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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 31 Jul 09:36
Apparently 49,000 illegals have stormed the Spanish territory of Cueta in North Africa...just insanity and must have been terrifying for the residents.
Spain and Morocco have reportedly agreed to work together to return all of them and have returned about half so far.
Have to wonder if Spain brought this on themselves with the recent amnesty. And that must be electoral suicide for the incumbents now.
Reading as well that Poland have implemented a law where they can open fire on migrants attempting to breach the border. If this keeps up, then I honestly can`t see any other way forward...
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 31 Jul 10:53
Well one way forward would be not to open fire on unarmed people crossing a border surely?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 31 Jul 11:17
How else can they be stopped and deterred from trying to cross then?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 31 Jul 11:30
The BBC reported this a "hundreds entering" and left that as the headline for 15 hours.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 31 Jul 11:34
Technically, 49000 is hundreds isn`t it?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 31 Jul 11:44
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 31 Jul 11:34
Technically, 49000 is hundreds isn`t it?
Welsh choirboy stuff.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 31 Jul 12:34
I don`t know HJ. I do know that I can`t countenance mowing down crowds of people, possibly including women, children (not that shooting men in cold blood is any more palatable) to be the only option. I don`t condone illegal migrants crossing the channel in small boats but if the Royal Navy started blowing them out the water and leaving those that survive the maelstrom to drown I`d be taking to the streets in protest even though such an action could be classed as a deterrent. The Saudis cut off the hands of those caught stealing, a deterrent for sure but not something I want in this country either.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 31 Jul 13:23
That would be like the entire population of Perth or Kirkcaldy invading.
What I don`t understand is the point. Cueta is just an enclave. What`s the point of storming it?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 31 Jul 13:43
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 31 Jul 13:23
That would be like the entire population of Perth or Kirkcaldy invading.
What I don`t understand is the point. Cueta is just an enclave. What`s the point of storming it?
"Just an enclave" You mean just a normal part of Spain that just happens to be detached from the mainland?
They are storming it because it is an enclave.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 31 Jul 14:05
Spain has similar problems to the UK except they’re so much closer to the source of a lot of their illegal migration (Morocco) it’s compounded the problems.
Open-ish borders plus self imposed legal loopholes plus reliance on a neighbour.
Recipe for disaster. Even after their amnesty for migrants.
COYP
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 31 Jul 14:20
A similar problem to the one we have. Folk don`t comply with the law (noting the difference in this case if some clown has been encouraging that they would be accepted) and then the country impacted sticks with the law and struggles to get rid.
Good to see more of the Spanish army turning up today and tightening the border a little, but clearly too little and too late.
I don`t think shooting folk is the answer but if Morocco isn`t defending their side of the border (in the same way France wasn`t until we gave them a stack of cash) then I would like to see fines imposed on the country and some sort of IMF penalties applied).
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 31 Jul 14:50
TOWK - I do get where you`re coming from. Let`s say though that your home gets stormed by 50 migrants - do you stand your ground and defend your family? I certainly wouldn`t hesitate if my 6YO son was threatened by anyone.
Unfortunately, the current state of things and government mismanagement is gonna cause more of this and result in social unrest.
They`re storming Cueta so they can claim refuge inside the EU. Conveniently, they`ll do so with no documents or destroy their documents en route.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 31 Jul 15:39
I`m definitely not saying nothing should be done but if it has to be measured. Can physical force be used to stop people breaching a border? Of course but unless they themselves are using weaponary to do so I can`t believe any civilised nation would be opening fire on such groups. I`m having visions of the opening of Saving Private Ryan except Tom Hank is dressed in jeans and a knock off Real Madrid top and doesn`t have a garand mk1 over his shoulder.
Unfortunately as global warming ramps up and the Sahara encroaches further north and south more and more will make the journey into Europe.
Of course Spain has a particular image problem here. Just a couple of weeks ago Nico Williams set up the goal that won Spain the world cup. His parents made the journey to Spain from Ghana and claimed asylum saying they were from Liberia which was at the time embroiled in a civil war. That must be quite an inspiration, go to Spain and there`s always a chance you or your offspring could become national heroes.
Post Edited (Fri 31 Jul 15:42)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 31 Jul 16:05
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Bletchley_Par, Fri 31 Jul 13:43
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 31 Jul 13:23
That would be like the entire population of Perth or Kirkcaldy invading.
What I don`t understand is the point. Cueta is just an enclave. What`s the point of storming it?
"Just an enclave" You mean just a normal part of Spain that just happens to be detached from the mainland?
They are storming it because it is an enclave.
No, I mean "enclave" because that`s what it is 🤦♂️
Why storm that particular enclave? It may be "Spain" but you`re on the same continent. They`ve also invaded a tiny area that would never support an influx of that many people. From what`s being reported it sounds like most have already headed home. There`s also suggested the king released a load of prisoners to carry out this invasion.
Presumably there isn`t much of a police force for Cueta, but where are the Spanish army?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 31 Jul 16:22
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 31 Jul 16:05
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No, I mean "enclave" because that`s what it is 🤦♂️
Why storm that particular enclave? It may be "Spain" but you`re on the same continent. They`ve also invaded a tiny area that would never support an influx of that many people. From what`s being reported it sounds like most have already headed home. There`s also suggested the king released a load of prisoners to carry out this invasion.
