind the September 11th terrorist attacks Jake?
So if you don’t believe that Israel was behind those attacks, but do believe the people in power in Israel and the ones who support them are evil, sick, monstrous b@stards, are you still an anti semite? 🤔
Post Edited (Fri 10 Apr 10:10)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 10 Apr 10:21
You can think Israel is an evil state without that being anti semitic as long as the reason for thinking that has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is a Jewish state. Being critical or even despising Israeli government action isn`t anti semitic. Let`s face it, it is probably in most cases the only valid response to how they are behaving. However claiming that Israel was behind X global event/tragedy when evidence has already largely established the facts is anti semitic. It taps into a false historic narrative that seeks to scapegoat Jews for manipulating world events for nefarious purposes. Exchanging Jew for Israel in this discourse is a subtle or sometimes not so subtle way of perpetuating this harmful prejudice and is almost always done with that purpose in mind. Hopefully I`ve explained it succinctly enough this time because I don`t think I`ve got the vocabulary or ability to do it any better.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Apr 11:50
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 10 Apr 10:21
You can think Israel is an evil state without that being anti semitic as long as the reason for thinking that has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is a Jewish state. Being critical or even despising Israeli government action isn`t anti semitic. Let`s face it, it is probably in most cases the only valid response to how they are behaving. However claiming that Israel was behind X global event/tragedy when evidence has already largely established the facts is anti semitic. It taps into a false historic narrative that seeks to scapegoat Jews for manipulating world events for nefarious purposes. Exchanging Jew for Israel in this discourse is a subtle or sometimes not so subtle way of perpetuating this harmful prejudice and is almost always done with that purpose in mind. Hopefully I`ve explained it succinctly enough this time because I don`t think I`ve got the vocabulary or ability to do it any better.
But Israel IS a Jewish state...and it IS evil. That doesn`t mean all Jews are evil, it means the state of Israel is.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 10 Apr 12:30
I give up Jake. Either purposefully or ignorantly you are ignoring my argument on how accusing Israel of being the mastermind behind historic tragedies is anti semitic.
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Apr 15:42
Because it`s not. If I accuse the UK of being war mongering in the past does that make me anti-Christian? There are Jews all across the world and it feels like the only person conflating Israel and Jews is you.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 10 Apr 16:12
Tenruh wasn`t accusing Israel of war mongering. Tenruh was accusing Israel of being behind 9/11, the JFK assassination and the shooting of Charlie Kirk. None of that has any factual basis, has no place in any evidence based discussion and IS anti semitic. If you`ve got a blind spot for that then that`s your look out. Don`t take my word for it though. Feel free to look it up using any online resources you want and pose the question, "is accusing Israel of being behind the 9/11, September 11th, twin towers attack anti semitic?"
You`ll be glad to know though that`s my final word on the topic.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 10 Apr 16:50
Religion is a complete pain in the bottom and causes so many problems.
It would appear that there are a higher percentage of Hindus in the Indian population than there are Jews in the Israeli population. Surprised me a bit (I didn`t think that the percentage in India was as high as it is).
Interesting that there appears to be a clear difference between between how Hindus/India and Jews/Israel are seen in the public discourse, on social media at least. While I don`t agree that everybody accused of conflating things here has done so, it does seem to be a common mistake.
My gran always told me "It`s nice to be nice." I think she called it right.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 10 Apr 17:41
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Fri 10 Apr 09:56
So Peston missed the big question to Starmer last night:-
So where are the fully laden American bombers taking off from the UK going?🤔
He would have trotted out the party line that they were on defensive missions as the PM announced as far back as March 1st the UK would allow US use of bases for “specific and limited defensive purposes”
Of course it’s pretty hard to say that a bomber can possibly be used ‘defensively’ but it absolutely would be spun that way.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 10 Apr 20:07
I think it’s fair to say that Netanyahu is a hateful figure and should spend the rest of his life in jail.
Why are the people of Israel not protesting at the war crimes this mad man committed in Gaza and now Lebanon ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Fri 10 Apr 20:08)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 10 Apr 20:24
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Fri 10 Apr 20:07
I think it’s fair to say that Netanyahu is a hateful figure and should spend the rest of his life in jail.
Why are the people of Israel not protesting at the war crimes this mad man committed in Gaza and now Lebanon ?
From what I can gather, they like him, and they think that the people of Palestine are less than human, are worthless, and deserve to die
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 10 Apr 20:54
Bigotry can come in many disguises.
TOWK is absolutely right here.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 12 Apr 00:37
Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 10 Apr 20:54
Bigotry can come in many disguises.
TOWK is absolutely right here.
And Genocide comes in only one and Israel is guilty of committing genocide. It’s not even up for debate. The U.K. has aided and abetted Israel in committing genocide. The argument regarding what is anti semitic or not pales into insignificance regarding the war crimes Israel has committed and still does.
The UN and the international community should hang their collective heads in shame for their failure to call it out. At least the Spanish PM has the b*lls to do so and tell the bloodthirsty murdering genocidal American and Israelis maniacs where to go….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 14 Apr 07:06
Genocide, illegal wars, Epstein, none of it matters, just hurty words.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Tue 14 Apr 09:22
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Dandy Warhol, Tue 14 Apr 07:06
Genocide, illegal wars, Epstein, none of it matters, just hurty words.
I`m quite appaled about what both the Quran and the Talmud say about rape, does that make me an antisemetic islamophobe?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 14 Apr 11:28
I wonder who you meant to sign in as under to reply to yourself?
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 14 Apr 11:29
Yeah he slipped up there Towk.
And although my eyes were open
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 14 Apr 11:39
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 14 Apr 11:28
I wonder who you meant to sign in as under to reply to yourself?
Rasta? 😉
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Tue 14 Apr 11:57
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 14 Apr 11:29
Yeah he slipped up there Towk.
Absolute patter 😂
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 14 Apr 18:55
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 14 Apr 11:28
I wonder who you meant to sign in as under to reply to yourself?
I got grok to examine writing styles, interactions, writing quirks, grammar, spelling time of posting etc. and who is the sock puppet of Dandy Warhol, keeping in mind views expressed by both account may be different to AstroTurf engagement.
Says "dandy warhol" is almost certainly also "desparado".
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