Presumably there isn`t much of a police force for Cueta, but where are the Spanish army?
Why that enclave? why not?
No need to pay people smugglers or navigate the straights of Gib...just march down a beach, shimmy round the sea wall and you`re in Spain.
I`m sure the UK would have been their first choice, but they`ll get their house and benefits from Spain and that can be a jumping off point to anywhere in the EU.
Given the masses of people that have invaded, I don`t think that is how it`s going to work for them.
As we discussed in another thread they not sending their best, I`m sure the "prisoner release" has played a huge part in this.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 31 Jul 16:52
How up to 60k in 24 hours.
There are 74k in the British Army currently.
Staggering.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 31 Jul 17:51
Maybe if we stopped trying to bomb the life out of them they`d be happy where they were.
Its only ourselves to blame.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 31 Jul 18:15
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 31 Jul 17:51
Maybe if we stopped trying to bomb the life out of them they`d be happy where they were.
Its only ourselves to blame
Yes when "we" dropped a few bombs on Morocco at the end of WW2 to kick out the Nazis we were really setting ourselves up there.
"bomb the life out of them" dearie me.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 31 Jul 18:36
48 thousand are now back in Morocco.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Fri 31 Jul 19:26
I`ve maybe missed it in the news, but how exactly did the "storming" happen? Presumably 60k didn`t all just turn up coincidentally, so who orchestrated it?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 31 Jul 19:34
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Fri 31 Jul 16:22
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 31 Jul 16:05
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No, I mean "enclave" because that`s what it is 🤦♂️
Why storm that particular enclave? It may be "Spain" but you`re on the same continent. They`ve also invaded a tiny area that would never support an influx of that many people. From what`s being reported it sounds like most have already headed home. There`s also suggested the king released a load of prisoners to carry out this invasion.
Presumably there isn`t much of a police force for Cueta, but where are the Spanish army?
Why that enclave? why not?
No need to pay people smugglers or navigate the straights of Gib...just march down a beach, shimmy round the sea wall and you`re in Spain.
I`m sure the UK would have been their first choice, but they`ll get their house and benefits from Spain and that can be a jumping off point to anywhere in the EU.
Given the masses of people that have invaded, I don`t think that is how it`s going to work for them.
As we discussed in another thread they not sending their best, I`m sure the "prisoner release" has played a huge part in this.
But they won`t get anything from that part of Spain. Where would they be housed for a start? The vast majority have already buggered off.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 31 Jul 19:39
Having seen the scenes of absolute joy, elation, relief, from the people arriving in Ceuta, You`ve got to wonder what kind of place they are trying to get out of, and what they think they are coming to. I spent a bit of time in Ceuta about 20 odd years ago doing a bit of import/ export work and it wasn`t exactly the sort of place you would want to hang about, let me tell you
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Fri 31 Jul 19:42
This is why it started
“The influx comes after Spain`s Supreme Court ruled that migrants stopped at sea while trying to reach Ceuta or Melilla, another Spanish enclave, cannot be summarily returned to Morocco.”
48 people have also died en route to Ceuta in the last 24 hrs.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 31 Jul 19:45
Why would they invade Spain it’s not like they’re invading Spain… they think once they’re in, they’ll be able to disappear.
Some of the footage is terrible. Breaking into women’s houses. Raiding shops. Beating folk up in the streets.
I don’t believe killing people at the border is the right thing to do either but having said that, Poland doesn’t have an illegal migrant problem. I know that a migrant killed a border guard (or something I can’t fully remember the story) and that’s what brought on them having such a strong stance but it… works for them.
Again I don’t think we should be killing folk at borders or drowning them at sea. I’m merely pointing out an extremely strong stance is a deterrent especially when countries roundabout will willingly accept the dregs from Africa, Arabia and Asia.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 31 Jul 19:49
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red-star-par, Fri 31 Jul 19:39
Having seen the scenes of absolute joy, elation, relief, from the people arriving in Ceuta, You`ve got to wonder what kind of place they are trying to get out of, and what they think they are coming to. I spent a bit of time in Ceuta about 20 odd years ago doing a bit of import/ export work and it wasn`t exactly the sort of place you would want to hang about, let me tell you
Aye I seen they were that relieved the first thing they done was launch bricks at the police
COYP
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 31 Jul 20:06
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 31 Jul 19:34
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But they won`t get anything from that part of Spain. Where would they be housed for a start? The vast majority have already buggered off.
Yes, I said it was not going to work out for them due to the numbers.
If it wasn`t for the other 48,988, the first dozen probably would have had a decent chance of eventually getting to mainland Spain, then anywhere in the EU or one of it`s satellite nations.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 31 Jul 23:51
Videos of authorities literally driving lorries full of them to the coast. This is obviously as a result of Spain`s recent policy change but also Zionist influences. Spain have been very against Israel and Morocco is very pro-zionist.
It`s a clear attempt to destabilise the West.
Moroccan King just named a street after Donald and just secured diplomatic ties with Israel just before this...
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